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26021  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why God exists in all people mind? on: January 04, 2017, 09:42:17 PM

I would go with the existing religions, take parts of each, add Mayans, Egyptians, Planet-X etc.  Look how many people made money on Mayan 2012 BS or Planet-X.  You can tie Bible and Planet-X, add Muhammad on a flying horse and you got yourself a kick ass religion.  That is what Islam did.  Took parts of the Bible, just extended it.


If you did this, you would be going against what God has said.    Cool
26022  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why God exists in all people mind? on: January 04, 2017, 09:37:28 PM
Oh wait, I missed this gem:

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Yet, when you examine all the facts about how the Bible came into being, you will find that it is impossible for it to exist. Yet, it is here. Time for you to change your "physics" about the existence of God.

So a book, written by human men "claiming" to be talking to god, is impossible to exist, unless the god they "claim" to be talking to is real?
Yep. But you would have to study the history to understand it.



Oh shit, you've just converted me to Christianity with that insightful observation, how could I have not seen it before!? Some people wrote a book, told some other people that a supernatural being told them what to write in it, some peasants believed it... and hey presto, we have proof of the Christian god!
Now that you believe it, welcome aboard. You have not done the studies, yet you have believe. Jesus says that those kinds of people are blessed.



Jesus titty-fucking christ, that is probably the stupidest proof of god that I've ever heard.
Is that a proof of God? You are the first person I have ever heard who said that. Stop picking on yourself by saying things, and then claiming they are stupid.



That means I could write a book claiming that some god spoke to me and told me what to write, and the fact that that book exists means that the god who "told me what to write" also exists? Well I guess L. Ron Hubbard did the same thing, and look how many people he convinced.. So I take it you believe in Xenu as well?
Your book wouldn't have the strength of the history of the Bible. The other books don't have the strength of the history involving the Bible to back them.



What about Joseph Smith and his Golden Plates, I guess I could just find some golden plates with some weird markings on (ie plant them beforehand, like JS obviously did), and then stare at some weird magic stones in a hat while translating the weird markings into English through god... Hey presto, I wrote down some English words that were "translated" from some weird markings, therefore god must exist!! (because if the book I just wrote, translated from the golden plates that "only I can translate because thats what god told me", [that I probably just made myself and buried in the ground a few days ago]), god must be real!!
Joseph Smith's writings do not have the strength of the history of the Bible behind them.



Shit, these guys might be onto something - Tax avoidance is a lucrative area... Maybe I should write my own book and claim tax free status, because unless god told me what to write, THE BOOK COULDN'T EXIST!!. Checkmate IRS and Atheists!
Now you are finally getting close to the truth. God doesn't want to checkmate anybody, however. He wants to save them.



Your book wouldn't cut it. You seem to be too mixed up about whether or not you believe in God.

Cool
26023  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 04, 2017, 09:26:25 PM

You can't rest your case. You don't have one.

Prove the earth isn't in the range of 6,000 years old. Facts, not theories.

And the charts are way off the truth and fact.

Theories aren't known to be factual. Laws are facts. Wake up and see that you are basing your stuff on theories.

Cool

Just google: "why earth is not 6000 years old"

You'll get 32 million hits.

https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=ilxIWO3CIcyC8Qeun6jQCQ#q=why+earth+is+not+6000+years+old

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_against_a_recent_creation


Surely you can come up with more than 32 million people who will claim God doesn't exist.

Cool
26024  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: January 04, 2017, 03:12:21 PM
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nomad13666 hasn't been around for a while. So I guess it's okay for you to post your goofy flat earth stuff. After all, there is a big difference between making some science or religion mistakes, and being associated with a pure pervert like nomad13666.

Cool
What do you have against nomad? xD whenever you to post it is almost always bashing the other person. its funny but kinda confusing as to how it all started
Where is the bashing? Look at the posts made by nomad13666. Probably more than 90% of them are perverted garbage. No bashing. Just fact.



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your stupid and your logic is flawed due to an obvious cognitive bias please think for yourself and realize the science for flat earth is flawed while with a sphere it makes perfect sense.

