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2501  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The UEFA Nations League 2020/2021 Discussion Thread on: June 10, 2022, 09:26:51 AM
Portugal is too strong for Czech that 2-0 is enough for them to get 3 points and get first position in standings group and in the other hand for today match Austria Vs France and as defending champion France still cannot showed satisfied performance because in the last 2 matches they only get 1 draw from Croatia and lose from Denmark so against Austria today their manager targeted 3 points and i think they can be able to won the match because from history side showed France is more better than Austria
Portugal successfully beat the Czech Republic with a score of 2-0 through goals scored by Manchester City's João Cancelo and a goal by Valencia's Gonçalo Guedes. Result made Portugal managed to move up to first place with 7 points from 2 wins and 1 draw, 2 points adrift of Spain who are in second place in Group 2 of the UEFA Nation League. In the match against the Czechs, Portugal was able to appear dominant and had almost 64% possession of the ball compared to 36% of the Czech possession. In addition, Portugal was also able to record 11 kicks on goal.
2502  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [TIPS] Menghindari Investasi Skema Piramida on: June 10, 2022, 09:07:34 AM
Jadi kita sepakat skema-skema coin seperti itu sudah menjurus ke scam alias ponzi jenis baru. Para scammer memanfaatkan Eforia crypto dan mulai masuk dari pintu itu karena target uang lebih gede dan mudah karena tidak hanya 1 jenis/golongan tertentu saja, bahkan anak sekolah, gamer, ibu rumah tangga, artis dan politisi. Kelebihan crypto memang menyebar lebih cepat dibanding skema model lama karena ditunjang oleh teknologi modern.
Koin dengan APY tinggi saat ini menjadi target bagi para developer bagaimana mereka meraup keuntungan yang cukup besar, meskipun di awal - awal harus mengeluarkan modal dengan jumlah yang lumayan untuk membayar para staker. Namun sama seperti momen investasi dengan skema paramida, saat banyak staker yang lock koin mereka di satu sisi dev koin tersebut untung cukup besar karena koin mereka terjual dengan harga yang tinggi, namun staker yang sudah terlanjur tidak bisa melakukan cancel karena harga keburu dump dan mereka butuh waktu untuk mendapatkan saldo staking minimal satu harian, ditambah lagi dengan beberapa koin yang menerapkan sistem penalti jika unlock sebelum waktunya tiba.
2503  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: June 10, 2022, 04:40:53 AM
Milan looks so strong in Serie A this season.  In contrast to when in action in the Champions League.  This success provoked people to believe that the Rossoneri will talk a lot in the next season, especially if they are able to bring in new players.  If you want to return to success in Serie A and want to go far in the champions league, then AC Milan's management must immediately find the right players and as much as possible maintain players who have made a big contribution this season, because AC Milan players like Rafael Leao are now the target of many clubs such as  Real Madrid and Chelsea.
Milan have better performance on domestic league but totally failure on UEFA Champion League after stuck on group stage and failed qualify to knock out stage. I think mentality here talking more because long time not participants on UEFA Champion League make Milan not confidence face first level European competition. But Milan have good result after success with domestic league and get the first standing position, now time prepare with window transfer player before league begin and Milan can consistent again for next season on domestic league and UEFA Champion League.
2504  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: June 10, 2022, 04:20:51 AM
I've read the news and seen that Chelsea are letting Romelu Lukaku rejoin Inter if he would like now. However this is on the condition that it is going to be a loan deal. I'm not sure if this is a smart move but we will find out next season. Maybe they thought that they wouldn't be able to sell him for an amount that is even close to they bought him. I think Inter would be eager to accept a deal like this for the sake of Lukaku's incredible season before leaving. He can still have another season like that if he joins them.
I don't know what they think, I also regret from last year why Chelsea recruit a player which don't have a future or calling didn't potential player with high price. Now they regret and return with lose. Of corse it will be apportunity for inter, they will get very profit and possible will get what the target scuddeto for next session. While Chelsea, just a waste of money, maybe because of winner of champions league last year, so euphoric bought the player without plan.
What do you said about Romelu Lukaku as didn't potential player? he was success with Inter Milan and become top scorer team there before moving to Chelsea, but I see different games play on Chelsea make Romelu Lukaku have try back how to get top performance. First games success made several goals for Romelu Lukaku but after get injury he was failed back to the top performance with Chelsea. But I think Romelu Lukaku still top player nowadays and he not interested with Chelsea after several time confirmed try back to his previous team as Inter Milan. Maybe he can back to the top performance if really back to Inter Milan with under level competitive between Serie A and Primer League.
2505  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: June 10, 2022, 04:13:36 AM
Luka Modrić is about 37 years old. He can still perform very well. However, at the moment Real Madrid should not rely on Luka Modrić. Ancelotti must find a replacement for Luka Modrić.
Of course, Real Madrid knows it very well. That's why they already have 2 young midfielders (Camavinga and Valverde) who can replace the role of Modric. During this season, both of these young midfielders have performed awesome. I think Ancelotti won't be afraid anymore about Real Madrid midfield. What Real Madrid needs to be worried about is their attacking line. They still can't sign any striker till now, while some of their current strikers (Jovic and Mariano Diaz) may leave Real Madrid in this transfer window.

