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24141  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: April 24, 2017, 12:06:24 AM

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Positive effects.....

Negative effects.......
The existence of ‘religious struggle’ in elderly patients was predictive of greater risk of mortality in a study by Pargament et al. (2001). Results indicate that patients, with a previously sound religious life, experienced a 19% to 28% greater mortality due to the belief that God was supposedly punishing them or abandoning them.


Did this part of the study take into account the faulty medical which kills way more people faster than they would die if they did NOT seek medical help?

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24142  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Talking about Atheism... on: April 24, 2017, 12:03:09 AM
We barely understand much of anything about the universe. There is no way to understand about the nature of God, Who was outside of the universe when He made it, is outside of the universe and nature that He made as well as within it.

There is no cycle of infinity. Entropy proves that there is a beginning.



Machines like nature of the universe rebuttal
BADecker believes that machines need a maker and that maker has to be a god.
BADekcer KNOWS that machines need makers. Let's see a car or TV or cyclotron that just popped into existence without being made. There is absolutely not one machine in nature that can be shown to break the pattern of machines being made. If there is, where is it? All machines of nature were made through the process of cause and effect.

The proof of God is explained more, here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.


The reality of this is that evolution has caused the changes. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v481/n7381/full/nature10724.html   
Probability math and irreducible complexity are only two of the many things that show and prove that evolution is impossible. Since scientists know this, they have made science fiction for themselves in the evolution idea. However, they gradually change the definition of "evolution" over time, to wiggle out from under their faulty evidence that proves an embarrassment to them.

The website listed doesn't go far enough to explain the way all-pervading cause and effect make changes. The changes have been programmed into the universe through cause and effect. Cause and effect was set into motion by God... whatever God might be. Check the links for the proof that God exists to see how this works.



BADecker then claims that this is only theory. The reality is that science is disproving/proving all theories  we (humans) have believed for years. That is the nature of science. For it to be tested by others. People like BADecker will continually use their same argument of assumptions to state there is no proof that god does not exist.
When explanations in science are limited, the knowledge that God exists are limited, as well.


The reality is that history has shown that early Vikings believed  "lightning flashed whenever Thor threw his hammer". Science has proven this incorrect.
Getting into religion again, right?



Nations looking for god rebuttal
BADecker claims that people are looking for how the universe was made. This is true. However, BADecker then claims that because the answers are still not found, the answer must be a god.
Since science shows that God created the universe - even though the little bit of science that we know doesn't explain much of anything about the nature of God - it isn't a "must be" answer. The way the scientific laws of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity work together, prove that God exists.


WRONG.... this is not proof. This is an assumption again on BADecker's part. Science is unlocking secrets every day. Religion is being disproven daily and BADecker continues to hold on to his mindless views.

Nothing is proof to someone who doesn't understand it... but especially to someone who doesn't want to understand it. The proof of this can be found by comparing what stats says against the proof for the existence of God found in the proof links, above.

Cool

You are the only person to believe your links are proof little man.

How about you provide real proof of your god.

Your assumptions mean nothing.

Now all of a sudden, you not only have penetrated the whole universe to see that God doesn't exist anywhere, but you have also checked the hearts and minds of all people on earth, as well as those in the ISS, to see that none of them believe the way I do.

Perhaps you should seek psychiatric help somewhere, before you literally do go off the deep end.

Cool
24143  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: April 23, 2017, 11:54:48 PM
Just for you.......

BADecker's evidence in a nutshell......

Link 1
Machine like nature of the universe.
Cause and effect
Nations looking for God?
BADecker believes that all machines are ultimately the result of a god.

Link 2
Cause and effect

Link 3
Cause and effect

Link 4
Cause and effect

Cause and effect rebuttal
If cause and effect is proof of a god, then who made god? Was it god's god? And who made god's god? was it god's god's god? This is a cycle of infinity. This is no proof.
BADecker simply applies an assumption that  this a god. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8  

Machines like nature of the universe rebuttal
BADecker believes that machines need a maker and that maker has to be a god. The reality of this is that evolution has caused the changes. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v481/n7381/full/nature10724.html  

BADecker then claims that this is only theory. The reality is that science is disproving/proving all theories  we (humans) have believed for years. That is the nature of science. For it to be tested by others. People like BADecker will continually use their same argument of assumptions to state there is no proof that god does not exist. The reality is that history has shown that early Vikings believed  "lightning flashed whenever Thor threw his hammer". Science has proven this incorrect.

