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2481  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Risks Of Bitcoin Going To Zero Has Gotten More Lower Than Ever on: November 14, 2020, 01:54:26 PM
It will not go to 0 as long as there's use. It can be speculative, or as a darknet market currency. It really doesn't matter. Even old RPG game tokens have some value, but when game servers get disconnected this value goes to literal 0.
According to your view bitcoin will be valuable even if it is not pegged with fiat currency but there is a problem with that as you cannot use bitcoin as currency in the darknet market place and how can you speculation without having a valuation pegged to it  Tongue. If you are going to tell that bitcoin will be pegged with altcoins then you are claiming that even if bitcoin becomes worthless altcoin will move forward  Cheesy.

I do not foresee a situation where the price of bitcoin becomes worthless and hence there is no point in discussing this even for speculation.


I did not say anything about fiat currency. I said that it will never be worth 0 as long as there is use. By use I mean any case where the currency is needed. If you need it just to fulfill a dream of owning it, it is a use. Trading and speculation is of course a use. As for altcoins, on the contrary. I believe that if Bitcoin ever goes to 0 they will disappear as well.

 
2482  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Anybody else still give a damn about election? on: November 13, 2020, 04:52:42 PM
I don't care but for different reasons. I don't feel affected by elections held outside my country. I don't even feel like anything changes in EU parliament. People change and I feel like the governments used to be built on the idea of greed and socialist redistribution and it is still the same decades after the fall of the Berlin Wall. You're much healthier when you focus on the politics that actually influence your life like your local town council.
2483  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Didnt store 12 word phrase for coinbase wallet on: November 13, 2020, 04:35:15 PM
You won't be able to get the wallet from coinbase, but maybe there's a way to roll back the removal process and bring the old wallet back. I'm not an expert in file recovery, but if you had a lot of money stored there it wouldn't hurt to ask mobile recovery store if they'd be able to do it. Some files are kept in cache and temporary folders, maybe some of those managed to survive, but it's important that you don't install any new software in place of the old one. It looks like you've already tried to reinstall the wallet.
2484  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Regrets? Past BTC Sale(s that would look CRAZY Today! Poll. :( on: November 13, 2020, 04:28:31 PM
My strategy in Bitcoin was that I'd skim a bit of profit from the top every time Bitcoin would break a significant level and hold the rest. I always tried to make it so that if I made 0.1 BTC from a signature campaign, I'd make sure at least half of it is held to increase my balance every year. When the price was low like 2015,16, I'd hold, in 17 and early 18 I'd still hold most of it but try to spend what I was earning at the time. Second half of 2018 and first part of 2019 was accumulation again and I spent some profit during the holidays of 2019 and so on.
As a result I still hold coins from 2015 and have never spent a single coin on a ponzi scheme or shitcoins.

My greatest failures?
Sold BCH early and missed the 2018 pump.
Sold some BTC in 2016. It was very little, maybe 0.1BTC, but the price was sub 1k USD, so I still consider it a huge missed opportunity.
2485  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Should People who don't pay taxes be allowed to vote? on: November 13, 2020, 04:11:49 PM
VAT is taxation too... or those who can optimize their taxes to get to a perfect 0 ?

That was my first thought as well. There's so many taxes that we pay like excise, property tax, VAT, import duty, road tax. For isntance, I don't pay income tax, but I pay all the previously mentioned taxes. I buy government supplied natural gas, electricity and water. When I want to get anything done (permits, documents), I pay for them. I own land so I pay for it too. I pay my medical bills and such. Why shouldn't I be allowed to vote? Does income tax, which I consider unjust, disqualify me as a conscious voter?
2486  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Risks Of Bitcoin Going To Zero Has Gotten More Lower Than Ever on: November 13, 2020, 03:28:20 PM
It is impossible for me to imagine that the price of Bitcoin will ever go zero. Because the price of Bitcoin is 1 BTC = 1 BTC, so bitcoin should never be zero.

This thread is about BTC price in USD. At least that's what almost all posts focus on. You could say that the value 1BTC is 1BTC, but when we talk about its price we mean fiat currencies. Bitcoin is exchangeable so going to 0 means 0 USD, EUR, GBP...
It will not go to 0 as long as there's use. It can be speculative, or as a darknet market currency. It really doesn't matter. Even old RPG game tokens have some value, but when game servers get disconnected this value goes to literal 0.
2487  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Your keys, your bitcoin? on: November 13, 2020, 03:19:06 PM
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Do you believe someone who stole a private key would go to court to prove ownership instead of moving the coins to his address?

Doesn't that make our situation even worse?

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Moving the coins might be one of them.

Okay, if a thief moved our coins, did he thus prove he is a valid owner?



