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2641  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Apakah Token Menjanjikan ??? on: May 05, 2022, 05:19:08 PM
Hari ini harga PYR mengalami penurunan hingga 9.6%, memang sedikit mengkhawatirkan bagi Holder PYR, tapi jika melihat PYR ketika partama kali masuk ke Binance sempat mencapai harga $49, saya pikir sekarang momen yang bagus untuk menambah Portofolio. kondisi pasar sedang mendukung bagi siapapun yang ingin masuk, setelah Bitcoin bullish Altcoin lain mungkin akan mengikuti Tren bitcoin.

Harga PYR hari ini di coingecko.
https://www.coingecko.com/id/koin_koin/vulcan-forged
Mungkin efek bitcoin drop harga Vulcan kembali drop di angka $8.9 dan ini tentunya sedikit agak khawatir jika bitcoin tidak bisa bullish bisa saja vulcan stable harga di bawah $9. Namun saya rasa koin yang sudah naik agak sedikit tinggi jangan dilirik lagi mending fokus di koin baru yang masih hype, setidaknya bisa meraih profit lebih cepat dibandingkan harus menunggu agak lumayan lama di Vulcan agar bisa naik kembali di harga $10 dan mudah2an saja bisa membuat harga tertinggi lagi setelah sebelunya sempat mencapai $49 saat listing di Binance.
2642  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 05, 2022, 04:54:23 PM
Betis - Barcelona is such an interesting match that both of them can be the winner at the end of it. Because Betis are also one of the teams that are having an incredible season. This is their biggest success in the La Liga for so many years. And they still have a chance for even joining the Champions League. They mustn't turn this opportunity down that easy. As Atletico Madrid also have a very difficult match against Real Madrid, I think Betis have a big opportunity to catch up with them maybe. I'm just thinking of betting on both teams to score and enjoy the match.  Cheesy

Real Betis have a good chance to close the gap with Atletico Madrid by winning this match. However, their recent performance is very bad. They have not won in the last 3 matches. Now it will be more difficult for them to win against a strong team like Barcelona. Barcelona, ​​on the other hand, will definitely want to secure second place in the points table. And they will play with the goal of winning all the upcoming matches. Since Real Betis is not in good form, I think Barcelona is the favorite in this match.
Not easy closing points with Atletico Madrid although have inconsistent on last 3 match before with Atletico but Real Betis have match against with Barcelona, not function yet when Atletico Madrid losing on Madrid derby trough Real Betis can't defeat Barcelona. Can reach with 4th place depending with Real Betis could success getting 3 points begin first with match against Barcelona, Valencia, Granada and last match against with the winner team real Madrid. If can success get 12 points from 4 match left have chance with Real Betis get ticket for champion league next season.
2643  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: May 05, 2022, 04:47:57 PM
Kalau ga salah, hari ini ada kabar kalau Bitcoin dan Binance akan bekerja sama dengan Elon Musk untuk investasi di Twitter. Berita ini cukup memberikan efek terhadap harga Bitcoin, bahkan BNB sempat mengalami pump sebentar, hanya saja aksi TP membuat pump BNB hari ini terhenti. Jika ini merupakan berita positif, mungkin akan memberikan efek terhadap market, walaupun hanya dalam 1 pekan (mungkin).
Sudah valid informasinya dan twitter Binance sudah mengupdate berita ini namun koreksi tidak bisa dicegah dan ternyata bitcoin drop lumayan drastis sampai turun ke $36600 dari harga $40000. Entah dimaan kejanggalan dan FUD yang terjadi saat Binance membuat good news justru bitcoin memiliki dampak yang lumayan drastis drop harganya. Entah support di $36600 atau Bitcoin masih berpotensi bisa turun lebih drastis lagi dan kembali ke habitat asli menjadi holder sejati disaat moment untuk cut loss terasa berat saat ini dengan presentase kerugian juga cukup lumayan.
2644  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Telegram Meluncurkan wallet Bitcoin dan Ton on: May 05, 2022, 08:28:54 AM
Bisa jadi karena promosi tersebut banyak yang menganggap spam kemudian di-report. Perihal akun di suspend tergantung apakah temporary atau permanent. Kalau sampai permanent atau akun dihapus kemungkinan aset yang kadung disimpan di bot wallet tersebut tidak bisa ditarik, karena seperti diuraikan di OP, wallet tersebut terkait dengan no hp user agar bisa mendapatkan address Bitcoin atau koin lainnya.

