Oh relax. Understand this simple thing: You cannot prove that your god exists but worship him through faith. Faith which only you can see and understand. The rest is made up assumptions.
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Some numbers: (1) Christianity: About 2.3 billion followers. (2) Islam: About 1.5 billion followers. (3) Judaism: About 14 million followers. Looks like just shy of 4 billion people have this faith you speak of. How do you know another's faith.... it's a personal thing. Faith is your own thoughts and beliefs. Yes you can share a similar faith with others, which are shown by the numbers above, but your own faith is personal to you. Hence my comments above.... It's easy to understand the basics of where your faith lies. If you had faith in God, you wouldn't be lying about the fact that you know He exists. Why not? Because then your faith would cause you to love Him, and you would be working on getting other people to be saved. As it is, you are only a liar.  |
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No god = no judgement = nothing to worry about.
Me = Winner!!!!
Yes, God = Detailed judgement = Don't worry >>> instead change. You = wiener!!!! Still waiting for you to prove your god's existence. You keep talking about him/her/it..... well have them post a selfie. They can't so your words are only false statements. What? You won't admit that you understand that God exists from my proofs? Hey, I have this and that to do... |
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If you would take the time to carefully examine the history of the Bible, and the History of the Hebrew people, even you would understand that the Bible is an eye witness record. However, if I am wrong about this, it is only because you wouldn't understand much of anything. You are wrong because you falsify facts. You claim it is an eyewitness account, then how can someone be a witness to an imaginary person talking to no-one? There was no witness. It is simply a fairy tale. Maybe you are not quite as smart as you believe you are? What does it matter how smart I am? The point is that, in the things pertaining to the existence of God, YOU know two things. You know that God exists, and you know that you can never prove that He doesn't exist. If you wait for the judgment, you won't have time to believe in God. Since you know that He exists, now believe in Him, and so save yourself from destruction in the Lake of Fire. |
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Problem is BADecker you only take your proof so far.... you need to keep going.
You continually say that cause and effect are proof..... then the simple answer is what caused your god?
You cannot make an assumption to meet your needs.... that is not proof.
That my furry little friend is the law of science.
Imagine that you get some lumber together, some nails, a hammer, etc. You build a shed for yourself. Do the laws of the nature of the shed have anything to do with you? Is the shed ever as complex as you are? The universe is a shed that God built. As you can go in and out of your shed, so God can go in and out of His universe. But the simple laws of the shed universe never apply to God except when He wants them to. Cause and effect are laws of this universe shed that God made. They don't apply to God except that He wants them to. God always was, is now, and always will be. There is nothing that caused Him. Cause and effect are things of this universe. Yet God has allowed Himself to be affected by the causes of mankind. He doesn't have to do this. But He does, because of His nature, which is different than anything of this universe, except where He allows similarities. Stop being so dishonest. Understand this about God. Oh, that's right. You DO understand about God. You are simply dishonest, and so you don't admit that you understand. |
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Dude your "evidence" roundabout to "there's God because I say there is and you say there is because there's a book that says so and that same book says that book is true". There's no scientific evidence of anything. That's okay... since you apparently are among the people who don't understand how to work with the laws of science. But you must be blind to not be able to see the machine nature of the universe, right? |
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Hey, I think terrorism in western countrys own fault.  That's the total point. 9/11 was an inside job. |
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So where is your proof of a god that can cause and effect the whole operation of the universe?
Once again you have not followed through with all of the evidence or thesis. You haven't proven anything but made a simple assumption to meet your need.
You only need to admit that you have no proof, and you only feel that your god is real.
Once you do that, you will begin to understand that religion does not have proof, but relies on the faith of it's followers.
Oh, relax. Understand this simple thing, that since you aren't able to understand that God exists, you will never have the tiniest ability to understand how He affects the operation of the whole universe. However, when the time is right, God, Himself, will prove it all to you, face to Face. But by then it will be too late for you to be saved. Just live your life in the joy that you can find. Maybe God will even allow you to find salvation someday. For the moment, go out and play with the other kids. Oh relax. Understand this simple thing: You cannot prove that your god exists but worship him through faith. Faith which only you can see and understand. The rest is made up assumptions. Just live your life in the joy that you can find. Maybe you will grow up and stop believing in fairy tales. For the moment, go out and play with the other kids. All the other people can see that you can't prove that God doesn't exist. This means that you are either ignorant, or a liar, when you say God doesn't exist. Thank you for being out there playing with the other children rather than trying to prove God doesn't exist. Why don't you at least become an agnostic? |
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No god = no judgement = nothing to worry about.
Me = Winner!!!!
