I have the wallet files backed up and restored but my password isn't working thus I'm unable to send any funds out. The hacker likely didn't move the funds because he already knows he has full control over them and can move them anytime they want.
And no, I won't be needing to ask for donations. Not like anyone would want to donate directly to me anyway after all of this. It is my own fuck up for getting keylogged or whatever it was, I don't expect or want anyone to step in for me. I'll be able to repay everyone on my own.
Normally hacker move instantly. Why taking a risk at all? And it would be plain stupid to let it lay in these addresses because he would have to fear that you have a hidden backup with the private keys on your pc, so that you can access it once you have access to the pc. So it makes no sense to me why he did let it lie there. And the password for your wallet, how could he have achieved it? It's not that a hacked email account could give him that password. How did you check that the password did not work? You mentioned you mounted the harddisc externally, hopefully from another, clean OS, so that he could not infect instantly again. Better would be a different pc to protect against bootsector viruses too. You say your password doesn't work again but for me it makes no sense that he did not withdraw instantly. It was a big and unnecessary risk. |
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My methods work perfectly but it takes years to proof it...
So far i have never lost money with my sites and the few members who have trust me have always made few cash...
except once...when liberty reserve goes down...
Wow, then you try this since a long time already. I believe i lost something above 100 USD when liberty reserve went down too. So far the only hyip i know that went for a couple of years was uinvest. But i checked now and it seems it finally ended now too. With a scam... not surprisingly. See: https://www.facebook.com/UInvestRipOffSince they were so long in the business i already thought they do something different, like being a website fromu ukrainian mafia to wash black money but it seems they were only a plain scam too. I did not really take part at that time, i checked out hyip's some years ago before bitcoin came up, i earned only a bit of money from trading shares there. At the end i thought this is way too fishy. The profits the projects they sold should have brought, additionally to pay back the investors, would have been way way too high even for a normal business that doesn't have to pay back a loan. It was simply stupid to trust them. Though i know that over time many put all their lifesavings into, and that weren't only 10k of usd often. Well, hyip's are always a bad idea, even when you think you can beat the system by investing as the first and withdrawing so that you can get out without losing... there will always come a time when all hyips only live for 2 days or so and instantly default. I never met one who could make money with that over a longer time. They lose always at one point in time. It's really nothing to bet on. |
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Yep, just more people trying to fuck with me. Great.
Obviously some people on the forum really doesn't want to see this get resolved.
Fuck this community.
You really should not put everyone in one pot. You know quite well that bitcoin world is a huge shark pool but that doesn't mean for sure that there are a lot of honest people in there too. Though i have seen this kind of disappointment way too often already. So many bitcoiners left the community, it's not even funny.  I think it's obvious that he si not the real one. I didn't answer the OP but the other real master P  who now confirmed that he can verify himself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.msg13398178#msg13398178Saying that... i will neg rep the OP for playing fun in this disaster. It's not funny or anything. |
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Yep, just more people trying to fuck with me. Great.
Obviously some people on the forum really doesn't want to see this get resolved.
Fuck this community.
You really should not put everyone in one pot. You know quite well that bitcoin world is a huge shark pool but that doesn't mean for sure that there are a lot of honest people in there too. Though i have seen this kind of disappointment way too often already. So many bitcoiners left the community, it's not even funny. |
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Roger Ver is an idiot. He got rich for owning bitcoin early, doing absolutely nothing to earn his wealth. He only gets attention for being rich, and has never benefited the community positively. All he does is to earn more money and earn himself a reputation. He deserves the ridicule.