Worse for the original owner, but not for the new owner, as it would allow that new owner to prove that he controls the coins and to argue that a year or 2 before he also was able to control the coins (even if that's a lie).
Moving coins proves you are the owner. Whether it's a valid owner is another thing. Valid enough to spend, that's for sure.
2488  Economy / Economics / Re: Biggest threats to the price of Bitcoin. on: November 08, 2020, 10:46:14 PM
Can a temporary dip or a flash crash be considered a threat to the price? Bitcoin is strong enough to hold its value more or less. By more or less I mean the yearly lows and highs.
Take a look at the charts and statistics for Bitcoin. Every year the lows are becoming higher. If I remember correctly there was only 1 year in the history of bitcoin where the low price was lower than in the previous year, which means that the price is moving up, even if you're unable to see it at first glance, because like most people you're looking at high prices and pumps instead of watching the lows that really indicate what's going on.
2489  Economy / Economics / Re: Real estate vs. Bitcoin on: November 08, 2020, 10:30:55 PM
I am use to estate business over 10 years which I have use it to make good income from the business. But since covid-19 came it hard me to maintain the same profit I use to make.
Just few some few days I tested bitcoin investment I came to discover that bitcoin is more faster than estate in profit making.

What kind of real estate? Renting flats like airbnb? Such thing was meant to generate losses in a lockdown situation. I have a friends who is in real estate, has a hotel, a few flats, 2 houses... and he lost a lot of money this year, but still managed to stay afloat because he does a mix of short and long term renting, so his short term places generated losses, but those on long time rent weren't affected.
2490  Economy / Speculation / Re: Could 2018 repeat itself? Price approaching 20K and high fees followed by crash on: November 08, 2020, 10:16:29 PM
These fees are much less compared to 2018 levels, but as we approach 2017/2018’s ATH, what is going to prevent us from having those huge fees

That situation with fees was a result of a beef of BCH devs with BTC. It wasn't a natural occurrence, but a situation which followed the segwit debate. I'm not going to explain all of it here but if you're interested there's plenty of articles from that year.
That said, it's natural for fees measured in fiat to increase when the price of bitcoin goes up. They don't go up by a lot in BTC terms, but their fiat value does, so there of course is a connection between bitcoin's fees and its price.

2491  Economy / Economics / Re: Here is a conspiracy theory on: November 08, 2020, 10:00:29 PM
I can give you a much simpler answer. If they don't find a vaccine the virus will infect everyone and maybe 1% of the world population will die. Is that a lot? It is if you're in that 1%, but the economy will not collapse, the world will not end. It's about time people accepted the inevitable. We will have virus outbreaks every now and then and some people will die, but the young, strong and healthy will live on, with vaccines or without them.
2492  Economy / Economics / Re: 1000 BTC moved after 10 years on: November 08, 2020, 09:48:23 PM
I'd keep holding but I'm not an old man nor am I sick. It really depends on your situation. I'd probably sell 1 or 2 to make my home safer, get some more security cameras, a good alarm system, a fireproof vault to keep my hardware wallet in, of course move all my coins to at least 3 different hardware wallets with a backup for each of them. Get some additional safety features like fire sprinklers, some guard dogs, maybe even hire a security company to patrol the area. With that much money at home it might be worth it.
2493  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: American election is nothing to do with BTC on: November 08, 2020, 09:24:36 PM
Max Keiser said that Biden's win will push Bitcoin to a new ATH. This is an interesting idea that I don't completely agree with, but it will be interesting to watch how it develops in the following months. Chances of ATH hitting before Christmas are slim, but bitcoin likes to do the unexpected. A few months back most people thought we won't even break 14k this year. You can find the predictions in speculation to see that people were moderately bearish and now everything has changed in a week.

I don't see the reasoning.

Why would bitcoin go up with Biden's win? Is it because Biden will ruin the country&economy completely or is it the opposite? (restore the economy etc)

There was going to be a massive QE because of Covid19 anyway and I fail to understand where Biden is in this scenario.

It's their reasoning not mine, but according to them, Biden is going to be better for cryptocurrencies than Trump because of 2 main reasons. The first one being that Trump was openly negative and said some bad things about Bitcoin. The second is that Biden is going to be much worse for the rich than Trump, so they'll look for ways to move some capital offshore, possibly through Bitcoin.
2494  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The main driving force behind bitcoin rally on: November 08, 2020, 04:24:44 PM
Demand in the main driving force behind bitcoin. Many people are being aware about the value of bitcoin and because of what happened in the past year 2017 , many people thinks that it could reach another all time high more than before that's why they are buying now and hold until he time will come and that's the reason why bitcoin price keep on increasing now.

