I love your concept. I will try to play this game. If im right we oppose o real player right?
Thanks.
Yeah! that's the whole concept there. You play another player. I'm getting a feeling that you might like it. |
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I think this is a good idea, however as KnightDK said there are many restrictions imposed on by the bitcointalk forum that doesn't allow you to do exactly what you want. Also, the storage of so many login credentials at one single place could prove to be disastrous.
But having said that, account renting is a very good idea. Also make sure that the renter deposits some money to compensate for any losses incurred with the account(bans, negative trusts, etc.)
Thanks for show interest herman, i really appreciate it. Knights login issue was a good one. There's different ways to actually login to bitcointalk, which can bypass all of this issues entirely, the best thing is that these other methods wouldn't require the storage of login credentials (username/password) but would still provide the same access to edit sigs. |
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This is an interesting idea. It could help to curb some spam depending on how the payments work. You could make it so that users are paid at a fixed rate and the user doesn't know the terms of the payment, just that if they are chosen to be in a campaign, they will get at least X Bitcoin per week (or month or whatever). That would help to curb spam as then there isn't an incentive for people to spam to meet their post requirements.
There is, of course, the huge security issue. The problem is that many users may not feel comfortable with entrusting your service with their login credentials, especially since having the login gives full access to the account. This could potentially lead to privacy leaks and loss of the account if your service were to be hacked. The risk goes up for higher ranking members and those with green trust.
Lastly, there is also a technical issue. Bitcointalk only allows you to perform a login action once every 45 seconds per IP. If you need to change the signatures and avatars on a lot of accounts, you're going to need a lot of IPs or servers. They will also IP ban you if there are more than one request per second per IP.
Thanks for the comment knight, your idea gave me hope. You managed to solve the spamming issue. Because of some pf your comments, I've been able to find some of the other solutions. For the payment method, your suggested fixed price & hidden terms would be the way to go. Because of the login system which you mentioned above, we won't require users to entrust us with their login detail. Instead, we would bypass the whole system totally, so the user would only need to give us their cookie_id which is already logged_in. So with this method, even if we did get hacked *hypothetically* the hacker wouldn't be able to change account settings such as password, email... Hopefully more people like you & feinter will show their interest so we can solve any issues and find a way to meet everyones requirements, to get this project Rock 'n' Rolling |
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You didn't tell me what you thought of the idea, do you like it, would you use it, what don't you like about it?
To be honest with you.. maybe i'm wrong, but i think that it will take you a lot of work, but you will not get out of it profits. Tell me please, for who really it will be most useful in your opinion: for users, campaign managers or for advertisers? In my opinion all of them like to have everything under their own control, and your service will not get much attention. For me, the advertiser, along with the user would be the most important. The details does sound a lot, but in reality it's probably 1 days worth of algorithms and another day worth of testing. How can one get attention without making any action? I'm sure there's someone out their who would rather get paid weekly, for posting, instead of searching for the latest signature campaigns, each time one ends. Advertisers always employ manager - your service can't change that, because posts quality is most important and here have to be manual control. It can be useful tool for campaign managers, when they are looking for quality posters, but as i know for them, once again, most important is posts quality. For users.. hmm they have this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0and if they are active, they watch very carefully service section, what is enough to be well informed. I like your idea, but like i wrote, from this project you will gain only few +1 and many thanks  Edit: Nobody knows in which direction will go signature campaigns. It is an option that will go to the level of unnatural spam without having to check the quality (some sig campaigns are doing it now). Then indeed your service can be used directly by the less demanding advertisers. I like your help and responses, they're really helpful. If more people feel the same way as you, then i might stop the project, which would save me the stress of its downfall. |
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You didn't tell me what you thought of the idea, do you like it, would you use it, what don't you like about it?
To be honest with you.. maybe i'm wrong, but i think that it will take you a lot of work, but you will not get out of it profits. Tell me please, for who really it will be most useful in your opinion: for users, campaign managers or for advertisers? In my opinion all of them like to have everything under their own control, and your service will not get much attention. For me, the advertiser, along with the user would be the most important. The details does sound a lot, but in reality it's probably 1 days worth of algorithms and another day worth of testing. How can one get attention without making any action? I'm sure there's someone out their who would rather get paid weekly, for posting, instead of searching for the latest signature campaigns, each time one ends. |
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Ok, i think we're on the right track.
