You might be interested in the 50 BTC reward offered in this post:
That is not the same thing. That is reversing a specific key. This is about the birthday problem where there is a collision and you can't choose the specific address in advance or the statistics are vastly different. |
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Wouldn't one of those hardware random number generators solve this? Could something like http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ be incorporated into a wallet system. |
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whitelist request for: MillyBitcoin
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I don't follow your argument that the forum should have to repay the victims of BFL's fraud. The forum was not a party to any of the sales of miners nor did it have anything to do with any decision making at BFL. There is a disclosure under the ads under the first post of every thread that says the companies are not endorsed by the forum.
I would personally doubt that anyone at TBF was conspiring with anyone at BFL. They would have little way to get any information that was not already public as they are not a regulator.
it was obvious to anyone who followed this matter that the forum admins knew about what BFL was doing. The so-called "disclosure" was put in later after many, many complaints and such a disclosure is meaningless anyway. It is laughable that someone would think such a disclosure would release them from liability and it is a common practice among scammers. You can look on Craigslist and see the prostitutes put all kinds of "disclosures" and "waivers." Do you think they won't get arrested because of the "disclosures"? Those disclosures would more likely be used to show the forum knew what was going on. The posts selling the BFL ads and the complaints were all publically posted so there is not much trouble to link this site to the losses. Even if the FTC does not do it I would advise anyone who experienced losses to talk to a lawyer about suing this forum. In my State, NJ, the consumer protection would allow suing for 3 times the losses if the case would fall under the consumer protection law and if the forum is liable. This was so wildly known with hundreds of threads, videos, etc. there is simply no argument that Bitcoin experts didn't know. As for the posts about taxes there is not much there except a vague posting about filing taxes. There is not even a business name or the jurisdiction where it was filed. I don't think someone who ran BFL ads is credible and I would not believe it without seeing those things. |
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This is a routine action by the FTC for "mail/online order company took money and didn't deliver". It has nothing to do with Bitcoin. The FTC does this regularly to sleazy mail and online order companies, which is why, when you order stuff online, it almost always shows up, even from little businesses with no reputation.
It has a lot to do with Bitcoin from the perspective of a regulator. BFL was advertised heavily and promoted on this forum and the advertising income was most likely never reported, at one point the Bitcoin Foundation (Gavin) said he believe the problems with BFL were just technical issues (I almost ordered when he said that in early 2013), and it appears BFL operates Bitcoinmining.com and made that video which is linked from bitcoin.org. I would say that Gavin likely did not know the extent that BFL was mining pre-ordered devices, as it was reported by BFL they were having technical issues developing the machines when in reality they were making a lot of money from the machines being built. AFAIK theymos files taxes on behalf of the forum and I would assume he would pay taxes on behalf of the forum for any ad revenue received It is hard to say who knew what at the Foundation but it is their job to know as they say their mission is to promote Bitcoin. They received numerous complaints that is for sure. As for the money collected by the forum for the ads hopefully some of those funds can be recovered and used to repay some of the victims. I have seen all kinds of discussion about collecting revenue from ads but I have never seen any discussion of cashing in those Bitcoins to pay the taxes. Someone has to pay those agencies that are shutting down BFL so the people who run the forum should pay their fair share instead of pushing the costs off on others. |
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This is a routine action by the FTC for "mail/online order company took money and didn't deliver". It has nothing to do with Bitcoin. The FTC does this regularly to sleazy mail and online order companies, which is why, when you order stuff online, it almost always shows up, even from little businesses with no reputation.
It has a lot to do with Bitcoin from the perspective of a regulator. BFL was advertised heavily and promoted on this forum and the advertising income was most likely never reported, at one point the Bitcoin Foundation (Gavin) said he believe the problems with BFL were just technical issues (I almost ordered when he said that in early 2013), and it appears BFL operates Bitcoinmining.com and made that video which is linked from bitcoin.org. |
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Looks like the FTC filed a civil suit and they did a liaison with Kansas to send in agents.
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You have all these complaints from Bitcoin users so expect more BitLicense-type proposals.
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spammers.us domain name. This domain expires soon so make an offer for a quick sale.
must be transferred out to a registrar you choose at your expense, cannot be pushed.
