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2081  Other / Archival / Re: The Founder of Bitcoin on: September 21, 2018, 07:27:32 AM
I think it would be better if the founder of Bitcoin will reveal his identity since many countries recognized the essence of this cryptocurrency.

If this might happen, it will contribute for more development of digital currency and regulations in Bitcoin procedures. Also, the acknowledgement must be given for the person who invented the most efficient digital currency in our society.

What are your thoughts?

There's no value in knowing the identity of Satoshi. Only bad things can come of it -- pressure from governments, threats on his life, etc. Bitcoin is much better off without some figurehead like Ethereum has with Vitalik Buterin. Having no founder/leader removes one possible attack vector.

I'm also an advocate for privacy. He/they should just be left alone.
2082  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Was Satoshi Nakamoto visionless? on: September 21, 2018, 07:17:35 AM
I'm not sure if satoshi makes bitcoin as an alternative payment system, or with the intention to create the best and most used payment system, but this second option is impossible by the bitcoin nature and i will explain why.

If bitcoin want to become the #1 transactions and payment system it would have to be really more powerfull. If we compare the daily transactions banks vs daily transactions bitcoins, then you will understand why i call satoshi visionless:

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Mastercard maintains 99.999 % availability and can process 3.4 billion transactions per day at 38,000+ transactions per second, with an average response time of 140 milliseconds….

Visa is at 24,000 TPS

https://www.quora.com/How-many-transactions-do-typical-banks-process-everyday

I'm not sure Bitcoin was ever intended to compete with Visa. It wasn't just designed as a payment system, but rather money, which is a far more impressive feat. I think this post by Satoshi really gets to the heart of his vision.

Also, in theory, Bitcoin could compete with Visa. Lightning or some other off-chain mechanism that allows for exponential scale will be required, though. I recall reading that Satoshi actually included payment channels in the original Bitcoin client, but they were removed because they were insecure.

Having a low TPS volume means more scarcity,which leads to bitcoin having more value as a "store of value" type of financial asset.

It's scarcity of the currency supply (the 21 million coin limit) that does that, not scarcity of transaction volume.
2083  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-18]Against Fake Volume Allegation: OKEx Distributes $5M Trading Commiss on: September 20, 2018, 10:39:06 PM
This should be a big concern doing fake volumes for their own personal gain is really a big problem especially when it affects the global prices. Fake volumes will mislead the public and will interpret it at another way around. From what I read before the U.S. government did a investigation to one of their famous exchanges because they allegedly falsifying data and that includes volume. The Chinese government must act now as the deceit they might be doing can be counted as a crime worthy of punishment.

The New York Attorney General recently reported that self-trading by Coinbase comprised around 20% of total volume. For Bitflyer, it was 10%. That's pretty drastic if true and would indicate that it's not just a problem for Chinese exchanges.

As a matter of fact, OKEx operates from Hong Kong and doesn't service CNY, so there may not be much the Chinese government can do.
2084  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [2019-09-10] Citigroup works on new Bitcoin trading product on: September 19, 2018, 11:27:20 PM
Are these assets actually backed by bitcoin, or are they just pegged by Citibank to bitcoin's value or an index of cryptos?

They're physically backed by bitcoins. Bitcoin is held by a custodian, and then receipts are issued by Citigroup against the BTC held in custody. The receipts are then sold to investors. In a lot of ways, these receipts are similar to physically backed ETF shares.

For now, it would seem to me that it's just another bitcoin derivative type of stuff that is aimed at speculating on the bitcoin markets. I would not get too excited about this news given that the best route to invest in bitcoin is still buying actual bitcoins instead of investing through a bank.

But it would be interesting to see whether this could actually go around existing regulatory concerns, if yes, then perhaps the ETF doesn't matter as much as people think at all.

They can't go around existing regulatory concerns. These receipts are negotiable securities. This scheme requires a rubber stamp from the SEC just like an ETF does.
2085  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Capitalism worship in this forum. on: September 19, 2018, 10:38:05 PM
It seems as though the majority of this forum are capitqalism worhsippers, ceo worshippers, blame the poor for making stupid decisions.

