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2621  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-01-05] Belarus To Legalize ICOS & Cryptocurrencies Make Them Tax Free on: January 05, 2018, 09:38:08 AM
A presidential decree signed last week makes it clear that Belarus wants to become the go-to global center for raising funds by way of initial coin offerings. In addition to legalizing blockchain based business and all digital tokens, under the new law revenue and profit from any operations using digital tokens would not be taxable until 2023.

Very smart move on Lukashenko's part. This bodes well for global regulatory matters. I'm sure that the Belarusians wouldn't make such a move if the Kremlin were likely to move against them. I'm still hoping that the rush to secure position in the cryptocurrency markets will prevent any coordinated attack by governments against Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. Only time will tell.

The more we see countries follow Japan, the more likely that cryptocurrency usage becomes normalized in society. If Russia followed in Belarus' footsteps here, that would be a real game changer.
2622  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Has anyone sold BTC won here in sig campaigns? how does tax work? on: January 04, 2018, 10:44:15 PM
Mintpal dies out of nowhere and now you don't have your account anymore. How do you prove the origin? and if you can't prove the origin, you are fucked.

You can prove the origin of your coins, though. Let's say you have some signature campaign earnings as the OP indicates. Those transactions and the threads that describe them are archived. You can sign an message from your receiving address. Mintpal's wallets are (or can be) identified. You can show the transaction from your campaign receiving address to Mintpal, and you can show a withdrawal from Mintpal (on the blockchain) to an address you control.

Segwit's scripting complicates this, but this wasn't an issue in the days of Mintpal. Tongue

Similarly, if you wired money to an exchange to buy BTC, you can show bank records that reflect that. And you can show withdrawals on the blockchain that reflect your BTC holdings from that transaction.

As with other IRS investigations, they would need to prove that you received income that went unreported. The only way that your trading records can be disproven is by direct coordination with an exchange. If an exchange did not enforce KYC, this becomes difficult. I think that blockchain records reflecting the coins under your control during the relevant times are more than enough to show good faith effort. I think this is especially true in the case of exchanges that disappeared.
2623  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Global Regulatory Crackdown On Cryptocurrencies Is On The Way on: January 04, 2018, 10:29:58 PM
Why is regulation almost Always seen as negative when we talk amongst 'coiners?

Legality is a good thing. Clear rules are good.

The "Wild West" atmosphere that has always existed brings significant benefits. Increased attention from regulators, law enforcement and tax authorities means increased compliance costs for services and increased likelihood of government shutdowns (like BTC-E).

That's bad for innovation and market competition among service providers (increased risk and barriers to entry). It's bad for cryptocurrency users, who will undoubtedly lose choices as market competition lessens, and who will likely lose funds as more custodial services (like non-compliant exchanges) are shut down.
2624  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Global Regulatory Crackdown On Cryptocurrencies Is On The Way on: January 04, 2018, 10:20:37 PM
I mean it'll come at some point, and no one knows when this point will be. But I think this will only come when the world governments, banks, and companies notice the amount of damage that these currencies can do to them if they were to make it mainstream -- who knows when this will come or when we will do some damage. But once this does come, they will reign down upon us like hell we've never seen before and I would hope that people aren't surprised about it.

That's what I'm worried about. On one hand, I sympathize with the argument that national governments are in competition, therefore a coordinated effort to squash cryptocurrencies is impossible, as each government would be sacrificing potential tax revenues and market position in the crypto sector.

On the other hand, governments and central banks may not perceive Bitcoin as a threat to their ability to issue money and control the money supply. That may collectively change. If so, we better hope that Bitcoin is much more hardened against state attacks than it currently is. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that this wave of regulation is followed by a wave of prohibitions.
2625  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-01-03] ECB governor calls for tax, regulation on bitcoin on: January 03, 2018, 11:10:31 PM

This is actually better then banning it . Regulating might put the authenticity of bitcoin on risk but that would not totally vanish its existence .            

