Here's The Real Deal In A Nutshell, Fellow Americans... Agencies within the United States Government will begin withholding federal grant funds from those cities, and additional actions to enforce federal immigration law will be taken soon.
Unlike Obama, President Trump is not trying to making new laws by executive decree. In his Executive Order, the president is only reminding mayors and governors of existing federal law dating to 1996:
U.S. Code › Title 8 › Chapter 12 › Subchapter II › Part IX › § 1373
8 U.S. Code § 1373 – Communication between government agencies and the Immigration and Naturalization Service:
Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, a Federal, State, or local government entity or official may not prohibit, or in any way restrict, any government entity or official from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual. Read more at http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=67766.
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Here's The Real Deal In A Nutshell, Fellow Americans...Agencies within the United States Government will begin withholding federal grant funds from those cities, and additional actions to enforce federal immigration law will be taken soon.
Unlike Obama, President Trump is not trying to making new laws by executive decree. In his Executive Order, the president is only reminding mayors and governors of existing federal law dating to 1996:
U.S. Code › Title 8 › Chapter 12 › Subchapter II › Part IX › § 1373
8 U.S. Code § 1373 – Communication between government agencies and the Immigration and Naturalization Service:
Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, a Federal, State, or local government entity or official may not prohibit, or in any way restrict, any government entity or official from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual. Read more at http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=67766.
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Take a look at the costs, you'll find it's absurd. Going up and down the gravity well is expensive as all hell. You'll never make that back no matter what you find on Ceres or the Moon. Even if it were already stacked in refined bars waiting for you to pick them up!! OK as a fully subsidized mission with no profitability other than a technology subsidy, sure. But as a proper business? No way. At least not until we get that space elevator built  There are several projects to build a space elevator until 2050. I think cost estimates were around 50-100 billion $ with usage of graphene or similar super materials. With inflation that is coming, they better start saving their pennies. |
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Personally I think those trying to obtain scientific proof of the existence of god are approaching this from the wrong perspective, you believe in god proof or not proof.
+1 Spot on. It's called faith, a belief that is not based on proof. Science can never proof God, not now and never will, because science can only use empirical data. Anybody claiming or trying to obtain scientfic proof of God is: 1) Lying or plain ignorant of science. 2) Too much spare time on their hands. 3) Having some sort of faith breakdown. Ask yourself, why would somebody of faith need (or even seek) scientfic proof of God? Surely that's the whole point of faith? Seems to me, if someone does, they are in the middle of some sort of God faith crisis in their life. Pretending they have scientfic proof of God, is just a cry for help. 3) Because blind faith is never strong. It might be vocal, but it is not strong. Faith in God is faith in what He says. If you want to simply believe that He exists, your faith is rather blind. Get to KNOW that He exists, so you have opportunity to listen to what He says. Then you can believe in Him or not. But all religion is the definition of blind faith. People choose to believe stories in a book written years ago without ever seeing anything first hand. Wrong. First there is the evidence and proof that God exists: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. Then there is the proof of the strength of God, the Bible, through the history of its being written and compiled, the strengths (and weaknesses) of the nation (Israel) that did it, and the fact of the Bible prophesies that have been and are being fulfilled. If this is blind faith, forget about weak blind faith things like big bang theory, black hole theory, and relativity theory. |
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That article was written by a first grader. It's complete lies. It's proven that memory IS stored in the brain, it's not some "metaphysical" thing. Scientists have Already been able to cause individuals to relive certain memories just by physically touching the hypothalamus . BADecker, I suggest you do more research because that entire article you posted on a bogus/fake website is giving you 100% lies. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/science/05brain.htmlNo, no. A second grader. Bout time you made it into Kindergarten. |
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not "brits", muslims and trotskyists
Bout time the true Brits overthrow their government for letting these infidels in. |
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most of the 1.6 million signatures are bots, if you think a majority of people in the uk or any european country want more muslims you belong in a mental asylum
Are you trying to say that the European governments are asking for overthrow by their own citizens, and don't even know it? |