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Like I said in another thread. I believe "something" happened. Did they get raided, took all their computers, etc? no. but something definitely happened, like the FTC came in with a warrant and searched for whatever they are looking for to build their case. I believe BFL is business as usual. But that will probably change when they start issuing summons..
If nothing happened. Josh, inababa, whatever, or the other bfl trolls would be here saying that we are full of shit.. Thats not happening, thats why I think something happened, just not as bad as the first report made it seem.
I don't believe the FTC has any agents. They are a bunch of lawyers enforcing "unfair trade practices" and they normally go to court and get injunctions, orders, and fines. Their actions are listed at http://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings. I believe if there is criminal conduct that need agents they refer it to other agencies to take criminal enforcement. I found it, the FTC criminal liaison unit works with other agencies if agents are needed: http://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/criminal-liaison-unitAll federal agencies have "agents" that have the authority to arrest (when legal to do so). No, all agencies do not have armed agents. Here is the list that do: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fleo08.pdf |
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Like I said in another thread. I believe "something" happened. Did they get raided, took all their computers, etc? no. but something definitely happened, like the FTC came in with a warrant and searched for whatever they are looking for to build their case. I believe BFL is business as usual. But that will probably change when they start issuing summons..
If nothing happened. Josh, inababa, whatever, or the other bfl trolls would be here saying that we are full of shit.. Thats not happening, thats why I think something happened, just not as bad as the first report made it seem.
I don't believe the FTC has any agents. They are a bunch of lawyers enforcing "unfair trade practices" and they normally go to court and get injunctions, orders, and fines. Their actions are listed at http://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings. I believe if there is criminal conduct that need agents they refer it to other agencies to take criminal enforcement. I found it, the FTC criminal liaison unit works with other agencies if agents are needed: http://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/criminal-liaison-unit |
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Bitcoin should NOT be trademarked, especially by f*cking mt. gox. The government should revoke this trademark, no one should own the word.
i dont even get it; how could mt.gox own part of something that is created to be open to everyone? maybe its not the word "bitcoin", maybe they own sertain bitcoin logo or something.. anyways, they are bust, so i doubt they can sell it on their own anyways. Because they did it early on and the trademark examiner probably had no idea and nobody challenged it. It is already an issue because the trademark was registered by the ICANN domain name clearinghouse so the owner, Tibanne, is enforcing the TM. It could probably be challenged at this point but who would put the money up? You would need TM attorneys in the countries where it is regged which I believe is EU and Japan. They would want a large deposit because if Tibanne challenges it you are talking litigation expenses which can be expensive. I know the Foundation has looked into this but I don't know if they did anything or plan to do anything. Mt. Gox was their Board member at the time so suing a member also has issues. |
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those thinking that i treat satoshi like a messiah are wrong. the reason i say what i say is that i have read satoshi's posts, IRC logs emails etc. so i understand what he wanted. yet all you can quote is the genesis block, as if thats the only thing he wrote.
it might be worth you researching more to realise that satoshi didnt just think of it as a meaningless experiment, or something he didnt want to succeed. my mindset is in the "satoshi=smart developer" not "satoshi=god". and although i call him a smart developer i know his unix skills lacked a bit. but that didnt stop him having a smart idea.
might be worth some of you reading the research and double checking it. rather than believing the summarized plot lines.
I am talking about the arguments presented here when people start saying "Satoshi meant ..." The fact is it does not matter what Satoshi wanted, said, or did at this point. It is an open source software program for which he has no control. The only thing that matters is what he will do with his coins and there is no basis for the conjecture that he will never spend the coins. In fact I believe he said you should never destroy a private key. Everyone should plan for Satoshi using his coins at some point. As pointed out, if his intention was to destroy the coins he probably would have done so by now to remove this risk. Someone who spends their time endlessly analyzing Satoshi chats and IRC logs, etc. is like sitting around analyzing the Dead Sea Scrolls. Unless it is some technical issue that you are trying to explain it serves no purpose except to turn Bitcoin into some kind of religion. |
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guys.. you do realise why satoshi made bitcoin right?? to get away from FIAT.