It isn't cognitive bias. It's a literal interpretation of the Bible in exemplaar's case. A literal interpretation says flat earth. But. The Bible isn't supposed to be taken literally in every case. It tells us when to take it literally. And often we attribute our thoughts and ideas to the way it is written. Give exemplaar a break.

Cool
26025  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Istanbul attack: Dozens killed at Turkish nightclub on: January 04, 2017, 02:21:49 AM
Again, the Koran says to kill the infidels. And if a Muslim doesn't obey the Koran, he is an infidel.

Cool
26026  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 04, 2017, 02:19:29 AM
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You dummy. You know essentially nothing. And the little bit you DO know, like how to post in a forum, you use to spread your stupidity.

Are we having fun yet?

Cool

Are you talking about yourself?  Not sure.  You were the one who said that Earth is 6000 years old, then said that Göbekli Tepe is a proof that there were many ancient civilizations more advanced than ours.

Problem for you is that Göbekli Tepe site is 10,000 years old.  
Wow! You are in the range of 10,000-years-old so that you would know that? Don't you realize that the people who suggest that the earth is older than 4,500 years only have evidence that can be interpreted in many ways? They don't have proof.



There so many things that go against your Bible that is just not funny.  It is sad that someone could believe ANY of it.
However, one good reason to believe the Bible is because you talk against it. You have so many mistakes and fallacies in the things you say, that anybody who reads your stuff almost has to believe that the Bible MUST be truth.



The problem is that you stopped thinking.  You are just defending you religious dogma, no matter how ridiculous the dogma is.


God exists. The laws of nature and the universe that I have pointed out prove it. Look again:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

So you prove that YOU are the one who not only isn't thinking much, but would rather twist the little bit of thinking that you do into areas that don't make any sense.

However, when you suggest that I am defending religious dogma, especially when I point out scientific proof, you are really saying that science is religion.

You haven't stopped thinking, yet. Some of your thinking surfaces once in a while. Then everyone wonders what funny farm you are in.

Cool

If that is your reason, then I rest my case.  You are hopeless.  Show me one mistake in anything I posted.  I don't twist anything, I just confront the bullshit as it comes.

I have an idea, why don't you prove that Earth is 6000 years old and win a Nobel Prize :-)

You are way off the charts, you don't even realise how sick you are. 

BTW, you don't even know what a scientific proof entails.  Read my previous posts to get a clue.


You can't rest your case. You don't have one.

Prove the earth isn't in the range of 6,000 years old. Facts, not theories.

And the charts are way off the truth and fact.

Theories aren't known to be factual. Laws are facts. Wake up and see that you are basing your stuff on theories.

Cool
26027  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is taxation theft? on: January 04, 2017, 02:13:15 AM
As someone who is taxed above 50%: if you are a slave at 100% taxation, at what point are you not?

You're not a slave even at 100% taxation.

You're a slave at 100% taxation if you have no control on them. Of course in an indirect democracy like France for example, taxation is close to theft especially a 100% one, because you have 0 control on governmental expenses.

But after all we could imagine a direct democracy where you have a direct control on governmental action. Then even 100% taxation wouldn't be theft.

Oh, I get it. Rather than having direct 100% control of your money, so that you get to spend it as you want, you give 100% of your money to government, and then control them to spend it the way you want.

If you believe anything can work like this, without you losing a lot of your labor and money...

Oh, never mind. What's the use. Give 'em your money.

Cool
26028  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why God exists in all people mind? on: January 04, 2017, 02:06:49 AM
Quote from: BADecker
link=topic=1715457.msg17288565#msg17288565 date=1482599879
Nobody created God. God created the universe. God is different than the universe. The "physics" of God is different than the physics of the universe.
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Cool

So BADecker, pray tell, how can any of your "proofs" (which are, by definition, based on the physics of the universe) tell us anything about a god which doesn't abide by those laws of physics?

Your "proofs" are ridiculous, both scientifically and philosophically.

 Cheesy

That's exactly the point. The thing that the proof does is prove that God exists. Why? Because the laws of physics don't explain where they come from. The proofs do... Something that is outside of physics.

