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241  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Madeira adopting bitcoin as legal tender on: April 07, 2022, 03:23:55 PM
The president of Madeira (an autonomous region in Portugal) just announced adopting bitcoin as a legal tender. Some stats about the country:

Quote from: Google
Area: 801 km²
Elevation: 1,862 m
Population: 253,945 (2019)
GDP: ~4.5$ GDP

The announcement was made at the Bitcoin conference a few minutes ago. What are your thoughts?

It is a small region, but every new usage opportunity is a positive.   I see you updated with the Honduras stuff, and that is good too. 

It is good to see it in various countries because then you can have competition for freedom within countries, not just between countries.
242  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Refreshed Coinbase Card on: April 07, 2022, 02:27:52 PM
It is a debit card which is one issue given the lesser fraud protections for debit vs credit cards.  That said, at 4%, that is a good reward particularly if there are no limits, it would be nice if there was a way to instantly, automatically exchange it into bitcoin or cash.  One would also have to keep a balance there to draw against.  I also think that it might complicate one's taxes doing this unless one could automatically sell whatever the 4% reward is instantly so that there was no capital gain or loss which could take the reward down.

It might be useful for very large payments though.  You'd deposit the $X into coinbase, make the payment, take the crypto and transfer it to cash or bitcoin.  The difference between the 4% and 2.62% would add up.

Edit:
Looking at it, it says that the max Point of Sale is $2500 for PIN and signature for a total of $5000 every 24 hours which isn't all that useful.  And there is a 2.49% conversion fee per transaction if you are drawing on something other than a USD coin.   With limits like that and fees like that if you aren't in USD, it isn't all that useful.  The low limits is the big issue though.

243  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if Bitcoin Fails ? on: April 07, 2022, 02:18:35 PM
In short, if bitcoin fails, liberty fails because you will have nowhere in the world to protect yourself from the authoritarians who continually want to control everyone and everything around the world.  It has been the same battle for millennia:  some people want to be free, some people want to control. 
244  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-03-28] Grayscale Threatens Legal Action if SEC Rejects Bitcoin ETF bid on: April 07, 2022, 02:16:03 PM
As their attorney [not that I am of course lol], I would say that seems very subjective and consequently arbitrary.

Indeed, it's subjective. Whether a market is mature or not cannot be properly quantified. However, I find that it's pretty much a requirement, else, as @bbc.reporter correctly noted, market manipulation would cause a lot of drama (and maybe lawsuits too). But is Forex or stock market really-really mature and with no manipulations? Prove it! Grin Grin

And that's why my point was that the only ones with actual gains will be the lawyers with fat paychecks.

I'd also argue that having an ETF (or more than 1) would help stabilize the prices because the volume could increase significantly.

This is imho wishful thinking. If there are no sellers, the volumes cannot rise. Even more, if the volumes will be correctly reported, they may go even lower.
Also keep in mind that (afaik) there are 2 kinds of ETFs and only one is backed with actual BTC reserve, hence with correct effect on the market. And by correct I mean that some will try to manipulate the bitcoin market so they can earn more on the financial one.
Market stabilization may be achieved if more institutions will invest and the price will be even higher. But I cannot be that sure.

I would also make the argument to the Biden administration (Ditto Obama and Trump before): does the US want to be at the forefront of crypto or lagging?  Does the US want to be taking the same side as authoritarians the world over or supporting people who want the freedom to make their own decisions?  (That wouldn't help with this admin).

I don't feel US far behind, with or without the ETF. This was a good argument before Michael Saylor and Co...

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Yes, I've plaid devil's advocate here. I am not against ETF, but imho one can build a good case whether is pro or against it.


I agree, I don't think that the US is far behind now, not really at all.  And the number of companies and people involved has only grown so the more that happens the more difficult it would be to "make bitcoin illegal" like people have claimed about various places over the years.  I just like competition because everyone benefits.

As far as the ETFs go, yes, I meant a "physical" backed ETF vs a futures backed one.  The futures one is better than nothing, but not much given the costs etc.  If you have a net positive demand $X/day from a "physical" ETF, then that will help demand at whatever exchange(s) are being used to fulfill the ETF orders and then at least in theory there will be market arbitrage to equalize prices everywhere.  Obviously it is all theoretical, but in general if you have positive demand from the ETF, it should increase the fiat price over time.

And devil's advocacy is a good thing because it helps to clarify points.