No, I don't realize why he invented Bitcoin and neither do you. I suspect he had no idea it would become this valuable and to talk like he had everything planned out from the start seems pretty unlikely to me. Bitcoin is not a religion that was planned out by the messiah, it was some computer science people who put together a concept. I know, I know, he put some message in the Genesis Block and that proves it was some kind of long complicated theory to replace the entire world financial system. There are several people on this forum (franky being one of them) that seem to treat bitcoin as a religion and satashi as a messiah (many of them crazy). I would speculate that this was at least part of the reason why satashi "left". I also agree that satashi likely did not know that bitcoin would become as successful as it has become to date. I know that he had said that bitcoin will either have a lot of transactions in 20 year or very few, but he likely did not imaging it having this large of a market cap Yes, I noticed this after just a few weeks of being involved in Bitcoin. Especially some of the people associated with the Foundation. In March of 2013 I complained to them that they chased Satoshi away and I predicted that within 18 months all the current businesses associated with the Foundation (Mt. Gox, Bitinstant, Coinlab etc.) would all be gone. I wish the current Foundation would just dissolve so some new organization can form which is not saddled with the history of the current Foundation. Just this week the crazy Roger Ver Bounty hunters vid. I mean, c'mon. This is lunatic fringe kind of stuff and it drives people away from Bitcoin. And Ver says if I don't think his project is good then I don't understand what Bitcoin is. Sure. What you have is a bunch of nut cases who attach themselves to Bitcoin and try to say anyone who uses Bitcoin agrees with them. I am all for limited government and freedom and I work with the NJ Libertarian party on their Open Government project and I have even funded some law suits against local governments. But some of these Bitcoiners are just from outer space when they start discussing this issue. To get an idea of what I am talking about listen to the Let's Talk Bitcoin interview with Preston Byrne who is a very reasonable person compared to Stephanie Murphy who is completely unreasonable and interjects herself into the interview several times spouting complete nonsense and disrupting the interview to the point of making the host angry. http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-137-eye-of-the-beholderAlso, yes, that message in the Genesis Block merely proves the date the software was released and makes kind of joke. I have seen people claim that this "proves" all kinds of intent by Satoshi and it obviously does no such thing. If someone points to that message and claims it proves some kind of intent by Satoshi don't bother to listen to anything else that person has to say because it will be all nonsense. |
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guys.. you do realise why satoshi made bitcoin right?? to get away from FIAT.
No, I don't realize why he invented Bitcoin and neither do you. I suspect he had no idea it would become this valuable and to talk like he had everything planned out from the start seems pretty unlikely to me. Bitcoin is not a religion that was planned out by the messiah, it was some computer science people who put together a concept. I know, I know, he put some message in the Genesis Block and that proves it was some kind of long complicated theory to replace the entire world financial system. |
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I think it is very likely Satoshi will use the coins at some point. I don't think he knew it would become this valuable so he is probably deciding what to do. The system is too fragile to move the coins now so I expect he will wait at least until the next halving if not two.
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All of the listed bounties are for people that have the ability to right their wrongs but have not done so
How would you know that since the people are not identified? How do you know what really happened in these cases anyway? Maybe posts on Bitcointalk from people only known by screen names? This is the kind of things I am talking about, the people involved with this thing don't have the slightest idea about standards of proof and evidence. The cases are pretty well documented, beside the material on Bitcointalk. Of course WE do not know what exactly happened for we do not know who the potential scammers were. However, as it is stated on the bounty-site: At the end of the day, it is a judge who has to make a decision, not us. Oh sure. I like the Bitconia lawsuit. They are suing for breach of contract but they say "Plaintiff currently does not have any copies of said agreements in their possession ..." So not one the four plaintiffs even has a copy of the agreement that is the basis of the lawsuit. Then you have a copy of some email that was obviously edited because it says so at the top. There are no headers, time stamps, or anything. Was this suit ever even filed? What was the result? There is no docket, order, or judgment posted. If someone gets wrongly accused (or even if rightly accused but it is not proven) then there is the potential to sue Roger Ver if the site somehow causes someone a problem. Just by posting the lawsuit on his site if someone is damaged by the posting and the matter is not proven. Maybe Amir can get funding for his Dark Wallet that way? Haha. Maybe no more squatting? he can move in one of these places maybe: http://www.peoplefinders.com/property-search/name/roger+ver This is so ridiculous. |
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