Review of Panda Miner coming up.

[LoneRangir]

Aren't all these the issues you're supposed to be feeding back to them?  If they fix a lot of these issues "at the factory", nobody will need to mod them.

[jadefalke]

Those are some nice temps.  How long has the miner been running in that screen shot and what is the ambient temp?

It's been running for exactly 3 hours and 26 minutes at this moment. Stable as a rock.

Temperatures: 36, 41, 40, 38, 40, 46, 46, 37. So an average of 40.


Greetings

Do you know how the Linux build compares to the Windows build as far as hash rate and power consumption?  Great news that you have Linux working already!  

If you are going to do a Pandaminer build to sell any idea what it will cost and when it will be available in the US?

haven't really tested the windows build, but i'm doing around 215h per card (zcash) at this moment.
I do have to measure power though..

So far rock solid. Pretty pleased with this to be honest.

I've been thinking about a release for European people.. Simply because i'm european as well.

Shipping to the us would become to costly.  But obviously possible..

Greetings!

you could generate an IMAGE out of the Harddisk an host that online or?

[philipma1957]

Aren't all these the issues you're supposed to be feeding back to them?  If they fix a lot of these issues "at the factory", nobody will need to mod them.

Language barrier issues.

note I did a hardware upgrade today.

I put in a samsung 8gb ram stick


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J8U549K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


this is the max ram stick possible and only slot.  so unit now has 8gb ram

[QuintLeo]

It looks like the production model changed from using the 60mm "screamer' fans in the prototype to a lower number of 80mm fans?


 Cloning a working SSD setup under LINUX is trivial - all you need is DD and either the original working SSD or an image file.
 Can be done under GRUB if you hand-edit the FSTAB to use standard /dev/SDx type naming instead of that bloody irritating UUID garbage (I wish I'd figured out to do that months ago).

[philipma1957]

It looks like the production model changed from using the 60mm "screamer' fans in the prototype to a lower number of 80mm fans?


 Cloning a working SSD setup under LINUX is trivial - all you need is DD and either the original working SSD or an image file.
 Can be done under GRUB if you hand-edit the FSTAB to use standard /dev/SDx type naming instead of that bloody irritating UUID garbage (I wish I'd figured out to do that months ago).

Has five push 80 mm

Has four pull 80 mm

They are still delta and they seem to be 25 mm thick.

They would be easy to swap out.

I am running eth for around four hours slight drop in hash from 235 to 219

The garage is 96f. As I am burning 5500 watts of gear.  Outside temps is 42f

Back door to garage is open entire house is warm coldest room is 77f

[TheYankeesWin!]

Do you have any photos of the fans?

[philipma1957]

Here is a photo

[jimmy_007vn]

Phil, do you have number for Monero???

[philipma1957]

Phil, do you have number for Monero???

Later in the week.

I want to run eth for three days in a row.

It does run hotter so I want to be sure it can handle hot ambient room temp of 96f.

As my garage is in the mid nineties .


I ordered 2 of these fans from newegg .

 I think they will work  and be quieter.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835132031&cm_re=BGEARS_B-PWM_80MM-_-35-132-031-_-Product


not going for 9 unless they are great.

[citronick]

Phil, some questions:

1. 4GB RAM enough? I know 8GB RAM is just nice, 16GB maybe overkill in a miner rig. Did you have to setup 16GB minimum for windows virtual file, as required by Claymore to run his miners?

2. Pandaminer paint and finish seems nice from pix -- good sturdy build? At a glance from your pix the miner is quite small.

3. From boot up -- could you see any BIOS opening screens, ie. American Megatrends, Panda? etc. Have you tried all the possible keys to enter BIOS?

4. The small "on/off" switch is tiny as per pix but I think like it this way to prevent any accidental  reboots or shutdown. Did you have any specific reasons to have the button larger?

5. In a multi-panda farm format; with some clearance on top and below, do you reckon that can easily rack the miners vertically? PSUs on top of rack?

6. What is Crimson drivers that was installed in the miner? Have you tried upgrading to 16.11.4? Compatible with W10 Enterprise?

7. Have your tried running Nicehash Windows Miner? sgminer-gm? wolf XMR miner?

Thanks

[philipma1957]

Phil, some questions:

1. 4GB RAM enough? I know 8GB RAM is just nice, 16GB maybe overkill in a miner rig. Did you have to setup 16GB minimum for windows virtual file, as required by Claymore to run his miners?

2. Pandaminer paint and finish seems nice from pix -- good sturdy build? At a glance from your pix the miner is quite small.

3. From boot up -- could you see any BIOS opening screens, ie. American Megatrends, Panda? etc. Have you tried all the possible keys to enter BIOS?

4. The small "on/off" switch is tiny as per pix but I think like it this way to prevent any accidental  reboots or shutdown. Did you have any specific reasons to have the button larger?

