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2541  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: June 01, 2014, 09:00:15 AM
It is outstandingly clear that NEMtokens in nxt AE have moved the nxt volume up, some conferences with bunch of geeks has nothing to do it. NEM tokens volumes are quite impressing  Cool

http://nxtblocks.info/#section/assets_exchange/12465186738101000735

NEM has done almost 2 million NXT in Volume in less than 48 hours.  NEM started trading on Friday.  2 million NxT = $122K.    If NXT a week ago was trading between $20k to $100K, NEM is easily accounting for nearly 60% of NxT's current volume.

That isn't counting the people who acquired NxT, who had the intent to purchase / bid for NEM but didn't follow through.

NEM is huge.

2542  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: June 01, 2014, 08:01:30 AM
ive followed nxt price for a long time, im pretty sure nem def has something to do with the price rise, im not saying its the only reason, but nxt has only done 110,000 volume the past 24 hours and its risen 12%, what did nem do $50,000 volume the first day, easy math says its plausible.


the last major run up was caused by being at a conference where they made a huge amount of contacts and many many people were interested greatly by nxt.. there is currently guys at another conference now(today and tomrrow i think.. not literally right now lol) and the payexpo is coming up (nxt is the only coin going to be there.. dont even think btc is going to be there, could be wrong. there is also 3 major major announcements to be made..(pre ann today) a huge amount of excitement and many nxt guys bought more.. one devs interveiw was also on letstalkbitcoin today i think actually. nem may have played a part.. but its far from the main cause!

also this: https://nxtforum.org/central-europe-bitcoin-expo-(vienna-may-31-2014)/day-1/msg32930/#msg32930

if you look to the comments bellow he also states that is "confirmed"

what i take from this is that nxt may become listed on the exchange that he is talking about.. if its huobi... shit.. thats guna be SICK!!!! so ya i dont think its nem lol

Ah that explains it... lots of activity on NXT exchange + the NEM stuff: NEM, dotsforbits, and tons of others

I've been following conventions for the various coins and conclude that they're a waste of money, they cost more to attend than they get out of it.

A bit off-topic but I am forced to attend conventions, in my industry, and it's honestly a big joke.  Conventions are all about socialites and networking between the high status people (IF these people show up, more often than not they send the intern who can't answer simple questions).  The Bitcoin and digital currency conventions are no different, from what I have heard.


If you read the NxT forums like me - even they acknowledge that NEM is dominating the NxT AE and that's where most of the upswing in volume is coming from.
2543  Economy / Economics / Re: The American Dream on: June 01, 2014, 07:50:56 AM
Thomas Jefferson – “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the very continent their fathers conquered!”


Hard to believe some people foresee the problem 300+ years ago.

Maybe he assumed it to happen sooner? Jefferson didn't say when it will happen, he said _if_ it happens. It's the same if i say that "when Ireland wins FIFA world cup, there will be huge party in Dublin".. I don't say when it happens.. i just say what is the cause of one happening.

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The American dream is in other countries too... It's not always about freedom and ritches.. it's more like "go to school, get a job, buy a house, get married, have kids, you are doing fine".. But it's same kind of lie because everybody can't achieve all that. Then people are told to blame themselves for "not doing hard work".. It's not his fault.. it's the system. It's not possible for everybody to succeed. In a different system it might be possible to everyone to have decent life but not everyone can be rich.

The American dream was always a contrast to the nightmare of the old world.  The one problem now is that American values have now entrenched themselves throughout the world, unless you happen to live in backwater like Burma (which only recently brought in Coca Cola), your society has been thoroughly Americanized (is your country a democracy?  does it have free speech and recognition of property?  Has class distinction been diminished?)


There were advantages to having been American back in the 1960s but those days are long gone.  If the American dream is being able to work yourself into a middle class existence with a house and an automobile, those things are arguably more accessible in Germany than in the US these days.  More accessible as a Polish plumber in Britain who can work in the UK for 20 years and retire and live like a king in Poland.

2544  Economy / Speculation / Re: This forum is full of future millionaires on: June 01, 2014, 04:25:15 AM
anyone holding over 10 bitcoin today will probably have 1 million USD (in today's purchasing power) in 10-20 years.
most of the fiat pundits who mock bitcoin today will be eating their hat when the USD finally implodes.
be glad you are lucky enough to be here in this moment in time when bitcoin is first invented, it will be quite a story to tell...

HA. Jokes on you. A million dollars today is not what it used to be.

HA, ha. In 10 to 20 years a million dollars will be nothing.

Especially since the US dollar imploded as you say.

<shaking head>

IIRC - I read a study which made the assertion that a million dollars today was only worth the equivalent of $70,000 during President Hoover's Great Depression.  A millionaire back then was actually rich rich.

