If there is a group of person which should have the right to end their life with doctor-assistance, it is the faggots  . Less of this shot can just benefit ! Oh well... a nice dose of homophobia was what was needed in here  ... somehow i know you will beat around when someone asks you if you are homosexual. All this fear... Maybe in some years you become sexually stable so that you don't feel the need to show that you are not homosexual, by attacking homosexuals that way. |
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The P2P lending feature is great, but needs some fine tuning. Apparently it is possible to borrow very short term (minutes, hours?) and not pay any interest at all. This feature is being actively abused by some borrowers. Lending offers are taken, and the borrower returns the money immediately. There are various reasons why the borrower would do this. The wildest one being; one could set up a borrowing bot to constantly recycle loans, and thereby borrow without paying any interest at all! For a lender, choosing "Auto-renew" is not always a good option.
What would be the purpose of such a bot? I don't see how it could be used usefully. I mean margin trading costs fees and they are high on bitfinex. So i wonder where you see the problem. |
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I second that again. It's probably only a small setting to change and i guess no developer is needed for this change. Would be nice if implemented.  |
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im still waiting for a refund from this guy for over 5 days have sent him screen shots and everything of the transaction and still he refuses to send i dont know what to do now. and from what i can read he asked for access to my polo account so he could see the transaction http://prntscr.com/8o4q25 So you really were smart enough to publicly write that you can not prove that this is your transaction. You are a smart guy. Now if someone claims it's his you are screwed. And what you forgot to mention, i already refunded you 0.2 bitcoin where you could prove that you sent them. You claimed another transaction was yours but you can not provide any proof that you sent this transaction. And even though i told you that i will send you the coins after some weeks you have the nerve to rate me negative twice and write in here that i do not pay out your coins. Coins you can NOT proof that they are yours. Not to speak about that you would have lost everything when i would have not told you the ico was a scam and offered to refund everyone. Your lack of understanding is not funny. You had the nerve to claim that you need the 0.1 bitcoin for eating, even though you already received 0.2 bitcoin and you would have not any of these coins when the ico would have run forward as a normal ico. I only see that you try to threaten me and you think by doing that somehow it will become safer to release these coins to you instantly? If you screwed this for you now because another user claims these are his coins then you and your impatient character are to blame. And i would like to know what you would have done if a random stranger would have come by before your claim, claimed the tx is his and i refunded him because of a picture he made with that tx. You surely would have screamed scammer. But now, without proof, you await me to send you the coins instantly. Learn patience! |
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His all-time profit chart:  Does this graph say that he did that the second time? Oo There is a similar spike in the middle. Though he lost it all fast again it seems. |
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new dental's record from 0.15CLAM to 14849.85CLAM in single bet congratulations <dental> [#839386047] bet 0.15 CLAM at 0.001% and won 14849.85 CLAM *** screenshot:  That was actually a really unbelievable bet. Congrats to dental, whoever hides behind that name. Hope you don't gamble it away. |
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aka he is a good dice player
That sounds like there is some art to it. The only thing you might warn about can be big bets, since those have the potential to move the house alot. That might be a warning, but not that he is a good player. |
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danke für deine interessante Meinung, gwk. Wer also glaubhaft belegen kann, dass er nicht vorhatte, mit dem Mining Gewinn zu machen, für den dürfte das nicht gelten.
Für Einkünfte aus einer Tätigkeit gilt aber später auch nicht die 1-jährige Haltefrist, nach der die Veräußerung steuerfrei ist.