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Just because I say that cause and effect is a scientific law, doesn't mean that it is. Yet, my words are proof in the sense that you can use my words as prompting to go and find out that cause and effect are scientific law... from the people who have proven that cause and effect are scientific law... like Newton, in his 3rd law. So, my words ARE proof in the sense that they are backed up by the proof of the scientific laws that others - multitudes of others - have confirmed. While cause and effect alone does not prove that God exists, it almost does. How? By setting the stage through elimination of any sort of random. A person needs to consider what random really is. And I talk about it in my posts that I list. There isn't any such thing as random. There is only our lack of observation of cause and effect. We can't see the countless operations of cause and effect - such as all the cause and effect actions by which all the individual electrons move as they do - so we use an artificial random to guess how things work. It is not true random. It is artificial, like when you toss a coin into the air, or roll dice. You use the term random to guess the results of your actions. Yet, there is no random, because it is all the forces of your toss or roll that cause the the results to happen the way that they do. Why is the fact that there is no random important? It means that all operations of the universe, including life, never happened by accident. They were all caused. That is why EVOLUTION is simply change. It is never any spontaneous form of random effect. There is no form of pure random that has ever been seen or found by anyone. If you think there is some pure random somwhere, show the proof of it that can be confirmed, and has been confirmed by others. Once you start to understand this, you have set the groundwork for the next two parts... entropy and complexity. Entropy and complexity take you the rest of the way to God. Oh chuckles..... you make me laugh. Your entire argument is based on assumptions. You say that cause and effect do not prove there is a god.... but it almost does. You have taken a leap of faith and assumed it to be correct. You are a passionate little soul and I congratulate you on that. But quoting your own words is delusional. Don't feel too badly. It takes training to be able to think logically. Keep working at it, and you just might get there sometime. I just hope that it happens soon enough for you to receive some of the revelations God offers, rather than only the simple understanding of His existence. Simple understanding of His existence isn't enough for salvation. All your arguements are based on proving there is a god But please, prove me that YOUR god is the real god  And how it's different from the jewish god or the muslim god, or the hindu god First, the only argument that I might have is that I don't have any arguments. Second, anyone who doesn't accept the reality of the universe and what he does, says, and thinks therein, might have a hard time understanding the proof of the real God. Anybody who accepts the reality of the universe and what he does, says, and thinks therein, knows about the real God in his heart, even though he might not acknowledge Him. |
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Nice read, I used to think I was an atheist, but now I think I am more of an agnostic
It's about time that ALL the adamant atheists get their heads screwed on straight, and realize that there isn't really any atheism. Not until they know for an absolute fact that God does not exist can there be any atheism. If they only say that they believe God to not exist, they are ignoring the big part of themselves that is ignorant of nearly 100% of the things that go on in the universe... to say nothing about the not-understandable "stuff" that is outside the universe. God might exist therein. |
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Just because I say that cause and effect is a scientific law, doesn't mean that it is. Yet, my words are proof in the sense that you can use my words as prompting to go and find out that cause and effect are scientific law... from the people who have proven that cause and effect are scientific law... like Newton, in his 3rd law. So, my words ARE proof in the sense that they are backed up by the proof of the scientific laws that others - multitudes of others - have confirmed. While cause and effect alone does not prove that God exists, it almost does. How? By setting the stage through elimination of any sort of random. A person needs to consider what random really is. And I talk about it in my posts that I list. There isn't any such thing as random. There is only our lack of observation of cause and effect. We can't see the countless operations of cause and effect - such as all the cause and effect actions by which all the individual electrons move as they do - so we use an artificial random to guess how things work. It is not true random. It is artificial, like when you toss a coin into the air, or roll dice. You use the term random to guess the results of your actions. Yet, there is no random, because it is all the forces of your toss or roll that cause the the results to happen the way that they do. Why is the fact that there is no random important? It means that all operations of the universe, including life, never happened by accident. They were all caused. That is why EVOLUTION is simply change. It is never any spontaneous form of random effect. There is no form of pure random that has ever been seen or found by anyone. If you think there is some pure random somwhere, show the proof of it that can be confirmed, and has been confirmed by others. Once you start to understand this, you have set the groundwork for the next two parts... entropy and complexity. Entropy and complexity take you the rest of the way to God. Oh chuckles..... you make me laugh. Your entire argument is based on assumptions. You say that cause and effect do not prove there is a god.... but it almost does. You have taken a leap of faith and assumed it to be correct. You are a passionate little soul and I congratulate you on that. But quoting your own words is delusional. Don't feel too badly. It takes training to be able to think logically. Keep working at it, and you just might get there sometime. I just hope that it happens soon enough for you to receive some of the revelations God offers, rather than only the simple understanding of His existence. Simple understanding of His existence isn't enough for salvation. Chuckles.... another joke? You are a funny little fellow. When you are able to think logically you will have gained a new skill, until then my friend you will continue to speak in an indoctrinated manner. So, you understand the all pervading activity of cause and effect, then. |