Are you really that scared of the government's attack on BTC that you are ready to willingly accept any regulation? It's not going to disappear simply because a government decides to ban it just like alcohol didn't disappear in the USA during prohibition, torrents didn't disappear after the governments seized TPB and put its founders in jail.

What would happen if the world's most powerful governments coordinated to ban mining and bitcoin payments? That could have devastating effects on hashrate and would cause most services to shut down or massively scale back. Sure, it won't "disappear" in a literal sense, but how sure are you that Bitcoin can survive a coordinated attack by governments? To date, they have simply allowed it to blossom, virtually unfettered. But what if Bitcoin truly is a threat to central bank monetary sovereignty? Will they just take it lying down? AML regulations =/= prohibition on mining and payments.

There's one thing to pay a tax on income that you've cashed out and another to pay taxes on the coins that you're holding. The first one is quite normal while the second is a robbery in my view. It's demanding from you money that you don't physically have.

Is this referring to the Venezuelan tax proposal? I guess governments need to devalue your money somehow, even if you're not holding their fiat money. Tongue
2626  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: First Real Bitcoin Lightning Network Payment Completed via Bitrefill on: January 03, 2018, 10:58:34 PM
What do you think guys , does this solve the fee and speed problem ?
Not until I can actually use it too.

Development is taking way too long.

Is that being fair? Not only is this open source software, but hardening LN against all edge cases is no easy feat. I'm also worried that massive amounts of coins will move into LN upon launch of publicly available wallets. Developers need to take the utmost care to ensure that coins aren't lost interfacing with LN.

Meanwhile Bitcoin keeps losing market share, and many wallets (including Core) don't even allow easy creation of SegWit addresses. It seems like LN is at least a year away, while it was needed already 2 years ago.

Market share vs. altcoins doesn't matter. That's the wrong approach. "Move fast and break things because X or Y coin developers move quicker" isn't reasonable. Has Lightning been integrated into an altcoin? If not, why not?

Once LN is widely deployed, Bitcoin is likely to regain significant market share from any coin whose value is derived from fast/cheap transactions.
2627  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-01-02] South Korea Sets Date for Anonymous Crypto Trading Ban: Report on: January 02, 2018, 10:46:54 PM
South Korea will reportedly begin implementing new regulations banning anonymous cryptocurrency exchange accounts on or around Jan. 20. Citing anonymous sources, Yonhap News reports that the efforts to clamp down on speculative investing in the cryptocurrency markets now seemingly have a hard launch date.

Looks like the rumors were true. I'm curious to see what the final regulations look like because it's not clear if this targets just exchanges, or both exchanges and customers. For example, they may just be requiring domestic Korean exchanges to enforce KYC procedures. This would still allow customers to trade anonymously on international exchanges.

SB 1241 in the USA will go further if passed. It will make it illegal for residents to conceal or misrepresent their identity. US-based exchanges are clearly already bracing for full KYC measures if they haven't already implemented them. But this might also deter US traders from trading on international sites (like Bitfinex or Bitmex) where they would have to conceal their US residence.

I don't see anything bad in it since I have been forced to verify myself already, and with me thousands and thousands of other people. I

I don't see any emphasis on consumer protections. Just "More KYC! Passports out! More third party outsourcing of all your most precious personal information!" That's what pisses me off. Data security and identity theft are extremely relevant in this day and age, and I'm annoyed that people take it so lightly.
2628  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-01-02] China’s Largest Bitcoin Exchange Heads to Japan and South Korea Wit on: January 02, 2018, 10:34:45 PM
The Chinese government's moves have actually pushed bitcoin trading to the fringes and made them more difficult to regulate.

That was pretty much expected. I am glad that people can revert to the peer market, which has been exploding in volume lately. China is so insanely paranoid on anything that comes from outside, that they just ban anything they deem to be a threat. Their stupidity however made Bitcoin even more of a threat now people buy and sell Bitcoin 'underground'.