Wie darf ich das verstehen? Ist die Veräußerung dann immer steuerbar oder garnicht? Wenn immer, dann wie? Ist der Veräusserungserlös dann als Einkommen aus einer Tätigkeit zu werten oder wie? Schwierig. Zunächst einmal ist da wohl der Zugewinn beim Herstellen. Der ist aber wohl erst dann zu versteuern, wenn du verkaufst. Wenn dann noch eine Wertsteigerung beim Halten dazu kommt, ist die Frage, ob das mit in die gewerbliche Tätigkeit einfliesst. Das Finanzamt könnte wohl unterstellen, dass der Zweck deines Gewerbes in dem Fall darin liegt, Bitcoins zu erzeugen und später von der Wertsteigerung zu profitieren, dann wäre der gesamte Wertzuwachs wahrscheinlich ebenfalls steuerpflichtig. Aber ich habe mich mit dem Fall noch nicht wirklich beschäftigt, deswegen ja auch mein Tipp, es gar nicht erst drauf ankommen zu lassen. Ich halte es in jedem Fall für "riskanter", geminte Coins zu halten. EDIT: Und dann natürlich noch: und was ist wenn ich keine fehlende Gewinnabsicht nachweisen kann? Muss ich dann 19% MwSt abführen?
Möglich, aber nicht unbedingt wahrscheinlich, das hängt ja letztlich von einer endgültigen Entscheidung über die umsatzsteuerliche Einordnung von Bitcoins ein. Ich persönlich gehe davon aus, dass geminte Coins umsatzsteuerfrei verkauft werden können, aber das ist wieder nur meine Meinung. Ist es nicht ganz einfach so dass alle Ausgaben die du hast, also Minerkauf, Stromkosten usw gegen den Gewinn gegengerechnet wird den du hast wenn du die Coins erhälst? Danach wird es zum Spekulationsobjekt. Ich denke nicht das das schwieriger als das ist. |
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Aber auch finde folgendes interessant: diese Bitcoins
Soll das heißt dass, wenn ich 1 Coin schon seit mehr als einem Jahr habe und mit einen weiteren Coin kaufe, dann 1 monat später einen Coin verkaufe, die Steuerschuld sich nach dem verkauften Coin richtet (alten Coin verkauft = keine Steuerschuld, neuen Coin verkauft = steuerschuld)? ja. Aber du kannst nicht einfach aussuchen welchen coin du verkaufst. Üblicherweise wird FIFO genommen (first in, first out, also alte coins werden zuerst verkauft). Was wäre dann, wenn ich mit beiden Coins einen einzigen Output generiere, der an eine anderer meiner Adresse geschickt wird und danach auf diesen output in einer neuen Tx wieder 2 Outputs zu je einem BTC an weitere 2 meiner adressen erzeuge?
Dann würde ich sagen, daß die blockchain in diesem Falle ungeeignet ist um festzustellen welchen coin du verkaufst, da innerhalb einer bitcoin Transaktion nicht getrackt wird welche inputs zu welchen Anteilen in welche outputs laufen. Also ist da keine Aussage abzuleiten und du hast dadurch nichts gewonnen oder verloren. Es ist anderweitig festzustellen welcher coin verkauft wurde (kaufzeitpunkt, kaufpreis). Im Zweifel kommt halt FIFO zum Einsatz. bitcoin.de bietet übrigens glaube ich einen Service an, welche es vereinfachen soll, das einhalten der Haltefrist nachzuweisen. Aber auch ohne diesen Service: wenn ich bei bitcoin.de 1 BTC kaufe und ihn dort (bei bitcoin.de, nachzuweisen durch die csv-dateien welche man von bitcoin.de runterladen kann, wo ja jeder transfer/kauf/verkauf aufgeführt ist) 1 Jahr liegen lasse und dann wieder via bitcoin.de verkaufe, dann ist es egal was ich zwischendurch evtl. bei bitstamp getrieben habe. Es kann dann sehr einfach nachgewiesen werden welcher coin da verkauft wurde, da er ja die ganze Zeit bei bitcoin.de rumlag. Hier benutzt man sozusagen die exchanges als "Depots" und beruft sich auf die für's FA überprüfbaren Buchungsinformationen, welche die Exchanges ja vorhalten, um den Nachweis zu führen. Innerhalb solcher Depots kann man dann fifo nehmen und bei transfers zwischen depots (z.B: bitcoin.de -> bitstamp) kann man laut meinem Steuerberater frei wählen welche coins man transferiert. Hier eröffnen sich dann doch wieder Gestaltungsmöglichkeiten. Bist du sicher mit FIFO? Ich glaube mal gelesen zu haben dass eher das Gegenteil gilt, also die ungünstigste Variante. LIFO?  Und eigentlich kann man schon genau sagen welche Coins man wann gekauft hat, selbst wenn sie gemixt wurden. Das ist doch weshalb Tainting ein Problem für Bitcoin wäre. Man könnte genau nachverfolgen welche Coins welchen Weg genommen haben. Das beinhaltet wann sie auf einer Adresse ankamen. Ich bin der Meinung dass man mit der Blockchain sogar sehr gut nachweisen kann wie lange man Coins hält. Allerdings habe ich das noch nie gebraucht da meine Coins ständig umhergewandert sind. |
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Wenn man nicht mtl 5 stellige Umsätze macht reicht eine einfache Aufstellung. Selbst wenn die nicht ganz lückenlos jeden Vorgang belegen kann oder man hier oder da Eigenbelege schreiben muss, wird das Finanzamt seinen Abwägungsspielraum ausschöpfen und eher mal einer Aussage glauben als ganz ohne.