are you serious? he is one of the biggest bitcoin advocates in the space, he spends thousands of dollars for advertising bitcoin, he travels around the world to speak about bitcoin ("bitcoin jesus"), he donated a ton of money, he funds small companies, he runs full nodes...just to name a few things you know?  What does he get from all this? Or is he really some kind of btc Messiah? I guess if your riches are bound to bitcoin and cryptocurrencies it is an investment too to make bitcoin successfull. So the more adoption, the more legal status bitcoin gets the safer your investment is and the higher is the worth of your money rising. Of course he might be an idealist only too. |
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This is very encouraging, hopefully people will get their coins back and master-p can clear his name  . well good luck with that last part an escrow who disappears for weeks and doesn't keep wallet backups... no thank you and until everyone is made 100% it's premature to claim anything. Remember we have two conflicting messages now signed by to two "real" master-p users Yeah I agree. Problem being even if master-p was really hacked, I don't see why he would repay everything from his own pocket. I see no point here but to prove his honesty. It would be just a question of honor. Well, I don't know a lot of people that would pay 10k$ from their own pocket for a question of honor! Though I hope it's the case of course. It's not a question of honour only. If he would not pay back it would mean embezzling money. Which again would mean that he could be made legally liable. Of course he would want to avoid that. If he could not pay back all in one then he would have to suggest a payback plan or something. Though when he really is able to access the wallets safely now then it should be doable pretty fast to refund everyone. Hope this story ends well. |
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(all of them, forum, steam, email, including his wallet) were in some way hacked, leading to this whole fiasco.
Reading this, makes me think if his stuff was stolen, and ended like this, someone might have grabbed his lastpass password in some kind of way. This is the only thing I can think of how he lost it all. You would not believe how many people use the same password on every site. Though i doubt master-P would have done that. Though it might be that he used the same email on many accounts and the accounts passwords were reset through email. |
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I don't see why people are believing that legal issue is going to help in any way. Account sales are allowed on the forum (they are discouraged) and if he proves it no one can do shit.This can also happen with newbie account's cause people are just trusting and no contracts are being signed and nothing legal is being done cause it again involves taxes and legal issues in order to promote the company or the signature here. Many newbie scam's take place does it becomes a legal issue ? NO ,it's your trust which people abused. This is global issue and none rules are applied.If a guy (like P) is managing multiple escrows and signaturing as well then he can easily make more than 6+ coins a month and 70+ coins a year but is he paying any taxes for that ? NO.There is nothing legal in the whole issue and there is no other way to get the funds back other than going to his home and kicking his ass. Even when he really can proove he sold the account, which will be hard to prove legally when he even can't show the real details of the buyer, then he allowed others to impersonate him. I think at least on civil rights he could be made liable and he would have to pay for damages. Though i'm no lawyer of course. And it might depend on his country. No, because account sales is allowed and this could have also happened from all of the accounts which were sold since the beginning. The question would be like - who asked you to trust ? why didn't you used some reputed escrow ? Even if he proves everything i don't like to believe in stories which are fishy as hell and from the start,no reason for the hacker to ask yahoo to send the funds to the tipping address if he isn't having any control of it ? and why won't he move the funds if he has the keys ? is the hacker/scammer regretting by seeing people crying and the community losing hope/trust/believe over the Green Trees and DT and thinking to return the funds and messaging master-p one by one? hahahaha..yeah i believe that. Though he might get a strong support from other DT members or maybe not but it doesn't matter's anymore. To be straight i don't find a reason to believe any motherfucker just because he has been spending time somewhere and got a chance to get into the cliques while i was having a good time in some other communities.Trust doesn't works that way at least not for me. after all, It works until it doesn't.i dont care what anyone says about QS, fact remains hes absolutely great at detective work, and hes found numerous bits of info that points to an exit scam rather than an account sale and the new owner scamming.
He actually didn't believed that and he neither wanted to do some digging ,check his first post.But i agree with that. Even when account sales are allowed on the forum, it doesn't change legal liabilities. If you allow others to impersonate you then it is as good as taking part in the scam. You made it possible. On top he most probably can't proove a sale (if it happened at all, story changes hourly it seems) because the buyer most probably is anonymous. And no court will believe you that you sold to a person you don't know. They can't verify and you could have faked it easily. Well, for now it seems the sold account story is not actual anymore. |
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It sounds like an interesting suggestion. Though i wonder about some things. For creating an escrow would all 4 escrows be needed right? It would surely take some more time until all escrows were online since most escrows that are more established can't be online all day on bitcointalk. So the traders would need to deal with the fact that it would take some more time.
Though when the deal is for, let's say, more than 10k USD then this definitely would be a way traders would consider. An escrow network would have a big advantage against an automated multisig network where no escrow decisions will take place. And the involvement of 4 escrows would make it pretty safe.