No no no, you cannot claim that evidence, (they're not proofs really, as I said earlier the only true proofs are things like mathematical proofs, so from now on I will call them evidence), based on the laws of physics, can tell us anything about a being that doesn't follow the laws of physics. How can you not understand this?

All the science we know was written by man, under the influence of the standard laws of physics. Therefore any scientific theories, laws or even proofs that they observed,  can only be valid on an entity that is under the influence of those same laws.

If god isn't under the influence of these laws of physics, or has "different physics" to the universe, then none of that science can prove or disprove him, because the science was formulated under different conditions.

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Physics shows that it exists by something that is so extremely powerful, and intelligent, and full of knowledge, and full of understanding, etc., that we can't even imagine what It is like. Even our term "God," in all of the best of the glorious descriptions wherein many people have described Him, falls way short of the glorious thing that He is.

All of this is proclaimed by physics showing us the greatness of itself (physics), without any explanation at all of where it comes from.

To put it simply, stuff like physics simply doesn't come into existence through itself, or through any means we have been able to find. God is outside of physics, but He is the only way physics can have come into existence.

Someone might say that the thing I am talking about is not God. What else can it be? It has to be God, because It is intelligent like people, It has strength like people, It is emotional like people (where else did emotion come from?). It is somewhat people like, yet It is way greater. That's what God is.

Cool

Aaand the rest of your post was incoherent babbling... I think what you're trying to say is "physics is so great, it had to have been made by god". Not a valid argument I'm afraid, you're making claims with zero evidence. Also even if you do believe that "god made physics", it could have been any god, nothing to suggest it was your Christian god.

I have absolutely no problem with you having faith in god, you're free to believe what you want and that's fine.

But there is, and probably never will be, any scientific proof of his (or her, or it's) existence. If you believe in god you need to rely on your faith in him, not in some pseudoscientific "proofs" of his existence.

And your claims of this proof is not only tedious, it strikes me that maybe you do not have as much faith as you think you do.

Maybe that's something you could bring up with your vicar/bishop/pastor/cult leader.

 Grin

Ouch!

With a burn like that, BADecker...... i suggest this cream.



No wonder you jokers believe in science or atheism. Like brute beasts, you do and live the things you learned earlier in life, and can't even think on your own.

Cool

Oh dear, I post something that absolutely and meticulously refutes your flawed logic, and you turn to what seems like psychological projection...
Saying you posted something that does this or that, doesn't necessarily do this or that. You talk.

My flawed logic is based on accepted science law and common understanding. You have refuted none of this science law and common understanding... or where is the rutation?



No my friend, it may be hard to accept but it is you, a person that was probably indoctrinated into a Christian belief system when you were young, who has trouble with critical thinking and developing an open mind to changing your beliefs.
Religious beliefs might have something or even a lot to do with religion. But you are the one who is talking about religion, here. And I am the one who is talking about science law: cause and effect, complex universe, entropy. It might be fun posting back and forth with bunches of words, but show the clear refutation of science law if you have it.


Story time: I used to believe in a lot of weird things, for example when I was younger I read some books written by individuals who were high ranking USA military officials, and they convinced me that aliens had visited Earth and were in cahoots with the American government. After a few years, and some critical thinking, I realized that I had been a victim of the "Appeal to Authority" fallacy, and that there really wasn't much evidence to support this hypothesis.
You still are a victim if you think science theory is greater than science law. It is simply a different batch of weird things. Until you understand that science theory has not been proven factual, but that science law has been proven factual, and that fact overcomes theory because of this, you will always be in a position of succumbing to belief in weird things.



So I changed my opinion. I decided that to "believe" something was really just a silly concept, everything has an element of probability and we can only make rational opinions on things that have a certain amount of evidence. These "alien stories" that I read simply didn't have enough concrete evidence for me to consider them plausible. That may change in the future, perhaps if some solid evidence comes to light i might change my mind again. Until then, it is illogical for me to believe that aliens have visited Earth, as it is illogical to believe in angels or god.