The P2P market may be exploding in volume, but how long do you expect that to last? The reality is that traders are using highly centralized services to maintain the OTC market -- Localbitcoins, Paxful, and messenger apps like QQ, Wechat, Telegram, and Slack. The government is quietly allowing the OTC market to boom, but it would be trivial for them to target these centralized services.

The infrastructure for decentralized P2P trading is virtually nonexistent.

While Chinese exchanges may head overseas, Chinese investors may still not be able to access them. They will have to resort to OTC trading, which comes with its associated risks. The Chinese government's moves have actually pushed bitcoin trading to the fringes and made them more difficult to regulate.

I think Huobi's move here squashes hope that Chinese exchanges are returning. When the exchanges initially relocated to Hong Kong, it felt temporary and there were rumors of a new licensing system for exchanges. Seems like they are exiting the market for the long haul now.
2629  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Taxes: Altcoin airdrops (not fork coins) on: January 02, 2018, 10:22:09 PM
Altcoins are not recognized either as a currency or as an asset in the United States. So only when you involve fiat cash in the transactions, they become taxable.

I don't think that's true. The recent tax overhaul highlights why:

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After December 31, 2017, it is clear that only real estate can be the subject of a tax-free 1031 exchange. A 1031 exchange is a swap of one like kind business or investment asset for another. The IRS treats most swaps are taxable as sales, so 1031 is an exception to the normal rule.

So my guess is that we don't need to pay any taxes on our airdropped coins. The situation can change however, if the senate passes a law making crypto-coin airdrops taxable.

It doesn't matter whether altcoins are recognized as a currency or legal tender. The IRS made clear last year that "virtual currency [such as bitcoin] is treated as property for U.S. federal tax purposes." That means that Bitcoin and altcoins face the same tax procedures. The question for me is: At the time of of receipt, is it income? If I were being paid BTC or ETH, I would say yes. For many of the smaller altcoins, I'm not so sure. You can't easily liquidate them for USD without significant slippage (if at all).
2630  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Tax filing and Cryptocurrency Earnings in US on: January 01, 2018, 09:59:01 PM
If you've been neglecting to report income because you were deriving that income from altcoins rather than bitcoins, you better hope you're not audited.

Like I said, just getting started. I cashed in a whopping $20 at Coinbase last month from ZEC>LTC>Cash. I'm not going to worry about anyone coming after me for that.

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about that. Just saying, because I know people who have made millions of dollars trading altcoins and always thought they didn't have to pay taxes just because USD wasn't involved. BTC-denominated futures traders too. Lots of people are probably shitting their pants now that like-kind exchanges definitely don't apply to cryptocurrencies. I've always treated every trade as a taxable event (as horrible as that's been) and now I can breathe a sigh of relief that my taxes are still in order for the past few years.

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SSI are real assholes. Personally, I wouldn't let it keep me from mining. But they definitely consider mining income to be "additional income received" that would cause your SSI check to be docked. Technically, you're supposed to report it.

Hmmm... I guess I'm going to have to dig into this and give it some more thought. Any idea of when mined coins counts as "earned income"? Is it when the coins show up on your pool account, or deposited into a wallet, or when you actually cash it into dollars?

This all depends on how you structure things. I think a lot of people incorporate and do their taxes on mining income as a business. Not a lawyer/accountant, but I'm assuming that income is "received" when coins are deposited into your pool account. The fair market value of those coins at the time of deposit would be the cost basis.
2631  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-1-1]Bitcoin's gender divide could be a bad sign, experts say on: January 01, 2018, 08:02:05 PM
No one is stopping women from "engaging".

Its an open-source project, the clients are free to download as is the codebase.

If they CHOOSE not to, it isn't on anyone in the Bitcoin ecosystem to have "woman engagement quotas". Just another article pushing the usual "inclusive" agenda without understanding what both genders prefer. The cherry on top is how this is supposed to "prove" its a bubble.

Did you even read the article, or just the title? The author isn't suggesting that Bitcoin must be "inclusive" or have "woman engagement quotas." I'm guessing you have some deep-seeded political views that you are projecting here.