Nations looking for god rebuttal
BADecker claims that people are looking for how the universe was made. This is true. However, BADecker then claims that because the answers are still not found, the answer must be a god. WRONG.... this is not proof. This is an assumption again on BADecker's part. Science is unlocking secrets every day. Religion is being disproven daily and BADecker continues to hold on to his mindless views.

Your info is completely faulty as is shown by this reply of mine, here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1771311.msg18709342#msg18709342.

Cool

Ha ha ha ha.....

Linking to yourself again!

This really shows you have no understanding of reality.

Until you rebut the scientific laws of cause and effect, entropy, and complex universe, and how they work together to prove the existence of God, anything and everything you say is irrelevant.

Cool
24144  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: April 23, 2017, 11:52:13 PM
Moloch is only asking you to show your faith in your religion.

Your noncompliance shows you know it is false.

Congratulations on admitting there is no god.

the fact that I am replying shows my faith, and that your thinking is generally faulty.

Cool

Next step of faith is for you to eat your poison.

The closest that I have to poison is, your poison which has infiltrated you, and is spilling out in your words against God and Christianity all over this forum. God has protected you from it so far. But He may not continue to do so in the future. Ultimately, if you maintain this your poison until you die, you will be destroyed in Hell by it.

My faith regarding your poison, which you call my poison, is the same kind of faith Jesus answered the devil with when the devil tempted Him. From Matthew 4:7:
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Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

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24145  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: April 23, 2017, 04:03:04 PM

Additionally, scientific evaluation of evolution, using probability math, shows that evolution is completely impossible. Cause and effect show that there is no random effect, randomness that would be necessary for mutations to exist as evolution. Irreducible complexity shows that critical stages of the evolution idea are missing, thereby moving evolution into the realm of never being able to be proven.


you really need to
1. educate yourself beyond your  bubble of pious biblical fairy tale nonsense
2. read up on some real evolutionary science. your above statement shows your complete and utter ignorance of it.
   but no surprise there.
and 3. jeezus dude...take a break from these troll fest threads once in awhile.
          unless that is you don't mind being seen as rather obsessed






You have been played, son... you and all the people who think that evolution is possible or real. You've been suckered into an evolution religion. Scientists are getting rich off you jokers by getting grant money to continue experimenting, or by teaching evolution foolishness in universities. And you support it with your taxes.

Cool

ok, 1st of all, I'm not your son, you arrogant bastard
You are not a son or a daughter? You were born bi?  Cheesy


Denying evolution in the face of 200 years of peer reviewed science and evidence eh?
Yeah all that silly stuff that modern evolutionary biology is based on? Its all a big lie folks!
We've all been suckered. BADecker says so right here in this bitcoin thread and
he even knows about Newtons 3rd law and cause and effect so he must speak be the truth!
Are you trying to say that scientists are so pure that they wouldn't have an agenda? How could they even be scientists if that were the case.

Did you ever look at the term, "the Theory of Evolution?" Why is it a theory? Because the same evidence suggests other things that are not evolution, as well.

Two hundred years of evidence, and they still haven't proven evolution. It should really be dropped from theory status into a simple science fiction idea.



 I'm not gonna argue with ya bud.  You're too far over the cliff and its a waste of time.
But try this for starters
Its one of thousands and unlike your stupid merry go round links back to yourself
 it actually links to an outside reputable site.
Thanks for this Scientific American article/site. It helps to prove that evolution does not even belong in the category/class of theory status. How does it prove this? It shows a bunch of rebutted rebuttals.

As you say, let interested people do their own research.



 I just like coming here to troll you because I can always count on you to quote me with a good Sunday morning
laughable reply like the one above.
So anyway, be seein ya next Sunday for my quote and another good belly laugh.


              
                     https://i.imgur.com/UrCSU2u.jpg

Is that why you seldom reply directly to my posts. You have a hard time finding anything wrong with them to talk against. Rather, you simply show how ignorant you are by not recognizing that God exists.


Cool
24146  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: April 23, 2017, 03:48:08 PM
Just for you.......

BADecker's evidence in a nutshell......

Link 1
Machine like nature of the universe.
Cause and effect
Nations looking for God?
BADecker believes that all machines are ultimately the result of a god.