:-)
245  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-03-30] Apple is rumored to announce support for Bitcoin payments on: April 07, 2022, 02:10:19 PM
I hate to say it, but I will only believe it when I see it.  There have been so many rumors over the years that it seems unlikely.  Certainly it would be nice given the uptake on Apple Cash/Apple Pay, but I won't believe it until it comes true.

An ETF approval, more uptake of things like Taro to increase usage and stuff like that are important too.
246  Other / Meta / Re: IQ testing now required before posting on: April 01, 2022, 04:31:07 PM
Ha, If you refresh the post before you post it, you get a new question, lol. Am I cheating?
I'm having fun with every post then edit it as it poses a new question too. I'll know when my answer is wrong/correct if my IQ is lessen/increases, though it's tough to know the real answer if it's wrong. This one I'll edit it for the first 5 minutes to put my IQ into test. I'm making the most of it since tomorrow this will be taken down once again. Good thing to test our knowledge.

note: I don't use google as well.

I edited one post and it didn't ask me to answer a new question.

Of course this one:
"Which list contains the names of the Bennet sisters, depicted by Jane Austin in Pride and Prejudice?"

Jane AustIn didn't write Pride and Prejudge.  Jane Austen did.  E, not I.  So none of the answers are correct since Jane AustIn wrote nothing.

Even the answers offered - Jane, Elizabeth, Mary, Catherine/Kitty, and Lydia  -are INcorrect answers.  But the only one close says "Elisabeth" - S not Z - so not even the answers are correct.

Perhaps the AI IQ is the one who needs a downgrade.

uberspot/OpenTrivia is not a reputable source.
247  Other / Meta / Re: IQ testing now required before posting on: April 01, 2022, 04:26:07 PM
10 wrong answers didn't budge. I believe I have found the floor. You're welcome.

If you don't post, do you get a zero?
248  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-03-28] Grayscale Threatens Legal Action if SEC Rejects Bitcoin ETF bid on: April 01, 2022, 04:18:52 PM
They could certainly argue it is arbitrary and capricious and certainly if the SEC didn't have a valid reason a court could impose a remedy.  Given the political nature of the left-leaning judges, much would depend on the judge that hears the case initially and then which group of circuit court judges hears the appeal, unless it was en banc.

Iirc SEC has already rejected ETFs for the reason that Bitcoin market is not mature enough, telling that the price fluctuates too much and the exchanges are showing overly inflated fake volumes.
And while I don't like to hear it, they're right about that. On the other hand, is that a good enough reason for rejecting the ETF? That may be a lottery game with the only winners being the lawyers paid big for the lawsuit.


That is what they are saying, true.   Thinking as their law firm, my argument would go something like this:  Is the market mature enough?  As their attorney [not that I am of course lol], I would say that seems very subjective and consequently arbitrary.   Fake volumes, sure on some, but I don't think that is the case with ones like Coinbase.  I could be wrong, but I'd make that argument that, sure, some exchanges are showing fake/inflated volumes, but there are stock exchanges doing the same and "we wouldn't be using anything but reputable exchanges such as X,Y, and Z."  Likewise, regarding fluctuation, I'd make the argument that if you look at many futures or options markets, they are much more volatile than bitcoin given the amount of leverage involved.

I'd also argue that having an ETF (or more than 1) would help stabilize the prices because the volume could increase significantly.  The ETFs would wag the exchange price vs the exchange price wagging the ETF.

I would also make the argument to the Biden administration (Ditto Obama and Trump before): does the US want to be at the forefront of crypto or lagging?  Does the US want to be taking the same side as authoritarians the world over or supporting people who want the freedom to make their own decisions?  (That wouldn't help with this admin).  It is like online gaming today.  The US had the opportunity to embrace it and be involved instead of driving it overseas and offshore.  e.g. casino.com and gamble.com could have US based casinos on them or something vs whatever is on there now.

In a free country, one should not have to ask for permission to do everything or even most things. 

:-)
249  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-03-28] Grayscale Threatens Legal Action if SEC Rejects Bitcoin ETF bid on: March 31, 2022, 11:04:32 PM
Grayscale is not ruling out seeking legal action against the Securities and Exchange Commission if the agency continues to prohibit the launch of a spot cryptocurrency ETF, CEO Michael Sonnenshein said.

While it sounds interesting (and maybe intriguing), it means nothing.
You know, "verba volant"; it's just words. It can be seen as a "political" declaration. I read it like: if SEC denies the ETF, Grayscale may or may not fill legal action Cheesy

However, it can indicate a certain amount of the pressure (which SEC may or may not take into account).
Just until July (did I understand right, is it so late?) everybody would have forgotten these declarations.