The author is merely pointing out a correlation. Correlation =/= causation, but correlations are often quite valuable for analysis. There's no reason to get upset just at the mention of it. Anyone trying to project accusations of SJW intentions here is likely very biased and didn't actually consider the scope of the article.
2632  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-12-30] Crypto Exchange Poloniex to Impose Customer ID Requirements on: January 01, 2018, 07:43:38 PM
For people who live in the US, but it will be different for people who live in third world countries as not everyone has social security number, but definitely has an ID.
If you don't want to go through all the process of verification, just move towards another exchange without ID requirements.

What's the big deal about social security numbers? What can questionable people do with them if they get hold of them? I see paranoia about this pop up regularly but there's no equivalent where I'm at.

There's only a few pieces of information that an identity thief needs to steal your identity: name, address, birth date, social security number, and driver's license number.  For whatever reason, unencrypted plain-text SSNs are widely used to verify identity -- banks and credit issuers, hospitals (for medical coverage), utility companies all use them to approve new accounts.

That's why it feels pretty shitty to give literally all the information one needs to steal my identity to shady exchanges. There should be some middle ground where we aren't required to hand identity thieves the keys to the castle.
2633  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Accounts Frozen As Australia Banks Crack Down on Crypto on: January 01, 2018, 07:29:08 PM
And this over here, from the article: "A Commonwealth Bank spokesman said “however, we do not currently use or recommend any existing virtual currencies as we do not believe they have yet met a minimum standard of regulation, reliability, and reputation compared to other currencies that we offer to our customers"

It's all about keeping the ponzi fiat alive, it's about the Commonwealth Bank being scared that the customers might start putting their savings outside the system.

To be fair, try to look at this from their perspective. If I were a manager at a large national bank, I would be extremely nervous about hundreds of millions of dollars in inflows and outflows to/from Bitcoin exchanges. I know there was a bill introduced earlier in the year regarding exchange regulation, but I believe nothing was passed.

So this is all still somewhat of a grey area in Australia. When the sector was tiny, the amounts of money were so small that it wasn't a major AML concern. But Bitcoin isn't tiny anymore. Major banks might be putting their ass on the line by acting as intermediaries for large exchange operations that may or may not be legitimate. Not sure how money transmitter licenses work over their either.

I'm surprised there hasn't been more of this worldwide really. At this moment in time there's little upside for banks and a whole lot of head aches. If they do go all out it'll wind up like China and go full P2P. There's not much the banks can do about that.

I think we'll see major crackdowns in the next year or two. I wonder how many of the early generation exchanges and businesses will survive. A lot of businesses could be crushed by compliance costs when targeted regulations start coming down the pipeline.
2634  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Trading history lost on dead exchanges on: January 01, 2018, 07:09:59 PM
What would the legal situation be if you want to cash out some BTC that you withdrew from an exchange that is now dead? This im sure it's the case of a lot of people.

Imagine that you sent some BTC to Cryptsy, or any other now dead exchange. You sold your BTC for LTC. LTC then went x4, and you sold it back to BTC. You made a x4 BTC gain, and you withdraw it back to your wallet.

If you tried to sell this BTC to buy a house or something, you couldn't be able to prove your gains due the exchange being dead, and most likely you weren't able to save your trading history because these things happen randomly, exchanges just disappear from nowhere. AND even IF you were able to save your trading history... so what? what proves that you didn't made up your trading history? if the exchange is dead there's no way to verify that your trades and addresses belong to Cryptsy.

Cryptsy went down almost two years ago. None of that trade history should matter for the 2017 tax year (or any future years). The recent IRS comments on like-kind exchanges were just clarification of the existing law. All trading done on Crypsty incurred tax liabilities during the year trades were closed (2013-2016). Typically, a trader would export their trading history at the end of the year for their tax return. It makes sense to regularly export your trading history in case the site disappears (as so many have). As for proving the addresses belonged to Cryptsy, that should be obvious enough from blockchain analysis if anyone really wanted to investigate.