Link 2
Cause and effect

Link 3
Cause and effect

Link 4
Cause and effect

Cause and effect rebuttal
If cause and effect is proof of a god, then who made god? Was it god's god? And who made god's god? was it god's god's god? This is a cycle of infinity. This is no proof.
BADecker simply applies an assumption that  this a god. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8  

Machines like nature of the universe rebuttal
BADecker believes that machines need a maker and that maker has to be a god. The reality of this is that evolution has caused the changes. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v481/n7381/full/nature10724.html  

BADecker then claims that this is only theory. The reality is that science is disproving/proving all theories  we (humans) have believed for years. That is the nature of science. For it to be tested by others. People like BADecker will continually use their same argument of assumptions to state there is no proof that god does not exist. The reality is that history has shown that early Vikings believed  "lightning flashed whenever Thor threw his hammer". Science has proven this incorrect.

Nations looking for god rebuttal
BADecker claims that people are looking for how the universe was made. This is true. However, BADecker then claims that because the answers are still not found, the answer must be a god. WRONG.... this is not proof. This is an assumption again on BADecker's part. Science is unlocking secrets every day. Religion is being disproven daily and BADecker continues to hold on to his mindless views.

Your info is completely faulty as is shown by this reply of mine, here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1771311.msg18709342#msg18709342.

Cool
24147  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: April 23, 2017, 03:45:59 PM
Moloch is only asking you to show your faith in your religion.

Your noncompliance shows you know it is false.

Congratulations on admitting there is no god.

the fact that I am replying shows my faith, and that your thinking is generally faulty.

Cool
24148  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Talking about Atheism... on: April 23, 2017, 03:41:44 PM
Essentially, the only thing you DO is personal attacks. Do you think that I am attacking you when I say this? It isn't an attack against you. It is an upholding of the things that you show about yourself in your posts. How is it shown in your posts? Here's how.

You claim that there isn't any scientific proof that God exists. When I show you the proof, you don't rebut the points of the proof. Rather, you bring up a bunch of nonsense about religious topics that have nothing to do with the proof.

The science that God exists isn't religion. It is a logical system that shows that the existence of God is fact. If a person wants to use God in His religion, that is an entirely different topic.

Again, the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

This time, see if you can get in there and rebut the proof scientifically, rather than act in a religious way and try to rebut from a religious standpoint as you usually do.

Cool

You are a funny little fella.

You claim that your links are your proof..... unfortunately for you..... there is no proof. All of your links have been broken down.

Why do you think others do not link to your words? Ill tell you why..... cause they believe it to be false too.

Provide proof and and not your assumptions please.

Let's see some proof that the info in the links is not proof that God exists.

Cool

Glad you asked........

BADecker's evidence in a nutshell......

Link 1
Machine like nature of the universe.
Cause and effect
Nations looking for God?
BADecker believes that all machines are ultimately the result of a god.

Link 2
Cause and effect

Link 3
Cause and effect

Link 4
Cause and effect

Cause and effect rebuttal
If cause and effect is proof of a god, then who made god? Was it god's god? And who made god's god? was it god's god's god? This is a cycle of infinity. This is no proof.
BADecker simply applies an assumption that  this a god. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8   
We barely understand much of anything about the universe. There is no way to understand about the nature of God, Who was outside of the universe when He made it, is outside of the universe and nature that He made as well as within it.

There is no cycle of infinity. Entropy proves that there is a beginning.



Machines like nature of the universe rebuttal
BADecker believes that machines need a maker and that maker has to be a god.
BADekcer KNOWS that machines need makers. Let's see a car or TV or cyclotron that just popped into existence without being made. There is absolutely not one machine in nature that can be shown to break the pattern of machines being made. If there is, where is it? All machines of nature were made through the process of cause and effect.

The proof of God is explained more, here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.


The reality of this is that evolution has caused the changes. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v481/n7381/full/nature10724.html   
Probability math and irreducible complexity are only two of the many things that show and prove that evolution is impossible. Since scientists know this, they have made science fiction for themselves in the evolution idea. However, they gradually change the definition of "evolution" over time, to wiggle out from under their faulty evidence that proves an embarrassment to them.