Seems plausible when you factor in purchasing power parities.  A Coca Cola in a restaurant used to be .5 cents for a very long time, whereas today it costs maybe $1.0 to $2.0 at restaurant now (depending on where you live).

I've witnessed a great deal of inflation in my own lifetime and I'm far from being an old person, let alone middle aged.  At the rate $Fiat is going, a Coca Cola will probably cost $40 per drink in a restaurant by the time I am retirement age.  The concept of saving for a retirement is almost a joke, since any chump change you may save today won't be enough to cover future living expenses.    

Think about that when you hear about pensioners eating dog food - you might assumed some didn't save anything (which could be true for some) but more like most were robbed out of their savings through inflation.
2545  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: June 01, 2014, 03:35:00 AM
NxT's price and volume has been skyrocketing but it's been established that, yesterday, the volume trading NEM tokens was $51,000 in a 24 hour period.  People buying NxT to acquire NEM is what is shooting up NxT's price.  No different than how people buying Maidsafe coins led to Mastercoin to double (triple?) in capitalization (which then plummeted afterwards).


NxT's volume a couple weeks ago, before NEM trading, was only $20,000 to $80,000.  It looks like NEM, before alpha, is essentially almost as big as NxT in volume and that's despite being restricted to tokens on the AE.




if that is true.. thats quite astonishing!

There are links to confirm the $51K volume, albeit other people posted them so I don't have that link on hand (but I definitely saw it).

NEM is the only thing which explains NxT's recent upswing out of nowhere.
2546  Economy / Speculation / Re: This forum is full of future millionaires on: June 01, 2014, 03:24:39 AM
A million dollars wouldn't even buy me a house in my city, a 60 year old house full of mold & asbestos can be bought for the 'affordable' discounted price in the $1.2 million range.


I don't see how a million can last anyone, even if you moved to a third world country and lived like a Slumlord.
2547  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: June 01, 2014, 03:16:28 AM
NxT's price and volume has been skyrocketing but it's been established that, yesterday, the volume trading NEM tokens was $51,000 in a 24 hour period.  People buying NxT to acquire NEM is what is shooting up NxT's price.  No different than how people buying Maidsafe coins led to Mastercoin to double (triple?) in capitalization (which then plummeted afterwards).


NxT's volume a couple weeks ago, before NEM trading, was only $20,000 to $80,000.  It looks like NEM, before alpha, is essentially almost as big as NxT in volume and that's despite being restricted to tokens on the AE.


2548  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: flavor of the month on: June 01, 2014, 03:08:25 AM
Yeah it's been nonstop "flavor of the month" pumps since January, I'm tired of it too.

NxT by now would had been worth $300+ million but they had to screw it up with the scam-like distribution.  NEM is the next hope (it already has 50% of NxT's volume in pre-launch.  People have been buying NxT to acquire NEM, hence NxT's recent increase in price and volume)


2549  Economy / Economics / Re: You work your butt off, and a rich dude does nothing and gets rich - how? on: June 01, 2014, 03:00:25 AM
There are economic gaps everywhere, and it's not because of a rigged system. It's somewhat because of luck.

Yup it's all luck, you sir are all correct.  85 people in this world have more wealth than 3.5 billion people, are just 'lucky'.  If you're in the backwater of Africa and Asia, all you need to do is pull up your bootstraps (oh wait can't afford said boots) and then encounter "luck".   Roll Eyes
2550  Other / Off-topic / Re: This is why so many nerds are overweight! on: June 01, 2014, 02:42:14 AM
Nerds?  I stumble past construction sites and I see many Tradesmen who are overweight, albeit that's occupation-discriminatory ~ there's bound to be a few construction workers who play Dungeon and Dragons.   Cheesy  Likewise, the armies in developed countries are beginning to sound alarm over military obesity.  These are occupations where people burn a lot of calories during rigorous things and yet the fatties are abundant these days.



Obesity has doubled since the 1980s (in other countries the increase has been more).

 Our diets arguably haven't changed, there was plenty of Coca Cola and hamburgers a couple decades ago.  Maybe one difference could between then and now, is the greater accessibility of Mexican cuisine but I don't think that's the culprit.

As well - gasoline use has declined to 25% of what it was in the late 1990s - suggesting that people are driving less.  If people walking more means less obesity, right?  Wrong - obesity continues to go up regardless of the mode of transportation (feet or automobiles)


If I had to blame the culprit, then it's

- People think the world is going to ruin (the internet doesn't help in accessibility of information) and maybe this is triggering the weight retention gene.
- GMOs in our wheat and crops and the things our livestock eat.