I am also skeptical like you, unless Grayscale's lawyers found something under the rules that they might use to force an approval of the conversion. However, yes, this might only be a desperation effort for public support. Let us wait for July 6 if the decision will cause a pump or a dump hehehehehe. We cannot be certain what the market might be on July, however. The market does not pump 100% of the time on good news.

They could certainly argue it is arbitrary and capricious and certainly if the SEC didn't have a valid reason a court could impose a remedy.  Given the political nature of the left-leaning judges, much would depend on the judge that hears the case initially and then which group of circuit court judges hears the appeal, unless it was en banc.
250  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-03-28] Grayscale Threatens Legal Action if SEC Rejects Bitcoin ETF bid on: March 30, 2022, 07:11:08 PM
Grayscale is not ruling out seeking legal action against the Securities and Exchange Commission if the agency continues to prohibit the launch of a spot cryptocurrency ETF, CEO Michael Sonnenshein said.

While it sounds interesting (and maybe intriguing), it means nothing.
You know, "verba volant"; it's just words. It can be seen as a "political" declaration. I read it like: if SEC denies the ETF, Grayscale may or may not fill legal action Cheesy

However, it can indicate a certain amount of the pressure (which SEC may or may not take into account).
Just until July (did I understand right, is it so late?) everybody would have forgotten these declarations.

I think you are right.  It does put some political pressure on them and could (I don't know the odds) have some chance of success if the SEC were to be found to be acting arbitrarily for example.  The administrative state structure is an issue for just this reason - you don't have elected people making the decisions, you have unelected bureaucrats making a decision without much in the way of checks and balances except via the courts.
251  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-03-11]The legendary investor spoke about the future of bitcoin on: March 28, 2022, 10:03:25 PM
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"Now, the co-founder of the Quantum Fund and Soros Fund Management, Jim Rogers, has warned "what is happening with the U.S. dollar now is the end of the U.S. dollar"—but cautioning governments likely won't allow bitcoin to be used as an alternative."


First, one questions his judgment given Soros is involved.  Something like bitcoin would undermine Soros' entire gameplay since it would allow individual people to protect themselves from what he and his ilk want:  control over everyone and everything.  Is he truly giving his opinion or giving their hope?

Also, George Soros is a bear. He almost broke the Bank of England, the Bank of Thailand, the yen and other currencies in the foreign exchanges. There were many larpers who cheered when Soros was speculated to be investing in bitcoin without research on his track record for shorting forex hehehe. If the community hates Elon Musk, I am quite certain they will also hate George Soros hehe.

To me he seems more of just a vulture feeding on whatever he can gorge upon vs a bear.  You are right though, he does often take a negative view of things.  Particularly things that he (and his minions) can't control.  They don't like things that give regular people the freedom to resist statism.
252  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-02-26] Putin’s attack triples Ukrainian crypto exchange’s trading volume on: March 28, 2022, 10:01:00 PM
I am somewhat surprised it is so little.  Of course the time to protect oneself and one's assets is well before something like an invasion or takeover by some authoritarian scoundrels, but even now a month ago it wasn't too late to protect oneself in Ukraine.  Really though, why aren't more people thinking about it?  Perhaps they are just trying to survive.
253  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Hoard Bitcoin? on: March 18, 2022, 01:44:14 PM
Using the word "Hoard" tells a lot about your mindset.  Saving is a good thing.  Investing is a good thing.  Protecting yourself from crazy leaders around the world who don't like people being free to use their money as they see fit is a good thing.  And no one knows what "bitcoiners do" - you are merely speculating.

Money is useful however each person wants to use it.  That's the nature of a free ecosystem like bitcoin:  A may not like what B is doing and B may not like what A is doing but it isn't A's business or B's business what someone else does.  They each are free to use it as they see fit.


If Bitcoin is a better and higher currency than fiat, why then do bitcoiners hurdle it?
I think money is best used for buying and selling not hoarding, we get to see the value more when using it.
This my thoughts, wby?

254  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-03-11]The legendary investor spoke about the future of bitcoin on: March 18, 2022, 01:37:57 PM
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"Now, the co-founder of the Quantum Fund and Soros Fund Management, Jim Rogers, has warned "what is happening with the U.S. dollar now is the end of the U.S. dollar"—but cautioning governments likely won't allow bitcoin to be used as an alternative."