The website listed doesn't go far enough to explain the way all-pervading cause and effect make changes. The changes have been programmed into the universe through cause and effect. Cause and effect was set into motion by God... whatever God might be. Check the links for the proof that God exists to see how this works.



BADecker then claims that this is only theory. The reality is that science is disproving/proving all theories  we (humans) have believed for years. That is the nature of science. For it to be tested by others. People like BADecker will continually use their same argument of assumptions to state there is no proof that god does not exist.
When explanations in science are limited, the knowledge that God exists are limited, as well.


The reality is that history has shown that early Vikings believed  "lightning flashed whenever Thor threw his hammer". Science has proven this incorrect.
Getting into religion again, right?



Nations looking for god rebuttal
BADecker claims that people are looking for how the universe was made. This is true. However, BADecker then claims that because the answers are still not found, the answer must be a god.
Since science shows that God created the universe - even though the little bit of science that we know doesn't explain much of anything about the nature of God - it isn't a "must be" answer. The way the scientific laws of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity work together, prove that God exists.


WRONG.... this is not proof. This is an assumption again on BADecker's part. Science is unlocking secrets every day. Religion is being disproven daily and BADecker continues to hold on to his mindless views.

Nothing is proof to someone who doesn't understand it... but especially to someone who doesn't want to understand it. The proof of this can be found by comparing what stats says against the proof for the existence of God found in the proof links, above.

Cool
24149  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: April 23, 2017, 03:09:45 PM

The worst poison is to be unChristian in your life. You are what you live, not what you say you live.

Shut up and drink your Rattex™!

If you don't drink Rattex™, as described in Mark 16:17-18... you are not a TrueChristian™

Hey, thanks, man. We are finally getting to the point where your patience is wearing out, and the poison you are is showing through. Keep it up. You'll contradict yourself right out of your own life.

 Cheesy
24150  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: April 23, 2017, 03:07:21 PM
I do believe in God the Creator of heaven and earth. I see from nature that God  manifest himself in living things and nor living things should we deny reality? That list we human being by looking at our nature should know that there is something greater than  our thought, soul and body that dwell inside and outside us. God is my source therefore I believe in him.
Today there is a science with which all are faced and there is no refutation of the teaching of science. All scientific conclusions are supported by evidence. But how can God exist from a scientific point of view? Can it still be considered that God is spirit or scientific, energy or power capable of creating and creating?

All science that explains where the universe and life comes from, is science theory. Science theory is something that is not known to be factual.

Since the universe is here, along with intelligence and life, whatever could cause these things to happen is God. If Big Bang Theory is proven to be the way that the universe came about, then Big Bang is God. So far, according to science, Big Bang is not known to be factual, or even to plausibly exist.

Cool
It is not necessary to think unfoundedly
that God is an explosion. It is
necessary to think a little more broadly
and to perceive everything, both
positive and negative energy as an
entire whole. God is a great power.

God is not big bang. But if big bang ever existed, God might be it, or at least working through it.

God, Himself, is beyond energy, although He has energy, and uses energy.

Cool

And your proof of this claim is where?

The proof is right here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Oh, that's right. You don't understand the proof. In addition, you would claim the proof isn't proof even if you understood. But what else can an ignorant, barbarous, unthinking person do? You fit right into the pattern you have built for yourself.

Cool

Not proof puddleduck.

Its only your silly assumptions.

Can you please provide proof?

It is as I said. You wouldn't accept the proof as proof if you understood it. Yet you can't show any scienti8fic rebuttal to the scientific proof. So, the proof stands, by you own admission - your non-rebuttal admission.

Cool
24151  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: April 23, 2017, 03:03:32 PM

The worst poison is to be unChristian in your life. You are what you live, not what you say you live.

Cool
24152  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Talking about Atheism... on: April 23, 2017, 03:01:45 PM
Essentially, the only thing you DO is personal attacks. Do you think that I am attacking you when I say this? It isn't an attack against you. It is an upholding of the things that you show about yourself in your posts. How is it shown in your posts? Here's how.

You claim that there isn't any scientific proof that God exists. When I show you the proof, you don't rebut the points of the proof. Rather, you bring up a bunch of nonsense about religious topics that have nothing to do with the proof.

The science that God exists isn't religion. It is a logical system that shows that the existence of God is fact. If a person wants to use God in His religion, that is an entirely different topic.

