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24981  Economy / Economics / Re: What would it take to convince a billionaire to on: October 16, 2017, 11:42:20 AM
put up a $6000 USD/BTC bid wall of $1 billion USD right now & replenish the wall & move that level up $1000 every week?
It would probably take a few billion dollars to do this. I know that's a trival answer, so what it would really take is for the billionaire to expect to make a profit out of this.
Once he's bought a couple dozen billion bucks worth of Bitcoins, he'll own the majority of all Bitcoins.

But isn't that what "whales" do already, on a slightly smaller scale? Pump & dump, and in the end they have more Bitcoins and more dollars than they started with.


It might be more interesting to see what happens when there is a $5000 buy wall, that moves to stay about $500 under the market price. I've seen sell walls above market price push down the price, so that must also work the other way around. If it's useless to put a buy order under $5000, you'll have to make it higher. If I'm right, this will push the price up without your billionaire spending a dime.
24982  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin = dotcom bubble? on: October 16, 2017, 11:33:49 AM
The expansion of the crypto markets with new altcoins and ICO's coming every day
Altcoins and ICOs serve one purpose: the creator wants to get your Bitcoins! Once you realize that, it's easy to see through most of them.

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What gives all these coins their value?
The fact that everybody wants them, is what gives them value.

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Maybe just a "well it's going to go up because more people want in so that they can earn money too". That's 100% the definition of a ponzi scheme
How is this different from dollars, or gold?

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The dotcom bubble burst because people were expecting enormous future profits, which wasn't backed up at all by the organic growth in the industry.
You could still argue the same for many tech companies.

I expect Bitcoin to keep growing, as long as more people join. Since only a tiny fraction of the population uses it, there's a huge growth potential. All you need is adoption, value will follow. That's also why I worry less about temporary price drops now.
24983  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What could go wrong with Bitcoin? on: October 16, 2017, 11:27:07 AM
I also wanted to be mentally prepared for the worst possible scenario.
Here you go: Bitcoin can lose 99.9% if it's value. Done.
[/sarcasm]

Why would you prepare "mentally", if you can prepare by spreading your investment? All eggs in one basket is a very risky strategy, it's great as long as it goes up, but you're literally risking everything.

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What's the possible scenario that could render Bitcoin into worthless, and what're the probabilities of that happening?
If crypto taught me one thing, it's that everything is possible. Most Bitcoins are still in the hands of a few people with very strong hands, but if they start panic-selling, the market gets flooded with cheap coins.
It can also go up 10x or more. I'm betting on that, but I don't risk everything. In retrospect, I could have had 20 times more now if I would have gone all-in when I started with crypto.
24984  Economy / Digital goods / Re: Bustabit Working Method - Unlimited Bits on: October 16, 2017, 08:07:00 AM
Here Is My review -
Deposited 2000 bits there. So far so good But I strongly believe that a losing streak can cause enough damage, and enough to finish you. I suggest OP not to sell this and make it public and keep the donation address active to receive donations. Although, It's his choice what he wants to do.
It's common sense: the house edge will eventually catch up with you.
OP can be lucky a few times, that doesn't mean it will work forever. OP knows that, that's why he's now trying to sell his "method". If it would really work, he wouldn't need to sell it, he'd break the house.
24985  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is it safe to store big amount on Tether coin ? on: October 16, 2017, 07:57:31 AM
Is it safe to keep USDT amount ~$50K on Tether wallet ?
You have to trust a private company when using Tether. From the Tether - FAQs:
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How do I know my Tether is secure?
Tether is built on top of the revolutionary and cryptographically secure open blockchain technology and adheres to strict security and global government laws and regulations.
This doesn't sound very convincing to me, I've never used Tether. If I have to rely on a third party, I'd just rely on a trusted exchange directly.

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Can Tether hold my coins for any reason, or I can withdraw them in any time ?
Withdrawing their made-up token does you no good if they fail to back it up with dollars. Remember when it traded at 91 cents? Tether Loses Its Dollar Peg:
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The price of USDT is currently sitting at $0.91 USD, which has resulted in Bitcoin trading at a premium on some of the exchanges that use USDT like Bitfinex and Poloniex.