Not me. I'm an anarchist in the historical sense, so I'm an anti-capitalist. I'm influenced most by market anarchists like Benjamin Tucker. Unfortunately, this usually means I disagree with everyone in the room, since most people see things as a spectrum of Capitalism<-->Marxism. Anarchism doesn't exist on that spectrum, since it opposes all hierarchical relationships.

Let me clue you guys in, there is a lot of luck involved with how our lives turnout and for people born in the 3rd world country working in factory jobs work harder than all the CEOs.  No one is self made, we all rely on each other in this society.

I completely agree. For me, it mostly boils down to property ownership -- hence my handle. It's funny to me when people argue that those from the monied, property-owning classes -- who idly collect rent, profit and interest from the poor, and don't labor -- are "hard-working." Then we're told the people slaving away for shit wages out of desperation are lazy because they don't have money.

Universal basic income doesn't make people lazy, it actually gives people more opportunities to excel and crime rates would plummet.  UBI is actually owed to the citizens because all land has become privately owned and resources extracted, its just a dividend to every human on this planet which we share.

I've looked at the data, uncoditional UBI makes complete economic and social sense.  A lot of jobs are "bullshit jobs" anyways which serve no real purpose.  Most of the jobs are becoming automated anywyas so UBI is absolutely necessary or there will be mass revolution.

I'm ambivalent about UBI. It would provide relief to the poor and add some sense of sustainability to a system I'd prefer to see eradicated. It requires enforced taxation and centralized redistribution, which I oppose. I prefer mass revolution, where tenants and workers take their spaces back from the capitalists. I worry that a middle-of-the-road approach like UBI would inevitably appease the desire for mass revolution, in the same way that Democrats pacify the working poor while selling them down the river in the long term. These things seem inherently anti-revolutionary.
2086  Other / Meta / Re: Merit system causes more SPAM not less on: September 19, 2018, 06:54:53 PM
We probably have hundreds of people spamming the hell out of this board with multiple accounts and the merit system does nothing to stop the spam and it may actually cause more of it.  

I suppose that's why Theymos took it a step further by removing Newbie signatures entirely and demoting Jr. Members who haven't received merit. Now all those farms of Newbies and Jr. Members have no incentive to post garbage. They have no signatures.

It at least forces the costs of spamming higher. Spammers either need to buy merit -- which is in lower supply now that the initial airdrop is long over, so it should be harder to get for shitposters -- or they need to buy a Copper membership for 0.002+ BTC.

Are the costs high enough yet? Maybe not, but I think we should wait and see. In my own observation, the forum's been getting more readable now that the merit system is established. I think that trend will continue under this policy.
2087  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: in the future, token holders need KYC on: September 19, 2018, 06:22:21 PM
As long as tokens are built on decentralized platforms, I think it'll evolve into a two-tier space.

Tokens would be issued and redeemed by companies and brokers, who might have a KYC mechanism to comply with securities regulators. But since no entity has control over the underlying blockchain, they can't stop a secondary P2P market from developing where investors can buy and sell without KYC requirements. I would opt to invest on the secondary market, preferably using decentralized exchanges, to avoid trust and privacy breaches.
2088  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-17] John Mcafee: Decentralized Exchanges Will Trigger ‘Largest Economi on: September 19, 2018, 05:48:40 PM
" If the exchange is distributed across 20 million wallets on smartphones and laptops and pads, then what do you do?" - Let's

answer his question. You simply target the mobile phone service providers, because they are centralized too and most

countries have very strict regulations to govern these companies. This is why technologies like M-Pesa is inferior to Bitcoin,

because it mostly runs on centralized mobile phones and centralized service providers. Governments will target platforms

under their control.  Angry

What if people encrypt their communications, though? How would the mobile phone service providers or ISPs know that Bitcoin transactions are taking place? That seems like the first step.