Again, the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

This time, see if you can get in there and rebut the proof scientifically, rather than act in a religious way and try to rebut from a religious standpoint as you usually do.

Cool

You are a funny little fella.

You claim that your links are your proof..... unfortunately for you..... there is no proof. All of your links have been broken down.

Why do you think others do not link to your words? Ill tell you why..... cause they believe it to be false too.

Provide proof and and not your assumptions please.

Let's see some proof that the info in the links is not proof that God exists.

Cool
24153  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: April 23, 2017, 03:00:24 PM


Since true believers are weak in faith, think of how bad the unbelievers are.

Cool
24154  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: April 23, 2017, 02:59:12 PM


Especially if you want to conquer the nation for the benefit of the people, especially the benefit that includes eternal life = Christianity.

Cool
24155  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: April 23, 2017, 02:57:43 PM


Not all religion is bad. Only the religions that do not uphold morality and Jesus salvation are bad.

Cool
24156  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: April 23, 2017, 02:56:33 PM
Christ really exist because I have s personal experience with him,but I cannot see him physically but through his teachings and inspiration from the holy spirit and when I prau he always answer but every body have his or her own opinion on whether Christian city is the true religion because such people have not encounter him

Really, always?

Ask him to post here.

I think you don't even know what God is.

If you know it, define it for us.  Not what you think it did or does, but what it is.


You have studied the Bible. You can see all the definitions of God listed there. You also know that in essence, God is undefinable. Therefore, God is defined as something that is undefinable in addition to all the ways that the Bible defines Him.

Cool

Waffle waffle waffle.

More trash talk with no essence.

A simple selfie will do.

Actually, my response is right on target with regard to the post I responded to. See the pink highlighted areas above. So it is you who are ignorant and off topic, as usual. Is that all you are? Ignorance and off topic?

Cool

Off topic? 

This is your new way of trying to move the discussion when you cannot prove your point. 

It is typical cloak and dagger.

Selfie please?

Are you talking atheism? Where is your atheism talk in this post of yours, so someone can reply on topic? What? There isn't any? I guess you are trying to be off topic, as usual.

What? You ARE on topic? Oh, I get it. By showing yourself in an off-topic manner, you are essentially saying that you are not an atheist after all. So, you are on topic by replying in an off-topic manner.

Why didn't you come right out and say it? Why didn't you say that you are not an atheist, rather than going through all these contortions?

Cool
24157  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Talking about Atheism... on: April 23, 2017, 02:50:40 PM
Your holy book says to do all the stuff af_newbie stated.

It wasnt af_newbie but YOUR holy book.

Or are you admitting that your holy book is full of contradictions?

Actually, it was af_newbie. Why? Because he didn't state the details, but rather, took it all out of context.

Getting back to atheism...

The major reason that af_newbie does this, is to take the focus off the fact that atheism doesn't really exist for those who claim it for themselves. Oh sure, atheism might exist among a few ignorant talkers who haven't really thought about it. But...

1. If you think about atheism at all, you don't have a lack of belief that God exists. Thinking about the idea of God is the thing that makes you either believe that He doesn't exist, or believe that He does, or believe that He at least might exist.

2. Anybody with a little bit of an IQ realizes that he doesn't know for sure that God doesn't exist somewhere that he hasn't examined, yet. Once he realizes this, he automatically opens himself up to the knowledge that God might exist. When he realizes that God might exist, he is no longer an atheist, because atheism states that God doesn't exist, period.

3. Adamant atheists are simply liars. They know God might exist somewhere. They realize that they aren't atheists. Yet, they speak atheism on and on as though they were atheists. When they do this, they are trolls, or they have an agenda to spread lies. Either way, informed atheists are simply liars.

Number 3 is what stats and af_newbie are. To avoid having to show their hand, they talk about other religions (atheism is a religion) in an atheist thread.

This that they do is called political science. Political science says that the only thing you must do to succeed is to state your drivel over and over and never stop. This is the only reason atheism has lasted as long as it has. Atheists speak it with political science enthusiasm. There is absolutely no truth to atheism whatsoever, as is shown above.

Cool

Now you are saying what we think?

Do you have a super human power to read minds? I dont think you do.

This is your failing.... you assume you know.

When in reality..... you are full of shit and try to justify your own belief.