I found this in an older thread:
Tether was always sketchy, they are totally transparent yet they don't guarantee anything.
Earlier this year after problems with Bitfinex started 1 tether was traded for 93% of USD value.
If they can create token just like that and won't offer any additional guarantees this crypto is doomed to fail.

To summarize, it's far from safe.
24986  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Research Shows Half a Billion People Are Mining Cryptocurrencies Without Knowing on: October 16, 2017, 06:03:34 AM
I did notice my Firefox often uses 1 CPU core at 100%, even though it's not doing much.
I've blocked the Coinhive site in my hosts-file, so nothing on my PC can ever connect.

Here is the raw research data to check all domain names. I don't think I use any of them.
24987  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Is there difference between continuous working and start-kill-start behavior? on: October 15, 2017, 08:23:45 PM
Could someone tell me if there is mathematic difference between next two actions:
1) I run continuously without stopping oclvanitygen until it find my prefix (max 60 days, if I totally unlucky)
2) I run oclvanitygen for 1 hour, then kill process and start again - in cycle same 60 days.
There is no difference. There's also no "maximum" of 60 days, there's only the probability (say 50% chance to find it in 60 days).
For long searches like that, I use these options:
Code:
-i -k
This gives you at least some output (case insensitive) once in a while.

If you're running searches for months, you may want to make a longer list of words to search for. By making a list with prefixes you may find more cool addresses in the same amount of time.
24988  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: October 15, 2017, 08:19:05 PM
Also, it is unclear how the fund received 10000s in GBB distributions with a GB balance on the order of 10.
It's not unclear, it's even explained in the spreadsheet you linked.
GBB is only distributed to linked addresses. Any address that isn't linked, will only get the GB airdrop. The associated undistributed GBB is added to the community fund.
24989  Other / Meta / Re: Stake your Bitcoin address here on: October 15, 2017, 11:46:42 AM
Code:
1Nof6hFWkjrf4UwFDXVGZXYyt1DN9DdS7C

Code:
I am FilipZs on Bitcointalk

Code:
HwcuUiWPZ/zXrvKDhuzb44XmJC95V7AJobvfGsgH+X56Sd1PATmsBqvJlpAUc3Q7f5MaSBVnCAA87+9BJah63ao=

Thanks all
Quoted and verified!
I find it a bit strange this is your first post though, what made you go here first?
24990  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: HyipFriends.com - New Social Network for the HYIP, BitCoin & ICO Community on: October 15, 2017, 10:55:47 AM
HYIP stands for High-yield investment program:
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A high-yield investment program (HYIP) is a type of Ponzi scheme, an investment scam that promises unsustainably high return on investment by paying previous investors with the money invested by new investors.
Your "social network" is based on scamming people.

Stealing from your "friends", great business concept Sad What's next: blackmailing your friends?
24991  Economy / Economics / Re: Which country will be the first to legalize Bitcoin? on: October 15, 2017, 10:47:48 AM
Bitcoin is already legal in many countries, see Legality of bitcoin by country or territory for a list per country.

Some countries officially recognize Bitcoin:
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Japan officially recognizes bitcoin and digital currencies as a "means of payment that is not a legal currency"
Others declared it "not illegal":
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As of November 2016 declared, bitcoins are "not illegal" according to the Federal Tax Service of Russia
(quotes from Wiki)
24992  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What's wrong with Bittrex? I want a decentralized exchange desperately on: October 15, 2017, 10:27:17 AM
So, when decided to use Bittrex, I firstly, sent an e-mail and asked them to disclose their policy about Iranian citizens and whether they apply any discrimination against us or not. After a while they answered briefly: Bittrex welcomes everyone and has no restriction or discrimination applicable to Iranians.
I'm not sure what the current state of trade restrictions against Iran is, but if there's still an international embargo, they shouldn't allow trading from Iran.
Bittrex has been restricting accounts for a while now, and their long-term plan is to only have verified accounts. In my opinion exchanges are becoming more mature as crypto grows, no more "wild west", but KYC, AML and fiat trading.

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After a while I noticed this shitty exchange, Bittrex, in the most critical periods, sets my wallets(some of them) in the maintenance mode, I objected and they answered denying any bad intentions ....
During wallet maintenance you can still trade. I don't blame them for taking down wallets for maintenance once in a while.