Also, I think wireless mesh networks could be relevant here. It's an infrastructure for routing that doesn't need to be centralized.
2089  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin/Crypto FBAR Question on: September 19, 2018, 10:45:05 AM
To those of you who done the FBAR, what price are you suppose to use for the highest balance of bitcoin or any crypto?  Thus say you use binance or electrum and kept btc there and had enough btc where you had at least 10k during the year and at end of year, what is the highest balance you are suppose to use?  Take the highest amount of btc you held in binance or electrum and go to coinmarketcap and look for the highest closing balance?  Or at the end of the year? Thus if you had 2 btc, well your balance at end of year would be like 14100 x  = 28200.  But it went up to 19200 at one point.  So is it 19200 x 2 = 38600?

Anyone who filed FBAR could explain?

Also they need your account number.  What account number are you giving for a wallet like electrum?  There is no email or account number associated with it as oppose to if you use an exchange like say binance.  Also are nano ledger s or trezor foreign?

There's a lot of contradictory information out there regarding FBARs and Bitcoin. The IRS continues to avoid issuing official guidance and practitioners disagree on the law's application to cryptocurrency and cryptocurrency exchange accounts.

One thing that's for sure is the FBAR is only for financial accounts. It doesn't extend to your Electrum wallet, or any other cryptocurrency wallet --

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On June 4, Rod Lundquist, a senior program analyst for the Small Business/Self-Employed Division, confirmed that, for FBAR purposes, Bitcoin is not reportable "...not at this time." He followed up by saying that "FinCEN has said that virtually currency is not going to be reportable on the FBAR, at least for this filing season."

But there's more ambiguity with regard to the FBAR and foreign exchanges. Here's one perspective:

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But there is some uncertainty among tax professionals about whether cryptocurrency investors who buy off foreign exchanges need to go through these additional foreign account reporting measures.

"There probably is an FBAR requirement, but I wouldn't go as far as to say there always is one," said Kevin F. Sweeney, a former federal tax prosecutor and an attorney at Chamberlain Hrdlicka in Philadelphia.

He said a lack of guidance from the government has left a "black hole" in his analysis.

"It would seem awfully unfair if they would expect taxpayers to know that — and to then issue penalties for taxpayers who didn't do that — when practitioners can't even 100 percent figure out if there's an FBAR requirement," he said.

Here's another:

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In response to my query earlier today regarding disclosure, IRS issued this statement: The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, which issues regulatory guidance pertaining to Reports of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts (FBARs), is not requiring that digital (or virtual) currency accounts be reported on an FBAR at this time but may consider requiring such accounts to be reported in the future. No additional guidance is available at this time.

If you do decide to report your holdings on an FBAR, then for maximum account value, they want the highest value at any point in the year. You need to convert each balance to USD to determine that. The maximum account value isn't necessarily the highest amount of BTC you had at any one time, though it might be. Here is the IRS guidance:

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Maximum Account Value

Step 1. Determine the maximum value of each account (in the currency of that account) during the calendar year being reported. The maximum value of an account is a reasonable approximation of the greatest value of currency or nonmonetary assets in the account during the calendar year. Periodic account statements may be relied on to determine the maximum value of the account, provided that the statements fairly reflect the maximum account value during the calendar year.

Step 2. In the case of non-United States currency, convert the maximum account value for each account into United States dollars. Convert foreign currency by using the Treasury's Financial Management Service rate (http://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/treasRptRateExch/treasRptRateExch_home.htm) for the last day of the calendar year. If no Treasury Financial Management Service rate is available, use another verifiable exchange rate and provide the source of that rate.
2090  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-18]Against Fake Volume Allegation: OKEx Distributes $5M Trading Commiss on: September 18, 2018, 08:58:15 PM
Hmmm, this doesn't read like a sponsored press release at all! Wink

The proof is based on the fact that a share of commissions are given to OKB (OKEx platform token) holders. They claim $5M gets distributed, but how much of it is just distributed back to themselves? I don't see the token listed on Coinmarketcap, and I can't find anything about its distribution.