Between young midfielder Camavinga and Valverde I don't see have the same position for Luka Modric because he most active on attacking midfielder and focus how to build with counter attack and give service assist for Karim Benzema and Vinicius Jr. I think between Camavinga and Valverde most active as defensive midfielder and Real Madrid should looking for new attacking midfielder if want to try replace Luka Modric position. Exactly with Valverde have multi talent position not only playing well with midfielder but some time Carlo Ancelotti give him position on winger side and right defender position.
2506  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: June 09, 2022, 08:28:37 PM
AC Milan officially introduced Giroud last season, his contribution has influenced Milan's success this season, Giroud has performed successfully with Milan and I think it is too early to think about a replacement for Olivier Giroud. Italian media reported that there were no specifics about the duration of Giroud's contract at Milan, according to reports circulating Giroud was contract for one year with the option of a year extension next season. As for ibra, he is still recovering after surgery, not sure about his career in milan, but milan have Rafael Leao, so they don't have to worry too much about the milan front line squad, because it is filled with talented players.
although Ibra can not play for Milan, at least Milan's front line is not short of great players. Giroud and Rafael Leao are good options for Milan's front line. whether the club will hunt for another striker or not for next season. but there is news of Milan's interest in signing Roma star Nicolo Zaniolo. although negotiations seem to be hampered by the price that is priced by Rome which is too high.
But in this case we must also be aware that Giroud is not good enough in terms of age even though he can still survive and score goals, but in this case there must be regeneration that will allow Milan to stabilize the following seasons.
Nicolo Zaniolo was good enough last season but with his form I doubt Mou would let this player go easily, but there are several options Milan are offering now including giving up some of his players for Zaniolo.
AC Milan success with Scudetto tittle in this season but they don't have enough central forward and option with Giroud and Ibrahimovic only. Beside have potential winger like Rafael Leao I think Milan need to get new central forward for next season. They have competition on domestic league and champion league need to find new central forward most active scoring goal on every match, although not bad with Giroud perform in this season I think Milan still need to find new central forward.
2507  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: June 09, 2022, 08:21:02 PM
New offer for Mane rejected... FC Bayern poker hard. I think the transfer fee will be 35 million + max. 5 million bonus payments. 50 million Liverpool will not get, that's too much for someone who can go 1 year later for free. Liverpool will agree soon, i think so. There are only 10 million to 50. Come on Liverpool!

