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1681  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: should I be concerned about the history of bitcoins when buying them ? on: May 29, 2022, 07:44:22 PM
Well, hypothetically some dumbass crriminal could sell their dirty coins on a p2p market and the buyer will have an unpleasant talk with law enforcement if they will be identified, for example by moving their coins immediately to a centralized exchange. Does this happen often? Probably not, I never heard about such stories. Lots of people trade on p2p exchanges without such problems.

What's a dirty coin? Since you cannot delete nor destroy bitcoins, provided that bitcoin continues to exist for another 100 years, most coins will be dirty to some extent. We shouldn't make a big deal out of it. You cannot be responsible for what someone else did with their coins. For instance, a lot of coins were taken from onion marketplaces by the police and then put on auctions, so these are "dirty coins" but they will never be clean again.

IMO we should stop worrying about things that we don't control and history of coins we are buying is one of these things.
1682  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Soros Fund Management CIO Hints at Bitcoin Ownership on: May 27, 2022, 09:40:32 PM

Not really sure how we could say he is concern about WW3. The rest in the forum were saying to Zelenskyy to make peace with giving up some region of Ukraine to  finally end the war. Sorros encourages to  crush Putin.  This man is really mad. You would really wonder how this guy can decide what a country would do to deal with their problems. Its a country's internal affairs.

But I think Sorros is betting against Bitcoin since CBDC is coming and is planned to be used widely through the Swift system. He did it against Yen and GBP.


CBDCs are not undermining bitcoin. Only stable coins should be concerned by this because it's more or less their equivalent, just owned and backed by banks instead of private companies.
Bitcoin is more of an investment and a decentralized form of money than a stable coin and it does not compete with centralized money. CBDC will still be fiat-based. If a central bank issues a digital currency and the country goes into recession, hyperinflation, defaults on debt, their digital currency will take a hit, just like fiat.

IMO there's not much difference between old fiat money and new digital version of fiat money.
1683  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Any changes experienced within body - Gambling??? on: May 27, 2022, 08:25:47 PM
and that now he has an allergy, that allergy went to the doctor and he referred him to a dermatologist, there they told him that he had psoriasis and that he had to sleep well and change his diet, but above all put aside the stress caused by the gambling.

I think it's not sense to point out that it's related to gambling. Mental stress is an obvious thing but allergy? It doesn't ring a bell. Your friend, even prior to doing gambling, might already have had that condition for a long time now. It's just that while currently addicted to gambling, the skin problem occurs at the same time.

Better consult an expert about it but surely, it's not because of gambling. It's not good to be an expert to ourselves when we noticed some worst changes in our bodies. We should not relate it to gambling and think that by stopping that activity, everything will be all right now.

It may not be an allergy but a change in skin that's triggered by stress or mental problems. For instance, children can have rashes that look like an allergic reaction but the real reason for it can be fear or pain. Such rash often appears when they're teething.

I don't have any problems before or after a gambling session, but we can say that depression after losing some money is enough of a symptom to really think twice before betting a lot of money Wink
None of us likes that feeling
1684  Economy / Services / Re: Looking for european persons on: May 27, 2022, 07:56:52 PM
With the amount of money he's paying I'm sure he needs verified accounts, so if anybody has their identity for sale for a few hundred bucks, this is a job for you.
That said, I know a few drunkards who would call this a sweet deal Wink
1685  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So my portfolio is down %70...too late to pull back now I guess on: May 27, 2022, 07:29:50 PM
Traders and investors will tell you that it doesn't work like that. You take a loss whenever your asset goes down in value, you just don't accept this it but cannot deny that it is there. You can see it being down 20% and think that you'll wait for recovery, but what if this recovery takes 10 years? You will be at a loss the whole time even if you won't accept it, it will be like your money's frozen. You won;t be able to use it because using it would mean accepting the loss and selling at this new low price.

Don't worry though. throughout my time in Bitcoin i was at a loss in my first bear market in 2016 but i took it like a man and held. Then we had that drop in 2020 and I was at a loss again, but I held. There's almost no way that we're going to revisit 2020 lows ever again. Just think of the worst and be ready for it. 20k this year? Bring it on. Once we reach the lows there will be only higher prices from that point.
1686  Economy / Speculation / Re: First In Bitcoin History (or did it ever happen?) on: May 27, 2022, 06:16:19 PM
I don't see any significance in the number of red candles. I feel like the % drop and transaction volume are mor significant indicators of what's going on.
You can have a lot of red candles that barely move the price and you can have a single one that takes us down by 30% what would you rather have? Cheesy

If you really want to get into details just check how much we were going down each week in 2018 and what volume that was and compare it to what's happening now.
In February 2018 we went down 30% in 1 week with volume reaching 70k bitcoins on bitfinex alone. In that "big crash" in May (which really wasn't big) the weekly volume was just 10k bitcoins. This tells a lot about how much supply is being held and how little is being used to determine fiat price. The market is much more mature.
1687  Economy / Speculation / Re: Don’t rush to buy Bitcoin on: May 26, 2022, 09:15:07 PM
I have a question to all of you who, like OP, think we could have an over 80% correction from the top. What makes you think that it will happen?