Further down in the press release:

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The total available supply of OKB is 1 billion, some of which will be locked up with those programs meanwhile the value of OKB will be added. 60% of the circulation amount will be given to OKEx users for community building through marketing campaigns, which enables OKB holders to enjoy various privileges and the increasing profit for long term.

Sounds legit... Roll Eyes
2091  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why arguments against Bitcoin are wrong... on: September 18, 2018, 08:15:16 PM
Bitcoin anonymity and decentralization is for hackers, scammers/frauds, criminals also. They will run away after the crime.

They do that with fiat money, too. In a world where so many identities are stolen everyday for financial crime, it's becoming obvious that identity verification is not the answer. Plus, cash doesn't even leave a paper trail; Bitcoin does.

Terrorists can mine and buy Bitcoin and when the price goes to $400 to $4000, terrorists will have 10 times more money.

There are lots of other legitimate ways that terrorists can make money. Should we ban them all?

transaction fees are too high argument originated from way back in 2017, prior to SegWit and the Lightning network, when

the original Blockchain was still spammed and congested. A lot of the people still saying that, is simply uninformed and have

not tested SegWit transfers yet.

Segwit didn't really alleviate the congestion and Lightning isn't widely used yet. The overall transaction load just drastically dropped in December, when the price peaked. I'm hopeful that LN will shoulder a lot of throughput once adoption takes off, but Segwit's block size bump was just a small, linear increase.
2092  Economy / Speculation / Re: optomical or pessimistic about ETF this month on: September 18, 2018, 07:49:48 PM
What do you think about this month's news about ETF whether it is optomical or pessimistic? if it is approved is it safe to invest? and if it's rejected what you think?

I'm pretty sure it'll be delayed or rejected. Both outcomes would probably have a similar negative effect on the market.

As I understand, the physically-backed structure is similar to the proposed Winklevoss ETF which was also recently rejected by the SEC. Their statement at that time seemed like a pretty sweeping condemnation of the underlying market, which they paint as easily manipulated. I don't see why their opinion would have changed over the last two months. Nothing has changed.
2093  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How I can check the fee for now ? on: September 18, 2018, 07:34:29 PM
How I can check the fee for now ? I can't understand how fees work. Is there a website where I can type the  the amount of BTC transaction and I how much will be the fee.
I found one website but there it types - it doesn't matter how many BTC you send you will get same fee. And there types that now fee for a transaction is 0.6$. It is really so low ? I don't really trust the fee can be so low
Is there a website where I can write amount of BTC I want to send and it check the fee in real time?

Bitcoin transaction fees are based on transaction size, not amount. We measure fees in "satoshis per byte" -- a satoshi = 0.00000001 BTC. Users compete for block space -- higher fee transactions get confirmed faster than low fee transactions.

This is the tool I use to check network fees. It shows how many transactions are waiting to be confirmed at various fee rates. Right now, 2-3 satoshis/byte will probably get confirmed in the next block. Earlier in the day, you needed closer to 7 satoshis/byte for the same confirmation speed.

How I can know how many bytes my transaction have? It's just send btc from one wallet to another

Any good wallet will allow you to manually set the fee rate without worrying about the size. For beginners, I suggest Electrum. It has a slider that allows you to choose based on how urgent your transaction is. For increased precision, I manually enter the fee -- I prefer to pay very low fees and wait for confirmation -- and then I click "Preview transaction" to confirm it has the correct satoshi/byte rate.