But can any of them post sig campaigns on your account, collect payments from advertisers, pay you, most importantly, do all of this without even knowing what or how to spell sig campaign?
About access to signature - It will works only when user is active. To do this in right way you will have to add statistics of users - something like rank of the best posters. When the user gets registered into the server. They will provide active login credential in a secure SSL-secured page. Technically, the amount of CPU power required to provide this sort of service is so demanding, that the tool which will automate all of this would have to be an enterprise level software which would have its on VPS. We will collect statistics yes (i'll go into a little bit more technical detail) of the updated user information, on each users profile. Now, as you know signature campaigns have requirements such as *Min of 70 characters per/post, or *Min of 30 words per/post or *Min 5 posts per/day. Every week, when the server gets ready to pay everyone, it would go through the accounts weekly data. If the users don't post for that week they would be removed from the server. If any of the users posts don't meet any of the requirements, it wouldn't be included in the total amount weekly payments which they would receive. Ok. same script have Bitmixer - checking amount of characters (i think min 75), so this is already done. More interesting will be data base of users that are opened to join sig campaign - and here: their statistics about avarage characters and words per post, sections and activity. This can be very useful for you: http://www.bitcoinrates.in/bitcointalk/getactivity.phpThanks for the link. Java would be used instead of PHP, because it would simply crash the PHP Apache server, because (maintaining an open network connection) and submitting tens/hundreds of account sig campaigns for each ad, and also maintaining a stateful connection in PHP (which is stateless) would pretty much be a massive technical design failure. Instead I'll re-write any needed parts in Java to keep everything clean But thanks for the link, I'm sure it might find its way into some of my other projects. You didn't tell me what you thought of the idea. Do you like it, would you use it, what don't you like about it?
I mean that's what this whole thread is about - your opinion! |
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Ok, i think we're on the right track.
But can any of them post sig campaigns on your account, collect payments from advertisers, pay you, most importantly, do all of this without even knowing what or how to spell sig campaign?
About access to signature - It will works only when user is active. To do this in right way you will have to add statistics of users - something like rank of the best posters. When the user gets registered into the server. They will provide active login credential in a secure SSL-secured page. Technically, the amount of CPU power required to provide this sort of service is so demanding, that the tool which will automate all of this would have to be an enterprise level software which would have its on VPS to process unique HTML data and IO connections for hundreds of accounts. We will collect statistics yes (i'll go into a little bit more technical detail) of the updated user information, on each users profile. Now, as you know signature campaigns have requirements such as *Min of 70 characters per/post, or *Min of 30 words per/post or *Min 5 posts per/day. Every week, when the server gets ready to pay everyone, it would go through the accounts weekly data. If the users don't post for that week they would be removed from the server. If any of the users posts don't meet any of the requirements, it wouldn't be included in the total amount weekly payments which they would receive. |
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yeah yeah, nada nada. heard it all before lets make a working quantum computer first and then we will discuss this theory.......  I love this! Would it just be bitcoin that would be at risk? The whole OSI layers and protocols/internet (banks/ATM/[insert name]) would be at risk. I'm sure quantum cryptographical algorithms would be created by the IETF to maintain a swift & smooth move, when the internet enters this era. |
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I didn't understand your point very well, could you explain how an account could get banned?