Sure, it did happen in 2014 and in 2018, BUT... If you were betting at a fighter who won 2 fights in a row, you'd think his chances of winning against another opponent are high because of his past performance. In reality, his chances are based on many other factors like, to begin with, the opponent himself.
The fact that you had 2 car accidents doesn't mean a third one is waiting to happen. You know where I'm going here.

Bitcoin is changing, evolving, and the best example of it is the last bull run that surprised most line drawers who based their predictions on bitcoin's past performance. According to them we were supposed to go to 200k usd because that would be 10x the ATH, pretty much like in 2017. We all know how these predictions aged.
1688  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is going on??? on: May 26, 2022, 08:56:09 PM
there is a lot of pressure out there, war,  inflation, bad news about btc which makes bitcoin prices go down, but in my opinion inflation is the main factor that bitcoin is getting weaker where the need for money is increasing where commodity prices are skyrocketing

Inflation does not pressure BTC, it's actually great for it.
Your fiat money goes down in value very fast which means all other investments that inflate at a slower rate start looking much better.

It's actually what the governments and Wall Street do that makes Bitcoin trade lower. Traders don't care about bitcoin, they want to make money, so they borrow it, but now the government makes them pay extra fees. By increasing rates the governments put additional fee on people with loans, which makes them sell assets to cover this fee, or simply resign from their positions and use the money pay back their loans. This is what's happening with bitcoin. It's doing great, just that gamblers who play with borrowed money can no longer play. The big manipulators are defaulting.
1689  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: El Salvador will be the richest country in the world in 8 years? on: May 26, 2022, 08:21:39 PM
Bukele is going all in on this and although I love bitcoin I'm not sure if it's a good idea. I like his dedication though and I think he will eventually come up on top. The problem is people can turn on him if he doesn't produce results in a few years. For the average Joe and Jane life is simple and the president has to make their life better, make them feel safe. They don't care if he does it through bitcoin, gold or even war (Russia can be an example here where people praise Putin for attacking Ukraine because they're so manipulated that it actually makes them feel strong as a country).
I'd really like to see him build his bitcoin city.
1690  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Some Fiat Financial advisors are such hypocrites when it comes to Bitcoin on: May 26, 2022, 07:59:25 PM
3. People do not need "expert" knowledge to invest in Bitcoin. You go to computer... navigate to a local Crypto exchange... open an account online and link the account to your Bank account. Then you wait for the price to drop and you buy some bitcoins.  Roll Eyes

It doesn't change the fact that people sell this "expert" knowledge. Just look for people selling courses of how to invest in bitcoin or trade it. They tell you it's easy because this line goes there and this line goes there and there's a fib level over there. Cheesy Then Musk decides it's time to dump it all and stop accepting it as payment or a shitcoin goes belly up and there goes your line.

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Say you got into the game when a bitcoin was 10 cents, around October 2010. If you invested $100, you’d have been able to buy about 1,000 bitcoins. <=== $29 610 000 worth at today's value. What will you say in 12 years from now?

You talk to us like we're some doubters who see some clown on TV and get rid of our bitcoins because he said so. I've seen so many of these clowns. Last week I saw an article about some guy who in 2021 claimed we'd reach 400k USD now changed his mind and is saying that bitcoin will crash to 8k. Some people are just morons who know shit and like to show the world how clueless they are.
There's this saying that my father likes and it translates more or less like this: do you know why the bell is loud? Because it's empty.
1691  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Don't trade your Bitcoin like Laszlo Hanyecz on: May 26, 2022, 07:27:13 PM
It was not just an ordinary trade. It was paid in exchange for a pizza. Although the pizza was actually bought by someone else who paid fiat money to Papa John's, it was actually delivered to Laszlo after paying Bitcoin to the person who made the purchase.

It may sound absurd today, but it was a good use during the time the transaction was made. And Laszlo himself didn't regret it. He loved pizza and made use of his Bitcoin which couldn't bought you anything at that time.

Laszlo was the man! He made it happen!

