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2641  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: June 12, 2014, 12:11:43 PM
Are you using the Mintpal chart?

Mintpal had issued a notice of maintenance

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NOTICE: We'll be carrying out some maintenance today at 1PM UTC. Expected to last 15 minutes, trading will be offline for this time

...might be related.
2642  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Unmoderated XC thread on: June 12, 2014, 12:08:09 PM
My progress claims stil holds, even now they postponed the upgrade... maybe in 1 year DRK team can actually deliver what they promised lol

The specs were upgraded along the way hence the delivery takes more time.

Plain coinjoin evolved into DarkSend to solve issues that appeared while implementing coinjoin (like DOS).

Normal node mixing evolved into masternodes and introduction of proof-of-service with masternode payments that is a platform for various services across the network - something impossible with plain nodes. It also future-proofs the network in ways that haven't been solved up to now.

So there is actually over-delivery in the part of the dev compared to the initial plan. And the competing with the other top altcoins / bitcoin part is right on track (what a DRK buyer wants to see).

As for the rest of vapor-ware coins, why are they so anxious for Darkcoin to finish? Ah yes, because they have nothing to show for and want DarkSend opened.
2643  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Unmoderated XC thread on: June 12, 2014, 11:24:23 AM

DRK has encrypted transactions as a planned feature since January.


Yeah, and now it's June, great progress there... DRK also promised anonymity and then said that it would never be 100% anon

You got it backwards.

The plan for DRK was to provide privacy / moderate anonymity but pressure escalated to improve anonymity around March after some discussions between Evan and Anonymint and that's what is being done the last few months (DarkSend was changed to increase anonymity and it will get further increases).

As promised, here is our vision and future plans for XCoin!

http://xcoin.co/XCoinVision.pdf

TL;DR: We're building XCoin into a moderately-anonymous network, where the transactions are sent encrypted and only able to be read the party who is receiving the funds. Blocks will be published via CoinJoin as to ensure some amount of anonymity. This is being built in such a way to compete with the other top alt-coins and maybe even Bitcoin.  

Btw, full of win that statement with competing with other top alt-coins or even Bitcoin... Grin

As for the encryption, network encryption is the easy part. Getting the mechanics to work on the Bitcoin protocol is the hard stuff.
2644  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Unmoderated XC thread on: June 12, 2014, 10:11:05 AM
I wanted to do a comparison between DRK and XC, and I invite input from anyone.
It seems that DRK has an advantage in that it preceded XC and gained a significant following before XC appeared. However after that I'm not sure how it is better.

1. DRK relies on Masternodes.    With XC each wallet can act as a node.  Better for XC?

DRK "relies" on masternodes, XC "relies" on xnodes... Branding differences. Given that most people open their wallet to transact and then close it, or have their PC off, dedicated hardware is better for network reliability. However there is nothing preventing one from running a masternode on their laptop.

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2. DRK has a mixer (coinjoin)      XC has a mixer that is also encrypted?  Better for XC?

DRK has encrypted transactions as a planned feature since January.

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3. Both coins have talented developers, but XC 's developer has important business experience too, which may help in gaining widespread adoption...?

Adoption for cryptocurrencies in general is problematic. It will take years - and I'm not talking about 2-3-5-10 merchants accepting DRK or XC. We are talking about tens of thousands of merchants doing so. The attention span of most people in cryptoland is too short for waiting so long.

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4. It is claimed that XC is building an entire platform ? Is DRK doing this or seeing it as important?

The potential to provide network services that are paid for them, is a DRK concept. The difference being that XC is a PoS coin and as such cannot pay with block generation, so it'll have to do it with fees.

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5. The name Darkcoin is very different in it's connotations to XC 11 coin. Will Darkcoins name possibly impede it's progress?

People said that since the beginning... It's working great so far and the global media love it for portraying it as the darker brother of bitcoin or something. I think the name is a definite hit.