Demand is such a broad term. Behind demand there's always news, TA, real users staking real money. When a company buys 50 million USD in BTC there's a real purchase followed by press articles that incite google searches, new investors downloading wallets on their phones, new exchange accounts being made, new forum accounts created. All of this forms a demand. The real thing behind this rising demand is a combination of many factors.
2495  Economy / Economics / Re: Not enough Corona Virus Vaccine until 2024, at earliest on: November 08, 2020, 04:08:40 PM
Here in India, the government is already taking the necessary steps to vaccinate its citizens who are above 60 years of age. On top of that the high-priority groups such as medical professionals and students may get the priority. In total, 300 million people are expected to get vaccinated in the next 4-5 months. At this pace, by the end of next year almost everyone here will be vaccinated against COVID 19.
Are you kidding me, India have a billion population and even if anyone develop a vaccine do you have any idea how long it will take to reach a billion vaccine being produced for commercial use. You need to rethink about your stats about vaccinating everyone because it is practically impossible within a year let alone in the next 5 years.
To be frank it looks like a political statement rather than facts because it is impossible.

That's true. They probably want to calm the society down and show they're doing something but in reality they know that people will get infected before they are able to vaccinate them. With the current rate it's going to infect half of the world population in the next 2 years and by the time they vaccinate people there will be a new mutation for which a completely new vaccine will have to be made. The virus isn't that dangerous if you're healthy. They should rather distribute vitamins instead of dreaming about vaccines.
2496  Economy / Speculation / Re: Biden's winning effect on the crypto market. on: November 08, 2020, 03:54:40 PM
Some public opinion says the price of bitcoin has risen since the start of the USA election campaign. In fact, crypto assets were rising not only during the USA election campaign. In fact, before the USA election campaign, the price of bitcoin had gone up.
Even a few months before PayPal’s news adopted Bitcoin, the price of bitcoin had gone up first. But I don’t know about the rapid decline in the price of bitcoin, which came together when Bidden won the election in the USA. Maybe it’s the market reaction that should be like that: bumpy, it’s also impossible if the bitcoin charts will align steadily. Or maybe Bitcoin is undergoing a correction. But the drop in the price of bitcoin has now recovered to $15,174

Well said!
The bull market has begun before the presidential campaigns. At 10k we were already in a bull market and the Square Bitcoin purchase in October followed by PayPal's announcement made us go above 14k. I'm sure the pandemic and huge printing of USD and EUR in the recent months had also some influence on the price, not to mention positive comments from Michael Saylor whose company holds $400 million in bitcoin.
2497  Economy / Economics / Re: Waiters/Waitresses/bellboys etc just lost their jobs on: November 08, 2020, 03:28:06 PM
This reminds me of this clip. I bet one day this is what we'll have to face.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM3GM299orc




^ It won't be that fast a robot will be able to take over all human jobs. the ability of robots to do what humans usually do is still imperfect. it would take a few more years of research for robots to perfectly take over human jobs, especially to take over the jobs of waiters/bellboys.



There's also a problem with safety features. If you make the robot weak and flimsy, he'll get damaged easily and won't be able to carry as much, open doors...
If you make him strong and tough he'll be hard to stop if anything goes wrong with his programming. There will be no need for hired hitmen anymore, you'll just have to reprogram the robot to kill the owner in his sleep.

2498  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: American election is nothing to do with BTC on: November 08, 2020, 03:11:58 PM
Max Keiser said that Biden's win will push Bitcoin to a new ATH. This is an interesting idea that I don't completely agree with, but it will be interesting to watch how it develops in the following months. Chances of ATH hitting before Christmas are slim, but bitcoin likes to do the unexpected. A few months back most people thought we won't even break 14k this year. You can find the predictions in speculation to see that people were moderately bearish and now everything has changed in a week.
2499  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why is Bitcoin dumping right now? on: November 08, 2020, 03:04:33 PM
I agree with the above, there's no dumping. All I can see is coins changing hands with increased volatility. When a large wave of demand hits the market there's also a high counter force working from the other side as holders who made a lot during this run up decide to take profit. This is nothing to worry about and the price is still above the 14k level which is super bullish.
2500  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: what happened to Bitcoin and cryptocurrency? on: November 07, 2020, 06:35:50 PM
Let's say China makes their own cryptocurrency and opens easy transfers between banks and their local businesses. What will happen to Bitcoin? Nothing because Bitcoin is banned in China anyway so first of all establishing a local cryptocurrency would put them in a position where they have to specifically ban all other cryptocurrencies but their own. In such case their citizens who aren't now using Bitcoin would still be unable to use Bitcoin, which means 0 impact on the market if you ask me.
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