After 72 hours, now Bittrex has submitted me an e-mail: "your account is under review. Be quite!"
My Reply: "Go to the hell you thief! Just release my deposit, I'm done with you"
Being rude doesn't make someone at customer services work faster on your case.


My account is now in the same state as Hatcher describes:
Have users with legacy accounts encountered any withdrawal problems recently? I have a legacy account and it says I can withdraw 1337 BTC a day, and I have withdrawn 10+ BTC on numerous occasions with no problems. But since yesterday when I log in I get automatically redirected over to the Basic Verification page that has a warning on the top saying "Unverified accounts cannot withdraw from Bittrex". Although when I go to my account summary it still says that my limit is 1337 BTC and the account type is still "Legacy". So I'm wondering if anything has changed in the past few days regarding unverified "legacy" accounts.
24993  Economy / Services / Re: [CFNP] ChipMixer Signature Campaign | 0.00075 BTC/post on: October 15, 2017, 08:27:53 AM
@DarkStar_ May I suggest explaining what [CFNP] means in the OP? [FULL] was very clear, but if you don't know what [CFNP] stands for, it looks like the campaign is open.
If you explain what it means in the OP, it's a good test to see who reads before applying.

Recently, a large number of threads were trashed causing post counts to drop for a lot of people. Counting is time based in this campaign though, so if it affected you, you got a correction so you didn't lose credit for any posts. I've gotten a few PMs about this so I figured I'd make a public statement just in case.
If your post count went down, that just means you've been posting in Spam Megathreads in the past.
24994  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: want to sell btc and I do not know how on: October 14, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
Unfortunately that somebody does not have his old wallets/keys anymore. that somebody changed wallets many times and changed his btc into dash, and even mixed the coins. because that somebody believed in privacy :-(   after dash skyrocketed changed back his dash into btc and there is no way of proving where it all started. that somebody feels stupid, but at that time nobody expected crypto to go through the roof. it was a hobby.
In that case I can't think of any legal way to get your money out. Of course the authorities are gonna question "somebody" who suddenly out of nothing owns $10 million.
From the authorities' perspective, "somebody" could just as well have earned it from selling drug on the dark net, or making cryptolocker virusses.

My advice: get a better lawyer. $10 million should be able to get you a good lawyer, someone experienced in crypto, who understands what he's doing. Figure out the legal way to do this, pay your somebody's taxes, depending on the country and fines it could easily be 50%, in which case somebody still has $5 million left.
Most people can only dream of having "problems" like this.

If by now you get private messages from people who'd like to buy somebody's Bitcoins in cash, be very careful who you're dealing with!
24995  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: want to sell btc and I do not know how on: October 14, 2017, 09:15:32 PM
Where did it come from? you can say you found it, but it is not credible. and the same for 2000 BTC. if you can not show the origin, where you bought the BTC(which that somebody after all these years of trading can not show) then you have a potential problem.
If "somebody" still has his first wallet, he can simply sign a message from the address that held 2000 Bitcoin back in 2009. By signing a message he can prove he owned the Bitcoins back then.
If you can prove you got it in 2009, it doesn't matter who sold it to you. It wasn't worth anything back then.

This is a good example of why you should pay your taxes on Bitcoin. Without paying taxes, it'll be considered money laundering, and you can't enjoy your money after your $10 in Bitcoins went up to $10 million.
24996  Other / Meta / Re: Difference Between watch | notify ? on: October 14, 2017, 06:43:42 PM
Is it possible to remove a tread from my "Show new replies to your posts."-list, other than deleting all my replies in that thread?
24997  Economy / Gambling / Re: Why rollin.io closed their service ? on: October 14, 2017, 06:27:47 PM
Loyce here, until a few days ago Mod Loyce in Rollin Chatter Box. I haven't heard any official response in a few weeks, but 2 days ago I noticed accounts and stats have been reset. I made a new account Mod Loyce so I can chat again.

