if u knew, if u only knew what i know...
please go ahead, free yourself. That will be interesting. +1 Many interesting comments have been sent during the last night. Few thoughts based on those. utopianfuture's deed was not so dirty as some famous persons' in real life. And those people didn't resign. By resigning utopianfuture increased the level of trust to the NEM community. There will be newcomers to NEM and they may ask, can NEM be trusted. The current NEM-haters will say "NO". Then the question is how the current NEM-supporters can assure the newcomers? Is it enough to have utopianfuture's explanation and core team's comments? No. There is needed the working servers and clients. When the NEM coin is running, everybody understand that utopianfuture's deed was just a human mistake and it didn't affect to NEM. Also then can be evaluated Come-f-a's accusations, which already have been raising to astronomical yards and his real identity, which he keeps advertising and hinting with certain writing styles and by saying he has been in the NEM project. Has been in the NEM project and now tries to destroy it? I'd think twice when hiring such a guy in my projects. Many new companies (e.g. restaurants) create fake reviews to draw people in. If those restaurants are actually good and later become successful and get good real reviews, should the owner resign? Even in video games, companies bribe Gamespot to get review scores above 80%. Broke our trust sure but UF no longer has anything to do with NEM. |
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All UF did was spam sockpuppets to promote NEM back in January. UF only kept 1 sock for a second stake, which is legal if it's for someone else. Taint analysis removed hundreds of sockpuppet stakes.
BCnext and Satoshi had conversations with themselves, in the beginning, to drum up popularity. Seems fitting UF would name his sock "ghosthouse". UtopianFuture, Satoshi and BCnext may as well be the same person.
NEM never had an IPO. It was a call for participation where most people paid $5 to $40 and it has a very fair distribution, unlike NxT's IPO whales and all the other $hitcoins out there.
UF resigning had no impact on the price of NEM, historic low was 17K and it's currently above 20.
The people who think UF committed murder are all NxTers who fear NEM.
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It's a pity what happend. But luckily it's just boiled hotter than it actualy is. I'm still very excited about this project!
Appears all he did was equivalent to buying fake likes on facebook, in the initial weeks of NEM. Being caught doing it was worse than his actions. Every new coin does it, bumping it with socks so people will read it. Even Satoshi probably had ghost conversations with himself in 2009. Trolls from other coins keep claiming he has 1000s of sockpuppets - lol. Fud fail. UF's socks were gone before taint analysis, except for ghost house. Claiming a second stake on top of a large devoper stake was legal if it was for someone else (but definitely greedy) and then the 'tard trolling Sim Coin NEM's distribution is unchanged. We still have PoI. NEM lives on. Hang on, did you just say "ghost conversations? ghosthouse? Satoshi 1.0 and BCnext 2.0 combine Utopian 3.0 make NEM 4.0 |
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It's a pity what happend. But luckily it's just boiled hotter than it actualy is. I'm still very excited about this project!
Appears all he did was equivalent to buying fake likes on facebook, in the initial weeks of NEM. Being caught doing it was worse than his actions. Every new coin does it, bumping it with socks so people will read it. Even Satoshi probably had ghost conversations with himself in 2009. Trolls from other coins keep claiming he has 1000s of sockpuppets - lol. Fud fail. UF's socks were gone before taint analysis, except for ghost house. Claiming a second stake on top of a large devoper stake was legal if it was for someone else (but definitely greedy). |
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I'm sure Satoshi, BCNext and UtopianFuture have never disappeared - they likely continue to browse and can be identified by their brand of english and other mannerisms. I think it's cute that people are already accusing me of being UtopianFuture but our english is nowhere the same (easy to fake bad english but not vice versa), if I logged into the NxT or NEM forum our IP / ISPs are completely unrelated, et cetera. The real UtopianFuture is presumably hunkering down at the moment and will launch another coin. Maybe Satoshi = BCNext = UtopianFuture. Don't they all have crap english and terrible programming skills?  BCNext and UtopianFuture also created their Bitcointalk accounts after the former disappeared. *Conspiracy Hat* |
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Some of the anti-NEM people acknowledged that NEM was too expensive for them, hence their prior attempts (before the UF thing) of FUD to drive down the stake prices. That's crypto currencies in general, people always try to push the FUD to temporarily drive down prices so they can buy cheap and then sell high.
If you drive down the price of NEM stake then I'll buy a token, as would others.