Solid scientific theories or laws, such as evolution or the laws of gravity, do have huge amounts of concrete evidence behind them. And they all point to life evolving from single-celled organisms into the human beings we see today, and an Earth that is 4.5 billion years old.
A solid theory is something that is solidly a theory. It is not a law. Evolution is a theory, an unknown. Gravity is a law, but the Theory of gravity (why gravity works the way it does) is a an unknown. In the face of the law of cause and effect, anything called evolution is programmed change. Even many of the scientists who have suggested the age of the earth have written right in their papers and books that the age is really unknown, and the suggested age is there only as a base for organized examination of what is really happening.



How these single-celled organisms came into being is still a bit of a mystery in scientific terms, but that's something great about science - if there is not enough evidence for a hypothesis it's fine to say "We don't really know exactly how that happened yet, but we're trying to find out."
This is really great. You know evolution happened. You just don't know how. You completely ignore the scientific law of cause and effect which has been found all over the place, and put pure random in its place, a thing that has never been found anywhere.



It's incredibly illogical and naive to assume that anything we don't fully understand must have been made by some god, when no solid evidence of that god exists. Don't post your series of links again please, because as I said earlier they are not only misleading, but invalid as they are based on the laws of physics we experience here on Earth.
Again, cause and effect almost proves God all by itself. But if you research the stuff found here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380,
you will find that according to the laws of science, God DOES exists, and that ideas to the opposite are flawed.



There are countless examples of people saying "god did it" throughout the whole of human history: The sun, stars, diversity of life, seasons, rain, lightning, tornadoes, rocks and precious stones, the list goes on.

The vast majority of these "anomalies" have been so thoroughly explained by the scientific method, that their origin and behaviour is rightly assumed to be fact. And that will be the case until opposing evidence is put forward that disproves these theories. Until that day, we should look to the scientific evidence as the most logical way to interpret the world around us.
But all the explanations of these anomalies are in the form of theory... unknown to be factual. Just because there is a consensus among some scientists, does not make unknown things to be factual. It's completely stupid to think this way.

Consider the EMDrive. Standard physics consensus says that it is impossible to turn magnetics directly into a driving force in the way the EMDrive does it. Yet it works. Now physics will have to be rewritten.



Of course, nothing can ever be proven 100% (other than logical and mathematical concepts). But when something has been proven 99.999% then it's logical to assume it's a fact, until solid evidence opposing it is shown.

Otherwise we start going down rabbit-holes where anyone can make absolutely anything up, write it down, and claim it as irrefutable fact cough..bible.cocough...

 Wink

Yet, when you examine all the facts about how the Bible came into being, you will find that it is impossible for it to exist. Yet, it is here. Time for you to change your "physics" about the existence of God. You are losing your battle against the knowledge of His existence.

Cool
26029  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: January 03, 2017, 10:01:16 PM
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nomad13666 hasn't been around for a while. So I guess it's okay for you to post your goofy flat earth stuff. After all, there is a big difference between making some science or religion mistakes, and being associated with a pure pervert like nomad13666.

Cool
26030  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 03, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
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You dummy. You know essentially nothing. And the little bit you DO know, like how to post in a forum, you use to spread your stupidity.

Are we having fun yet?

Cool

Are you talking about yourself?  Not sure.  You were the one who said that Earth is 6000 years old, then said that Göbekli Tepe is a proof that there were many ancient civilizations more advanced than ours.

Problem for you is that Göbekli Tepe site is 10,000 years old.  
Wow! You are in the range of 10,000-years-old so that you would know that? Don't you realize that the people who suggest that the earth is older than 4,500 years only have evidence that can be interpreted in many ways? They don't have proof.



There so many things that go against your Bible that is just not funny.  It is sad that someone could believe ANY of it.
However, one good reason to believe the Bible is because you talk against it. You have so many mistakes and fallacies in the things you say, that anybody who reads your stuff almost has to believe that the Bible MUST be truth.



The problem is that you stopped thinking.  You are just defending you religious dogma, no matter how ridiculous the dogma is.