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6. DRK presently trades much bigger volume and is on at least one bigger important exchange

7. XC is a lot cheaper.

Tends to happen with all market leaders.
2645  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: June 12, 2014, 04:18:15 AM
Panic buy Tongue
2646  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: June 12, 2014, 04:16:45 AM
Speculation crushed Tongue
2647  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: June 12, 2014, 03:47:51 AM
Or maybe he wants to setup 60 nodes and moving the money through cryptsy as to not be identified directly with the nodes.

Or it's just cryptsy cold wallet and someone else took "delivery" of their own DRKs and have to compensate for liquidity in the hot wallet.

2648  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: June 11, 2014, 07:38:28 PM
Why are these builds called RC anyhow?  RC is Release Candidate, meaning it's a beta and if no problems are found and people like it then it goes gold and is released as-is.  That is not what these builds are, there is no intention to release DRK as finished after RC3 (or 4 or 5) no matter how well it goes.

Why not just use proper beta numbering?  Maybe call them milestone releases or something like that.

The versioning for prealpha/alpha/beta/RC was for DarkSend, not the entire Darkcoin project.
2649  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Revamped PinkCoin (PC) Pure 100% PoS | Multipool | Fundraiser | Anonymous on: June 10, 2014, 11:39:01 PM
How does the anon work anyway? Is there a whitepaper?

bump
2650  Economy / Economics / Re: Hypothetically, if a large enough gold deposit was found, could it cause economi on: June 10, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
Gold is inflationary. Technology will always find new ways to extract more and more gold from the earth. Eventually they will figure out how to mass produce it through industrial processes. In the short term it can be a hedge of sorts but eventually the price will keep falling.

The price is also related to quantity of fiat.

Quantity of fiat vs quantity of gold.

Given that the global debt situation requires a lot of new fiat to be issued to cover old debts => it's unlikely gold production will hit the percentage increases of new fiat production.

Gold is generally considered to be a hedge against inflation.

It is... it inflates at a rate of ~1-1.5% in itself (2.500 tons added annually to 180.000 tons above ground quantity). The global monetary supply is inflating faster, so the ratio between fiat money and quantities of gold is going in favor of gold.

There are also other uses of gold other then as a hedge against inflation. Gold is often used in semiconductors among other thins. This will put somewhat of a floor on the price of gold in terms of CPI as companies can produce things with gold more cheaply if the price of gold falls, creating demand for gold.

If we had ample quantities, there would be no reason having copper-nickel coins. It'd all be gold and silver. So even more demand.

For silver in particular, it would also mean wires are made out of silver, instead of copper. Silver is a better conductor. Especially in electric motors, silver wire coils produce more power than copper coils for the same electricity produced.
2651  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: June 10, 2014, 10:36:23 PM
Thats a lot of green on the Mintpal 15min charts.

Someone would explain it like this: "we are running dangerously low on DRKs from stupid people" Tongue
2652  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Revamped PinkCoin (PC) Pure 100% PoS | Multipool | Fundraiser | Anonymous on: June 10, 2014, 10:53:31 AM
How does the anon work anyway? Is there a whitepaper?
2653  Economy / Economics / Re: Hypothetically, if a large enough gold deposit was found, could it cause economi on: June 10, 2014, 10:44:36 AM
Gold is inflationary. Technology will always find new ways to extract more and more gold from the earth. Eventually they will figure out how to mass produce it through industrial processes. In the short term it can be a hedge of sorts but eventually the price will keep falling.

The price is also related to quantity of fiat.

Quantity of fiat vs quantity of gold.

Given that the global debt situation requires a lot of new fiat to be issued to cover old debts => it's unlikely gold production will hit the percentage increases of new fiat production.

Gold is generally considered to be a hedge against inflation.

It is... it inflates at a rate of ~1-1.5% in itself (2.500 tons added annually to 180.000 tons above ground quantity). The global monetary supply is inflating faster, so the ratio between fiat money and quantities of gold is going in favor of gold.
2654  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: June 10, 2014, 10:22:04 AM
DRK will promote freedom, actual freedom to gzillion people out there. Not only hi-end capital, but safe small tx too. Be it large volume, be it micro-tx. Totally private and anon.

