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2401  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 30, 2014, 08:43:42 PM
In other news LTC broke 0.014 (0.0136)

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ltcbtc
2402  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 30, 2014, 08:36:25 PM
All funds from http://www.drkpool.com were gone?  Huh

Drkpool is shutting down. Use the instructions from the emails received to get your DRKs.
2403  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 30, 2014, 08:29:54 PM
Dang Camo, I can't be the only female here!  Hey girls, step outta hiding and say hello if you're female!  Or at least gay?  I need some company here!
Girls can't Internet or Crypto... Once they realize that they are literally sitting on $1,000,000, they just mine that and never learn anything else...
I remember "a girl with balls" who was trading DRK... she bought back when there was a dip down to 0.01 and stated so in the thread. That was an easy +50/+100% - depending how much later she sold.
I think I sent her a T-Shirt to similar effect... :-p
LOL Grin
http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/if-i-had-balls-they-would-be-bigger-than-yours

Ahahahaha epic stuff
2404  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 30, 2014, 08:22:30 PM
Just out of curiosity: Girl with balls, are you reading us? Cheesy
2405  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 30, 2014, 08:21:33 PM
Dang Camo, I can't be the only female here!  Hey girls, step outta hiding and say hello if you're female!  Or at least gay?  I need some company here!
Girls can't Internet or Crypto... Once they realize that they are literally sitting on $1,000,000, they just mine that and never learn anything else...
I remember "a girl with balls" who was trading DRK... she bought back when there was a dip down to 0.01 and stated so in the thread. That was an easy +50/+100% - depending how much later she sold.
I think I sent her a T-Shirt to similar effect... :-p

LOL Grin
2406  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 30, 2014, 08:18:14 PM
Dang Camo, I can't be the only female here!  Hey girls, step outta hiding and say hello if you're female!  Or at least gay?  I need some company here!
Girls can't Internet or Crypto... Once they realize that they are literally sitting on $1,000,000, they just mine that and never learn anything else...

I remember "a girl with balls" who was trading DRK... she bought when there was a dip down to 0.01 and stated so in the thread. That was an easy +50/+100% - depending how much later she sold.
2407  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 30, 2014, 08:14:23 PM
“Wide diversification is only required when investors do not understand what they are doing.”
Warren Buffett

True. But it's a rule that does have exceptions in new markets. The anonymous market is a new market. Hence there is explosive growth potential (anything that starts with 0% marketshare has explosive growth potential) for most coins that start in that market. They can go from 0 to something back to 0 (p&d) but ok... you ride the wave and cash on it.

These are quite predictable (quoting myself from 4 months ago):

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The general crypto boom is over. Those who saw 8000%+ profits from BTC in < 2 years were the lucky few. Who we be the Levi Strauss of the crypto era - a man who started a small business selling new-fanged denim jeans to the gold miners back in '49. Perhaps you've heard Levi's?

I think cryptos in general have a lot of potential. I mean most people don't even know what Bitcoin is, let alone altcoins. And, if you factor in that around three quarters of the planet live in countries with high inflation rate (not EUR, GBP, USD etc - which of course are inflated too but to a lesser degree), cryptos could be a nice alternative to the national currency - and much more convenient than gold for trade purposes.

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DRK looks interesting enough, but whether or not it shoots up and outrageous amount to $20, or even $100 by next year is largely irrelevant,

Darkcoin is providing a second option vs the monopoly of transparency in which ther coins are in. This means that if someone wants their crypto deposits / crypto transactions to be more private they'll have to move over to DRK. The transparent market is at 100% right now while the more-private market is at near 0%. In terms of "market growth potential" what will happen should be pretty easy to figure out.

With a market cap of ~8bn (BTC+other alts) to 3mn (DARKcoin), the prospect of capital flowing toward the DRK side is "significant". Even if one per cent of the "transparent" market moves to the more private market, we're talking about 80mn USD boost that is there to share for DRK or other anon coins which may follow - and they will not be necessarily mutually exclusive (one could practice transferring money through 2-3 anon coins, implementing different solutions, for extra safety / privacy). Needless to say what may happen if tax authorities start to crack down on BTC. The "just 1%" may suddenly become several % - with a corresponding boost in value of the private coins.

I mean, from a market perspective, and with such prospects being there, even if the anon market is shared by 2-3-5 different coins in the long run, this is a 9-digit to 10-digit market (xxx millions to billions) that they will share between them. Current market cap of a few million USD may seem like a joke by then. With such fundamentals, who needs hype, or pump and dumps?