Given the fact that Bayern have an agreement with the player, I also do not think that Liverpool will be able to increase the transfer price even more. I think this situation is very different from the situation with Tchuameni and Monaco because there were more interested parties in the player and the contract was longer.
FC Bayern Munich I think not really have important transfer with Sadio Mane because this player as left or right winger position. There are have many option for Bayern Munich on Sadio Mane position. If transfer fee most expenaive I think Bayern Munich will not interested and prefer looking for Robert Lewandowski position than getting Sadio Mane sign's. But Liverpool looks have lost opportunity keep extended Sadio Mane on Andfield and try get challenge on other club next season.
2508  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: June 09, 2022, 08:16:19 PM
Luca Modric age is quite old and next season will be different in the quality of his game with Real Madrid. His role in the team will decline next season. Physically, they will tire quickly and will not be able to play full time.

Luka Modrić is about 37 years old. He can still perform very well. However, at the moment Real Madrid should not rely on Luka Modrić. Ancelotti must find a replacement for Luka Modrić. Because Real Madrid's midfield has been very strong so far with the help of Luka Modrić. If he is injured, the impact on Real Madrid's performance will be well visible. So this season coach Ancelotti must buy an experienced midfielder for the team.
Luka Modric have been 37 years old but still as regular player for Real Madrid last season amd have top perform were success with La Liga and champion league trophies. Madrid still not looking for replacement for Modric position as midfielder and looks not any news transfer activities who will be the next midfoelder for Real Madrid on next season. I believe with Modric for next seaaon still have top perform and can show his contribution for Madrid.
2509  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: June 08, 2022, 06:46:52 PM
Lewandowski with no doubt will be the best tranfer for barcelona if they will convince bayern munchin to sell the player, barcelona really need a player like him to recover their prestige and i really want to see him in Barcelona the next year
Lewandowski transfer to Barcelona is still just a rumor, Barcelona have shown interest in Lewandowski, but Barcelona are not yet willing to pay Lewandowski as Bayern Munich asked. Lewandowski is still very productive as a striker, Barcelona is not the only club that wants to sign Lewandowski, because many other clubs are interested in using Lewandowski services, Bayern Munich still maintains Lewandowski selling value even though he is 33 years old.

Lewandowski will contribute a lot to Barcelona, he plays much better than most people despite his advanced age and I think his performance is still pretty good. But Barcelona's financial strength is still not good and I don't think they can budget too much for an old football player like Lewandowski.
Instead of Lewandowski, a younger player who can play for Barcelona for many years can be preferred Smiley
No doubt with Robert Lewandowski reputation and performance still on the top level, become top scorer for Bayern Munich last season on Bundesliga give enough proof how top performance from Lewandowki, but still not sure with Barcelona financial how come they can pay transfer values for Lewandowski after issues with Barcelona try to cit salary several senior player like Gerrard Pique and Jordi Alba. Despite with Robert Lewandowski have higher salary on Bayern Munich.
2510  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: June 08, 2022, 06:41:19 PM
here is a nice cartoon, which shows what K. Mbappe has decided for his contract extension in paris.
and i say that psg will not win the next champions league either and therefore the trophy will still remain hidden for KM Grin

Well considering that he is still pretty young and the amount of money offered by PSG is alot, I'd say he made the 'best' decision for now. After his new contract expires, he could go to another club to pursue all those trophies so I kinda understand on why he choose to stay. Aside from that though, being rich is pretty much an alternate option for a football player as well aside from winning all those trophies
If you want to earn a lot of money of course staying at PSG is the right decision for him, but to develop his career to be better of course it is the wrong decision in my opinion, we all know that PSG is a big club but no have a competitive competition in the league 1 for so far, with Mbappe stay at doesn't that only make him career walk in place and it is certain that his career will not get recognition from world football lovers?
I personally believe that no matter how good he looks in league 1 and no matter how many goals he scores, it is difficult for him to get the best world player title if he continues to stay in a league that is not competitive at all like league 1.
Mbappe prefer choose much money and keep extended contract with PSG than to push his career and moving to Real Madrid. Have excepted if Mbappe agree move to Real Madrid and his chance with Champion League large than keep staying with PSG. Last best achievement success lead until champion league final before loaing from Bayern Munich, last season stuck on 16 round before defeating by Real Madrid. I think never have dreaming become beat player in the world if keep play on Ligue 1 because have lower rank than La Liga.
2511  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [TIPS] Menghindari Investasi Skema Piramida on: June 08, 2022, 09:11:00 AM
Banyak di forum ini pakai APY yang didenominasikan dengan koin cryptonya masing-masing, misalnya 20% per tahun tapi nanti kalau ditukar ke fiat juga belum tentu hasil akhirnya opit. Contohnya: Token Auto-Rebase & APY Tinggi
Nah itu kira-kira termasuk mainan baru ponzi juga gak?, memang agak seksi juga sampai ribuan %/ tahun. Marketingnya saya rasa cukup profesional dalam mengolah otak investor supaya tergiur dengan persen 2-3 digits. Tapi ya kalau hasilnya sama saja ketika invest (1 juta) tahun depan juga (1 juta), tidak opit juga apalagi dibarengin dengan Inflasi 3,55 persen. Jika misal, Tahun kemaren punya duit 1 juta dapat 100 lt Migor, kalo skr cuma dapat 80 lt.