Knowing the exact level of the ways that you think about some things is irrelevant. The fact that you continue to speak off topic - in this case, the topic of atheism - shows that you have been "out-thought" in this area. If you hadn't been, you would be able to produce an atheism answer that showed that atheism has some truth to it.

If, on the other hand, you DO have an atheism answer, but you simply are not expressing it, shows that you have some ulterior motive for being against the exact thing that you proclaim... the proclamation that God doesn't exist. That makes you a liar... by claiming one thing and then the opposite.

Nobody has to read minds to see these things about you. It is in the logic of the way you handle your posts.

So, lets see you contradict what I said rather than make claims about me. Making claims about me is the thing you are good at. Barbarous, ignorant people attempt to bash other people rather than contradict the things other people say with logical, meaningful contradictions.

Since you can't seem to contradict the point that there aren't any thinking atheists - Why aren't there? Because a thinking person knows that God might exist somewhere that he hasn't examined or explored - you turn into an animal by attacking people rather than the point of atheism.

Cool

Hmmmmm.... you claim i am off topic..... i suggest you read the forum and what i have written.

Your last post is just your way of trying to be passive aggressive. So i will appease your worry.

Simply put.....  there is no proof of any god.

Therefore, there is nothing to believe in.

BADecker i have never attacked...... only disproved your claims.

Essentially, the only thing you DO is personal attacks. Do you think that I am attacking you when I say this? It isn't an attack against you. It is an upholding of the things that you show about yourself in your posts. How is it shown in your posts? Here's how.

You claim that there isn't any scientific proof that God exists. When I show you the proof, you don't rebut the points of the proof. Rather, you bring up a bunch of nonsense about religious topics that have nothing to do with the proof.

The science that God exists isn't religion. It is a logical system that shows that the existence of God is fact. If a person wants to use God in His religion, that is an entirely different topic.

Again, the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

This time, see if you can get in there and rebut the proof scientifically, rather than act in a religious way and try to rebut from a religious standpoint as you usually do.

Cool
24158  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: April 23, 2017, 02:39:01 PM

Additionally, scientific evaluation of evolution, using probability math, shows that evolution is completely impossible. Cause and effect show that there is no random effect, randomness that would be necessary for mutations to exist as evolution. Irreducible complexity shows that critical stages of the evolution idea are missing, thereby moving evolution into the realm of never being able to be proven.


you really need to
1. educate yourself beyond your  bubble of pious biblical fairy tale nonsense
2. read up on some real evolutionary science. your above statement shows your complete and utter ignorance of it.
   but no surprise there.
and 3. jeezus dude...take a break from these troll fest threads once in awhile.
          unless that is you don't mind being seen as rather obsessed


You sound kinda dense. In what way? Newton's 3rd Law is still a law. Just because there has been a bunch of theory that scientists try to use to destroy Newton's 3rd Law, doesn't mean they have succeeded at all.

Talk about educating one's self, you need to educate yourself that Newton's 3rd law upholds cause and effect, and that cause and effect exists in everything, and that there is not even one example of true randomness because of cause and effect, and that mutations are programmed into the universe because of this, and that there is not even one for-a-fact example of a beneficial mutation.

Regarding the idea of a living cell coming into being by the odds of nature simply falling into place in ways that make life, consider a simple, 200 element/molecule cell. What are the odds that these parts are going to fall into place in just the right way so that they would exist where they would have to exist for the cell to be alive. The odds are tremendously high against... so high that it impossible for it to happen.

But if it happened once, then the parts would have to be kicked into motion in just the right way for the cell to become alive. Another impossibility by the odds.

Even if this happened, the surrounding nature would destroy the life as instantly as the life appeared.

Now, if you want to get away from this idea by saying that evolution doesn't include abiogenesis, great. But, it is more improbable that a living cell, or other forms of life can gain atoms and molecules in the correct places so that they could change, simply by randomness. It simply isn't in the odds according to any probability math that we have that matches nature.

Besides. Even if we were talking about non-abiogenesis evolution, abiogenesis is so extremely impossible that it couldn't happen under any circumstances that we can almost imagine. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1454732.0 for starters. Then research it, and you will find that I am right.

You have been played, son... you and all the people who think that evolution is possible or real. You've been suckered into an evolution religion. Scientists are getting rich off you jokers by getting grant money to continue experimenting, or by teaching evolution foolishness in universities. And you support it with your taxes.