Mostly accounts are banned for spamming - so writing unnecessary or rubbish posts. Actually can be banned if will broke any of forum rules. It can be begging or posting referral links. All rules are here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0I'm really not sure how we manage to confuse people. If you read the above implementation details above, you will notice that the server will not provide access to create/delete posts. I think it's really important to make this clear, so to clear up any confusion. Well, I have myself to blame, for not editing the main post, to show only what would realistically be allowed. But yeah, as far as posting goes, it won't be added or allowed. So now i'm more confused then before  I'm sorry, but I don't see any other needs to rent an account as the signature campaign. If person who rent account can not create posts, how will earn from signature campaign? Edit. Ps. I have feeling that i missed some main information. Ahh dang! I see where I lost you. We're talking about two very different topics. Please, let me clear it up How it works, is that you signup your account for this service. Now you have given our servers access to manage signature campaigns and payments for that account. When someone wants to advertise using signature campaign, they specify the account requirements, and NO. of accounts that will host this campaign. Our server will now select a list of accounts, which match the requirements, and ain't already in another signature campaign. Then, it will add the advertisers signature to those accounts. That's it. The advertiser wont have access to those accounts, the server wont allow creating/deleting posts. Everything is automated, much like GoogleAdwords. -- -- Hope I cleared things up, or did I confuse you a bit more? Ok. So this is not about renting accounts but more to automate recruitment to sig camp.. tool for campaign managers. As i remember Bit-x and Bitmixer are already using some similar script. Ok, i think we're on the right track. But can any of them post sig campaigns on your account, collect payments from advertisers, pay you, most importantly, do all of this without even knowing what or how to spell sig campaign? |
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I didn't understand your point very well, could you explain how an account could get banned?
Mostly accounts are banned for spamming - so writing unnecessary or rubbish posts. Actually can be banned if will broke any of forum rules. It can be begging or posting referral links. All rules are here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0I'm really not sure how we manage to confuse people. If you read the above implementation details above, you will notice that the server will not provide access to create/delete posts. I think it's really important to make this clear, so to clear up any confusion. Well, I have myself to blame, for not editing the main post, to show only what would realistically be allowed. But yeah, as far as posting goes, it won't be added or allowed. So now i'm more confused then before I'm sorry, but I don't see any other needs to rent an account as the signature campaign. If person who rent account can not create posts, how will earn from signature campaign? Edit. Ps. I have feeling that i missed some main information. Ahh dang! I see where I lost you. We're talking about two very different topics. Please, let me clear it up How it works, is that you signup your account for this service. Now you have given our servers access to manage signature campaigns and payments for that account. When someone wants to advertise using signature campaign, they specify the account requirements, and NO. of accounts that will host this campaign. Our server will now select a list of accounts, which match the requirements, and ain't already in another signature campaign. Then, it will add the advertisers signature to those accounts. That's it. The advertiser wont have access to those accounts, the server wont allow creating/deleting posts. Everything is automated, much like GoogleAdwords. -- -- Hope I cleared things up, or did I confuse you a bit more? |
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I didn't understand your point very well, could you explain how an account could get banned?
Mostly accounts are banned for spamming - so writing unnecessary or rubbish posts. Actually can be banned if will broke any of forum rules. It can be begging or posting referral links. All rules are here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0I'm really not sure how we manage to confuse people. If you read the above implementation details above, you will notice that the server will not provide access to create/delete posts. I think it's really important to make this clear, so to clear up any confusion. Well, I have myself to blame, for not editing the main post, to show only what would realistically be allowed. But yeah, as far as posting goes, it won't be added or allowed. |
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How, and how much did you manage to lose?
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So i read someones crazy idea about lending bitcointalk accounts for sig camps.
What would it allow the borrower to do;
Create/Delete Posts
Edit signature
Edit personal text
Upload photos
*Change all profile settings
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What wouldn't it allow the borrower to do;
Change password
*Change any account related settings
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What would it allow the lender to do;
Automatically join signature campaigns and automatically get paid
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What would it allow advertisers to do;
Automatically post campaigns + acc requirements, amount of participants.
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The best part, is that everything would be done on our servers. It would be like the borrower is using GooglerAdwords, except its for bitcointalk.
5% of any profit made would go back to bitcointalk forum as a donation for its maintenance
If enough people like this, we'll make it live
Leave your reviews below
The idea actually sounds nice, but it's too risky. Not just for scamming purposes but your account can be banned very easily. The only way to do it good is to work with a reputation points system for posters (who get a higher payment). But maybe it's better if you just post yourself, it's not like you can earn some big bucks right? Sig advertising is really big nowadays. There's way more adverts (not just for bitcoin projects, but for anything to do with crypto), it just needs a way to manage everything. A way to automate the whole process. I don't you & I, understood your point very well. Could you explain how an account could get banned? |
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Yeah, but users will still need to trust you with full access to their accounts.