First, one questions his judgment given Soros is involved.  Something like bitcoin would undermine Soros' entire gameplay since it would allow individual people to protect themselves from what he and his ilk want:  control over everyone and everything.  Is he truly giving his opinion or giving their hope?

Second, he may be right about the damage to the US dollar between the stuff with SWIFT, petrodollars, China and Russia.  The dollar has been in decline since the Fed came into existence and even more so since the 1930s when FDR (socialist democrat) confiscated gold and undermined the sanctity of the gold backed dollar.  This has been a long term destruction of wealth and property that was supposedly inviolate in the US as founded.

Third, as far as bitcoin goes, government may not "allow it" but given that it is permissionless, that that may just encourage people to get into it while they can and remain in it.

For example:  if the authoritarian players can cut Trump off from Twitter, FB and, most importantly, various payment systems, they can cut anyone off.  When a billionaire, President isn't safe from the tech fascists, no one is.   Just ask the people of Canada, Russia, China, etc.  

People who are being cut off will just not cash out of bitcoin and trade within it.  This is yet another reason privacy upgrades are critical.  Anyone world wide should be paying attention:  do you want thugs like Trudeau to shut down your bank account?  Biden on Russians?  Putin on Westerners?  Chinese on Taiwan?  Cuba, Venezuela, NK?  You name it everyone worldwide is at risk and a safe way to protect yourself is via crypto.
255  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cryptocurrency will not save Russia from sanctions on: March 03, 2022, 06:02:05 PM
Crypto may not save Russia from sanctions, but it can save people in Russia, Ukraine, or Taiwan, or places anywhere near those places from losing money.  You can leave anywhere with your bitcoin.  Trying leaving, say, Hong Kong with a few ounces of gold.  Think about the rules for gold in India too. 

So I'd say crypto may or may not help the governments in these places, but it can definitely help people who are paying attention.  Of course this goes for everyone around the world.  A large majority of politicians are power-hungry crooks who are willing to sacrifice their people and liberty for money.


Considering the numerous restrictions on the Russian Government they are still strict measures on every transaction that is displayed on the Blockchain. Any huge amount of money moved into a wallet will be flagged and checked if it's headed to the Russian Government. And it'll be difficult for Russian Government to convert a huge Bitcoin into Fiat as well. Do you think they can get around the corner and still escape the numerous financial restriction on their country through Bitcoin or altcoin

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/3/1/crypto-will-not-save-russia-from
256  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: World War III & Bitcoin on: February 25, 2022, 02:28:35 AM
Will the US and Russia start World War III?
This sounds more like a joke than a question Grin
Last war United States won, or was part of the winning side, has been World War II that ended in 1945 (77 years ago). Ever since then US has not faced any actual military force and any other smaller conflict with armed groups US faced they lost miserably. The latest being the war against Taliban that ended with a great escape and a donation of $100 billion worth of weapons and military equipment to Taliban to buy safe passage out of Afghanistan.
Going to war with an actual adversary will not only destroy US military but also US and EU economy. That's why it is never going to happen.

I keep repeating this in all similar topics but this is not the first time Russia has taken part of Ukraine. Google Crimea and 2014 and see how people were asking the same question back then and how nobody could do anything about it. It won't be any different this time either.


What happens to bitcoin is unpredictable. Bitcoin is a great way to store value and is a replacement for traditional impossible to carry ways such as gold. It is not unreasonable to think people would largely start selling everything they have and start buying bitcoin to escape the crashing economy.

I very much agree. America, Europe and all countries under NATO will never dare touch this issue in Ukraine. This might force them into a very costly war and we can be quite certain they do not want this. However, there might be a wildcard hehehe, China. Might the western allies’ avoidance of war vs. Russia encourage China to invade Taiwan? I speculate the western allies might not have a choice. If they send their military in Ukraine, China might join the war and invade Taiwan. If they do nothing, this might encourage China and invaide Taiwan.

Yes.  Russia has Europe and much of the world at their mercy with the pipelines - note how they weren't targeted by sanctions etc. particularly now that the US has shut down so much energy production and in 13 months became a net importer vs exporter. It plays right into Putin's hand. China has the world over a barrel with chips and other manufacturing.  With a Taiwan invasion they have TSMC etc and can say "no chips for you" if you don't play along. With little chip manufacturing in the US (Intel is promising more) how long could the world survive?