Coinmarketcap:

#   Name   Market Cap   Price   Available Supply   Volume (24h)   % Change (24h)   Market Cap Graph (7d)
4    Darkcoin   $ 39,684,592   $ 8.96   4,428,986 DRK   $ 1,241,651   -2.71 %   
10    VeriCoin   $ 8,590,135   $ 0.320769   26,779,852 VRC   $ 1,465,966   +17.07 %   
12    Bytecoin (BCN)   $ 8,129,054   $ 0.000052   156,642,854,474 BCN   $ 3,165   -3.50 %   
16    Monero   $ 4,677,589   $ 2.63   1,780,026 XMR   $ 119,672   +10.60 %   
18    XC   $ 4,460,178   $ 0.808752   5,514,891 XC*   $ 80,184   +4.30 %   
20    Neutrino   $ 3,722,219   $ 0.017692   210,394,506 NTR   $ 864   +9.82 %   
33    Razor   $ 1,364,053   $ 0.909187   1,500,300 RZR   $ 275,847   +11.02 %   
34    CloakCoin   $ 1,336,960   $ 0.296237   4,513,147 CLOAK*   $ 50,087   -4.84 %   
38    Anoncoin   $ 901,704   $ 0.848384   1,062,849 ANC   $ 13,695   +16.56 %   
41    CryptCoin   $ 785,813   $ 0.264090   2,975,551 CRYPT   $ 55,486   -9.35 %   
42    Cinni   $ 735,970   $ 0.048990   15,022,999 CINNI*   $ 26,377   +12.61 %   
44    SuperCoin   $ 631,008   $ 0.042811   14,739,465 SUPER   $ 58,587   -10.77 %   
51    Boolberry   $ 463,752   $ 0.850716   545,131 BBR   $ 11,018   +12.99 %   
54    VootCoin   $ 425,579   $ 0.006177   68,898,641 VOOT   $ 54,236   -5.94 %   

= 76mn USD (in line with my projection) of which the majority (65.52mn) is shared by the top5 and DRK has 52% marketshare of the entire market (it's usually ~60%+ but the price spiked down today)

Naturally, the others that started out of nowhere, had even larger marketcap explosions (in terms of %) compared to DRK which had ~2mn or something 4 months ago.
2408  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 30, 2014, 07:44:04 PM
That's positively the worst trade I ever made. The buyers have shown their hand. They're not letting it go below 135..

Thank god most of my holdings are locked up in cold storage where I can't get my jittery hands on them.
I've done worse, but not due to jitters... So don't feel too bad. I lost about 4200 DRK due to a DSL modem fail...

Eh? How were the DRK lost?
2409  Local / Altcoins (Ελληνικά) / Re: Altcoins και anon-race on: June 30, 2014, 05:21:03 PM
Τα tor coins δε θεωρουνται καινοτομια γιατι πολυ απλα ολα τα bitcoin based coins μπορουν να παιξουν με TOR, ηδη. Δλδ το να κανει market ενα coin και να πει ειμαι ανωνυμο γιατι εχω tor ειναι υπερβολη. Γιατι να μην τρεξω πχ bitcoin με TOR και να ειμαι αρχοντας?
2410  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 30, 2014, 04:47:08 PM
I've been out of touch for about 90 pages (mini vacation)

Can someone give me the cliffnotes version of happenings since friday?

There has been nothing noteworthy except a joint statement by DRK & XC devs to continue without attacks between the two communities.
2411  Local / Altcoins (Ελληνικά) / Re: Altcoins και anon-race on: June 30, 2014, 10:21:15 AM
παιδια βλεπω με ενδιαφερον τις συζητησεις σας αν και δεν ποιανω
τα περισσοτερα, ασχολουμε ποιο πολυ με
αποκεντρωμενες εφαρμογες  (σκεφτειτε
οτι στο μελλον τα παντα στο ιντερνετ θα ειναι
αποκεντρωμενα, τα παντα ομως)
το ερωτημα μου ομως ειναι αν μπορει να κρυφτει η   ΙP
μεταξυ των συναλλαγων, οχι μονο  το wallet
για μενα ποιο σημαντικο ειναι η κρυμενη IP Wink

Ναι και τωρα μπορεις να το κανεις αυτο με TOR + Bitcoin.

Η αποκρυψη IP ειναι βασικο component στο anonymity αλλιως ολα τα network broadcasts μπορουν να καταγραφουν και να ταυτοποιηθουν. Στα περισσοτερα ανωνυμα coins ειναι yet-to-be-integrated feature αφου θεωρειται και το πιο ευκολο σκελος σε σχεση με το obfuscation των transactions, οπότε το βασικό είναι να εχεις επιτυχει πρωτα το πως θα κανεις το anonymity σε επιπεδο transactions και μετα βαζεις και το IP obfuscation.

Το προβλημα ξεκιναει στο οτι δεν υπαρχει 100% αξιοπιστο συστημα IP obfuscation. Δλδ και fully anonymous να ειναι το coin, παλι μπορει να σε δωσει ενα διατρητο συστημα IP obfuscation (πχ tor nodes που ελεγχονται απο bad actors των κυβερνησεων / υπηρεσιων).
2412  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 30, 2014, 08:58:08 AM
Maybe this is the reason for thep price drop !