When you use Facebook, google, or any other authentication provider to log into a website, ain't you trusting that website to use the authentication you gave them reasonably? Well, if this service is required, then it will merely be the same thing. As long as the necessary security procedures are taken to secure the system (such as SSL) then theres really nothing to worry about. |
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Looks like the same game as in windows 7 which is bomb mines.. but the different for this game you need to find the coin to be win..
Its interesting game...
It is a great game. I'm really happy this one brings back memories. I think It's much more fun when you know you're playing against another person who has equal chances of beating you. Maybe other people will find this fun and interesting too. |
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After I read what happened recently in Google Store, where huge number of apps were infected with malicious code (some of them even reaching top 10 popularity charts)
I am reluctant to try any kind of mobile app.
So my question is: are you planning on creating normal (non mobile) version of your game?
More users are on mobile so we want to make sure that there's a ready solution for it. But yes we'll have a Web version ready to go probably at the same time. For the project, if it does get attention I might open-source everything, so people can make and offer their own duplicate services. That would be amazing. |
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Least you could do is give more information about the website or the App.Isn't it similar like Satoshi Mines but simply 4 boxes instead.How do you assure provable fairness by this ? You know the box user clicks can always be manipulated.The survival of such games on App Store is not long until google finds out you can earn money through it.
For advanced details (users)The location of the Satoshi coin is stored in the server. Each box only has a tag (1,2,3,4), once it is clicked, it will send the tag off to the server to check if the coin is in that box.
On the server we use TYPE random_int ( TYPE min , TYPE max ) to select a box for each round. This function is a cryptographically secured random number generator which is unbiased. You can read more about it here.
So for each round, the crypto random generator selects 5 numbers from 0 - 4. each of them present which box the satoshi is in. These values are stored on the server for each game.
Now going back to the start, when the server receives a selected box tag, it checks whether the Satoshi is in that box.Is it provably fair? - Yes, more details herePurpose of the gameThe point of the game is to have users playing against each other. There can only be 1 winner, or a draw (if none finds the Satoshi for the whole round). Our plan is to scale this up, where players would be able to join tournaments with several hundred players, playing against each other, until a winner is found (has luckily beaten every player) and takes the jackpot. We think this could be a great game, but that's for you to decide.Satoshi MinesI haven't had a time to look at Satoshi Mines, I'm sure its a really good game.
But we provide the option to actually bet against players, not computers. You can join massive tournaments and test your luck with hundreds of players. The best part, is that this game would be open-sourced as an App for both Android and websites. |
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The lender can make scam Services or take loans with intentions of not returning it back.
So i recommend is that either you rent it to your closest friends, whom you have full faith or sale the account is it not required by you. Renting to wrong person can bring Red trust to your account if he does anything fishy with your account.
Why the hell did you bump this old thread dude? Last reply was from you on May 13th and you bump it today June 4! No one even made a single post in here after your post provably because comments are just repeatedly being posted. This thread has no sense anymore. Renting accounts is not secure amd there is no way to secure this unless the person you will allow to rent your account is someone that you personally know and trust. Allowing other people to use your account is same as giving them the rights to use your name in fraud. Renting account is not secure, that's if the person you're renting to has any of the credentials (username/password). In our case, the sig campaign users wouldn't have any access to credential to use accounts. Instead, they would be given permissions (extended by our server), sort of like android permissions. They would be given permission to: Edit sigs, pics, and profile text. That's it. If you have the developer mindset you will understand this: Read more information here-- --
It depends on how you think about renting accounts.
Is it for sigs and earning money automated, without having to worry about sigs anymore, were access is not given to users(which is 99% secure, which we could provide)
or would it be to other users (which is total unsafe/unsecure/risk, which we don't provide) where access is given to users |
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Whats app will give up your information if asked I wont full stop.
I'll install and use the App, good work, I like the design. |
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