God exists. The laws of nature and the universe that I have pointed out prove it. Look again:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

So you prove that YOU are the one who not only isn't thinking much, but would rather twist the little bit of thinking that you do into areas that don't make any sense.

However, when you suggest that I am defending religious dogma, especially when I point out scientific proof, you are really saying that science is religion.

You haven't stopped thinking, yet. Some of your thinking surfaces once in a while. Then everyone wonders what funny farm you are in.

Cool
26031  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why God exists in all people mind? on: January 03, 2017, 09:36:23 PM

The real question is:  "Can you be good with a bronze age or 6th century God?"

I think good people will be good despite their Gods.


The answer is, since God created all things, He also created the natural goodness that you might have, in you.

Consider the bad guy... the real bad guy... a guy who goes around killing and stealing and raping and doing every other bad thing. As long as he is alive, he will do good now and then. He has a few people who are friends. He might even do the good of giving his life up for his friends when necessary.

Good is something God put in us all when He made nature.

Cool

Goodness in us is a evolutionary quality. We needed to co-operate with others in order to survive.  Even today we have to do that.
Being nice to people will get you the same in return (most likely, but not always).  So on average, being nice will be beneficial
to your survival.

There are those of us that chose a different way to survive, they kill everything in their path in order to survive.  The fact that most
people are not like that shows you that the genes of the bad guys were not propagated at the same rate as the genes of good people.


Since evolution has been proven to not exist, probably all the things you say are false. Some of them might look like they are true. But coming from a false understanding like yours, makes them all false.

Cool

Small correction. The evolution theory is a scientific fact.  Look it up.  The PHYSICAL EVIDENCE is overwhelming. Unlike your God.


inb4 BADecker posting his 4 links to his own posts as an evidence of gods existance.
When I state that the links or the information in them are proof, I am only stating such in a shortcut way. The info in the links is to show you that proof exists. Then you can find the info all over the place, and prove it to yourself.

If you don't go outside and look at the blue sky, nobody will be able to prove that it is blue to you no matter how hard they try.



I remember the last time one of my friends said the doesn't BELIEVE in evolution but he believes in god, and then since one friend there was a biology student, he went on to explain him the whole process of evolution from unicellular organisms, over Fern, to the todays organisms.

Often science fiction writers write alone. Sometimes they have 2 or 3 of them writing together. The details can be very good. But when you get thousands of writers writing science fiction such as evolution, the details can be simply fabulous. Doesn't make it true. Only shows the great imaginations of the sci-fi writers... and in the case of that sci-fi biology friend, the students.

Cool

EDIT: After all, the evolution sci-fi writers tell you that evolution is sci-fi. How? Evolution is still theory. They have been truthful in that way, by not bringing it into the realm of fact, because it isn't fact.

When you research all the reasons why evolution can't be fact, you see that evolution is only fiction.
26032  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Istanbul attack: Dozens killed at Turkish nightclub on: January 03, 2017, 03:59:47 PM
If they had left its name as Constantinople, they wouldn't be having any troubles at all.

Cool
26033  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why God exists in all people mind? on: January 03, 2017, 03:57:25 PM

The real question is:  "Can you be good with a bronze age or 6th century God?"

I think good people will be good despite their Gods.


The answer is, since God created all things, He also created the natural goodness that you might have, in you.

Consider the bad guy... the real bad guy... a guy who goes around killing and stealing and raping and doing every other bad thing. As long as he is alive, he will do good now and then. He has a few people who are friends. He might even do the good of giving his life up for his friends when necessary.

Good is something God put in us all when He made nature.

Cool

Goodness in us is a evolutionary quality. We needed to co-operate with others in order to survive.  Even today we have to do that.
Being nice to people will get you the same in return (most likely, but not always).  So on average, being nice will be beneficial
to your survival.

There are those of us that chose a different way to survive, they kill everything in their path in order to survive.  The fact that most
people are not like that shows you that the genes of the bad guys were not propagated at the same rate as the genes of good people.


Since evolution has been proven to not exist, probably all the things you say are false. Some of them might look like they are true. But coming from a false understanding like yours, makes them all false.