I believe there's no official statement from them as to why they decided to stop accepting deposits (correct me if I'm wrong).
There's this:
Our reasons to sell:
We want to give our full dedication (e.g. time & money) to other projects than rollin.io;
Due to the other projects we have, we cannot afford to risk our current bankroll with high rollers;
We are currently limited in our resources such as time, employees and money to make the casino prosper any further than it does right now.
To my knowledge Rollin hasn't been sold yet.

Such a shame, easily one of the best gambling site out there.
It was for sure my favourite.

I also don't think casino profits are always constant and they will be gaining every month because sometimes if any big whales win then their profits will be minus side.
I've seen a few whales win 60 or more Bitcoins during my time at Rollin. The price was much lower back then, at current rate that's $340,000 to risk. Of course, I've also seen whales lose those amounts, but it shows there is a real risk for the house when a single whale drops by once in a while.

Had you known the actual facts why did the website shut down you could have given a less ignorant answer.Rollin.io is in the game since a long time and they definitely didn't shut because automatically everyone started winning big.
Read my quote from Rollin.io above.

They did the business fairly and easily is as good as very few gambling sites in the market which value their players.
True that!

They stated in their selling thread*, that they have other (more profitable I assume?) projects going on
I know of one existing project and one project in the making, but I don't think it's my place to share their projects here.

Shortly before listing their site for sale they reported 2x in a week the cold wallet being drained.
It was the hot wallet, cold wallets are of course safe from online hacks.

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I'm unclear if it was hacks or a big roller getting lucky.
I can confirm this was caused by a hacker.

24998  Other / Meta / Tipping micropayments on Bitcointalk on: October 14, 2017, 03:18:42 PM
In the few times I'm looking for information on Reddit, it always makes me happy to see their on-site tipping bot is being used to tip helpful posts (although ChangeTip shut down). And every time again, I wonder why Bitcointalk doesn't have it.

Bitcointalk is the forum for Bitcoin enthusiasts, in my opinion a tip feature would be a much needed addition. I'm not the only one, it has been suggested in the past, but all threads about tipping on the forum are now at least several years old. My main reason to bring this up again, is that it's a nice social addition to the forum. One of the arguments against it used to be that you could tip anyone directly. With rising transaction fees and Bitcoin value, it's now too expensive to send a small tip on-chain.

I've collected pros and cons from old threads, and added some comments to them. My comments under the quotes aren't meant to be a response to the posts from years ago, but meant to reflect the current situation).



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Every user of the forum has a BTC balance, which is like an online ewallet where he can store his bitcoins
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next to each post, there is a button - when you click it you send 0.01BTC from your wallet to the author of this post.
At the time piotr_n posted this, 0.01BTC was worth about $0.06.

its much easier and efficient to just click a button, rather than do a bitcoin transaction.
This could be the start of a future Lighting Network node ran by Bitcointalk.

And the forum can outsource handling of the wallet/deposits to some other, trusted person or company
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the forum would have no liability here, only providing the user interface.
I don't think the total amount would be that huge to have a trust issue here - rather technical issues.
But if any forum in the world should be able to deal with the technical issues of implementing bitcoin micro-transfers, I would say bitcointalk.org is a good place to start. Smiley

If the user allows it, the total amount tipped to him could be displayed publicly as a sort of "rep."
Although I like the idea, this can be taken advantage of, just like alt-accounts can leave fake feedback.

It would make tipping easier and probably encourage more of it.

Theymos, I'm curious why you see micropayments (or forum credits) as low priority.
I agree in the sense that there are bigger problems to solve around bitcointalk, but if this can encourage more quality posts then it lifts the forum as a whole.

I'm all for it. I think it would be a nice way to reward helpful or quality posters instead of just saying 'thanks' etc. It would also encourage the flow of bitcoins and help some of the newbies aquire their first bits instead of wasting time on faucets etc.

There's likely 'no real need' for many things but it is a nice addition. How many people will actually boot up their wallet to copy and paste an address and send a tip here? A third party application just makes it more convenient and a bit of fun, not to mention you'll actually know where the money came from. I think it can also act as a nice 'plus 1' feature but one where people can actually reward with something of worth to show their appreciation.

The main feature of changetip is its a social and public appreciation.



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The problem is then that the forum must serve as a bank, a responsibility I am sure they do not want.
If Reddit can do it, it must be possible here too.