For smaller transactions, if someone still wants to use multisig, it might be an idea to lower the amount of escrows to 2 and the other 2 might be buyer and seller. Though i did not yet go deeper into the mechanisms since it practically never happens that someone asks for multisig escrow. This might change with the current events around master-P.
So i think it is a nice idea.
So 3 small points remains... since many escrows would take part it would mean a tip would be have to shared. The trade would take more time and electrum takes an additional fee for multisig transactions. Didn't check how high it is.
The advantage would be a high security. Which definitely would be great for bigger, risky transactions.
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He wrote something about his wallet needs a verification from his smartphone. Does Armory support 2FA maybe? It might be an explaination for why the coins didn't move. Of course only when you want to take his story. if the private keys were compromised, which, if this story is true, they should be considering the signed message linked in my quoted post, the hacker wouldnt need any sort of 2FA to move the coins. the private keys would give a hypothetical hacker full control of the coins regardless of whatever security measures armory provides. Though only one thing can be possible. Either the private keys are compromised and the "hacker" can sign message AND withdraw the funds or the funds are out of reach for the hacker and the private keys are NOT compromised. I think the only storyline without inconsistencies is that master-P made an exit scam and wrote all of this himself or he lost the private keys and can't reclaim the bitcoins and he had the stupid idea to try getting out of this. He might have thought he might be able to avoid paying back of the escrowed funds. Maybe now, when he slowly realizes his stories have too many holes, he gives in and claims he will pay back slowly. All speculation at this point unfortunately. |
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At this point I don't think it matters who believes me or not.
If I can't restore access to my wallets to return everyone's funds, or the hacker succeeds in transferring the coins out of the escrow wallets then I will compensate everyone out of my own pocket at the best of my abilities.
My reputation has been tarnished. Scammer or not, my poor security practices to allow such an event to take place has forever ruined my reputation in this community. Therefore after I have (hopefully) resolved and repaid everyone, I will be leaving this community permanently. Regardless if I get "dox'd" or not. I am not a scammer, this whole thing is just a huge misfortune for everyone including myself.
I would want to believe you but there is no way i can imagine you sitting around 14 days without the need of logging into bitcointalk. If you would have tried to do so then you would have warned everyone 2 weeks ago. You have a convincing explaination for that? |
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The real master-P would re-pay his customers out of his own pocket, would he've been hacked. As far as that does not happened, this is a scam.
I'm so damn sorry to see this, not only as customers of mine got scammed, but for the whole bitcoin community.
I would have thought so too but the real master-P would have come with a convincing explaination long ago. He didn't. the explainations that came in make no sense on every edge of story. |
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Next thing is, many pools will not even have the ability to follow that request. Excluding a transaction or input address needs code in place to be able to do so. I doubt many will have such possibility built in already. I think it is fully futile to await that a transaction can be kept from confirming that way. Not sure how far this is feasible. But I got an idea.
How about us all contacting all the mining pools and ask them not to confirm the transactions that spend coins from the escrow addresses unless the coins are sent to the real owners.
For example, we ask them to confirm the transaction which spends the coins from 18PJHZTTPvcWrpBMnFStgyuphpvuwTgT3k to 1QF1Eo1mXv7M93FuntAHuiSGx2wkpxqJem. This is so because that address was given to me via master-P to me for escrow for a trade. Only such transaction will be confirmed.
This will at least temporarily force him to refund the money. I need some opinions from people before this happens. Imo thats impractical. Youre forgetting about the solo miners here  They are like 0.1-1%, if that happens, then its inevitable. But most big pools can do this. Still, not every pool will care about this. Many will be slow to respond, and the scammer may send his coins any time before they announce the changes. |
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All you self-righteous assholes can suck a bag of dicks. Its real easy to sit on the sidelines and criticize others, but what have you done to help this community? I have been here since 2011, and I sure as fuck have paid for my attempts to point out corruption around here (even when staff are involved), but none of you self-righteous slits were there then backing me up were you? I don't owe you or this community anything, so you can just get in line with the rest to go fuck yourself with your judgements and condemnations. Maybe next time I will just keep it to myself and you idiots can scour the net for his details yourself.