Yes, God = Detailed judgement = Don't worry >>> instead change. You = wiener!!!! |
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Anybody who calls God a sky god, doesn't have enough understanding to see that God is God not only of the sky, but of everything else, as well. God is an euphemism for the unknown, just that. Has no physical or literal form, never spoke to anyone and doesn't care about us at all. It's our way to justify the unjustifiable, the way of pretend to do something by doing nothing, like praying. The literal God is no more than attempts to scam and profit on people's fears. The Bible is full of witness reports of God speaking to people. Let's hope God talks to your heart to change your beliefs, before the time comes when He will reveal Himself to you in the judgment. If it's the judgment, you will have no more chance to change, and it will be too late for you. An imaginary person talking to no-one and no-one is there to record it, yet you call this witness? Hmmmm delusional much? If you would take the time to carefully examine the history of the Bible, and the History of the Hebrew people, even you would understand that the Bible is an eye witness record. However, if I am wrong about this, it is only because you wouldn't understand much of anything. |
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The reason you don't see the curve with regular human eyes at 3,000 feet is because of the fog and other gases that obstruct our vision(unlike watching a ship sail on through clear skies), you utter dumbass, like, are you retarded?
Why didn't you include a pic of a plane at high altitudes, where you can see the curvature? Oh yea, cause you're trying to back up your false viewpoints with selective imagery
No. The reason they don't see the curvature is that they are looking through perverted eyes. Their perversion keeps them from seeing much of anything the way it really looks. |
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Go ahead and tell that to that african priest who had too much faith in his powers of controling the nature and got killed by lions. Try it yourself, in fact. Go to the zoo, have faith in my words and jump into the lions cage. Don't be scared, have faith, and you will be able to control them. Come back with pictures, okay?
That isn't faith. It might be faith simulation, but it isn't faith. Of course, if it were faith, it would happen according to the "wishes" of the person who had the faith. That is faith. "Faith simulation" doesn't even make sense. That african priest did exactly as Peter supposedly initially did, walking on water(before he lost faith and started to sink). Either way it shows that either 1) The priest didn't have enough of this imaginary thing called faith, 2) God doesn't exist, obviously and hence he died in vain for believing in something that was never there to begin with. Faith simulation is when someone attempts to believe that he has enough faith. Peter had enough faith as long as he kept his eyes on Jesus. Proof of the existence of God is both a science thing, and a nature thing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. In any event, you have stated that God doesn't exist. Prove it by showing the vast knowledge that you have... knowledge that knows virtually every corner of the macrocosm and microcosm, plus all the dimensions, so that we all know that you have checked everything out to be certain that God isn't out there somewhere. If you fail in this proof, then you are at least ignorant about your atheism, but are probably a liar. Why a liar? You are capable of realizing your lack of knowledge of some areas that God might exist in, and yet you say that God doesn't exist. |
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Gun control is useless as long as there are people who sell firearms illegally. The government conducts test to know if you are responsible of owning a gun but I think they should concentrate more on bringing down illegal firearm vendors because that is where most of violent, insane or criminally-minded people get theirs.
You forgot to mention all the unlicensed people who make and sell guns lawfully, even if Government says they do it illegally. Could you explain how it is legal to produce and sell the weapons if you don't have the license for it. It seems to me that this is impossible. I have a weapon and I love it. I am advocating that a man could always carry the weapon and was ready to protect myself and others. Legal has to do with the things that people say and write. Somebody, or some group, write the words, "It is legal [or illegal] to produce and sell guns without a license." If you and your little group say it is legal, then it is. The people who say it is illegal are just people. They are not gods. They are not any more people than you are. The question is, who is the stronger, you or they? The lawful part already is listed under ideals of private property throughout the Constitution and Amendments, and specifically the 2nd Amendment when talking about guns. But you have to be clear that the guns are your PROPERTY. Don't call them guns when there is a court contest. |
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The FBI Just Released Never Before Seen Photos of 9/11 Pentagon Wreckage After surreptitiously releasing to the public one week ago, the FBI unceremoniously announced today the unprecedented release of never-before-seen images from the attacks of September 11, 2001, and some of the pictures evoke still more questions.
Others could be seen as putting to rest a popular theory American Airlines Flight 77 never actually smashed into the Pentagon.
The FBI Vault release is minute in size, to say the least — with a mere 27 images comprising the file — and does not include video, audio, nor anything other than photos.
But, given the stony silence from the U.S. government toward families of victims of the attacks, even the meager disclosure is a welcome morsel of information with the potential to provide answers.
Indeed, in the very first image, labeled plainly, "9-11 Pentagon Debris 1," a single piece of wreckage sits isolated on a parcel of lawn — bearing the American Airlines logo and marked with letters and numbers. Read more and look at the pictures at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/fbi-releases-dozens-never-seen-photos-911-wreckage/.