Sekarang proyek investasi sistem atau model piramida merambah ke dunia cryptocurrency seperti halnya yang dikatakan saudara @mu_enrico dengan sistem dan iming - iming APY tinggi dari 20% hingga 100% bahkan ada yang lebih fantastis sampai 400%. Di awal - awal berjalan dengan bagus dan harga koin stable bahkan mengalami kenaikan, namun tidak bisa bertahan lama harga langsung turun cukup drastis, terakhir korban sistem model dan iming - iming APY pada stable koin UST dimana harga drop sangat rendah dan berapa banyak korban yang tidak sempat menjual, apalagi dengan staking di Binance butuh waktu sampai 24 jam untuk unlock koin UST. Ke depan sangat hati - hati untuk masuk sistem dan model seperti ini karena bukan untung malah dapat kerugian yang cukup besar.
2512  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: June 08, 2022, 09:00:33 AM
Yes, I already said that Pogba's adaptation in Serie A with Juventus will be faster than his adaptation to Manchester United, especially since the Premier League has stiff competition, while Serie A isn't always like that. Juventus has gone down over the last few years, before it was even less interesting to see this league, as juventus are always in front and have no comparable opponents.
Now it will be more interesting to see Serie A, as the top teams compete against each other, I will see Juventus next season join the rivalry between Milan and Inter.
Juventus are a regular team that won the Scudetto before but Inter and Milan managed to break their dominance in recent seasons. If Pogba finally lands at Juventus then I think they will be back in the title race and that would be great for other teams like Inter, Milan and Napoli. Another plausible reason why Pogba deserves to be at Juventus is because they will also be competing in the Champions League next season.

In addition, I am also interested in how Milan are preparing to start next season as the newest Serie A champion this season. They performed well but hoped that new players would be brought in to strengthen their team. I believe that Milan have returned to good form in recent seasons, so it's certainly good to have a tougher competition in Serie A next season compared to last season.
After six years dominance on Serie A and success back to back with scudetto this second season for Juventus failure with Scudetto after last season failed and continue this season but most terrible on this season without any trophy yet, last season with Andrea Pirlo although failed on Serie A but success get trophy on Copa Italia. Still keep extended with Allegri as manager for Juventus next season I doubt will back to top standing position or second time for Allegri failed give scudetto for Juventus, but have good transfer after confirming with Paul Pogba agree joining with Juventus maybe will make different and give good effect for Juventus and have chance with Serie A tittle on next season.
2513  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: June 08, 2022, 08:49:00 AM
here is a nice cartoon, which shows what K. Mbappe has decided for his contract extension in paris.
and i say that psg will not win the next champions league either and therefore the trophy will still remain hidden for KM Grin


Meme that fits perfectly and describes how Mbappe is more accepting of a contract extension offer with PSG than moving to Real Madrid. The salary factor with a sizeable amount is one of the reasons why Mbappe prefers to stay at PSG rather than moving to Real Madrid, which has a greater chance of winning the Champions League title.