(P.S. Hey geniuses, releasing some ones DOX means you end any leverage you have over a scammer. I am giving him an opportunity to make this right and return the coins before doxing him, but keep judging people morally, it will take you places.)
point taken, but i only said i didnt condone it, nothing more, nothing less. thats just my opinion. I don't normally condone it either, but I am a firm believer in common law justice. Once you break the laws of society you have no more rights by the community than an animal does. IMO this is the only way to remind those that would harm others how near they are to being harmed themselves, and that they are protected only by that paper thin concept of civil society, and thus need to learn to protect it rather than exploit it lest it be revoked and they live as outcasts, open game for anyone to freely abuse. A true American! Trump would be proud of you! It gives such a positive image of the community. I really feel at home! And yet people wonder why btc is not on the late adoption part? Well maybe the community is a bit responsible no? No law, no trust... And when something goes wrong you all go on a rampage, digging up personal data for... For what? Finding him IRL and beat him up? Yeah sure! i feel so safe with all of you guys <3 Not everyone is a thug who would beat him to a pulp. In fact i doubt that anyone would do, it's probably only anger and a big mouth. But there are people who would sue him just for serving justice. And you really don't think that selling information that allows to impersonate you and sell money that was given you as a trustee is legally pretty fine don't you? He can be made liable most probably. |
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He wrote something about his wallet needs a verification from his smartphone. Does Armory support 2FA maybe? It might be an explaination for why the coins didn't move. Of course only when you want to take his story. |
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Hi everyone, I am the REAL master-p.
MY ACCOUNT WAS NEVER SOLD.
It was hacked.
I seem to have gotten keylogged and have lost all my saved passwords including my accounts on bitcointalk, gmail, keybase, etc.
Right now I don't have access to my PGP key, my bitcointalk and gmail account, and my skype account which I seldom use.
I believe I got hacked on the 14th or 15th where I mistakenly downloaded something which may have caused the keylogger/malware to be installed.
I did not know it was a keylogger at the time and then shortly after that I went out of town. After the evenining of the 14th I no longer had constant access to the internet. When I did get wifi I tried to log in to bitcointalk but oddly found that my saved password wasn't working on my mobile. I assume that my mobile was not synced correctly to my desktop's saved password.
After getting back online and seeing all this it now makes sense. I am not currently at home, and I won't be for another week or so.
I can assume my private keys have been exposed as well since it seems like the hacker has gained control of my wallet on my desktop PC. Looks like the hacker may also have access to my steam account now but the password has not been changed as the steam guard has protected me on that front.
It is also safe to assume the hacker has been impersonating me via PMs, e-mail, and even Skype and now has pull off this terrible scam.
At this point is there anything I can do? I have remote access to my desktop. If there's any way for me to remedy this or to change my bitcoin wallet passwords please let me know.
Right now my computer is shut off, I guess a power outage happened but I can get it booted up remotely. I don't want to turn it on though as I assume the keylogger/hacker would gain immediate access to all my info again if he has not already.
Is there a way for me to safely change my wallet passwords without having to log in to my main PC where my Armory wallet is installed?
Guys I'm sorry this happened. I wish I had seen this sooner but I didn't have time to find wifi to sign on while I'm out of town.
I will check back here whenever I can for the next week or so but I can't guarantee any fast responses.
I looked up a few of the addresses and see the funds are not moved, including my tipping address where all the funds are still there. Is there a chance the hacker can't change my wallet password because my computer is turned off, thus unable to move the funds?