The first real "e-money" ever.

THIS IS HERE AND NOW... Evan is just ironing some kinks. Testnet is getting stronger by the second!

1. It will get to totally private and (almost completely) anon when it gets anonymity enhancements + strong IP obfuscation.

2. It's not simply ironing out. I don't think people understand that altering the Bitcoin protocol in such a fundamental way, and making it resilient, is huge. It sounds simple in concept ("we'll add 10-20% payment to the node") but the delays should make everyone appreciate that it isn't.

Bitcoin is going against everything that we know regarding "coding" in the sense that ...it doesn't break! If you alter it in some ways, it can break. I don't even know if it is possible to alter it in a way that doesn't introduce some kind of vulnerability. Evan will need all the help he can get with this, not only by experienced people who do quality testing, but also by experienced coders that might be able to find different solutions in things that he can't see. The task of ...defying Satoshi's codebase, even by modifying it and trying to preserve its resilience, is no small feat.

A month ago I wrote:

I think it's a safe bet to assume there'll be another hard fork later on to fix bugs that appear live. The masternode payment system is a complex system and its doubtful that testnet has evaluated all possible scenarios where it can break.

Now remember... Bitcoin has redefined stability in a way that altcoins should be ...ashamed of themselves, really. Almost any changes that altcoins do on the bitcoin codebase, result in some type of problem. Or if they are written entirely from scratch, they have tons of issues (like CN coins, POS coins etc) because, well... they weren't written by the brilliance of Satoshi who had every parameter and possible eventuality almost mapped-out. The guy was thinking about variable types that expire in decades... His mind had a branch-prediction of seemingly every possible eventuality.

In my estimation it will require quite a bit of time to get everything sorted out but that's no blocker really because actual development projects require time. Writing a whitepaper just to initiate a pump & dump, without any substance behind it, takes just 40 minutes. Any coin that promises the world and skips the "ok, but where is the development time that is needed to do all these?" is nothing more than a scam. DRK isn't leading because it solved everything in a week. It's building upon months and months of work / new code / trials.

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However this isn't even close to what we see. Time and time again, thousands of DRK are dumped, and the price only moves a handful of percent. Now, I get clearly this is biased as you could point to times where this wasn't the case and DRK fell dramatically. Absolutley, but this isn't my point.

This thing actually started back in February. It seems to be almost inherent to DRK... Back then DRK was like 0.002... Around late February an exchange was hacked, the hacker took 330 BTCs and bought DRK that he then dumped on Poloniex. This would be enough to kill ANY coin at that stage. The dumps were massive. Yet, the coin rebound back to 0.002 and only after several waves of dumps the price went down to 0.001-0.0015. The resilience shown was even more mindblowing than the current one - as weird as it may sound given today's numbers, because the Feb numbers in terms of order book / liquidity / marketcap were faaaaar smaller...

There is simply no single coin out there with the resilience of DRK, whether it's the community acting as a pillar of stability, whale buyers, or a combination of both.
2655  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: June 10, 2014, 05:06:49 AM
I don't think so. Darkcoin is pretty much coinjoin/sharedcoin. I think the techniques would still apply to Darkcoin as well.

The inputs in the above diagram are not identical.

Check the difference with a DarkSend:

http://explorer.darkcoin.io/tx/56b3b95b76995d3e4d3107cf753c8496493010f625fc04d971e9262d74e6a5a5
2656  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Greececoin (GRCE) - THE IS AIR DROP NOW 1st MAY on: June 10, 2014, 04:21:11 AM
Coinmarketcap

306    GreeceCoin   $ 192   $ 0.000130   1,483,582 GRCE**   $ 6   -78.86 %

192$ market cap?

This is not even worth the space and bandwidth of bitcointalk.