5. In a multi-panda farm format; with some clearance on top and below, do you reckon that can easily rack the miners vertically? PSUs on top of rack?

6. What is Crimson drivers that was installed in the miner? Have you tried upgrading to 16.11.4? Compatible with W10 Enterprise?

7. Have your tried running Nicehash Windows Miner? sgminer-gm? wolf XMR miner?

Thanks

1. I was worried that 4gb ram could have issues  so I upgrade to 8gb stick.

The mobo only has 1 slot and it is laptop sized ram.  Ddr3l. Only goes to 8gb

2. The case is fairly sturdy and uses only Phillips screws.

3. It does show a screen American mega trends then the win 10 sign in reads pandaminer but there is a script that signs you in to the normal screen where you can enter a mining folder.

4. The small button needs a tool to press a clumsy person could press it hard and break it.
It could be bypassed if you break it.

5.       Psu
        Pandaminer
        Pandaminer.

On a shelf would be easy you need a 20-24 inch shelf
10 units on a five shelf rack.

The method below may not work
P p
A a
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D d
A a
M m
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6 do not know AMD drivers

7 so far clay 91 and clay 93 and eth 7.6

I need to fully build clay 93 on a second pc. Then put it,on a USB stick then move the stick to the pandaminer and it works that way.


Since I am not the best software guy  I won't push  until I have a working clone of the oem msata.

then If I brick the clone I still have the oem.

[yun9999]

Phil, some questions:

1. 4GB RAM enough? I know 8GB RAM is just nice, 16GB maybe overkill in a miner rig. Did you have to setup 16GB minimum for windows virtual file, as required by Claymore to run his miners?

2. Pandaminer paint and finish seems nice from pix -- good sturdy build? At a glance from your pix the miner is quite small.

3. From boot up -- could you see any BIOS opening screens, ie. American Megatrends, Panda? etc. Have you tried all the possible keys to enter BIOS?

4. The small "on/off" switch is tiny as per pix but I think like it this way to prevent any accidental  reboots or shutdown. Did you have any specific reasons to have the button larger?

5. In a multi-panda farm format; with some clearance on top and below, do you reckon that can easily rack the miners vertically? PSUs on top of rack?

6. What is Crimson drivers that was installed in the miner? Have you tried upgrading to 16.11.4? Compatible with W10 Enterprise?

7. Have your tried running Nicehash Windows Miner? sgminer-gm? wolf XMR miner?

Thanks

@ Citronik -  You don't need 8GB  RAM yet.  I have many rigs running up to 7 GPU 470, 480, Furies 390 and are still using 4GB and this miner is doing the same with 8GPU which is validation for that.  You just need to change the windows page file size to 16GB and since we're running SSD, it won't slow down our rigs.  In the future when if it becomes necessary, you can add another 4GB easily but it's an unnecessary cost at the moment.  

@Phil - Is this Panda completely just powered by PCI only?  This would be fantastic news, as I can power a ton of this without needing ATX Power supplies.  The IBM 4KW Server PSU bundle seems like a winner's choice for this.  .  

[jadefalke]

Phil, some questions:

1. 4GB RAM enough? I know 8GB RAM is just nice, 16GB maybe overkill in a miner rig. Did you have to setup 16GB minimum for windows virtual file, as required by Claymore to run his miners?

2. Pandaminer paint and finish seems nice from pix -- good sturdy build? At a glance from your pix the miner is quite small.

3. From boot up -- could you see any BIOS opening screens, ie. American Megatrends, Panda? etc. Have you tried all the possible keys to enter BIOS?

4. The small "on/off" switch is tiny as per pix but I think like it this way to prevent any accidental  reboots or shutdown. Did you have any specific reasons to have the button larger?

5. In a multi-panda farm format; with some clearance on top and below, do you reckon that can easily rack the miners vertically? PSUs on top of rack?

6. What is Crimson drivers that was installed in the miner? Have you tried upgrading to 16.11.4? Compatible with W10 Enterprise?

7. Have your tried running Nicehash Windows Miner? sgminer-gm? wolf XMR miner?

Thanks

@ Citronik -  You don't need 8GB  RAM yet.  I have many rigs running up to 7 GPU 480 and are still using 4GB and this miner is doing the same with 8GPU which is validation for that.  You just need to change the windows page file size to 16GB and since we're running SSD, it won't slow down our rigs.  In the future when if it becomes necessary, you can add another 4GB easily but it's an unnecessary cost at the moment. 

@Phil - Is this Panda completely just powered by PCI only?  This would be fantastic news, as I can power a ton of this without needing ATX Power supplies.  The IBM 4KW Server PSU bundle seems like a winner's choice for this.  . 

yes the Panda need only PCI-E 6 Pin nothing else.

btw. my Panda Miner is not that stable, i had him running thru the Night with Claymore 9.3 and this morning 1 Card Reports 0.00

[yun9999]

Did rebooting help fix the 0Hash issue?  You would get this with normal rigs as well, but usually reboots will fix the issue unless you have a bad GPU or riser.  In your case it could be GPU if reboot doesn't clear it.  Would be interesting to see how we can troubleshoot which GPU slot it is when there's a failure and whether it's easy to remove to troubleshoot or swap them out.  From the picture it appears like only a few screws and easy to disconnect but would like to hear what you guys see.