It shows how many transactions are waiting to be confirmed at various fee rates. Right now, 2-3 satoshis/byte will probably get confirmed in the next block. Earlier in the day, you needed closer to 7 satoshis/byte for the same confirmation speed.
How do you know it's need 2-3satoshis/byte

Each block will vary regarding how many transactions it includes, based on how many transactions are waiting in the mempool and how large they are. On average, it tends towards ~2000 or so transactions per block. So if I see, say, 1500 transactions pending at 2 satoshis/byte or below, I generally assume 2 satoshis/byte is adequate to get confirmed in the next block, though occasionally it can take a bit longer.
2094  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A simple proof that Bitcoin has zero value on: September 18, 2018, 06:53:47 PM
So, Peter owns 2 numbers and Peter owns number 2. But how can someone own a number? The first three rows in our database clearly show that numbers are just means to quantify things, they are not things that are owned. As such, these numbers are valueless on their own, and they can be created out of thin air.

Bitcoin is a "thing" just like the others, which is why it's generally treated as property or currency. The fact that you can only fathom bitcoins as "numbers" is just a function of your own limitations.

And bitcoins definitely can't be created out of thin air. You can spin up another new cryptocurrency out of thin air, but not bitcoins. People across the world run Bitcoin nodes that enforce the protocol. They completely ignore any attempts to print BTC out of thin air.

Bitcoin is a number in a database, not a thing. A thing is some entity, object, or creature that exists outside the database which contains some data about it. I explained this already.

That explanation is completely inadequate. Why do bitcoins need to be "things" at all? This is a requirement you invented without reason. You say, "if we now ask what actual thing outside the database is owned by Peter, we face an inherent contradiction."

Owning bitcoins doesn't entail owning "things outside the decentralized ledger." Why would it need to? The whole point is that they're a native currency in a monetary network. If you have a balance at a bank, you don't have a "thing" to show for it either -- only numbers in the bank's database, numbers on a screen. Do dollars have no value when they're just numbers in a database? What matters is what other people will pay for them, not your circular proofs that depend on your cherry-picked definitions.

Also, let's take a look at the definition of "thing."

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1 : an object or entity not precisely designated or capable of being designated. 2a : an inanimate object distinguished from a living being. b : a separate and distinct individual quality, fact, idea, or usually entity. 5a : possessions, effects. 5b : whatever may be possessed or owned or be the object of a right.

How are bitcoins not "things?"
2095  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is now consuming 1% of the world's electricity. Is that sustainable? on: September 17, 2018, 07:53:10 PM
And unfortunately, Lightning does also not really contribute to a "decreasing energy consumption". Bitcoin's energy consumption is mostly based on its price (higher price -> higher potential profit for miners -> higher hashrate -> higher energy consumption). Lightning could even lead to a boost in price, because of the increasing attraction to use Bitcoin for smaller real-world transactions, and thus to a higher energy consumption.

Correct. I think that mining speculation -- and thus energy consumption -- are tied to price, which is tied to adoption and speculation about adoption. Eventually those two things will converge, but for now it's a gold rush that assumes future exponential adoption.

Lightning may bring renewed utility and micropayments to Bitcoin, which could certainly foster adoption and drive price up. Not only that, but Lightning requires that users lock up BTC to use the network or collect fees from it. That can lessen available supply on the market.

With that in mind, I don't really see the mining arms race slowing down anytime soon...
2096  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does bitcoin control the market? on: September 17, 2018, 07:34:20 PM
Most people believe that the price of altcoins' is determined by the price of bitcoin and that they tend to follow it's market movements.

I partially disagree with this. I have studied prices of coins and tokens on CMC and the fluctuations of each currency seems to be unique and independent of any other digital currency. Some show strong pumps when BTC goes down and some heavy dumps when BTC is rising.

Undoubtedly, there are market forces and factors which affects most currencies, this is not influenced by bitcoins price, it rather controls bitcoins' price as well as others.
So when trading or investing, make sure you treat each currency differently as they have different utilities.

Obviously, no coin has a 100% correlation to BTC. That would be too easy for traders to exploit, as all altcoin markets are less liquid and more volatile than BTC. They all move independently sometimes.