Cool
26034  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 03, 2017, 03:54:40 PM
WELL get your god or gods to give everyone 1 million bucks Wink..No not much of a god so my logic tells me no GODS Wink..
Ok that to hard for your god or gods? lets make it easier..
Get your god to make me a cup of tea?..Even i can make a cup of tea Roll Eyes..
So if i go down the stairs in 5 mins i should have a cup of tea..A small price to make me believe he is real..Just think what i would do i would spread the word of god..Just a cup of simple tea..
 Cry Cry :'(OH come on god me wife never makes me one Cry Cry Cry Cheesy Cheesy..Joking she does..
BUT the main one i would like god to do is stop killing the children of the earth in many numbers.. Grin
Or ask god could he take the hunt out of money it kills so many Wink..
I am going to see if i got a cup of tea Grin..But i suppose my logic tells me i am making it myself?

I can't debate with people that speak irrationally, I'm sorry.
I would rather be the offspring of two apes than be a man and afraid to face the truth. Wink..

What would your parents think?    Cool
26035  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 03, 2017, 03:52:44 PM
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Burning witches is wrong. We should put them into insane asylums, and give them electric shock treatment. And everyone who follows them as well.

But, if you determine that anyone is a witch, and you are wrong about it, you get the punishment that a witch would have gotten.

Cool

Are you insane?  You believe witches are real?   The poor, old ladies who lived alone, used herbs to heal themselves? 
What kind of twisted deceiver are you? It doesn't matter what I believe. If you can't find any witches, you can't put them in jail, right? Are you out hunting witches?



They were accused of 'witchcraft' because they saw what the religion really was and skipped few masses.
Witchcraft is a religion, no matter how simple it might be.

Didn't you see the rest of my post? Anybody who causes a person to receive the punishment for witches, when that person is NOT a witch, the accuser should be punished with the punishment for witches himself.



Witchcraft, hell, heaven and of course God are imaginary concepts.  I hope you realize this after pages and pages of arguments.
Since science proves God, and God tells us about the other, the only imaginary concept here is your idea of imaginary concepts.



Did you read on how science is done?  How scientific proofs are validated, invalidated and re-checked (constantly)?
Did you ever get into the language of what science theory is? If you did, you would see that science theory is something that is not know to be factual.



Please stop this insanity, get yourself out of this cult.
Exactly what I have been suggesting to you for a long time now.



World is not 6000 years old, flood could not happen, we are not a product of 100 generations of incest.
Instead, the world is 14+ billions years old, Earth is 4.5 billion years old, we a product of billions of years of evolution.
We are mammals, we are all decedents of apes.   Evolution is indisputable fact. 
 

Since you know so much, grow yourself another arm or leg. Live for a thousand years. Heal the sick by a touch of your hand. Or at least find all kinds of medical remedies that really work. After all, you know exactly how it all works. Because you know just exactly what could happen and what couldn't. And you were there in the beginning of the world, so you know exactly how old it is.

You dummy. You know essentially nothing. And the little bit you DO know, like how to post in a forum, you use to spread your stupidity.

Are we having fun yet?

Cool
26036  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why God exists in all people mind? on: January 03, 2017, 03:40:38 PM

The real question is:  "Can you be good with a bronze age or 6th century God?"

I think good people will be good despite their Gods.


The answer is, since God created all things, He also created the natural goodness that you might have, in you.

Consider the bad guy... the real bad guy... a guy who goes around killing and stealing and raping and doing every other bad thing. As long as he is alive, he will do good now and then. He has a few people who are friends. He might even do the good of giving his life up for his friends when necessary.

Good is something God put in us all when He made nature.

Cool
26037  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why God exists in all people mind? on: January 03, 2017, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: BADecker
link=topic=1715457.msg17288565#msg17288565 date=1482599879
Nobody created God. God created the universe. God is different than the universe. The "physics" of God is different than the physics of the universe.
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Cool

So BADecker, pray tell, how can any of your "proofs" (which are, by definition, based on the physics of the universe) tell us anything about a god which doesn't abide by those laws of physics?