Glaub nur nicht, das es dort streng mathematisch zugeht wenns um Glaubwürdigkeit geht. Dann wird aus der mathematischen Korrektheit ein türkischer Basar und man feilscht um Glaubwürdigkeit und Bewertung eines Vorgangs.
Daher denke ich, das eine halbwegs plausible Buchführung besser ist als keine.
Natürlich könnte man hier und da bescheissen und wenn das Finanzamt sowas akzeptiert, wieso macht es dann nicht jeder. Tja...weil jede Buchung immer 2 Konten berührt. Und beim Kauf/Verkauf sind das zwei verschiedene Personen. Glaubs oder glaubs nicht, aber wenn wir sagen, Kunde hat dies oder das gekauft und das Geld ist eingegangen wird bis hin zu den Transportkosten kontrolliert ob das zusammen passt. Und wehe man hat dann keinen transport an diese Adresse den man Nachweisen kann. Und bei Bitcoin wird das nicht viel anders sein. Man hat Spesenkosten die man gerne vom Gewinn abziehen will. Und an der Stelle taucht der "Andere" des Deals steuertechnisch auf. Und wehe dir, diese zwei Angaben passen nicht punktgenau zusammen.
Bis dahin allerdings gilt dein Wort das du das ganze korrekt erstellt hast. Was meint ihr wie schwer es zb der Bäcker hat, nachzuweisen, ob er alle verkauften Brötchen korrekt versteuert hat. Oder die Kneipe mit ihrem Ausschank. Aber auch dafür gibt es Mechanismen und Regeln und an die muss sich der Bäcker oder Wirt halten. Beim Bitcoin ist das Neuland, daher wird hier noch etwas mehr Möglichkeiten geben zu tricksen. Im laufe der Jahre wird man das aber nach und nach abstellen und das FA dazu lernen. Vieleicht wird dann auch nachträglich manches neu bewertet und eine Trickserei fliegt auf. Wer das Risiko eingehen will, dem wünsche ich viel Spaß, Erfolg wünsche ich ihm aber keinen.
Was du sagst ist korrekt. Frag nur mal einen Steuerberater. Der hat Kunden da fliegen einfach nur Quittungen usw durch die Gegend. Das Finanzamt glaubt denen erstmal. Ich denke wenn sie alles anzweifeln würden wäre das unmöglich zu stemmen. Es soll sogar Anweisungen an Finanzamtmitarbeiter geben dass Steuererklärungen unter 10000€ überhaupt nicht geprüft werden sollen. Kostendruck für Personalaufwand. Ja, Bäcker und zB Fischverkäufer haben strenge Regeln zu beachten. Selbst wie viel Fisch sie wegschmeißen wird kontrolliert. Wo das Finanzamt kann macht es Regeln. |
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It turned out really cute!