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Anybody who calls God a sky god, doesn't have enough understanding to see that God is God not only of the sky, but of everything else, as well. God is an euphemism for the unknown, just that. Has no physical or literal form, never spoke to anyone and doesn't care about us at all. It's our way to justify the unjustifiable, the way of pretend to do something by doing nothing, like praying. The literal God is no more than attempts to scam and profit on people's fears. The Bible is full of witness reports of God speaking to people. Let's hope God talks to your heart to change your beliefs, before the time comes when He will reveal Himself to you in the judgment. If it's the judgment, you will have no more chance to change, and it will be too late for you. Witnesses... funny isn't it? When there were no cameras, no microphones, God looked like a parrot speaking with everybody. Now he is just as silent as rock! As for the "judgment thing"... that's exactly the kind of gullible fears religion is exploiting. I apologize. I had thought you understood about such a thing as witnesses. Keep on studying. You will get it sooner or later. Talk about the coming judgment is warning. However, when you are young, you feel like you can rule the world. Stuff about death is almost fictional to you. Let's hope you live long enough to realize that death and judgment are real things. |
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Go ahead and tell that to that african priest who had too much faith in his powers of controling the nature and got killed by lions. Try it yourself, in fact. Go to the zoo, have faith in my words and jump into the lions cage. Don't be scared, have faith, and you will be able to control them. Come back with pictures, okay?
That isn't faith. It might be faith simulation, but it isn't faith. Of course, if it were faith, it would happen according to the "wishes" of the person who had the faith. |
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Oh I just love these discussions
Round earth can be witnessed personally when looking at sea, farther out. We can only see the top part of the ships, which means the distance between me and the ship is curved and not flat.
But, but, but... The flat earth people will tell you that all that is, is part of flat earth perspective... which is different than standard perspective we all live with and use everyday. |
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I really am not trying to keep you from believing the things you want to believe. But you are believing something that is false according to your statements. God created evil without being evil, and I explained how He could, and why He would, do such a thing, in previous posts in this thread. It is impossible to create a concept without knowing what the concept entails. God created evil knowing exactly what evil was and all it would do. God is evil, use logic sir. Spoken like a true human weakling who thinks he knows what the Great God is like. |
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Gun control is useless as long as there are people who sell firearms illegally. The government conducts test to know if you are responsible of owning a gun but I think they should concentrate more on bringing down illegal firearm vendors because that is where most of violent, insane or criminally-minded people get theirs.
You forgot to mention all the unlicensed people who make and sell guns lawfully, even if Government says they do it illegally. |
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There are many unconscious reasons people believe in religious faiths. While many people find comfort and joy in their religious practices because of their moral teachings there are other reasons they're drawn to their faith as well. For many people faith was a part of their upbringing and they want to continue their families traditions. Faith plays an important role in our culture and reason has been part of the human race from time immemorial and it will continue to be part of us.
I agree that for the many people religion is just ritual, part of culture or tradition etc. Still, it's not only answer why so many people follow religion and believe in God. Many people can't find purpose in their life. They feel that is some highest truth and purpose out there. Other people, like Einstein, through science understood that must be creator, God, who created all this miracles and whole universe. Some people had spiritual revelations and talked with God. There are no simple answer why so many people believe in God and religion. The answer is simple. A lot of people are gullible, uneducated or just plain stupid. The rest is just 'going with the flow' for family, culture and tradition sake. Most religious wackos do not really believe that they consume the actual body of Christ when they swallow their cracker every Sunday. If they do, they are simply delusional. Religion is a business. Science proves, and nature shows, that God exists: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. The details of what God is like can be found in combining the proof in the links with all the things you can see in nature, in yourself, in other people. God makes things work. The proofs show this. He has nothing to do with originating destruction, but since people and the devil seem to like destruction at times, God even makes destruction work for them. BADecker principle rule number 1: "If a point of discussion does not meet criteria of one's own belief, then ignore the context and claim it is wrong". Therefore, your proof is wrong, so please give me proof. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riCTEhezcYw Burden of proof lies with those who claim god exists can be found here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8 Answer to the first cause argument can be found here. To be honest, it's very hard for me to object to something both to one and to another person. I believe in God, but not in his material existence. And at the same time I know that science will never confirm this. Jesus God has a material existence. Ha ha ha ha..... Only problem is that you cant prove that. Its all faith that you believe this to be true. Whether or not I can prove it, let's hope you come to believe in Him, before He has to prove it to you, Himself, in the Judgement. If you come to know it in the judgment, there will be no chance for you to believe and be saved. |
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