Never have any chance with PSG can talk more or become candidate get champion league trophy for several years later, less mentality and never have fight full power why I doubt with PSG chance get champion league trophy.
2514  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: June 08, 2022, 08:45:26 AM
Lewandowski with no doubt will be the best tranfer for barcelona if they will convince bayern munchin to sell the player, barcelona really need a player like him to recover their prestige and i really want to see him in Barcelona the next year
Lewandowski transfer to Barcelona is still just a rumor, Barcelona have shown interest in Lewandowski, but Barcelona are not yet willing to pay Lewandowski as Bayern Munich asked. Lewandowski is still very productive as a striker, Barcelona is not the only club that wants to sign Lewandowski, because many other clubs are interested in using Lewandowski services, Bayern Munich still maintains Lewandowski selling value even though he is 33 years old.
Not have enough money for Barcelona paying Robert Lewandowski transfer and I think less ability next season become new player for Barcelona, still have crisis and I remember what Pep Guardiola said about Barcelona. Never hurry up to make transfer player trough Barcelona get problem with financial. I think have new destination club for Robert Lewandowski if not get agreement with Barcelona, not only with transfer value difficulty faced by Barcelona but also I think they can't pay salary for Robert Lewandowski, he try to cut off many player salary right now for ability register new player how come Barcelona can active on transfer window next several month later.
2515  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: June 07, 2022, 11:34:01 PM
I think Real Madrid should have paid for Mbappe. After Ronaldo, they could have recaptured the fast football they wanted. Real Madrid's midfielders are getting old now and I don't think they can handle this pace next year. It was already a miracle that they won the champions league this year and it happened. I really wonder which team Pogba will go to. I don't think he will go to the Italian league.

Real Madrid Football Club is a business and has limitations due to the fact that it spends what it earns. PSG is the plaything of the sheiks, behind which the state stands, so Real cannot compete with PSG for Mbappe. The fact that Real did not spend unreasonable money on Mbappe is in my opinion more of a success than a failure.

It seems that Juventus and Pogba have finally reached an agreement and Pogba's salary will be 8 million a year without bonuses.
Real Madrid build team as business and last several years not really active on window transfer. I think Madrid offering to Mbappe not really fantastic salary than PSG this why reason make Madrid kosing opportunity how to get Mbappe sign's. Madrid keep trying with the same compoaition player almost five years and looks consistent after reaching La Liga and UEFA Champion League trophy in this season. Right now still not any agreement new player transfer for Real Madrid except with Rudiger and always looking player have been free transfer.
2516  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: June 07, 2022, 11:29:10 PM
According to this source on the link below, Tottenham are trying to bring Manchester United's young forward Marcus Rashford. He was a very promising forward for Manchester United actually but he is still struggling at Manchester United now. His statistics in this season wasn't impressive at all. I started to think like it is time for him to leave and try another team. Tottenham might be a good choice though. As they are going to be in the Champions League too, I assume he would lean towards joining them.

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2022/06/07/exclusive-super-agent-confirms-spurs-opened-talks-with-man-united-attacker/
Marcus Rashford have losing place and regular position on Manchester United trough Ralf Rangnick and still be the same with new Manchester United manager Erik Tan Hag. I think play for Tottenham Hotspur next season is not really bad because Marcus Rashford have chance play on champion league than keep stay with Machester United without have chance with regular position and not participants on Champion League. Totteham Hotspur still have right winger position for Marcus Rashford I think if agree moving from Manchester United.
2517  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: June 07, 2022, 11:23:29 PM
I think sevilla lacked quality depth and was broke to improve their squad in the just concluded season. They had good performances but could not create many chances or score; so they took Martial on loan which terribly failed as he was not fit enough to play most games. These cost Sevilla in their fight for the La liga title. With the right amount and quality signings, i think they can do better again this coming season
Sevilla has many good players, they only lost focus in the last season. They need to improve their mentality, not only improve the quantity or the number of players. On the other hand, they also need to evaluate their strategy, especially about 'how to attack effectively'. There is something to be improved in their strategy, to make the opponents be surprised and be difficult to know their strategy. If they can fix their strategy and players' mentality, they should perform better in the next season.


