@eilovp
Any test or attempt on RX 470?
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Question for you Phil. I know that you said Eliovp's linux build will boot up and start mining automatically, but would the image straight from the factory be able to run headless? Basically without a monitor, keyboard or a mouse plugged into it? Will it boot without video connected to it if you set it to auto login and throw the batch file into the startup? Thanks.
Yes, completely headless. Start up, mining will start automatically. Greetings Eliovp..... would we need a VNC or Teamviewer builtin into the Linux OR.... the your management and monitoring module takes care of all the essential mining stuff. I am keen on lights out operations, headless and KISS. Manager takes care of almost everything. If you do need access for some reason you can always ssh into the system (you can use putty or some other client on Windows to do that.). Greetings |
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Question for you Phil. I know that you said Eliovp's linux build will boot up and start mining automatically, but would the image straight from the factory be able to run headless? Basically without a monitor, keyboard or a mouse plugged into it? Will it boot without video connected to it if you set it to auto login and throw the batch file into the startup? Thanks.
Yes, completely headless. Start up, mining will start automatically. Greetings |
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Iv found 900 mhz gpu clock and 400 mhz memory clock to be the best setting for the nano. I can only undeevolt -72mv using trixx 3.0 but is there any other program i can use to undervolt further? Or do i gave to make custom bios? If so how to i go about that? Thank you
Hey, sorry for not being very active in my own thread here.. You can just use afterburner (go to settings and unlock those voltages "you'll need to restart though"). After that, you'll be able to go to -100mV (which is also the most stable setting). Good luck! Greetings! |
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This is not a political thread.
So please don't make it that.
This is a good piece of gear. It is ½ the size of a normal gpu miner.
and for some people changing from Chinese to their language will not be easy.
The lack of a "real legit" windows enterprise LTSB key is Microsofts choice .
Simply because of the way they structure enterprise keys.
I do believe I can up grade from enterprise LTSB to enterprise and purchase a legit enterprise key.
I do not have a problem with that.
The gear has mined ZEC very well for me.
I would like to have this with three msata ssds.
1)oem
2) oem cloned and upgraded to Enterprise not Enterprise LTSB
3) linux with improved roms.
ZEC works well
ETH crashes
XMR not tested
EOS not tested
OS + management + monitoring + roms (auto flash) is almost done, give me a few days and it'll be good to go! Greetings! Would Claymore ethman or equivalent solution part of your Linux package? Equivalent but better, easier and a lot more interesting for large farm development. You'll be able to switch from any miner to any other miner, any algo to any other algo. Greetings! Lovely! I am wondering if can intergrate SRR into a rack of Pandas? What is SRR ? a remote system of some kind? Philip - https://simplemining.net/page/simpleRigResetterI am also using their Linux miner solution for 5 of my rigs currently in the GPU farm. SRR is basically a remote relay solution to reset your rig remotely -- think cheap APC switched PDU. Just plug in SRR to replace your on-off switch on mobo and off you go -useful for remote sites. Eliovop may have an alternative solution....  It's basically just PicoIP, google it.. I have one as well, works nice, costs around 30 bucks and i can switch on/off 16 rigs with one module.  Greetings! |
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This is not a political thread.
So please don't make it that.
This is a good piece of gear. It is ½ the size of a normal gpu miner.
and for some people changing from Chinese to their language will not be easy.
The lack of a "real legit" windows enterprise LTSB key is Microsofts choice .
Simply because of the way they structure enterprise keys.
I do believe I can up grade from enterprise LTSB to enterprise and purchase a legit enterprise key.
I do not have a problem with that.
The gear has mined ZEC very well for me.
I would like to have this with three msata ssds.
1)oem
2) oem cloned and upgraded to Enterprise not Enterprise LTSB
3) linux with improved roms.
ZEC works well
ETH crashes
XMR not tested
EOS not tested
OS + management + monitoring + roms (auto flash) is almost done, give me a few days and it'll be good to go! Greetings! Would Claymore ethman or equivalent solution part of your Linux package? Equivalent but better, easier and a lot more interesting for large farm development. You'll be able to switch from any miner to any other miner, any algo to any other algo. Greetings! |
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This is not a political thread.
So please don't make it that.
This is a good piece of gear. It is ½ the size of a normal gpu miner.
and for some people changing from Chinese to their language will not be easy.