I can say this - when I was in Asia, the cows were skinny just like the people.  I ate nonstop beer, soda and greasy food in Asia and managed to lost a ton of weight.  It leads me to believe in the 'corrupted food' hypothesis more than anything else.  Are you kidding about what you think Asians eat?  I was able to get New York Steak and Pizza at every touristy location in Cambodia - hell, even saw a Mexican restaurant.


2551  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Stay at day job (work or school) if suddenly filthy rich from Bitcoin? on: June 01, 2014, 02:20:52 AM
There has been studies and books written about people who win the lottery and/or acquire wealth (and stop working).

Traveling the world gets old.  You don't need to be rich to travel.  I've been to almost 40 countries myself.
 I'll say this about "traveling"

- You spend a lot of time in bars / restaurants (things you can do at home)
- Eventually seeing new landmarks / museums gets old and you go "meh"
- You DO get bored on vacation, all the time.
- Dealing with trains / bus / rental is a pain.
- "friends of convenience", eventually you realize these people you partied with in foreign hostels / hotels you'll never see again.


I listen to a few radio shows hosted by millionaires and see the reality TV shows - their lives aren't any different from ours.  Most of them are planked on the sofa and, if it wasn't for the socialite activities, most would be bored to tears.

Most very rich people occupy themselves with some sort of career, some host on the radio (like the people I listen to), others are venture capitalist (who technically work for almost no money compared to their net worth), et cetera.


Really the only benefit I see from money is security but it's a false security, maybe the security from never being forced to work but you'll have plenty of people trying to steal said wealth from you (women, the banks, et al).
2552  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: June 01, 2014, 01:58:47 AM
Not sure why people think marketcap is so important, until I can buy a product with NEM (online or pos) I don't care if market cap is one million or hundred million. If NEM works and we can get it in the hands of average joe then to me that's when the real market cap starts. The way I see it, right now NEM is just a commodity and not a currency which is what I will be working hard to do.

To constitute being a currency then it's literally the chicken before the egg.  Nothing will be considered a currency until a coin's volume exceeds $1 billion within a 24 hour period, something which no current coin is close to doing - Bitcoin's record was $70 million.

There are the technical issues - for instance, all the required confirmations within Bitcoin makes it impractical to use in a brick & mortar store.  There appears to be a theoretical way to get around this, such as Bitpay acting as an equivalent to a credit card.  Though nothing stops Bitpay from wiping out Visa / American express and then later jacking up the fees when they establish a monopoly.

There really needs to be a digital coin with fast transactions and confirmations, and this has to be scalable when the coin later grows to a billion+ in volume.
2553  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Do I Tell My Daughter That People Across Europe Fear Minorities Like Us? on: May 30, 2014, 11:18:10 PM
It's not a religion thing, no one would be making a ruckus if it were Albanians, Bosnians and white-looking Tatars migrating by the millions into Britain / France
2554  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: satoshi is either dead or in prison on: May 30, 2014, 06:48:23 PM
Satoshi 1.0 and BCnext 2.0 make NEM 3.0
2555  Other / Off-topic / Re: Elliot Rodger Killed 7 and Wounded 7 on: May 29, 2014, 11:33:09 PM
he wasn't a bad looking dude.. he probably suffered from some mentally debilitating disorder that caused him to feel ostracized by others.

Gayboy. Haha. That's exactly what I thought, but it doesn't matter how good looking you are if you're just a little creepy and awkward/unhinged. Women won't like that. His parents did say he had mental health problems.

Apparently he had aspergers which is a high functioning form of autism.  My nephew has aspergers and I can tell you, he's very socially awkward.  He has trouble forming relationships with people. He also tends to dwell on the same issue over and over again.  Pretty hard to get any decent conversation going with him.

You won't really get far without decent conversation with women.  One thing I don't get is why he just didn't go to the nightclub and pray on the really drunk fat ones at the end of the night.  They'll give it up to anybody.  Cheesy

So yeah, maybe he was gay.

He wanted the hot girls which he couldn't get and didn't understand. I was amazed at how he thought having a better car and a flashy lifestyle would make him more attractive when really it probably made him even more standoffish. What wowed me the most was how he would stalk people and hate that a ugly guys was with a hot girl and vise versa, he really needed a flesh light or blow up doll instead of a gun..

I'm pretty sure that kind of thinking comes with aspergers. My nephew thinks the same way.  He figures wealth and flashy things will get him the attention he wants, even though, he has trouble accepting attention and being close to people.

It's a really weird syndrome to deal with, and I'm talking from the family side of it.  I can only imagine the struggles within  for a person with aspergers.

People with aspergers have seen his video and concluded he neither had aspergers or autism.