Cool

Oh Puddleduck...... you silly sausage.

You claim Newtons third law (cause and effect) upholds your evidence of a god........ however, you fail to answer who made your god?

You have never been able to answer this using the same laws with which you claim proves your own god, but instead apply your own assumptions. That is where you fail.

In order to proof A, you have to define what A is.

He does not even know what God is.  Yet he is determined to 'prove it scientifically' that his undefined agent or entity exist.

Talk about a faulty logic.

God is a being Who is fantastically powerful. Yet from the scientific proof, He is simply defined as something undefinable. So God has been defined.

Cool

So you can prove something that is undefinable.  I think you can expect a call from Nobel Price committee anytime soon...

Take out your velvet suit and oil your Mossberg 500, you are going to Sweden.  Yee-ya!!!


Okay. Let's see YOU define something that is so great that it acts on all the particles, energies, and dimensions of the universe, in the same way, but way better than, a pool shark manipulates the pool balls on a pool table during a game of pool. That is God.

Cool

Most religious people identify God as the "God of the gaps".  When they don't know something, when they see the complexity of the world they do not understand, they feel they need to explain it with something.  That something (the unknown and the unexplained) becomes God.  Now that is what pantheists do.

The Abramaic religions take this unknown concept further, assigning human qualities to it, adding moral codes and ethics, in some cases defining a whole legal system and create a religion.  Creating a deity/entity/independent agent out of the 'unknown'.

The worst part is the moral, ethical and legal systems created based on the God concept (the gaps in our human knowledge).  The end result is nonsense.

That is why Christian God ends up caring about what you wear, which testicles you touch, where you put your dick, what you eat and who you marry.   Muslim God also cares how many times you pray, and which direction you are facing while you are praying.  Not to mention his obsession with what women wear or who they talk to.

Atheists and agnostics leave the unknown, unknown.  The only logical way to discover the unknown is to study it.  Science has been proven as one of the best ways to learn about how the world works.
And in my opinion, it is the best way to unpeel the unknown like an onion, layer by layer.  The 'God of the gaps' gets smaller and smaller as science makes new discoveries and proves its theories with direct observations.


Yet, God exists as has been shown by the scientific proof, and by nature. Just because people don't understand what God is, doesn't have anything to do with WHAT HE IS.

God, Himself, gave the Abrahamic people through Isaac, possible the best form of religion. The Abrahamic people through Ishmael contradict the good religion of Isaac. This is not deity creation. This is acknowledging the Deity in both the right way, and a wrong way.

God cares about everything, because He is intimately in contact with every subatomic particle and wave of energy through cause and effect, right from the beginning to the present.

Since science has proven that God exists, because scientists won't study it when they study everything else, shows that they are against God.

Cool
24159  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: April 23, 2017, 02:26:13 PM

Great example of organized stupidity and ignorance.    Cool
24160  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: April 23, 2017, 02:23:02 PM
I do believe in God the Creator of heaven and earth. I see from nature that God  manifest himself in living things and nor living things should we deny reality? That list we human being by looking at our nature should know that there is something greater than  our thought, soul and body that dwell inside and outside us. God is my source therefore I believe in him.
Today there is a science with which all are faced and there is no refutation of the teaching of science. All scientific conclusions are supported by evidence. But how can God exist from a scientific point of view? Can it still be considered that God is spirit or scientific, energy or power capable of creating and creating?

All science that explains where the universe and life comes from, is science theory. Science theory is something that is not known to be factual.

Since the universe is here, along with intelligence and life, whatever could cause these things to happen is God. If Big Bang Theory is proven to be the way that the universe came about, then Big Bang is God. So far, according to science, Big Bang is not known to be factual, or even to plausibly exist.

Cool
It is not necessary to think unfoundedly
that God is an explosion. It is
necessary to think a little more broadly
and to perceive everything, both
positive and negative energy as an
entire whole. God is a great power.

God is not big bang. But if big bang ever existed, God might be it, or at least working through it.

God, Himself, is beyond energy, although He has energy, and uses energy.

Cool

And your proof of this claim is where?

The proof is right here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Oh, that's right. You don't understand the proof. In addition, you would claim the proof isn't proof even if you understood. But what else can an ignorant, barbarous, unthinking person do? You fit right into the pattern you have built for yourself.

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