The lack of a "real legit" windows enterprise LTSB key is Microsofts choice .
Simply because of the way they structure enterprise keys.
I do believe I can up grade from enterprise LTSB to enterprise and purchase a legit enterprise key.
I do not have a problem with that.
The gear has mined ZEC very well for me.
I would like to have this with three msata ssds.
1)oem
2) oem cloned and upgraded to Enterprise not Enterprise LTSB
3) linux with improved roms.
ZEC works well
ETH crashes
XMR not tested
EOS not tested
OS + management + monitoring + roms (auto flash) is almost done, give me a few days and it'll be good to go! Greetings! |
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I don't think jstefanop being negative, being frank maybe. He has many valid points and he agrees you deserve credit for YOUR modded ROMs.
With that being said, you're giving misleading information regarding the NIC. Obviously you were able to either find the driver or compile it yourself.
A lspci command should tell you the NIC and yes it's a custom board but not a custom NIC controller. If all else fails, just use a USB NIC!
So you had to switch from UEFI to legacy...
And perhaps you had to disable the onboard video and use HDMI1 (connected to GPU) to install amdgpu-pro driver...
All this info will be posted when more people get their PMs....
You do make it sound that it's easy, i never said it's difficult. But you seem to forget that the avarage joe has no experience with *nix based systems.. I'm even willing to zip up the drivers. I don't mind Plus that it doesn't change the fact the OS has everything you need to plug and play, monitor, etc.. That is what this is all about. Oh, and not to forget, the roms as well. Like i was going to ask for a donation/payment whatever you're willing to call it to just have a simple standard ubuntu installation with the correct drivers. No i'm not.... This is much more than that. Greetings Although, after recieving a pm regarding the nic issue, i had to test this, i downloaded the latest ubuntu, latest kernel, and yes the nic is perfectly supported on this one . So in other words, you can easily install a copy of the latest ubuntu and it'll work. No you obviously won't have any other drivers configured, like AMDGPU, .. , it'll be full of things you don't really need as a miner, but it'll work I'm almost finished with a completely custom copy specially made for pandaminer. Plug & play, auto flashes gpu's on first boot, you can choose your miner/algo, check stats and sit back and relax Greetings! |
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I don't think jstefanop being negative, being frank maybe. He has many valid points and he agrees you deserve credit for YOUR modded ROMs.
With that being said, you're giving misleading information regarding the NIC. Obviously you were able to either find the driver or compile it yourself.
A lspci command should tell you the NIC and yes it's a custom board but not a custom NIC controller. If all else fails, just use a USB NIC!
So you had to switch from UEFI to legacy...
And perhaps you had to disable the onboard video and use HDMI1 (connected to GPU) to install amdgpu-pro driver...
All this info will be posted when more people get their PMs....
You do make it sound that it's easy, i never said it's difficult. But you seem to forget that the avarage joe has no experience with *nix based systems.. I'm even willing to zip up the drivers. I don't mind Plus that it doesn't change the fact the OS has everything you need to plug and play, monitor, etc.. That is what this is all about. Oh, and not to forget, the roms as well. Like i was going to ask for a donation/payment whatever you're willing to call it to just have a simple standard ubuntu installation with the correct drivers. No i'm not.... This is much more than that. Greetings |
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New hardware will always happen, i still own a bunch of 290's from back in 2014, they're still running rock solid.
But i get the point. What could and would be interesting in this story is perhaps the fact that these mx gpu's might be replacable by new gen mx cards. But i'm not very sure about that though. Would be ideal!
This is where a PC is more modular and cost savings come into play if the cards are NOT upgradable. Perhaps the manufacturers could comment on the ability to upgrade the cards. You can compare this somehow with "antminers", you buy them, you plug them in and let them run and shout. After a while they get old, you can't replace them, like you can with "single" gpu's. You can however replace them by buying new ones.. That's where the pandaminer story is a bit better. It will last longer as you will always be able to mine other algo's, no you probably won't be the fastest after a while but you will be able to be profitable none the less. The bigger difference is the fact that you might be able to upgrade those mx cards (not yet totally clear, but there is a chance..) The only fact i do completely agree on is the resale value of regular GPU's, which is a lot better |
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Genuinely interested, though I have a few thoughts.