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Did you not see? Just because I say that cause and effect is a scientific law, doesn't mean that it is. Yet, my words are proof in the sense that you can use my words as prompting to go and find out that cause and effect are scientific law... from the people who have proven that cause and effect are scientific law... like Newton, in his 3rd law. So, my words ARE proof in the sense that they are backed up by the proof of the scientific laws that others - multitudes of others - have confirmed. While cause and effect alone does not prove that God exists, it almost does. How? By setting the stage through elimination of any sort of random. A person needs to consider what random really is. And I talk about it in my posts that I list. There isn't any such thing as random. There is only our lack of observation of cause and effect. We can't see the countless operations of cause and effect - such as all the cause and effect actions by which all the individual electrons move as they do - so we use an artificial random to guess how things work. It is not true random. It is artificial, like when you toss a coin into the air, or roll dice. You use the term random to guess the results of your actions. Yet, there is no random, because it is all the forces of your toss or roll that cause the the results to happen the way that they do. Why is the fact that there is no random important? It means that all operations of the universe, including life, never happened by accident. They were all caused. That is why EVOLUTION is simply change. It is never any spontaneous form of random effect. There is no form of pure random that has ever been seen or found by anyone. If you think there is some pure random somwhere, show the proof of it that can be confirmed, and has been confirmed by others. Once you start to understand this, you have set the groundwork for the next two parts... entropy and complexity. Entropy and complexity take you the rest of the way to God. Here's an experiment in random for you BADecker, grab a set of Lego blocks, as many shapes, colours and sizes as you can and place them in front of you. Now close your eyes and grab any two pieces and join them together with your eyes still shut. With your eyes still closed, feel around and grab another piece and join it to the connected pieces, repeat as many times as you feel like. What is the result? Could you have predicted the outcome of colour and shape even though you were the direct cause? While there is probably a limit to the number of cause and effect actions that caused the Legos to lie in the exact places that they exist it, that number is fantastically great... way beyond understanding by mankind. |
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You can read the Bible and see the vast differences between OT and NT, between the gospels and the teaching of Paul, etc; you can also read the book "Misquoting Jesus" and determine for yourself that NOT ALL of these men were DIRECTLY inspired by GOD. Therefore, how could the Bible be a DIRECT TEACHING FROM GOD??? The teachings are not different. They are simply said in different ways. Also, they are said to different groups of people, and to people with different outlooks and understandings in life. This is why they are said differently. For example. If I were to try to explain proof for the existence of God to a tribe of Australian Aborigines, people who had not had any modern science schooling at all, it wouldn't make sense to talk to them about cause and effect and Newton's 3rd Law. I would have to go about it a different way. You mention the Dead Sea Scrolls, but fail to mention the writings made by early Christians found at Nag Hammadi which are in opposition to the now-popular teachings of Paul. Actually, the history of the Bible is far more tangled than you have been led to believe; maybe you would be better off STUDYING THE WRITINGS OF BIBLE SCHOLARS WITH EXPERTISE? It seems like you are trusting in Paul's teaching but paying no heed to that of the Gnostics or even that of Deepak Chopra as in his book "The Third Jesus". In these Gnostic texts Jesus actually says "I am not your master"! Now where is that in the Bible!? Regarding the Dead Sea Scrolls, they only prove that there was more important information left out of the Bible, like the process for making MANNA: The excavation of Qumran, Judea revealed a complex system of conduits, channels and numerous water cisterns, some of which led directly from the Dead Sea. This salt-laden water was not suitable for drinking, but its high mineral content has been found to be a source of high quality m-state material for the processing of white gold powder. Each blade of grass is important in the universe. The universe would be radically different if even one blade of grass that had been cause-and-effected to exist, simply did not exist. If the Bible held all the important information in it, it might be bigger than the universe. That which is written is there for the saving of souls. That which is not written will add little towards the saving goal, and might even detract from it if added. Getting back to the main point: it seems kind of absurd to have such an important project (the WORD) for mankind in the hands of so many fallible men; GOD certainly works in mysterious ways but men are prone to corruption and certainly the Bible has the mark of man upon it. Can the same be said about the Phoenix Journals? These volumes are more lucid and go into every detail, and were written by just ONE scribe. Hatonn is: Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn-Aton. I write through a “Translator”; communications through pulsed short-wave transmission. This is not “psychic channeling nor hocus-pocus”. This is purely “physics” of frequency transmission, receiver termination of transmission and translation of the signal into the English language.