Improve mentality and need focus until end league are needed by Sevilla for next season, I think almost success on this season finish on 2rd poaition standing but not consistent until their position standing taken by Barcelona. Sevilla have completed player but less mentality how keep fighting until end league. Next seaaon have begin with good journey from the early until league ended and bring back Sevilla as competitor for Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid for La Liga tittle race.
2518  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: June 07, 2022, 08:25:38 AM
Bernando Silva is Keen on leaving Manchester City this summer but City boss, Pep I doing everything within his capability to urged the Portuguese player to stayed. Perhaps, Barcelona are showing interest in the player and the team might open negotiation with Silva's agent which might be possible. Silva played the role of an attacking midfielder for city and probably if he leaves, that position might be on hold for some time because there is absolutely no replacement for him yet, morever Pep knows how to convert player to fit in roles.
I don't now why many people still talking about Barcelona on next window transfer, how ability with Bernando Silva moving to Barcelona when club get financial crisis? they have try with negotiation back with several player how to lower salary more than 50% and paying for Bernando Silva I think not have enough money. Pep Guardiola still make Bernando Silva as regular and important player and I think not any way or chance to sell him for Barcelona. How ever interested with Barcelona I think they can't pay transfer values for Bernando Silva and Manchester City will sell him with higher price.
2519  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: June 05, 2022, 04:45:00 PM
Klopp is a very experienced coach. Liverpool's performance this season has been very good. And the Liverpool team is also very stable. However, rumors are circulating that Salah and Mane, the two main players in their squad, will leave Liverpool at the same time. Liverpool will face a lot of problems next season if they lose these two players together. Klopp should try to keep Salah at Liverpool.
It's no longer a problem if these two players leave, but it will be a disaster for Liverpool who will not perform optimally. The presence of Salah and Mane clearly gave a significant change to Liverpool achievements. I'm sure Klopp doesn't want this to happen to the squad he manages. Luiz Diaz still can't have the same qualities to fill this void.
For Mane, it has been confirmed that he will not play for Liverpool again, but there is still hope for Salah.
Liverpool must hold this player with all their might because indeed losing Mane is already a blow and when they lose Salah too then as you say it is a disaster because even though Liverpool's players are quite balanced but still these two players are a trump card for them
Speculation about Sadio Mane future with Liverpool probably have been over with several time rumors he will move to Byaern Munich, but still have chance with Salah can stay for several years later with Livespool. But not easy because have new negotiation salary ask by Salah to Liverpool. He wants get higher salary and become most expensive salary received on Primer League player, but Liverpool still not give respond and agree with salary asking by Salah.
2520  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Yang Lagi Booming ( Asix Token ) on: June 05, 2022, 02:18:06 PM
Kenapa harus sedih, Altcoin bukan hanya Asix saja, masih banyak Altcoin lain yang lebih Asik daripada Asix. Tak perlu mengharapkan Asix booming lagi seperti saat peluncuran, Anang yang menjadi pemilik Asix mulai kehilangan strategi membawa Asix kembali mengudara.
Mungkin hanya investor yang suka sangkuter pada Asix token mengharapkan harga koinnya naik lagi biar pada asik dan tidak panik, jadi strategi apapun yang direncanakan tapi proyek mereka sudah kehilangan kepercayaan dari investor dan trader, terbukti bahwa volume trading sudah menurun dan harganya saat ini sudah turun drastis.
Saya sangat yakin dengan Asix akan menjadi token yang mati dan tidak akan pernah berkembang ke depan apalagi bisa kembali ke harga tertinggi, hampir semua yoken buatan lokal tidak bisa kembali ke ATH tertinggi apalagi dengan turun cukup drastis. Paling naik 2% hingga 4% itupun sangat sulit mengingat harga saat ini cukup terpaut jauh dari harha ATH. Mungkin hanya investor yang sudah terlanjur membeli di awal - aeal dengan harga yg cukup tinggi saat itu.
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