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Price of a NEM stake is still higher than what it was a week ago, when it closed at 15K NxT. So much for a scandal. I would say NxT's distribution and price manipulation was way worse. Or Visacoin running off with people's money. Or Maidsafe accepting MtGox's stolen Bitcoins. All that technically happened was UtopianFuture created fake accounts to bump NEM back in January, accounts which were taken off the stakeholder list before we had all the developers, the 3000 stakeholders, taint analysis, et cetera. Scandal? Not really, it's only two people who are vocalizing that it's a scandal, and 30+ people telling them to take a hike. UtopianFuture is gone now, so these people have no reason to continue. |
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UtopianFuture did not scam anyone. What he did was equivalent to buying fake likes on Facebook and Twitter. All he did was create sockpuppet accounts, to pad popularity in the initial weeks of NEM, and he later took them off the stakeholder list. This is a tactic done by practically every coin out there. Satoshi likely had a dozen aliases in 2009 to promote Bitcoin.
Think hard about it - UtopianFuture had nothing to do with the taint analysis (others were in charge and it was open to anyone willing to volunteer). If UtopianFuture still had his sock puppets then he would had been busted hard, no way (under any fantasy scenario) could he had kept 100s of sockpuppets (let alone a dozen or five of them).
UtopianFuture at best probably only had 2 to 5 sockpuppets total (later removed) but now he has zero and persumably no developer stake anymore.
You don't know any of this. All of your words are 100% conjecture. No, they are not. Anyone who is familiar with NEM would know that we had an open, transparent, taint analysis which last for several months. Anyone was able to review the list of stakeholders and weed out sockpuppets, hundreds were removed that way. UF's sockpuppet accounts were gone from the list before taint analysis began and the registrations ended. You keep trolling and insisting that UtopianFuture had 100s of sockpuppets but it's a rhetorical fallacy as taint analysis would had weeded him out months ago, and that hypothetical scandal which would way worse than UtopianFuture padding fake popularity in NEM back in January. The reality is this - NEM has over 1000 veteran stakeholders and it has the fairest distribution in crypto history. That's compared to your NxT / Qora / Sim which had distributions to less than 100 accounts (of which, due to lack of taint analysis, was arguably only a dozen or so real people). . UF has already admitted to having more sockpuppet accounts than you are willing to admit he had, ergo, your opinion is meaningless. Well UP's action is hard to defend but dude you have to stop. NEM has 1000 veteran member, check for yourself. NEM will go on without a "leader" NEM has 1000+ veteran members. UtopianFuture has been replaced already but it's going to be a FUD vehicle repeated for the next years. "omg guys, did u hear dat utopianfuture made fake accounts to promote NEM back in January.. omg omg.. dump yo NEM" "NEM falls to $4 - is NEM dying?!" I'm familiar with all the coins out right now and NEM still looks like the best bet. I'm also a NXTL stakeholder but I'm convinced that coin is full of sockpuppets, since they never did taint analysis like NEM. |
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What IPO scam? Most people bought their NEM stake between $5 to $50 and currently hold stake worth $1000 - $1500. People everyday on this forum lose 100s, 1000s and 10,000s to real IPO scams.
Only thing UtopianFuture did was pad fake popularity back in January (those accounts he made were later taken off the list). Nowhere as bad as it sounds. Every new coin / project has sockpuppets advertising it. You have to, since this forum moves so far and obscure coins go to page 5 within hours.
Please watch what you are saying and protecting. You appear to be the most vocal protecting the image of UP. I am not saying you cannot, but it doesn't give me comfort to know that one is fighting so much in the crowd for the causes of UP. Fact is, he did something that was wrong in the first place and we should not even defend that anymore, unless one also a a finger in the pie. This is all water under the bridge and need no more discussions about. We should just continue moving along. The more we talk the more ugly discussions will shape up to be. In any case, this is not a thread to continue all discussions about NEM as it has too much emotions in it. Let's not allow emotions cloud our mind. I have taken the liberty to start a new thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650337Not protecting his image. Protecting his actions. Have you tried starting a coin on this website? Your coin on the announce section goes from page 1 to page 20, unless you bump it with sockpuppets like UtopianFuture did until NEM gained a community. If it were my coin / project I would had done the same thing in a heart beat. You can argue what he did was dishonest but there are far worse crimes in crypto currencies, NxT's distribution and all the IPO scams are indicative of such. There was a poll thread and close to under 50% was in favour of keeping UtopianFuture on. You may claim I am the most vocal but I am vocalizing for the silent big minority. So UtopianFuture padded NEM with fake popularity for awhile? Who cares.. what I care is that NEM has the best distribution of 3000 stakeholders, with taint analysis, and PoI innovation. |
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What IPO scam? Most people bought their NEM stake between $5 to $50 and currently hold stake worth $1000 - $1500. People everyday on this forum lose 100s, 1000s and 10,000s to real IPO scams.