[Eliovp]

Phil, some questions:

1. 4GB RAM enough? I know 8GB RAM is just nice, 16GB maybe overkill in a miner rig. Did you have to setup 16GB minimum for windows virtual file, as required by Claymore to run his miners?

2. Pandaminer paint and finish seems nice from pix -- good sturdy build? At a glance from your pix the miner is quite small.

3. From boot up -- could you see any BIOS opening screens, ie. American Megatrends, Panda? etc. Have you tried all the possible keys to enter BIOS?

4. The small "on/off" switch is tiny as per pix but I think like it this way to prevent any accidental  reboots or shutdown. Did you have any specific reasons to have the button larger?

5. In a multi-panda farm format; with some clearance on top and below, do you reckon that can easily rack the miners vertically? PSUs on top of rack?

6. What is Crimson drivers that was installed in the miner? Have you tried upgrading to 16.11.4? Compatible with W10 Enterprise?

7. Have your tried running Nicehash Windows Miner? sgminer-gm? wolf XMR miner?

Thanks

I will chip in with this one as well.


1. 4G is enough, for now. I definitely have no need for 8G on linux
2. It's a very sturdy build, stacking multiple of these things wouldn't be an issue at all. Would even be a very interesting sollution. It's "kind" of heavy though..
3. Yes. And as i've said, you can get into the BIOS   Same as with any other mainboard.
4. System auto boots when i turn on the psu power, i changed this so that i didn't have to press that "tiny" button anymore .
5. Like i said at point 2. you could easily stack these on top of eachother, intake and out is on the side, so this makes it easy to stack them.
6. Can't answer this one, no windows fan :p
7. Sgminer-Gm over here as i've shown in screenshots.


Greetings.


Edit: some new results: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1736623.msg17391526#msg17391526

Greetings!

[TheRider]

@Phil - Is this Panda completely just powered by PCI only?  This would be fantastic news, as I can power a ton of this without needing ATX Power supplies.  The IBM 4KW Server PSU bundle seems like a winner's choice for this.  . 

yes the Panda need only PCI-E 6 Pin nothing else.

How many PCI-E sockets in total please?

[philipma1957]

@Phil - Is this Panda completely just powered by PCI only?  This would be fantastic news, as I can power a ton of this without needing ATX Power supplies.  The IBM 4KW Server PSU bundle seems like a winner's choice for this.  . 

yes the Panda need only PCI-E 6 Pin nothing else.

How many PCI-E sockets in total please?

seven

[citronick]

@Phil - Is this Panda completely just powered by PCI only?  This would be fantastic news, as I can power a ton of this without needing ATX Power supplies.  The IBM 4KW Server PSU bundle seems like a winner's choice for this.  . 

yes the Panda need only PCI-E 6 Pin nothing else.

How many PCI-E sockets in total please?

seven

What is the difference between a normal PC motherboard compared to this Panda "PCI switch" based motherboard?
 

[ocminer]

@Phil - Is this Panda completely just powered by PCI only?  This would be fantastic news, as I can power a ton of this without needing ATX Power supplies.  The IBM 4KW Server PSU bundle seems like a winner's choice for this.  . 

yes the Panda need only PCI-E 6 Pin nothing else.

How many PCI-E sockets in total please?

seven

What is the difference between a normal PC motherboard compared to this Panda "PCI switch" based motherboard?
 

It's fancier and smaller

[philipma1957]

@Phil - Is this Panda completely just powered by PCI only?  This would be fantastic news, as I can power a ton of this without needing ATX Power supplies.  The IBM 4KW Server PSU bundle seems like a winner's choice for this.  .  

yes the Panda need only PCI-E 6 Pin nothing else.

How many PCI-E sockets in total please?

seven

What is the difference between a normal PC motherboard compared to this Panda "PCI switch" based motherboard?
 

it uses moblie   cpu

it uses 1 ram slot

it fills gpus on both sides.

a 24 inch wide  rack  with four shelves  can do  12 units


                    4k psu
               pandaminer
               pandaminer
               pandaminer

each shelf  would load as above


now  if xmr holds price and the linux build  works well  you could run 4 units per 4k psu   and here is why

this unit below rates at 2320 watts  2 of these would give 4640 watts

using the 4k breakout board from optimizer  not j4bberwock/finksy

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-BLADECENTER-39Y7400-39Y7405-L80536J-DPS-2500BB-A-2320W-AC-POWER-SUPPLY-PSU-/332067375448?hash=item4d50c20958:g:v44AAOSw44BYRxRr