Honestly this is a big mess. This is another reason why im so scared to buy BTC. They could come up with endless reasons to try to steal all of your BTC from you, even if you did nothing wrong. At the minimum opportunity where you can't proven something (such as being unlucky and losing trading history on a dead exchange) they im sure will not make it easy for you, but as worse as possible.

Any thoughts and solutions to this situation?

No exchanges send 1099s (or equivalent tax forms) to their customers at this point. So technically, exported trading history is all anyone (you or the exchange or the IRS) has to go off. Nobody can prove otherwise. As long as your taxes paid appear to have been made in good faith, I wouldn't worry too much.
2635  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Has anyone sold BTC won here in sig campaigns? how does tax work? on: January 01, 2018, 06:58:56 PM
In this case, you are going to need to explain the origin of your coins, and im not sure how I would explain I made some BTC posting in some internet forum, this may not be convincing to them even if it's the truth.

But it is the truth.

You should hopefully still be able to prove that you own the account that posted. You'll be able to point to the thread where you signed up. The thread will be there that describes the sig campaign and the pay rates. If you're sensible you'll retain the private key of the address that received the payments and lists each tx.

I can't imagine tax authorities asking you for your Bitcointalk login or private keys. They certainly shouldn't, and technically that wouldn't prove ownership of the funds at the time they were paid. I'd archive the sig campaign threads in case the site gets nuked, but that's more about proving where funds are derived from and less about taxes.

I think the IRS really just cares that people are making a good faith effort to pay their taxes. It seems like signature campaigns would fall under regular "wages/salaries/tips" or "other income" and taxed at the standard tax rate for the cost basis, and capital gains for any gains from holding.
2636  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Tax filing and Cryptocurrency Earnings in US on: January 01, 2018, 06:35:25 PM
I'm just getting started in this and the earnings/tax thing has me feeling very apprehensive. Apparently, now as of 2018, every single crypto transaction will be a taxable event.

This isn't new. It's just a clarification of the tax code that any competent CPA already understood. Like-kind exchanges for altcoins were never allowed under the tax code. If you've been neglecting to report income because you were deriving that income from altcoins rather than bitcoins, you better hope you're not audited.

I also have the additional concern of being on Social Security Disability. I don't "work" in the sense of holding down a job, but I'm obligated to report any extra income I might earn above certain amounts. I have no idea how mining, which I'm getting into, would have to be accounted for. To me, mining is simply making some extra money from a hobby.

SSI are real assholes. Personally, I wouldn't let it keep me from mining. But they definitely consider mining income to be "additional income received" that would cause your SSI check to be docked. Technically, you're supposed to report it.
2637  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-12-30] Crypto Exchange Poloniex to Impose Customer ID Requirements on: December 31, 2017, 10:15:50 PM
That is great. But they need to make things faster. When you send documents you will have to wait more them 2 months until they start the process. Sometimes even more. On Binance it has taken me less them one week. Bittrex 2 months.

Why is it great? Even if they could verify people in a timely manner, why should I feel safe verifying with them? They are asking for a full social security number now, along with passport/DL and HD selfie! These guys been hacked before, too.

Equifax can't even secure our credit reports, so why not? -- Is this the logic now?

Those not able to meet the requirement deadline, Poloniex said, will have their accounts disabled, meaning they will no longer be able to deposit, trade, lend or open orders.

But they will be able to withdraw. At least they aren't planning to steal from us... yet.

Yeah, tell that to all the people who have had withdrawals completely disabled over the past couple months. Roll Eyes
2638  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: WHY PAYING TAX TO GOVERNMENT on: December 31, 2017, 10:05:27 PM
Why people pay tax to gov? is it a donation?

Some people might see it that way. Most people are just complying with tax regulations because evading them can land you in jail.