There was some arbitrage from the fall of LTC down to 0.014 to the DRK market.

In other words: LTC fell, people couldn't sell their LTC directly for BTC as LTC had tanked, they bought DRK at 1:1, sold DRK, created DRK selling pressure and then some sold DRK on top of that for extra selling pressure. All very low volume though.
2413  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 29, 2014, 08:22:35 PM
including LTC which tested 0.0150.

Trying to find which exchange. Don't think it has today? Although it certainly appears to be headed in that direction.

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ltcbtc

2414  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 29, 2014, 07:47:29 PM
honestly, I think the reason for the price continuing to go down is uncertainty.

There is not much uncertainty really. We know the market, we know the plans, we are just waiting for the bigger things to happen, and then adoption to happen. All this takes time, takes months - it's not instant gratification. All the while people are buying and selling, the price is going up and down, people trade the ups and downs etc etc.

Business as usual.

Having said that, there was a large dip in a lot of alts these last few days, including LTC which tested 0.0150.
2415  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 29, 2014, 07:32:11 PM
Cryptsy's cold wallet has like 500k... I guess mintpal has another 500k or so... liquidity is not an issue.

As for the calculation, if there are like 400 nodes and 4.4 mn coins, there are still 4mn coins for trading.
2416  Local / Altcoins (Ελληνικά) / Re: Altcoins και anon-race on: June 29, 2014, 06:32:24 PM
DRK and XC Communities,

The toxic back and forth between our two communities has reached a level with which neither of us are comfortable or impressed.  The competitive space for our coins lies in the results, and the results will speak for themselves as they are brought online.  Whatever mistakes or provocations were undertaken by either side are in the past, and we would like them to remain there.  We are all interested in one thing: the advancement of anonymous cryptocurrency.  Let go of the tribalism and start thinking of how you can positively contribute to that end.

Evan and Dan


Μου θυμιζει παιδάκια στο δημοτικο, σε στυλ "φίλοι?" Cheesy
2417  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Unmoderated XC thread on: June 29, 2014, 06:22:28 PM
10 days ago:

In conclusion I'll say this:

The primary DRK buyer (the one who has a very large stake at DRK) is also the primary XC buyer who diversified into XC. Given that the future of small investors in DRK and XC is intertwined with the trust of the primary buyer to both these coins, it should be best for us (both) if we stopped hurting the primary buyer, and by extension our own investments.

Neither solution is perfect, both will have a long way to go until they solve their problems, so let's wait and see what they do tech-wise in say 2-3 months.
2418  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 29, 2014, 11:12:28 AM
I respect what is being done here, but Satoshi has enlightened us the importance of consensus algorithms. Centralized and hierarchal systems are outdated and have no room in this space. In time all things centralized in our world will be replaced with trustless regulatory algoriths, all in the vein of bitcoin

Even shatoshi's algorithms need nodes to run.
2419  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 29, 2014, 10:52:46 AM
congratulations you've successfully split a cunt hair.
the master node setup is still a centralized structure reliant upon trust.

Trust only in the sense of transaction knowledge, not in the sense of a transaction being trusted.

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The current abundance of nodes strengthens your argument in favor of dark send but this goes against the entire concept of trustless regulatory consensus algorithms.

Not really. Each people who have a consensus to mix their coins / transactions and are using a non-centralized (not 1 center) matchmaker to do so.

Btw, masternodes can be used for other things beyond DarkSend.

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Which is the key point I want to make here. Dark send is the appliance of provably corruptible centralized regulatory coin mixing services on top of a brilliant trustless decentralized regulatory consensus algorithm. Zerocoin is the future, not dark send. The transaction mixing needs to become apart of the algorithm its self not on centralized masternode servers.

- Trusted accumulator
- Zero proofs non quantum resistant (=not very future-proof)

There is no perfect solution for anonymity.
2420  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payment on: June 29, 2014, 10:24:16 AM
Again, just to reiterate on the piece of my post you didn't address, I do not like the centralized nature of the Masternode setup at Darkcoin, BUT , many coins have a centralized aspect, such as checkpointing servers in some POS coins. the way i see it, masternodes and checkpoint servers may be a necessary evil. So all in all i guess the Masternode setup isn't a big deal, so long as it offers no unfair disadvantage to common miners.

The concept of center, is that it is singular. It is a single point where all the other things revolve around / are based upon etc.

Checkpointing is centralization because there is one point where the network uses to align itself.

Masternodes are like ...500.

500 is not a single point / a center. There is no "center". There are 500 masternodes all over the globe.

If there was one masternode that did the mixing, it would be centralized mixing.

If there are 500-1000 nodes all over the world that operate in a p2p fashion, it is not centralization.

If the government can go to one place (center) and take down the system = centralization / client-server model - with the server-mixer being the single point of reliance.

If the government can't do that because it has to shut 500 nodes all over the world = decentralization / p2p model - with every node adding to network resilience.
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