So you want to say that you found that you could not log in into your bitcointalk account half a month ago. And all the time up till now your escrow liabilities allowed you to NOT log in for 2 weeks? This story is simply stupid. You would have needed to try the next day because you most probably would have gotten a number of pm's because of escrow. There is no way your story could be real. Anyway... for the nearly non existent chance you are speak the truth... you need to go home, disconnect your internet, boot up in safe mode, or no, way better, boot with a linux live DVD or CD. Then copy over your armory to a safe computer. No keylogger could hurt you that way and you would be able to access the escrow funds. If your story is true you would be able to show the truth of your story in some days. I don't see that coming though. |
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I don't see why people are believing that legal issue is going to help in any way. Account sales are allowed on the forum (they are discouraged) and if he proves it no one can do shit.This can also happen with newbie account's cause people are just trusting and no contracts are being signed and nothing legal is being done cause it again involves taxes and legal issues in order to promote the company or the signature here. Many newbie scam's take place does it becomes a legal issue ? NO ,it's your trust which people abused. This is global issue and none rules are applied.If a guy (like P) is managing multiple escrows and signaturing as well then he can easily make more than 6+ coins a month and 70+ coins a year but is he paying any taxes for that ? NO.There is nothing legal in the whole issue and there is no other way to get the funds back other than going to his home and kicking his ass. Even when he really can proove he sold the account, which will be hard to prove legally when he even can't show the real details of the buyer, then he allowed others to impersonate him. I think at least on civil rights he could be made liable and he would have to pay for damages. Though i'm no lawyer of course. And it might depend on his country. |
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That proves absolutely nothing. Everything was transferred in the sale, meaning that the escrow could have been completed seamlessly.
That's a point i can't believe again. Who in their right mind would sell a forum account including wallet that maybe contains 10 bitcoins for 1 or 2 bitcoins? It's pathetic to believe that this could have happened. So stupid can nobody be. Especially not an escrow who is trained to sniff out potential scams. No, beyond possible. How can you not believe that people are that stupid? People overpay for coins on purse.io and others think that the super big discounts are legitimate. People buy miners for an amount of money that could buy more btc on the market than the miners could ever hope to mine before becoming obsolete. People think they can outsmart everyone in the entire section of the forum dedicated to ponzi schemes. There is a 92 page thread in the gambling section debating the merits of something that you learn doesn't work in the first day of statistics class. there are people who think that moving a miner across a warehouse and changing the address that the coins go to counts as shipping a product. You can find someone stupider than someone who thinks they aren't a scammer or are somehow legitimate by selling those escrow coins to someone else to steal instead of stealing them himself on the 1st page of every subsection of this forum. The errors you describe are mostly done by newbies. They never heard of rising difficulty, only that there are magic money machines that print money. And so on. But master-p was an escrow for a long time. He wouldn't have survived when he would be so stupid that he could be easily scammed. He would have learned to identify the possible risks. Because of that i can't imagine that he sold the account without knowing very well what will happen. In fact i doubt he sold at all. I tend to believe the recent problems with "reindexing" the blockchain on his wallet might be in fact a loss of his wallet and he had no backup. No the easiest way out might have been this story. Well this is completely an idea to make sense out of this only. He scammed regardless of how you look at it. |
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That proves absolutely nothing. Everything was transferred in the sale, meaning that the escrow could have been completed seamlessly.
That's a point i can't believe again. Who in their right mind would sell a forum account including wallet that maybe contains 10 bitcoins for 1 or 2 bitcoins? It's pathetic to believe that this could have happened. So stupid can nobody be. Especially not an escrow who is trained to sniff out potential scams. No, beyond possible. What training? I remember thinking back when he started escrowing people were putting a lot of trust in him very quickly, and it was concerning to me. I think this was partially a result of the difficulties surrounding other leading providers at the time, then after he did a few transactions he started farming trust ratings and then appeared to be very trusted by gaming the trust system (who knew that was possible amiright?). After that he was free to run his long cons. This is what you get when you have a trust system based on politics and associations rather than the actual number of successful trades, amounts, period of service, etc. We all know which ostrich with their head in the sand we have to thank for that. People are getting far too lax and demand everything be easy, and they want someone to promise them everything will be ok and to tuck them in. These things happen and instantly people demand more centralization and some overseer to fix the problem, but you are too blinded by your own compulsion for security to see that centralization is exactly what put you at risk in the first place. Take responsibility for your own trades and researching your trading partners. Build your own REAL trust lists, not based on +1's and -1's but on your knowledge of your trading partner and building your own real networks of trust, not just username profiles. Well, you know i don't think the trust system is perfect, i only think that a trust system built only on the work of their members will lead to more scams than now because users will safe the work to create their trust list way too often. With training i meant more that escrows have to be very cautious. If it isn't for their clients it is for themselves since it might very well be possible to scam an escrow directly. For fear of reputation loss or similar things. Because of that you need to find out the possible risks. And since he was an escrow for a longer time he NEEDS to know what would happen. In my eyes it's not possible that he did not know. |
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