To understand the value of pre-built pre-configured Linux image, one needs to understand how much work is required to get one up and running. I would like to suggest that Eliovp do a simple write-up explaining the difficulties he encountered in getting a Linux OS up and running. A tutorial would be ideal, but it's probably too ambitious to ask for one during this donation round. Moreover, since you're doing a donation round to build a custom Linux image for the Pandaminer, I'd like to suggest that you may as well go the extra mile and build it to a level which turns the Pandaminer into a plug & play appliance. It should gather more steem.
As for the ROMs, I understand VDCC offset / undervolt / overclock stability is very much dependent on the ASIC quality of the 480 chips in the miner.
Questions to Eliovp:
1. How can you guarantee that your ROMs will be stable on any Pandaminer, without knowing what the actual ASIC quality is on them?
2. How do you plan to get the ROMs updated on the GPUs? Automatically by means of a script that runs the first time your Linux OS is loaded? Or manually by providing a tutorial to people who get the full bundle?
3. What fallback options do you have in mind in case of bricked GPUs?
4. Do you also plan to built a miner management interface (maybe web-based) and include it in your Linux build?
Hey TheRider, Sure thing. Obviously i'm not going to write a tutorial here or write down the steps i had to take to be able to have my setup like i have it right now. It's like you said yourself, the purpose of those thread would be kind of pointless. You said to go the extra mile and make this plug & play. Well, i already have. It is plug and play. As i've mentioned before, what i've done would be ideal for big farms, they could just place them, plug them in and sit back and relax. Romwise, yes, you have a point, but that's the thing, assuming the gpu's they deliver with the PM are all the same, i added a global vddc offset, so in other words, the voltage controller will still calculate what the gpu needs "volt wise". The only difference is that it starts calculating from a lower starting point. I didn't drop the power to hard just to be sure that it remains stable (-31mV). And so far so good, after a week, still rock solid. 1. I don't need to know the asic quality, i'm pretty sure they will remain stable. And if you do happen to have one that can't handle it (which i highly doubt) just send me a pm with the original rom (so i know you have one) and i will change it. 2. Good question. Second question here will probably be the answer. I can automate this without the chance of bricking them. Trust me, i can . 3. The only way "in this case" to brick them is if someone would flash a faulthy rom or completely different one. If you stick with the one i offer, this won't happen. 4. Yes. Sorry, this may be slightly more tangential for this thread....
The RX 500 series will be out later this half, most likely May or June. The information I read is that the efficiency is supposed to be quite good. I'm curious to see the price and throughput of these "next gen" cards. This next card release gives me pause on buying a Panda based off of RX400s. I understand that HBM2-based Vega cards will be prolly 250/300W cards.
New hardware will always happen, i still own a bunch of 290's from back in 2014, they're still running rock solid. But i get the point. What could and would be interesting in this story is perhaps the fact that these mx gpu's might be replacable by new gen mx cards. But i'm not very sure about that though. Would be ideal! Greetings. |
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Ive never heard of any modern NIC that not PCIe based...I understand charging for moded roms, but for a free OS that needs a few configuration changes and some drivers installed is a bit of a stretch.
ill probably buy one of these and ill just post a working linux clone as soon as I get it, or more easily the instructions needed to run it on linux.
Ok, i might have just not been clear enough. This isn't your average joe NIC, it's a custom main board and it's an integrated one. Not one you can just go and order online. It indeed is a free OS, very true, but just maybe, it could be completely automated  . Perhaps it's even designed for large farms... You shouldn't be so negative. I'm not 100% sure so correct me on this if i'm wrong but i reckon to have seen other posts of you trying to put certain things in a bad daylight when someone "could" make some money... It almost seems like you're a bit jealous Greetings! Edit: And no, i haven't always been so "holy" either.. |
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seriously? just download 16.04 ubuntu and install the amdgpu-pro drivers...
If it was only that easy Well, yeah, it is that easy, but there are no supported drivers for the NIC, which is a PCIe NIC. If you boot the system, go into the bios of the main board, you'll see as first boot "windows boot loader", not just the msata disk like in any other case. So in other words, just installing ubuntu, yeah, perhaps It wasn't "just" installing ubuntu when i first got it.. It has everything pre-configured, every single miner out there is on it ready to run with a perfectly optimized config for each algo out there. Oh yeah, but that's already clear enough, modified roms, so not only copied straps but custom ones and of course VDDC offset added. Greetings. [...] pandaminer [...] It might be better option for Evliop to contact them , and try to get a deal with them for his hard work This. Exactly my thought. You should contact them and you'll quickly notice how awesome communicating with those guys is |
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Hm seems like fans are not controlable ? Anyone mastered changing fanspeed on this panda ?