257  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: World War III & Bitcoin on: February 25, 2022, 01:31:00 AM
War between russia and ukraine has a great impact on the price of bitcoin. Crypto currency is a international market. So, when wars start first the stock market goes down. Peoples sell off their stocks. And that's a reason bitcoin price fell down in last few days. Now price of bitcoin is near 35000$. Many analyst says that price of bitcoin will fall more if war will not stop. I pray that war between russia and ukraine will stop.

And this is why analysts should be ignored.  They know no more than anyone else.

Nothing has changed in Ukraine except perhaps it will be completely conquered by this weekend and yet bitcoin is ~38800 right now and the war definitely did not stop.

The people of Taiwan should be watching this and moving assets out of there or at worst buying bitcoin so that they will have a backup plan if they are next. Both China and Russia know the US (even with the rest of the world along for the ride) cannot handle two large scale conflicts at once and with a blithering idiot like the current president in charge it makes it even more unlikely the US would be able to do so.  Weakness begets war as today illustrated again.

I hope the war stops and the people of Ukraine become free to make their own decisions but that seems unlikely.
258  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-01-27] Bill might give Yellen unilateral power to ban BTC and crypto on: February 22, 2022, 06:13:24 PM
@o_e_l_e_o. It appears you are not considering human predisposition for wanting shiny things hehehe. The forked project will be stealing all the ideas of the original and will also incentivize their users by issuing a token and make them something similar to being shareholders of a company. What will the people choose, the original with no token or the fork with a token? If some people have not noticed this in all their years in the cryptospace then they might have not been very observant.

Do you reckon that there will be a community of people who will be interested in bank settlements if Ripple did not issue XRP?

In any case, on this topic. Putin, Xi and Kim Jong Un hehehe.



That is a great montage.  I didn't see this until after my reply in the other thread, but you hit the nail on the head.  They cut off people's money and ability to work and they control the population.  It is initially more subtle than tanks and guns, but it is quite effective.
259  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-01-29] Biden Admin To Regulate Bitcoin As A Matter Of National Security on: February 22, 2022, 06:08:56 PM
I also find it interesting what Canada did seizing assets from centralized entities - bitcoin, Canadian dollars etc.   If anyone anywhere in the world is relying on a centralized exchange/other entity to protect them from the police power of the government they are in for a rude wakeup call eventually.  If you have bitcoin at a centralized entity for anything other than trading, you should rethink that position.

Authoritarians like Trudeau want power and are willing to do whatever they can to get it.  There are people like that involved in the governments the world over.  Bitcoin, when you hold your own keys, helps prevent these evil people from controlling everyone else. 



News update.

The skeptical me thinks that this executive order might really be the Biden administration’s way to quicken the implementation and release of the American government’s CBDC. What they will certainly also do is create an envronment where it would be very hard to use bitcoin and other cryptocoins legally and begin promoting CBDC. It might be by 2024, America might make the first CBDC issuance.



U.S. President Joe Biden is expected to issue an executive order on cryptocurrency this week, an administration official familiar with the matter reportedly told Yahoo Finance. The news of the Biden administration preparing an executive order on crypto was first reported in January.

The executive order will direct a wide range of government agencies to study cryptocurrency and central bank digital currency (CBDC), and come up with a government-wide strategy to regulate crypto assets, the publication conveyed.


Source https://news.bitcoin.com/us-president-biden-issue-executive-order-on-crypto/
260  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-01-26] Europol report on cryptocurrencies on: February 09, 2022, 06:38:36 PM
Finally the "crypto is used only for fraud" narrative will now fall once for all. Most of the people I argue with about the usefulness of cryptocurrencies are playing the "fraud" card, because that's what the normal people here on the news about crypto the last 10 years. It's the "hackers money".
And the most pity part is that the bitcoin is easier to trace then some fiat.
Hope this will end soon.

Once that runs out, it will need to be controlled "to protect the children".  Or bitcoin might be racist or sexist.  Or transphobic.  Or perhaps they'll go back to the "fund terrorism" stuff.  They try to recycle this stuff to try and control and divide people.  Since they don't have a rational argument that can withstand debate, the standard canards are rolled out.

Just look at the Biden admin today in their terror threat statement arguing that speech is terrorism:

SUMMARY OF THE TERRORISM THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES: The United States remains in a heightened threat environment fueled by several factors, including an online environment filled with false or misleading narratives and conspiracy theories... These threat actors seek to exacerbate societal friction to sow discord and undermine public trust in government institutions to encourage unrest, which could potentially inspire acts of violence. [emphasis added]...
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