You should now build it in real life as doll, I would like one!eheh
I need the extra money and time to actually make them though. I'm going to have to stop doing my other work to do this business full time. I'll admit that I'm scared to. If I stop everything else and this doesn't pay the bills, I could potentially go back to being homeless, eating out of a can, and lose my closet specifically designed for shoes. I won't go back to packing my shoes in boxes! I NEED my shoe closet! If everyone is already showing interest though, I probably shouldn't jump to the worst case scenario though. I think it is a nice idea but i would vote against you dropping all of your other businesses. The risk would be way too high and i think it will be not easy to marketize this for a profit. Like always NEVER PUT ALL YOUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET. And that is true! |
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Ooof "An online clothing retailer told Reuters she has made no bitcoin sales since introducing the service in 2013. She asked not to be named, saying "since bitcoin's going out anyway, we'd rather not throw our name back into it."" Banks don't like Bitcoin, wow...Would you expect movie industry to support torrents? Hell no...Banks are greedy as fuck, when they'll realize the full potential of decentralized crypto, they will start kicking around them, they will send their best people to fuck up Bitcoin...this is just a start...the war between decentralized and centralized apps, internet and money etc is inevitable The problem is they are mighty and have powerfull lobbyist contacts to the lawmakers. And surely they will used these contacts. I know bitcoin has a little bit of lobbying power but the question is if it will be sufficient. |
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It sounds like there are alternatives. Not all banks closed down the bank accounts. It's similar in europe where some banks close accounts when they see it's related to bitcoin but some banks don't. I think these exchanges simply will chose other banks and move on. That's it. |
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I think the Stop Loss order might need an update. It works as intended but the problem i have is that you never can set it to buy with all of your bitcoins or sell all of your coins.
First it says Infinite in the two lower fields but when you try to send it does not accept this order. Then you adjust it but the order gets adjusted to the value of the limit. And that limit is always higher or lower than the actual price. Which means the order should get filled with better offers than limit says. At the end you will have some coins unsold or some btc not used to buy coins.
I already set the limit more near to the stop even though that risks that the order gets filled instantly in full.
What i would like to see is that the order can be used with infinite. So that all coins are sold or all btc are used to buy coins.
Can this be done? Thanks!
Hi, I think you should try to direct your idea through https://poloniex.com/featureRequest. There it has a higher chance of being read than on BCT. Thanks, i didn't know about that possibility. I try that now. Unfortunately they only allow 500 signs. Now i have to see how i can shrink the text. They really should allow more there. |
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I think the Stop Loss order might need an update. It works as intended but the problem i have is that you never can set it to buy with all of your bitcoins or sell all of your coins.
First it says Infinite in the two lower fields but when you try to send it does not accept this order. Then you adjust it but the order gets adjusted to the value of the limit. And that limit is always higher or lower than the actual price. Which means the order should get filled with better offers than limit says. At the end you will have some coins unsold or some btc not used to buy coins.
I already set the limit more near to the stop even though that risks that the order gets filled instantly in full.
What i would like to see is that the order can be used with infinite. So that all coins are sold or all btc are used to buy coins.
Can this be done? Thanks!
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Lending bitcoin would be passive way of getting our bitcoins to grow. Because in this way bitcoin makes bitcoins. So, the possibility of getting more bitcoin is higher than any other method.