A lot seems to ride on the underlying longer term trend of BTC. When Bitcoin is in a bull market like last year, altcoins alternate between positive and negative correlation with BTC. But in a crash -- and this is the important takeaway -- altcoins will fall with BTC, and they'll fall harder. Exceptions exist but they're very rare.
2097  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How I can check the fee for now ? on: September 17, 2018, 07:15:04 PM
How I can check the fee for now ? I can't understand how fees work. Is there a website where I can type the  the amount of BTC transaction and I how much will be the fee.
I found one website but there it types - it doesn't matter how many BTC you send you will get same fee. And there types that now fee for a transaction is 0.6$. It is really so low ? I don't really trust the fee can be so low
Is there a website where I can write amount of BTC I want to send and it check the fee in real time?

Bitcoin transaction fees are based on transaction size, not amount. We measure fees in "satoshis per byte" -- a satoshi = 0.00000001 BTC. Users compete for block space -- higher fee transactions get confirmed faster than low fee transactions.

This is the tool I use to check network fees. It shows how many transactions are waiting to be confirmed at various fee rates. Right now, 2-3 satoshis/byte will probably get confirmed in the next block. Earlier in the day, you needed closer to 7 satoshis/byte for the same confirmation speed.
2098  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A simple proof that Bitcoin has zero value on: September 17, 2018, 07:03:51 PM
So, Peter owns 2 numbers and Peter owns number 2. But how can someone own a number? The first three rows in our database clearly show that numbers are just means to quantify things, they are not things that are owned. As such, these numbers are valueless on their own, and they can be created out of thin air.

Bitcoin is a "thing" just like the others, which is why it's generally treated as property or currency. The fact that you can only fathom bitcoins as "numbers" is just a function of your own limitations.

And bitcoins definitely can't be created out of thin air. You can spin up another new cryptocurrency out of thin air, but not bitcoins. People across the world run Bitcoin nodes that enforce the protocol. They completely ignore any attempts to print BTC out of thin air.
2099  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-17] John Mcafee: Decentralized Exchanges Will Trigger ‘Largest Economi on: September 17, 2018, 06:32:03 PM
He's a silly billy but he does have a point here. Exchanges are still overwhelmingly centralised with all the endless problems and bullshit that brings. I'm not sure how many people realise how rare non centralised exchanges are.

Bisq and equivalents will very much need to up their game on the fiat side of things though.

But on a fundamental level, decentralized exchanges seem incompatible with fiat money. A decentralized exchange should be trustless -- multi-sig contracts or similar can secure the trade. This can be extended to stablecoins, but stablecoins are funded with money that has already been deposited into the cryptocurrency ecosystem. We need to solve deposits and withdrawals to/from the fiat ecosystem.

How can this work with trusted third parties, like with bank transfers? How can a decentralized protocol verify that a P2P cash exchange actually occurred? It seems like these things require arbitrage mechanisms to settle trader disputes that can't be done on a trustless or decentralized basis.
2100  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-09-17]Nasdaq is Acquiring Crypto-Friendly Swedish Exchange on: September 17, 2018, 05:55:58 PM
Cinnober has a history for bullishness towards digital assets and making it easier for institutions to invest in them. One of those efforts is the partnership with BitGo, a behemoth for institutional-grade cryptocurrency custody security.

As CCN reported, on the heels of the SEC’s second rejection for the Winklevoss twins’ ETF, the Nasdaq held a closed-door meeting with cryptocurrency industry experts. In the meeting, participants discussed ways to legitimize cryptocurrencies as a traditional securities product, especially in ways to appease the fickle SEC.

Cinnober’s BitGo platform is well-suited for large institutional investors in Nasdaq. The multi-signature security and custody solution with BitGo has made it one of the most popular in the space. Nasdaq’s release points to their interest in Cinnober’s success in offering newer asset types.

With so many potential products in the pipeline -- Citi's DARs, the ETFs, BAKKT, Bank of America moving into cryptocurrency custody, and now Nasdaq entering the fray -- it's obvious there's going to be a regulated Bitcoin securities market.

This acquisition sounds promising, though I'm sure it'll be a while before we see anything approved and launched.
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