Your "proofs" are ridiculous, both scientifically and philosophically.

 Cheesy

That's exactly the point. The thing that the proof does is prove that God exists. Why? Because the laws of physics don't explain where they come from. The proofs do... Something that is outside of physics.

No no no, you cannot claim that evidence, (they're not proofs really, as I said earlier the only true proofs are things like mathematical proofs, so from now on I will call them evidence), based on the laws of physics, can tell us anything about a being that doesn't follow the laws of physics. How can you not understand this?

All the science we know was written by man, under the influence of the standard laws of physics. Therefore any scientific theories, laws or even proofs that they observed,  can only be valid on an entity that is under the influence of those same laws.

If god isn't under the influence of these laws of physics, or has "different physics" to the universe, then none of that science can prove or disprove him, because the science was formulated under different conditions.

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Physics shows that it exists by something that is so extremely powerful, and intelligent, and full of knowledge, and full of understanding, etc., that we can't even imagine what It is like. Even our term "God," in all of the best of the glorious descriptions wherein many people have described Him, falls way short of the glorious thing that He is.

All of this is proclaimed by physics showing us the greatness of itself (physics), without any explanation at all of where it comes from.

To put it simply, stuff like physics simply doesn't come into existence through itself, or through any means we have been able to find. God is outside of physics, but He is the only way physics can have come into existence.

Someone might say that the thing I am talking about is not God. What else can it be? It has to be God, because It is intelligent like people, It has strength like people, It is emotional like people (where else did emotion come from?). It is somewhat people like, yet It is way greater. That's what God is.

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Aaand the rest of your post was incoherent babbling... I think what you're trying to say is "physics is so great, it had to have been made by god". Not a valid argument I'm afraid, you're making claims with zero evidence. Also even if you do believe that "god made physics", it could have been any god, nothing to suggest it was your Christian god.

I have absolutely no problem with you having faith in god, you're free to believe what you want and that's fine.

But there is, and probably never will be, any scientific proof of his (or her, or it's) existence. If you believe in god you need to rely on your faith in him, not in some pseudoscientific "proofs" of his existence.

And your claims of this proof is not only tedious, it strikes me that maybe you do not have as much faith as you think you do.

Maybe that's something you could bring up with your vicar/bishop/pastor/cult leader.

 Grin

Ouch!

With a burn like that, BADecker...... i suggest this cream.



No wonder you jokers believe in science or atheism. Like brute beasts, you do and live the things you learned earlier in life, and can't even think on your own.

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26038  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why God exists in all people mind? on: January 03, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
   God is imaginary thing, created to confuse people. I'm sad when I see believers, so much pain in the world cause of faith and God's and you are still pushing the same fucking thing.
   I feel sorry for this people who live in illusion, thats why there is more people who live in poverty and pain. When you people will rise above imaginary God, and start to love people who are close to you.
   

Nobody has an explanation of how life and the universe came into being. Science isn't even close. They tell you this themselves by calling their "stuff" theories, things that haven't been proven true, make-believe things, like unicorns and dragons and science-fiction stories.

People can go along in life ignoring ideas like where this all came from. Or they can believe the science fiction stories of science theory. Either way, the best answer is that God made these things. Why? Because we can't make them, and we don't know of any other place they could have come from.

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26039  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 03, 2017, 03:28:07 PM
I have to have a god-given right to protect myself and my family. In the house should be hidden and secured safe with a gun in it. Or, let there be no weapons, no one except the police.

When gun freedom exists, there are the criminals that you need to protect yourself from, using guns. There are, also, the criminals you need to protect yourself from using words. The latter is the gun control groups. The former might be the common thief.

Cops fall into the category of both. Sometimes you need to protect yourself from them with guns. But mostly with words, in court.

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26040  Other / Off-topic / Re: When is Bitcoins going to die? on: January 03, 2017, 03:22:57 AM
Bitcoin cant die I just got here! What is this why would bitcoin die?

Don't worry. Bitcoin won't die... at least not till it comes to life, that is.

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