More probable that Eliott had stunted social skills.  For instance, despite browsing PUA websites, he himself never embraced the main principle of PUA - mass approach.   The most famous pickup artists admit they have to approach dozens of women until they find the one woman who'll say yes.  The way to getting women is, frankly, not to give a shi1t about other people's opinions but Eliott cared too much what others thought.

Pickup Artists got banned from a mall in Toronto since they advertise that location to other PUA who then converged on mass and every woman complained about being approached every 30 seconds.

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/blogs-and-comment/toronto-eaton-centre-is-cracking-down-on-pick-up-artists-tweet-suggests/

 
2556  Other / Off-topic / Re: Elliot Rodger Killed 7 and Wounded 7 on: May 29, 2014, 12:50:10 PM
Yeh he had everything going in his life, nice apartment in california, a nice car and alot of money from his family.
All payed bye mom and dad, he was really under the impression he can just sit somewhere and girls will talk to him.
But you have to talk to them first i think that's what he failed to understand you have to start the conversation because most of the times the girls are waiting for that.

He didn't.  He was fake rich.  Fake rich is a common Asian thing, I know Chinese guys sleeping out of leased BMWs and Mustangs.

 He was leasing the BMW and shared an apartment with three Asian guys.

Still - his male classmates described him as a quiet loner, so he likely never talked to a girl.

He was also creepy, 5 foot 8 and 135 pounds and wanted a 8/10+ blonde but didn't have the money / appearance / personality for one
2557  Other / Politics & Society / Re: you get Richer as the Older You’ll Get on: May 29, 2014, 05:54:02 AM
well this is why you have to save for a rainy day and get more skills, the more skills you have the better it is to keep an income, look at me no job. Still im able to put money away for retirement in a safe not bank, and yeah in a cold wallet some of my btc is stored.  Its all about adapting to changes, which many cant do.

That was what I was saying. The older you get, that much more difficult it becomes to acquire new skills. For younger people, it is easy. But once you get in to the 40s and 50s, it is very difficult.

Sounds like an ageist statement if I have seen one.  There are students over age 40 (even 60) in universities and they seem to be just as capable, as the younger students, in finishing their degree (and learning new things).

Older people don't suck at learning new skills - they just become complacent (apathy) or get tied up with responsibilities which prevents them from learning skills or going back to school.

 
2558  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 29, 2014, 03:19:52 AM
@taunsew.

thats a great idea! get higher statuses for most transactions, highest amount in wallet, most number of assets owned ect.. but not sure if that would be a good idea at the same time.. its putting people in direct competition over how much money they have ect.. perhaps if there are in game apps. have scores for games and stuff add up to ranking for your address... that sort of thing thats not related to money

It could be anything as long as it's somehow recognizable by the client.  For instance, there could be an achievement called: "Luck of the Irish", if you are befriended / messaged / receive NEM from someone in Ireland (hypothetical example).   One could hypothetically be quite imaginative with the sort of achievements there could be and achievements can be an addicting mini-game.


 
2559  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 29, 2014, 03:01:39 AM
has any one ever looked into what crypto records nem has broken?

like most coin announcement thread views for an un-launched coin?

most coin announcement thread views for an un-launched coin that hasnt release any software?

most coin announcement thread replies for a coin that has not launched?

most coin announcement thread replies for a coin that has not released any software?

most participants in an ipo like call for participation?

most devs working on an unlaunched coin?

highest marketcap of an unreleased coin (i think we would only need to beat maidsafe here.. could be wrong)

any other records im forgetting that could apply?



Definitely worth noting but should it be emphasized?
why not? if people here of this unknown coin thats broken all these records.. theyl be thinkin, damn.. i better check this out...


Indirectly, and changing the topic, this led me to think of an "achievement" list within the NEM client - equivalent to the achievements you see on Xbox Live and in PC / Console Gaming.

  Achievements is essentially an addicting mini-game in recreational video gaming, which encourages the user to devote more hours to the game in question to unlock these achievements (I don't know how to better explain this idea but anyone who plays Xbox Live or Steam PC Games would know what I am talking about).

  You could effectively create a wide range of NEM achievements, some of them fairly easy to achieve and others more difficult or borderline impossible.  





2560  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 29, 2014, 02:52:45 AM
has any one ever looked into what crypto records nem has broken?

like most coin announcement thread views for an un-launched coin?

most coin announcement thread views for an un-launched coin that hasnt release any software?

most coin announcement thread replies for a coin that has not launched?

most coin announcement thread replies for a coin that has not released any software?

most participants in an ipo like call for participation?

most devs working on an unlaunched coin?

highest marketcap of an unreleased coin (i think we would only need to beat maidsafe here.. could be wrong)

any other records im forgetting that could apply?



Definitely worth noting but should it be emphasized?
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