I am Commander of the “Phoenix Project”, serving the Command of that ONE whom you refer to as “The Messenger, Christos, God, etc.” The “Command Fleet” is from the sector Pleiades from which originated your ancestral lineage. My mission is in preparation for the return of the “God” to reclaim His property. He went forth and has prepared safe passage and “a place” for each of you who would come within His shelter. The choice is individual for force is not of God and you have free-will for all choices.
This is why God allows the Dead Sea Scrolls to exist... so that we can see which writings are infallible, by comparing the ancient to the new. Whatever is copied accurately by hand over thousands of years is something that has power. Since the Phoenix Project writings have only been around for a short while, and since they contradict the Bible in some places, they are probably demonic writings. At the time of the judgment in the last day, all prophetic writings will become unimportant. They will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire following the judgment. The only book that will remain is the Word of God, Jesus, and those who follow Jesus. Some of the other prophetic writings might help people live good lives here in this life, for the tiny hundred years that they live. Other writings might have Jesus salvation mentioned. But all the Jesus salvation writing comes first from the Bible. So, since we have the Bible with us, let's go directly to the source for salvation... the Bible. |
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The US was always the land of extremes.
Freedom, democracy, science in one hand - racism, wars and religion on the other.
Maybe much higher social standards in europe do play a roll?!
Well, you have to be kinda extreme to cross over the Atlantic in something like the Mayflower. The brave ones took off and left all you "standard" Brits behind. Being brave and bold, of course they are going to teach their outspokenness to their kids and grandkids, etc. First Brits came to America because they was fighting for religious freedom and wanted to reform ''old'' church. They was persecuted in the UK and had no choice but to escape to America. After them, many more immigrants came, searching for freedom and new beginning. It seems that now America is not any more promised land for immigrants. Trump is not atheist but his policy is against religious freedom and against immigrants. My point regarding this and Trump, is, if Trump turns out to be against freedom, the people will stand up against Trump, and he will be gone. Some of the people might be gone in the battle, as well. But that is the way of disputes, isn't it? Anyway, modern Americans might not be as brave and bold as the English who crossed the Atlantic way back. |
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Taxation for me is necessary, without it any country will have no funds to make progress. The bad thing is that some government officials wastes our money because of corruption. We always buy or pay taxes but where does it go? It's only a crime when it is used for personal pleasures of any government official.
You have a nice start to your thought. But, isn't no taxes the way that it should be? No taxes, no protection, and no progress. What will happen next if there are no taxes, no protection, and no progress? Either the people will be destroyed, or... They will VOLUNTARILY get together and BUY the means necessary to save themselves. In the great nations, let the people buy what they need from government, rather than being taxed. Let the receipt show that such and such is what they have purchased. Let them keep the receipts to show whenever there is a dispute. Buy military protection, just like you buy anything else. That way there will be a proper accounting for the money, and less will be stolen by corrupt government people. |
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The US was always the land of extremes.
Freedom, democracy, science in one hand - racism, wars and religion on the other.
Maybe much higher social standards in europe do play a roll?!
Well, you have to be kinda extreme to cross over the Atlantic in something like the Mayflower. The brave ones took off and left all you "standard" Brits behind. Being brave and bold, of course they are going to teach their outspokenness to their kids and grandkids, etc. |
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The Bible is said to be scripture, but it was written AND RE-WRITTEN by many different men. Did ALL of those men receive their inspiration from the Creator? The changes made to the Bible suggest to the believer that it was not a perfect book as-written. So therefore it must be a work-in-progress? I do not wish to make or be part of some kind of a “cult of Doris Ekker” but the fact is that this Grandmother managed to write a 200-page book EVERY 3 WEEKS FOR YEARS, hundreds of books in total. How was this prodigious output, covering such a wide range of topics, possible? Please do not be too quick to reject the truthful answer, that she scribed DIRECTLY for our Heavenly Father, exactly as stated. There probably has NEVER been a scribe so well connected — including all of the great ones acknowledged in all of the holy books. http://phoenixsourcedistributors.com/While you can find copies of the Bible here and there that are corrupted and incorrect, the Dead Sea Scrolls show that there was little change over 2,000 years before the printing press was developed. It was the job of the Hebrew people to maintain Bible accuracy. And, they did their job very well, copying by hand. All of our major translations go back to the original languages, Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, for translating. And care is taken to do the best job possible regarding accuracy. Check out https://www.biblegateway.com/ to see many of the best translations around. If you are interested, you can research how each copy was made, and what the translators did to assure accuracy. |