At that time it was a really low price to pay for what publicity this little purchase got. It showed people around the world that money is what you agree it is. That you don't need the government to tell you what you can use as a form of money and that not much work or effort is needed to be able to transact using bitcoin. I'm also sure he did not spend all his coins to do it, so it's not like he lost anything. He used it to do good.
We'll never know if Bitcoin would be where it is now without people like him who, like you said, made it happen.
1692  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Davis vs Romero: May 28 on: May 25, 2022, 10:26:37 PM
While browsing my Facebook feed I just saw this feed, Romero thinks he is the most explosive boxer in the history of boxing and when asked how he is going to be successful on Gervonta Davis, this guy just says Tank is easy to hit and their's no way he could not beat him.
His team is feeding him crap I don't know if this is just s strategy or really coming from his heart, this guy should be knocked out, so he'll wake up in the reality that he is not the most explosive boxer in the history of boxing, the guy doesn't know anything about boxing history. 

https://www.facebook.com/ShowtimeBoxing/videos/502243731696012/

He's such a clown. No wonder people don't want to bet on the stupid horse, but looks may be deceiving. He can get lucky here and then all those people who are betting 1k just to win $100 on Davis will cry.

The only advantage of Romeo here is his height, if he can use it well, then maybe he will make an upset.


Not only height but also reach. What more would you want? For him to be much younger? Cheesy
Sure, the experience is on Davis' side, but I wouldn't put them on such difference. You can get $5 for each buck put on Romero if he wins. That's too much of a difference, I feel like he has a chance there. People probably saw high early bets on Davis and followed until the pot was full. Now you just can't make any money betting on Davis.
1693  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: where does the price of bitcoin come from? on: May 25, 2022, 10:07:48 PM
The global price tickers for bitcoin are imperfect because they depend on the data sent by exchanges and only by a handful of the biggest exchanges. Also, big exchanges react automatically through bots. You cannot expect an exchange in Japan to react to a big selloff in Europe that happens in 3 am of Japanese time, yet exchanges react pretty fast when you look at the tickers.
The imperfection of this system could be seen in 2014 when Chinese exchanges were faking volume and falsifying data they were sending out. It can be seen during flash crashes when there's not enough liquidity.

Market forces determine the price of Bitcoin. The market forces are the BUY and SELL that takes places in various exchanges and trading platforms.

The invisible hand is a metaphor for how, in a free market economy, self-interested individuals operate through a system of mutual interdependence.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/invisiblehand.asp


1694  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The bitcoin price drop is an excellent time to buy bitcoins on: May 24, 2022, 09:51:04 PM
When discussing the current crypto downturn in price, I think Terra Luna and TerraUSD should be excluded because what happened with this both projects is not like every normal crash but more of an attack on the project, who actually are those who attacked this project(s)?, I don't know but I believe we all know the story circulating around of what actually lead to the downturn of this both project.
So personally, I believe what happened with Luna and TerraUSD is something unique on its own, it's an attack and not just a normal crash that the crypto market in general is currently experiencing.

The project was a scam in the first place, a ticking bomb. Those who attacked it saw its weakness and exploited it to make some money, but by exposing it they potentially stopped many people from investing in this shitcoin.
You could say that exploiting a weakness in the coin is a bad thing, but they also showed what the plan of the Tera team was and what kind of people they were. They used trust that people had in Bitcoin to pump their own shitcoin. They not only lied about the amount of money they were planning to buy bitcoin with and really bought much less than they were bragging about, but also lied that this will make their stable coin backed by bitcoin.

In the real world their bitcoin was just lying there on a privately owned account and they were hoping that the purchase would not only pump Luna and increase trust in UST, but also pump BTC and make their holdings worth more. They were ready to dump BTC on the market and they did just that, only at a loss because the players got outplayed this time.
1695  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What approach do you expect from the Government if your Country adopt bitcoin? on: May 24, 2022, 09:36:56 PM
I don't see a reason for any EU country to adopt bitcoin. They are all too scared to do it because this could potentially be seen as a weakness, an attempt to find other means of making money, a risky investment made by a country that desperately needs to make money. They will allow it to go on, but they won't officially adopt it.

Central banks see it only in black and white. Black - they adopt it and it and it fails costing them money and proving they were naive thinking it could help in any way. White - it becomes popular and undermines their fiat currency, weakening it and allowing people to use something the banks cannot control and make out of thin air. Both options suck for them.
1696  Economy / Economics / Re: How DCA Could Have Prevented Your from Losing More on: May 24, 2022, 10:13:14 AM


In a bull market, it is the opposite. Most of the projects made multiple X within a month. This time we saw the ROI is lower because the market becomes bigger. Do not look at the ROI instead look at the amount of volume or money inflow in this bull season compare to the previous one. You will be this number is getting higher in every bull season. I am also sure in the next bull season we will see multiple X cash inflow than this season but the ROI will be smaller than this season. This is the nature of crypto. The more mature the market will become the less volatile it would be.