Lending job is not very easy now days, there are may stammers are around so you can't believe any one so easily. They will prepare all those fake id's and accounts to get the loans. So one should be careful before lending without any collaterals. collateral is there for you, without collateral i would do any lending, but with a good collateral like their account, you are safe, you can always sell if to someone I think that to stay safe you should take account as the collateral as 120-150% of the total loan. Because not every time you can sell the accounts for the price that you lent the loan. Is it allowed for long term loan when taking the account as collateral to use it and start earning from campaigns or it is against the rules? What kind of asshole move is that? I sure as hell wouldn't want someone writing posts on my account while it was being used as collateral for a loan. The account is to sell in case of default, not as a tool for making the lender some extra money. Well there are some loans for long term, so in that case i was thinking is it allowed or not to use that collateral for personal use. Of if you have alt coins (like DOGE) and is it allowed to sell for a higher price and then buy when it is low and give back to the user. It would not be allowed except you negotiate it. The collateral is not something you own, it is something another user owns and you care for it. When you sell it then you sell something you don't own. What will you do if it wents wrong? Regardless, it's the same with any escrow on the forum. They are not allowed to use the funds they have in escrow for something like speculation. It would be a big problem if such escrow would have to say that he only can pay back later because he lost. This escrow will be dead from that time on. So no, you are not allowed to do anything with it except he defaults. That should be the best way and not to use the collateral. But what to do with the collateral if the price went down, and the user defaults? You already lost if you try selling this collateral(which in this case is ok to sell) The one lending has the obligation to check beforehand that the collateral he accepts is sufficient to back the loan. Even with future price crashs. If the user defaults then the lender can sell instantly. It's nothis obligation to run behind the debtor. |
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Man könnte ja jedem Flüchtling 1 Bitcoin als "Begrüßungsgeld" schenken.  Der Steuerzahler sollte das schon stemmen können. Wir schaffen das! *lol* Geh mit dem Vorschlag an die Öffentlichkeit und du wirst gesteinigt. Begrüßungsgeld. Die meisten Menschen muss man schon überzeugen dass wir wenigstens diejenigen VORÜBERGEHEND aufnehmen die aus Kriegsgebieten kommen. Na ist auch schwer wenn man im Fernsehen sieht dass Syrer reihenweise zum Christentum konvertieren damit sie in Deutschland als verfolgte Minderheit anerkannt werden. Naja, ist einfach ein schweres Thema voller Verallgemeinerungen von beiden Seiten. Jeder hat irgendwo Recht aber jede Seite geht auch irgendwo zu weit oft genug. |
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you can't beat the global ledger. you can't beat the power of mining staff. so, Bitcoin will be always the solution. I want more money ! ---> Bitcoin. I want a house ! ---> Bitcoin. I want a job ! Why ? Bitcoin ! I want friends ! Well, i prefer girlfriends ... Bitcoin !I don't know about Bitcoin getting you a girlfriend. Do you think Bitcoin could get this guy a girlfriend? He looks like a fat pig and I think most girls would turn him down no matter how many Bitcoins he had.  He might get hookers with much Bitcoins (if he was very lucky), but getting him a girlfriend is different. Bitcoins can buy you hookers, blow, and lambos, but there are some things you can't buy, especially if you look like the guy in that picture. Bitcoins can't buy you love. Especially the girls you would want as a girlfriend would not care much about how much money you have. They care more about the future you will have, how you work on it. And let me say you something... the girls that you can attract with money... you really don't want them. Only when you are lucky they love you and not your money. They are more like hookers. Sex for money. You really want to avoid them if you want an emotional pleasing relationship. |
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If bitcointalk got rid of lending and signature campaigns, it would be a much better place. People should not be getting loans on a discussion board. Friends or family or professional lending places exist for that. Both the lending section and all of these sig campaigns are why assholes from around the world flock to this forum.
If you would take away this then you would hurt one of the main characteristics of bitocin. Bitcoin is money so everything related to money needs to happen. This is no forum for a different topic. Bitcoin IS money from the start and a big part dicussed was trades and such. You can't take that away. Yes those things need to happen but not necessarily on this forum. Signature campaigns add nothing and encourage lousy posts, lending brings in all the scammers. Just my opinion. Sorry but this is arbitrary. You never heard of the biggest scams happening on this forum? They were investments. Some fully scam, some inept businessmens, some businessman with exceptional bad luck. The same goes for trades. How many trades are scammy? Or currency exchange. Stopping loans is somewhat arbitrary. In fact loans are THE area that could be the most secure if every lender would be smart and only lend out with a nice big collateral. Though sometimes the greed wins over being smart. It's no reason to ban loans. Maybe ban loans for newbies, yes, i would be with you. But generally it can be very safe. And signature campaigns? Yeah, many posts happen without being constructive. Though many posts that are helpful happen only because they get a payment too. If you find a spammer then report his posts. Staff will take care of it. Or notify the signature campaign runner. I'm sure most of them want to keep their campaign clean. I mean it's advertising for them. They don't want bad advertising. |
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