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Is it time to ban British travel in the U.S.? |
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For those interested iamnotback and I have recently concluded a very deep philosophical debate. It started off as a debate on slavery before moving on to a discussion of the characteristics of evil. From there it spiraled into a discussion of God concluding with a contrast between the worship of nature and the worship of God. The debate started in the Martin Armstrong thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1082909.msg17608266#msg17608266It concluded in the Dark Enlightenment thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495527.msg17633518#msg17633518Proverbs 9:10
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom" The fear of God is necessary to maximize cooperation over defection. It is not cost free so individuals who fear God must form a community of like minded individuals to maximize the benefits of cooperation. Ultimately there is no current or future functional mechanism more optimized for maximizing cooperation then a universal and genuine the fear of the LORD. This is why religion will grow and ultimately out compete lesser more inefficient strategies. For a deeper analysis we must enter the realm of religious texts. Bible is filled with many words. It is filled with many concepts. Each of these concepts is often difficult to consider in the light of all the rest of the concepts. So... Get yourself a set of Bible CDs in a language that is common to you, Bit bias here. Why you not encouraging him to get some Quran etc... CD's as well, so he can get a nice balanced view? My arguments upthread and elsewhere commit me to Ethical Monotheism. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are all at theoretically congruent with my position. BADeckers advice to not just read but also listen to the Bible including the New Testament is interesting and something I had not previously considered I will probably follow it. There is nothing wrong with with reading the Quran also as one should fully understand all of ones options. Finally, I intend to take a very close look at Judaism. In the end I will choose the option I feel is closest to truth. However, as I have no real desire to engage in further theological debates I will likely keep that choice to myself. Another option is to read Quantum Physics textbook, or read History books, read any books that talk about reality. If you seek refuge in some Bronze Age or a 6-th century poetry, that is fine, just don't come out and say that this is 'the truth'. Literature is fine as long as it is treated/interpreted as such. Do you want to know the history of human kind, how it all started? Read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485869151&sr=8-1&keywords=brief+history+of+humanFor me, theology is a study of literature. Like you, I have no interest in it. However, when someone comes out and says they have a talking, winged horse sitting on a unicorn in their backyard, I have to confront the BS. When someone suggests the idea of someone coming out and saying they have a talking, winged horse sitting on a unicorn in their back yard, we all have to wonder about the credulity of the person making the suggestion. If we did not have the printing press or any other methods of easily recording and making copies of books, and the only way to make a copy of a book was to copy it by hand, what would a quantum physics book or "Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind" look like in a thousand years? My guess is that there wouldn't be any copies around. People are only interested in the truth. Without the easy method of propagating propaganda like the printing press, all that would be left are the multiple thousands of handmade copies of the Bible, and a few copies of other religious books. Modern science would be almost completely gone. |
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Personally I think those trying to obtain scientific proof of the existence of god are approaching this from the wrong perspective, you believe in god proof or not proof.
+1 Spot on. It's called faith, a belief that is not based on proof. Science can never proof God, not now and never will, because science can only use empirical data. Anybody claiming or trying to obtain scientfic proof of God is: 1) Lying or plain ignorant of science. 2) Too much spare time on their hands. 3) Having some sort of faith breakdown. Ask yourself, why would somebody of faith need (or even seek) scientfic proof of God? Surely that's the whole point of faith? Seems to me, if someone does, they are in the middle of some sort of God faith crisis in their life. Pretending they have scientfic proof of God, is just a cry for help. 3) Because blind faith is never strong. It might be vocal, but it is not strong. Faith in God is faith in what He says. If you want to simply believe that He exists, your faith is rather blind. Get to KNOW that He exists, so you have opportunity to listen to what He says. Then you can believe in Him or not. |
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Flat Earth ? When i first heard this I CRIED  The level of stupidity in humanity is simply astounding and it makes me sad. I had tears rolling down my eyes ! The worst part about all this, is I'm confused if they are fully dedicated trolls, or if they honestly believe this Flat Earth / Hollow Earth lunacy. We are just trolls that dont believe a saints from Nasa. Youve got us. We repent the Nasa for disbelieving it. Would they forgive us?  Why do you keep persisting that nasa tell all lies and are devils or they are angels and tell always truth?  Are people retarded? World is a little more complicated than that. You just proved my point. You people are like entrenched on your positions by politics. Further dialog is futile. Boys, have fun by putting dicks in each others ass. Its not for me. My last words are:  How long is it going to take to question your conclusions? |
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