This is a good point. If we assume that it's true and market becomes more mature with more inflows every time but lower volatility, why do you also think that over 80% drops will continue? These two assumptions contradict each other.
Also, the more mature the market the better for people who DCA because the spread is going to be smaller and so will the risk.
1697  Economy / Economics / Re: How DCA Could Have Prevented Your from Losing More on: May 23, 2022, 09:27:58 PM
I have already mentioned in my first post how to identify one. In a bear market price of most coins will gradually create a lower low. Yes, you could see some recovery after every crash but it will crash repeatedly. This is how a bear market reacts. It is not that hard to identify a bull or bear market and in every bear market, most of the coin prices went below 80% of their ATH. You can check that by yourself.

So, according to you, was the May and June 2021 a bear market? We had a low of 45k on May 12, 42k May 15, 30k May 18, 28k Jun 20 = gradual lower lows.

I don't agree with you, it's really hard to identify a bull or a bear market in cryptocurrencies. Most people identify it long after the fact.

If we are at these 80% bear market crash predictions, what are your thoughts about bull market highs? I agree that we had these ~80% pullbacks in 2014 and 2018, but those bull markets were also much different with over 1000% gains. This time, for the first time in history, the bull market (at least that's what people call it) ended with the smallest gains ever of around 350%, which is barely a third of what the previous bull markets were able to deliver.
I feel like we should compare highs and lows of the cycle instead of focusing on one side of the story.
1698  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: wwzsocki/ A big scammer on: May 23, 2022, 09:08:27 PM
Here's my subjective opinion after reading this drama thread:

OP got into some bumps along the way while he was working for wwzsocki. At first managed to produce a few original articles, but then it was much easier to mix it all up and get paid for a collage of ideas from other articles. He got caught and thought the cooperation could be coming to an end, so when he got paid more than he should, he took the opportunity and decided to bail. He removed all the conversations and left the telegram group, but was contacted and threatened on bitcointalk, so his last line of defense was to start a scam accusation first. He thought that if he later gets hit with negative trust, he will always be able to claim that it was in retaliation.
I've met more than enough snakes in my life to know how they operate Wink

Last but not least, did you really considered this guy a good writer? That last text is full of basic mistakes. You can see it was written by a mediocre non-native writer. I'm saying this as someone who uses English as a second language. If you want it done well, find a native speaker.
1699  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The worst odds of winning... on: May 23, 2022, 08:30:25 PM
I read that he withdrew and withdrew from the PGA Championship due to bad results he had on his tour, I don't follow golf very much, but at least I had the opportunity in the past to have seen his life on TV, or rather his dark side or his scandals so I don't know to what extent this is true what I saw on tv but I think that for an athlete to be successful for a long time, he needs to have a lot of discipline and no athlete will be able to be better for a long time then stop for some time and come back and have good results, this is something difficult because times change and sport is something that the more you practice the more your skills improve and the less you practice your skills disappear

I also don't follow golf much, but I know who he is and that is one of the best players ever. This doesn't say much about someone who had a long break though.
I follow sports like boxing, MMA and football and it often happens that a player comes out of retirement because they get offered a ton of money and just cannot refuse, but these matches are a hit or miss when it comes to betting. We don't really know what shape Woods is going to be. 
1700  Economy / Economics / Re: How DCA Could Have Prevented Your from Losing More on: May 22, 2022, 02:35:11 PM
Brother trust me in a bear market all of your liquidity will be drained if you do DCA. I know this because I have done it. Every month price of my project making new lower low and I can not do anything but put more money into it. Actually, I am trapped with those projects. So it will be best to wait for most of the major coins to dump over 80% from their ATH after a bull season and then start accumulating coins.

Say you actually DCA for some time, but don't want to do it in a bear market. How do you know where the bear market starts and where it ends? Take the last 12 months. The price went to 60k and down to 30k. Was that a bear market, a place where you should stop DCA? Actually no, although we were down 50%. Then we went up again and down to 40k. Was that the beginning of a bear market? Many traders argue that it was, but we were still higher than the lows of 2021, where buying was actually the right thing to do.

My opinion is that it's so hard to predict whether it's a bear or bull market with bitcoin that it's better to either DCA or wait for 50% drops to start buying and then either hold as long as you can or start slowly selling when you're up 50% and keep going the same exact way that you'd accumulate with the DCA method, just the other way round, selling 10% of your holdings every month until it crashes again.
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