2657  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: June 10, 2014, 02:54:20 AM
https://www.facebook.com/Darkcoin

Just an FYI to everyone here, The Darkcoin Facebook page is calling Darkcoin a scam and linking a Hazard Article. I assume the page was hacked.

=> https://www.facebook.com/DarkcoinOfficial

That's the official one.



1. XC (X11 / PoW/PoS): It's going at it the wrong way (trusted nodes + coin forwarding from wallet to wallet - leading to lost coins / potential for stealing). They will have to change strategy.
2. Cloak (X13 / PoW/PoS): Laundering through exchanges, LOL
3. Mastiffcoin (X11 / PoW/PoS): Laundering through exchanges, LOL
4. Vericoin (Scrypt / PoW/PoS): Nothing to show for except promises
5. Pinkcoin (X11 / PoW/PoS): Centralized mixer
6. Cryptcoin (X11 / PoW/PoS): Nothing to show for except promises
7. Libertycoin (X11 / PoW/PoS): Nothing to show for except promises
8. Honorcoin (X11 / PoW/PoS): Nothing to show for except promises
9. Dreamcoin (X11 / PoW/PoS): Nothing to show for except promises
10. Cinni: (Scrypt / PoW/PoS): Nothing to show for except promises
11. Boost: (X13 / PoW/PoS): Nothing to show for except promises
12. Anoncoin (PoW Scrypt): IP obfuscation
13. TIPS (PoW Scrypt): Centralized mixer
14. Bytecoin-BCN (PoW): 99% premine of circulating coins + problematic codebase coupled with good anonymity (+2 years in development and still in infancy regarding basic stuff like GUI)
15. Bytecoin clones (PoW): Increasing in numbers every day diluting that field. MRO gets a special mention due to being the first clone. BBR gets another special mention for having a good dev. Still they experience significant problems due to the new codebase.
16. Zerocoin: DOA (?) / delayed for months
17. NXT (PoS): In discussions relative to anonymous implementation

vs

Darkcoin: DarkSend works right now (trustless/decentralized mixing). There are a few bugs to be sorted out in masternode payments.

...disaster Tongue

updated list
2658  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: June 10, 2014, 02:25:59 AM
DRK FTW?

sounds good... post a pic when you put the license plate on Cool
2659  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: June 10, 2014, 02:25:11 AM
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While I still have my core holdings, I've sold all of my coin I use to trade and lower my price point.  Reason being, the fundamentals, at present, have changed.  Darkcoin currently has a centralized point of failure.  Granted, it's only temporary according to Evan and I do believe in him as a coder, but until DRK does not have a centralized point of failure, I cannot invest more and feel the trend will be down as I know I'm not the only person who feels that way.

This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

- If checkpointing is temporarily enforced to provide a safety net for potential forking => some will express "centralization" concerns and say they will sell.
- If random forking remains a threat during the next upgrade => some will have uncertainties regarding forking and might want to express their desire to sell to avoid a similar issue
- If you wait another 2 months to debug the shit out of masternode payments => some will say "ohhh more delays, let's sell"

You can't satisfy everyone...

PS. It's good though to have investor pressure in order to deliver the best product possible.
2660  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Alt-coin "paid" full nodes on: June 10, 2014, 02:17:16 AM
Hello,
I need to catch up with news in alt scene. Some time ago I read about coins that aimed to reward full node for running.

Is there anything already? If so how many coins you can claim?

Darkcoin is implementing node payments, but not any node. It pays 20% of block reward for each "masternode", which is a node through which anonymous transactions are laundered.

Thus a "proof-of-service" model is rising out of this, with expansion potential in terms of services provided over the network.

This is how block generation appears (this was with 10% block reward in May... block 5, where 4.5 goes to miner and 0.5 goes to masternode)

http://explorer.darkcoin.io/tx/ae49260fef47a631cd64750c1b5d3fea184bbd32df3e2f1dc4cd61913932802e

Currently payments are down for debugging, they should resume at 20% later this month.
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