Just seems like something else that could go wrong.
I don't find it hard to copy-paste an address from someone's profile or signature.

The problem is that we'd need to pay BTC into an account to pay tips out of, similar to how the Reddit bitcointip bot handles finances, and I don't think Theymos wants anything to do with being responsible for user funds; understandably so.
Yeah, seems a bit of risk and a faf when you can just easily send people the cash without worrying about third parties.
It's no longer possible to send $0.06 through Bitcoin, even if you pay the fee, the receiving amount (1200 Satoshi) is lower than the fee needed to use it again. A tip bot would make this possible.

Maybe something like this is coming in the next forum software Tongue
I hope not. It's something which isn't needed and would be a waste of time. It's simple to copy a address and send it with a Bitcoin wallet. Least there is no security vulnerabilities to consider here at the forum.

Pretty sure this will never happen.  I don't think theymos wants the forum to be holding money for random people.

Mods don't want to do this cause it would make Bitcointalk a target for thieves looking to make a quick buck.

People have had addresses in their signatures since the forum first started. Almost no one uses them for donations. Donations are popular on Reddit only because:
- Being able to send money quickly and easily is a novelty to the people there.
- People use donations as a tool to advertise Bitcoin.

Here, people are used to Bitcoin and there's no need to advertise. If a donation system was added, I predict only a small increase in donations compared to the current situation with bare addresses.

I've thought about that before, but I think that there might be legal problems with that. It might make the forum a "money transmitter".
Would this also be a problem if we're talking about less than a dollar per user on average? Or if an external party handles it?

No one should... it's a total waste of time, resources and requires addition unneeded trust.

Copy, paste and send like normal fucking humans!

ill say it first, this is an absolutely terrible idea imo, it would cause this forum to become a cesspool of begging spam and would just make more work for the mods. "tip pls" "click tip me" "pls need $$$"

you think people complain a lot about signatures? imagine the complaints that would come against the tip button.

No one tips! It'll be completely pointless, and unused. I haven't come across a single post that someone tipped another person, or gave away coins for free.

(P.s. I'm sure they are out there, you don't have to search the whole forum to prove me wrong. But it's not very common.)



Other thoughs (quotes could slightly be taken out of context, click the link for full context):
I had an idea about that, though I'm not sure whether I'll do it. The forum could accept BTC and in return give "forum credit", which could not ever be withdrawn for BTC, but which could be used for ads and donations. Since forum credit has value, a market would develop with an exchange rate somewhat less than 1 BTC per BTC of forum credit. A micropayment system could be based on forum credit; receiving 1 BTC of forum credit would be just a less convenient and more centralized way of receiving ~0.95 BTC.

Micropayments are a very low priority in any case, though.

Bitcoin micropayments (tips) works on sites like Reddit, I believe, because of the visibility of the tips made against each comment or post. So as a community a new ethos is formed around tipping quality discussion and helpful/meaningful posts.

I've thought about this before as a forum feature. It would be kind of cool, but I haven't done it for these reasons:
- I predict that people won't use the feature very much. Donation addresses in signatures rarely receive much BTC. (Reddit's bitcointip will eventually lose popularity, I think.)
- If the donation amount is displayed, something needs to prevent people from inflating the number by donating to themselves.
- Running a Bitcoin client requires quite a bit of work to make sure the client is updated, it doesn't die, most of the BTC is held in cold storage, etc.
- I don't want anyone to use the forum as an E-Wallet. That's not the forum's purpose, and there might be legal risks associated with doing this.

I would like the money I donated to the forum go toward something like this.

I am sure that this would create a lot of scams.....similar to those that are on reddit.

In case you were wondering how the scams work:
-user A makes a "good" post/point
-user B tips user A a lot of bitcoin for the good post (user A is user B's alt)
-user B tips many of his other alts, appearing to be very generous
-user C is compelled to tip user B (who is unrelated to user B)

This would also create massive amounts of spam with people asking to be tipped for their shitty posts and people begging others who have been generous in the past

The tipping would just be for novelty. The reason it is popular on reddit is because it introduced people to Bitcoin that had never heard of it before. Everyone on this forum has heard about it so not much point.

I could see some uses for it in the Gambling section for games and sports picks though.