Only thing UtopianFuture did was pad fake popularity back in January (those accounts he made were later taken off the list). Nowhere as bad as it sounds. Every new coin / project has sockpuppets advertising it. You have to, since this forum moves so far and obscure coins go to page 5 within hours.
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NEM is on the asset exchange.
UtopianFuture stepped down after it was discovered he padded fake popularity back in January (he later removed the accounts from the stakeholder list after the coin became popular), before the core developer team and when there were thousands of stakeholders.
The price of NEM is still within its' normal range, indicating that current stakeholders are not phased by this development.
Now if you told me UtopianFuture was Hitler's Grandson or that he actually stole money or was busted with real stake accounts, then yes everyone would be dumping (including me).
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UtopianFuture did not scam anyone. What he did was equivalent to buying fake likes on Facebook and Twitter. All he did was create sockpuppet accounts, to pad popularity in the initial weeks of NEM, and he later took them off the stakeholder list. This is a tactic done by practically every coin out there. Satoshi likely had a dozen aliases in 2009 to promote Bitcoin.
Think hard about it - UtopianFuture had nothing to do with the taint analysis (others were in charge and it was open to anyone willing to volunteer). If UtopianFuture still had his sock puppets then he would had been busted hard, no way (under any fantasy scenario) could he had kept 100s of sockpuppets (let alone a dozen or five of them).
UtopianFuture at best probably only had 2 to 5 sockpuppets total (later removed) but now he has zero and persumably no developer stake anymore.
You don't know any of this. All of your words are 100% conjecture. No, they are not. Anyone who is familiar with NEM would know that we had an open, transparent, taint analysis which last for several months. Anyone was able to review the list of stakeholders and weed out sockpuppets, hundreds were removed that way. UF's sockpuppet accounts were gone from the list before taint analysis began and the registrations ended. You keep trolling and insisting that UtopianFuture had 100s of sockpuppets but it's a rhetorical fallacy as taint analysis would had weeded him out months ago, and that hypothetical scandal which would way worse than UtopianFuture padding fake popularity in NEM back in January. The reality is this - NEM has over 1000 veteran stakeholders and it has the fairest distribution in crypto history. That's compared to your NxT / Qora / Sim which had distributions to less than 100 accounts (of which, due to lack of taint analysis, was arguably only a dozen or so real people). . |
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Those accounts were used to register stakes but they were later taken off the list. UtopianFuture was only padding up interest, at the very beginning, a common marketing technique on Bitcointalk but not completely ethical. How did you know Satoshi didn't create a dozen fake aliases to promote Bitcoin back in 2009?
Utopian padding up fake interest in the beginning doesn't change the fact we have outstanding developers such as Jagaur.
I feel that's not the real issue here. The real issue is this Call from Above person who irrationally wants to discredit NEM due to some vendetta towards UtopianFuture. Maybe CFA is a 'tard or a sockpuppet from the Sim Coin community, I don't particularly care but what I do care about are his irritable posts and the fact he has created five spam threads about NEM so far.
Why is it only one person who is running a crusade against NEM?
Why do you keep defending UF? He admitted he messed up, why do you persist in trying to tell us otherwise? What good does it do to skew reality any further at this point? I am expressively addressing your claim that he somehow scammed people, when did not. Nobody lost their money, NEM or tokens. All that occurred was popularity hoaxing, which is a common marketing technique employed by new coins and even real world products & companies. Is it ethical? No. Is it everyday reality much like we breathe oxygen? Yes. |
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Thanks.. Im 100% done with NEM. Closing their old thread and opening a new one after a huge Scam was revealed...Horrible disappointment.
As someone out of the loop, what happened? NEM leader, utopianfuture admitted to having sockpuppet accounts for NEM Stake and to make the thread feel "Lively" after members of the forum discovered them, while he praised "fairness and equality". The backstabbing scammer he is. He never admitted to such a thing. Read what he wrote. If english is not your native language, he clearly wrote that he never intended to claim the stakes (and his sockpuppets haven't been on the stakeholder list in months). All he did was equivalent to fake likes on Facebook. Even Satoshi probably had fake aliases promoting Bitcoin back in 2009. No one was scammed. Perhaps hoaxed, in the initial weeks, but that's it. |
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Only thing UtopianFuture did was create aliases to create fake popularity / interest in NEM in the initial weeks. Everyone new coin / project does that on Bitcointalk. Satoshi probably created a dozen fake aliases to promote Bitcoin back in 2009.