I earned more than 2300 bitcoin since 2015, and exchange a part of them on localbitcoin,paxful using westernunion. But i never pay any taxes to gov and i dont own any bank account.

In march 2017 i decided to form a llc in delaware , on december 11, i received a letter from the registered agent that i have to pay taxes from january to may 2018.

Not having a bank account might have helped to keep you under the radar, but I assume you had to provide ID to Western Union on every trade? Those records still exist. The LLC definitely puts you on the IRS' radar, and if you are now running large transfers through bank accounts, banks file Suspicious Activity Reports to FinCEN. I believe that Western Union may file SARs on high value or structured transfers as well.

My question , do IRS can see  my BTC and BCC address? is it illegal to run an exchanger without  a Money Transmitter Licenses?

The IRS can't know identify your addresses just by looking at the blockchain. But they do work with Chainalysis to link addresses to identities, and fiat exchange is one of the easiest ways to do that.

If you trade above certain volumes, you are considered a money transmitter and you are supposed to register with FinCEN. You are also supposed to enforce some AML/KYC procedure to comply with money laundering regulations. Many people have been arrested for running unlicensed money transmitter services for exchanging Bitcoin for cash. But it should be noted that in most of the cases, there are additional investigations into guns and drugs underlying that activity.
2639  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-12-30] Massachusetts Securities Regulator: Bitcoin Fails 'The Smell Test' on: December 30, 2017, 07:23:49 PM
"We believe they (ICO) certainly qualify as securities," Gavin said, adding "This is clearly an area with potentials for fraud. And we are very concerned about that."
Source: https://www.coindesk.com/massachusetts-securities-regulator-bitcoin-fails-smell-test/

This stance seems to be different from the SEC's stance. The SEC had stated that ICOs may qualify as securities. depending upon their underlying characteristics. The classification of tokens is important, because that decides which regulator should oversee it.

That was their position in the DAO report. But SEC chairman Jay Clayton published a statement earlier this month that went further and was much more specific. The implication is that the vast majority (if not all) of ICOs as operated were securities offerings under US law:

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By and large, the structures of initial coin offerings that I have seen promoted involve the offer and sale of securities and directly implicate the securities registration requirements and other investor protection provisions of our federal securities laws.

In particular, I think that most ICO promoters made a grave mistake in touting the trading potential and potential resale value of their tokens. That likely puts them squarely in the sights of the SEC:

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It is especially troubling when the promoters of these offerings emphasize the secondary market trading potential of these tokens.  Prospective purchasers are being sold on the potential for tokens to increase in value – with the ability to lock in those increases by reselling the tokens on a secondary market – or to otherwise profit from the tokens based on the efforts of others.  These are key hallmarks of a security and a securities offering.
   
2640  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning Network VS SegWit2Mb(S2X) on: December 29, 2017, 10:08:04 PM
Everyone seems to be saying the Lightning Network will lead to more centralization. No, 2x would have lead to more centralization. Just because some LN users will open more channels than others does not mean it is centralized.

It's not an either/or situation. Yes, 2x (or more accurately 8x) would have led to more centralization. But let's not avoid the actual issues at hand. There are some edge cases where counterparty risk exists in Lightning. High on-chain fees may exacerbate this risk:

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Not "zero counterparty risk" but pretty close. If you can't post a transaction to the blockchain to prove that you own a certain amount of bitcoin then the party with whom you have an open channel could take all of the funds in the channel. This is an edge case, and if you choose your channel counterparties wisely should never be an issue even under adverse conditions on the blockchain. But still a possibility that makes the risk "non-zero".

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There are still two small risks. One, if the fee to close a channel is larger than the discrepancy, then it is not worth it. Second, if the bitcoin layer is backlogged, you might not be able to post a transaction in time.

If LN does solve the backlog, then the risk essentially becomes zero. However, if the backlog remains, than the counter-party risk is quite significant.

So, depending on the fee conditions of Layer 1, there can be additional risks to using Lightning. This risk entails that you choose your counterparties wisely, as John Light pointed out above.
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