There are a lot of people on the forum that strongly believe that you should always 100% control the private keys to your bitcoin. Any tipping feature that is "on forum" would obviously not allow that. Some people could leave a tab open for their blockchain.info wallet, or could leave multibit open all the time. I really don't think copying and pasting an address is that big of a deal to someone when they care enough to be giving away money.

Most people won't care that much about keeping a tiny amount of btc with a third party to tip, but if they do then those people just wouldn't likely be interested in using it anyway (also sometimes it's just not possible to control your keys eg on an exchange). I'd certainly tip people if it was implemented but I'm not going to log into my wallet every time to do so just to send a bit of dust. The transaction fees wouldn't be worth it and that's where microtipping comes in.

There are pros and cons to it. I'd like to see it implemented on a trial basis at least and I'm sure it could be added and removed quite easily. It would be nice to be able to tip quality or helpful contributions and would hopefully encourage and reward quality posters, but of course some people would ask for a tip for some rubbish. Any beggars should be dealt with in the normal way though and have the posts deleted.

Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping?
This Forum Should Pioneer Micro-Tipping

24999  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Basic Income Guarantee on: October 14, 2017, 02:29:26 PM
We already give 1 token per day you can register and get them right now.
You're not giving them away, you're asking to pay $3.50. A basic income by definition gives away money, you're asking for money.

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This project is already working as a smart contract on Ethereum
That's what I call a made up token: it has no intrinsic value.

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and if you didn't catch it, I think you didn't read not only our whitepaper but even our landing page?
Think again! For the number of people you claim work on this, there wasn't much to read.
25000  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to get everyday folk interested into Bitcoin on: October 14, 2017, 12:00:13 PM
There is a small group of people that are like "ahhh the bankers, they print more and more money". This is a small group of people and many of them are loners and into conspiracy theories. Most people simply don't care about inflation.
Most people have debts. Have you ever wondered why almost everybody you know has a debt to the bank? If you did, you must also wonder where the bank gets the money. And the more you understand about how that works, the more you'll realize the debt based fiat money system can't be sustained forever.

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1) "Just by memorizing some jumbled numbers and letters or a simple passphrase you can potentially carry large sums of money in your head! You can get on a plane and fly all the way across the world and you can buy whatever you want instantly."
Now you sound like a salesman: it sounds nice, but nobody does this.

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3) "Bitcoin is the future."
It can be, but you can't know for sure. By making such a claim, you're presenting one possibility as the absolute truth.

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4) "Long ago people said the internet was just a fad.
I've never heard that phrase before. But the fundamental problem with statements like this is: you can only know who was right afterwards. You don't hear about the failed technologies anymore, MMS for example was never called a fad, it was heavily hyped, but nobody uses it.

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5) "A word document is like a webpage in the same way that money is to Bitcoin. It is universal. Someone can steal your computer and claim the word document as theirs. It is a lot harder for someone to steal a webpage when it is on the internet for everyone to see."
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but Bitcoin has proven to be the riskiest form of money around! In less than 10 years at least 10% of the total money supply has been stolen or lost one way or another.

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"Bitcoin miners solve math problems and generate blocks for transactions to go through. During this process they are rewarded a small amount of bitcoin.
That "small amount of Bitcoin" is worth $10 million per day. Now there's a way to get people's attention, until they realize mining is centralized by a few entities with cheap electricity.


I can answer this question for you though:
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How to get everyday folk interested into Bitcoin?
You don't! The reason: why would you? What's in it for you? Typically, people who joined a ponzi scheme have a high interest in getting others to join. Actively chasing people to join doesn't look good on Bitcoin.
Don't tell them, show them. This is what I did: I gave someone* 0.1BTC at the beginning of this year. Since then, it went up and down many times, some was spent, and the remainder is worth 3 times more now. He talks about it with others now, totally impressed on the increase in value compared to savings accounts, and some actually bought some too.

I don't advice people on Bitcoin, I make it very clear you can easily lose 90% or more of all money you put in. The rest is up to them.


I would prefer electronic money instead.
Satoshi called is "electronic cash". My bank account holds electronic money, which is nothing like cash.


* I don't give $100 to random people, it's someone I know of course
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