You have absolutely NO PROOF of this WHASTOEVER. Stop pretending that just because other people might also do bad things, that makes UF not so bad. You are just running your mouth because you are afraid this f'up is going to destroy your entire investment. Just man up and accept the fact that Utope screwed himself. AND THEN we will begin the process of healing. Cease and decease with the ad hominems. As I have informed you once before, your entire argument is a logically fallacy. You keep asserting a negative proof / burden of proof. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proofI take it you have never stepped inside of an university, but if I said that about you then that would be an ad hominem response. Sometimes people are too stupid to reason with, which itself is a logical fallacy called ad nauseam. |
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Those accounts were used to register stakes but they were later taken off the list. UtopianFuture was only padding up interest, at the very beginning, a common marketing technique on Bitcointalk but not completely ethical. How did you know Satoshi didn't create a dozen fake aliases to promote Bitcoin back in 2009?
Utopian padding up fake interest in the beginning doesn't change the fact we have outstanding developers such as Jagaur.
I feel that's not the real issue here. The real issue is this Call from Above person who irrationally wants to discredit NEM due to some vendetta towards UtopianFuture. Maybe CFA is a 'tard or a sockpuppet from the Sim Coin community, I don't particularly care but what I do care about are his irritable posts and the fact he has created five spam threads about NEM so far.
Why is it only one person who is running a crusade against NEM?
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this NEM Community should be strong enough to hold togheter. UF has done so much work for NEM, he has supported you all the way and every question of you has been answerd by UF. Utopian has shown so much courage and engagement in this project, he has sacrificed so much energy in this project. Yes he has done a misstake but everybody isnt free of mistakes.
Utopian stabbed ur back, lying and laughingly. He did nothing but collect work on his way to his OWN SELFISH FINANCIAL FREEDOM. developers and community are his slaves. how can u not realize this after all? people are so delusional. Wow. Sorry Come from Backside, i dont know whats ur intension. You put so much engery to discredit NEM, this is very questionable. UF just created some sockpuppets at a very early stage, aannnd now? the reaktion of this incedent isnt justified imo. It seems more than a campaign against NEM now. Like Politicans trying to find dirty things from the Opposite in before a important Election. Your plan is very Transparent Come-from-Analexit. He's trying too hard and he's the only one running this crusade against NEM. It's one thing if UtopianFuture actually scammed someone, which he didn't (and if he did then nobody would be defending NEM). Only thing UtopianFuture did was create aliases to create fake popularity / interest in NEM in the initial weeks. Everyone new coin / project does that on Bitcointalk. Satoshi probably created a dozen fake aliases to promote Bitcoin back in 2009. |
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All he did was create fake accounts, at the very initial beginning, to pad up popularity in NEM. Every coin does it. He later took those fake accounts off the stakeholder list, so he never intended to cash out. His one developer stake was worth more than 40+ sockpuppets and other people were handling the taint analysis.
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Has the distribution occurred yet? I apologize in advance if the answer is right in my face, but I don't quite see it.
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Satoshi likely posted under different aliases, at the very beginning, to make Bitcoin look more popular than it really was
its beyond me how u can come up with such impudent excuses now. are u not ashamed? do u want to challenge utopianfuture TaunSew? :0 CfA, clearly you have not grasped that it's entirely possible all these people you are attempting to reason with are one person- UP, who owns most of the NEM stake. This oversight is probably how you got snagged in the first place. It's a basic problem with this communication medium. -bm u do have a solid point there -bm do you even realize how much time you've probably spent having discussions with these sock puppets? practically everyone on the nxt forums are anonymous. Takes a little while to figure out who are the real people. it's fairly obvious most of the people posting(pro-NEM) are native chinese speakers. -bm Really? Most NEM stakeholders have impeccable grammar and spelling. This CFA keeps spelling "you" as "u" (in addition to other other irritable errors) and doesn't know how to space paragraphs. You also can't figure out something called capitalizing letters. If you're going to resort to an ad hominem that we are "native Chinese speakers", at least set the standard (of the english language) yourself. |
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