Nope, they're directly connected to the mainboard. I'm working on a sollution for this as i don't need them to run at 100% |
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Linux + modded roms make this rig ALOT more interesting & attractive BUT i still cringe @ the 6 months warranty, if you don't pay for electricity you can ROI it just @ the end of the warranty, but if you do pay for it, it's gonna be longer. (ok some could argue after 6 months usually computer parts, especially if they ran for 6 months 24/7 shouldn't fail) but it still make me reluctant to try my luck.... Keep up the good work man anyway Yeah, it does and thx Anyhow, they have a good decent product, the only thing they lack is marketing and a decent after sales policy.. We'll see, perhaps they'll come to their senses.. |
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write a batch file that opens 5-6 separate command windows. I do this all the time. I'm not going to flash them 1 by one... So basically 6 command windows (opened as admin) and each of them flashing 1 card.. simple and never had an issue doing that. Greetings Edit: go 1 by 1 better safe than sorry
What i do is technically one by one |
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Lego it is! Some more modifications (again rom wise) Almost 800h per card  (not giving up!)  Still 4A!! |
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Some more results. So XMR still at 4amps (880watt) after 15hrs. Picture:  Also did a quick testrun on ethereum using the latest available Claymore miner (bad comparison vs Windows as the latest release there is newer and faster, i tested this and it is faster..) I will test with genoil's as well later today. 236Mh while consuming 5.3A (1166watt) most consumption i've seen as of now.. Picture:  Did a testrun for zcash as well. 1730H while consuming 4.9A (1078watt)Picture:  Then i did some minor modifcations (rom wise)  Improved hashrate and same consumption. So still 4A (880 watt) but this time hitting 6400h Picture:  Again, overall, i must say, awesome machine. This could be seriously interesting for bigger farms. I made it so that i just plug in the power, it boots and starts mining. Other algo, no problem. Switch and go. Greetings! |
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Maybe Helios would be willing to setup a donation address to fund his Pandaminer OS build and ROM's project?  I'm really thinking very hard about this. I have some idea's though. Will first test further and see if everythign remains stable. So far so good. Greetings! |
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Phil, some questions:
1. 4GB RAM enough? I know 8GB RAM is just nice, 16GB maybe overkill in a miner rig. Did you have to setup 16GB minimum for windows virtual file, as required by Claymore to run his miners?
2. Pandaminer paint and finish seems nice from pix -- good sturdy build? At a glance from your pix the miner is quite small.
3. From boot up -- could you see any BIOS opening screens, ie. American Megatrends, Panda? etc. Have you tried all the possible keys to enter BIOS?
4. The small "on/off" switch is tiny as per pix but I think like it this way to prevent any accidental reboots or shutdown. Did you have any specific reasons to have the button larger?
5. In a multi-panda farm format; with some clearance on top and below, do you reckon that can easily rack the miners vertically? PSUs on top of rack?
6. What is Crimson drivers that was installed in the miner? Have you tried upgrading to 16.11.4? Compatible with W10 Enterprise?
7. Have your tried running Nicehash Windows Miner? sgminer-gm? wolf XMR miner?
Thanks
I will chip in with this one as well. 1. 4G is enough, for now. I definitely have no need for 8G on linux 2. It's a very sturdy build, stacking multiple of these things wouldn't be an issue at all. Would even be a very interesting sollution. It's "kind" of heavy though.. 3. Yes. And as i've said, you can get into the BIOS Same as with any other mainboard. 4. System auto boots when i turn on the psu power, i changed this so that i didn't have to press that "tiny" button anymore . 5. Like i said at point 2. you could easily stack these on top of eachother, intake and out is on the side, so this makes it easy to stack them. 6. Can't answer this one, no windows fan :p 7. Sgminer-Gm over here as i've shown in screenshots. Greetings. Edit: some new results: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1736623.msg17391526#msg17391526Greetings! |
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