Untuk penyimpanan Bitcoin saat ini sudah banyak pilihan wallet-nya, saya sarankan sih gunakan wallet yang sudah punya rekam jejak bagus untuk meminimalisir resiko kehilangan aset, kecuali kalau memang mau jadi early adopter dari wallet baru dengan segala resiko yang ada.
Bener bukan hanya terllau riskan memang sangat berbahaya jika menyimpan asset dengan modal akun telegram saja tanpa bisa back up phrase atau private key nya. Terlepas dengan alasan kenapa akun dibanned saya rasa tidak hanya indikasi spam tetapi ada juga akun tiba2 dibanned dengan sendirinya dan banned secara permanen. Tidak bisa mengakses lagi ke telegram meskipun no hp yang digunakan masih aktif. Bener sekali sangat beresiko simpan asset via wallet telegram lebih baik cara jejak rekam lebih aman dan bisa mengakses kapan saja ke wallet kita.
2645  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 04, 2022, 10:48:05 PM
Betis - Barcelona is a very challenging game for each team here. Betis need a win desperately as they want to get in front of Atletico Madrid in the standings. They wasted a huge chance against Getafe and now their job is even harder in this game. Barcelona would fight until the last moment for sure. Betis will need to make a greater effort in this game to increase their chance of winning this game. As for my opinion, this game would end up with a draw.
Second chance for Real Betis if want play on Champion League next season and have chance could finish on 4th place, I don't think Manuel Pellegrini as Real Betis head coach want waste this chance, as advantage with home match actually have chance for Real Betis can get one place spot for champion league next season. Left 3 points from Atletico Madrid still effective for Real Betis reach 4th standing place but need win on 4 match left although looks not easy against from Barcelona until Real Madrid.
2646  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Recomendasi Bounty manager tahun 2022 ? on: May 04, 2022, 10:34:54 PM
Tim citizen hanya membayar 30% dari jatah yang sebenarnya yang harus di bayarkan. padahal project Citizen pada saat itu lagi naik daun karena harga token Cifi naik sangat dratis kala itu. Entah kenapa tim tiba tiba tidak mau membayar hak peserta bounty serta membuang token ke pasar untuk melakukan dump besar .
Setelah jamannya ICO jarang proyek yang mendistribusikan 100% token kepada bounty hunter karena kenaikan harga yang sangat tinggi, jadi tim memutusukan untuk mendistibusikan secara bertahap untuk menjaga kestabilan harga tetapi tentunya keputusan itu sulit untuk diterima karena tidak termasuk perjanjian awal distribusi saat bounty masih berjalan.
Pas zaman ICO lagi booming bisa distribusi full untuk bounty karena mereka punya roadmap yang cukup bagus, namun berbeda setelah bounty selesai langsung melakukan distribusi dan selang beberapa hari atau satu hingga dua minggu kemudian koin baru listing di market. Hal ini tidak terlalu riskan dan memberatkan para tim internal karena koin distribusi sebelum memiliki harga. Berbeda dengan sekarang saat bounty hampir selesai dan koin listing di market namun tiba - tiba harga naik proses distribusi dipersulit bahkan sampai beberapa bounty alokasi pembayaran peserta bounty dipangkas dengan jumlah yang cukup besar.
2647  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 04, 2022, 07:04:04 PM
Inter and Milan are going to have quite comfortable games this week. In fact, Milan are going to play a more difficult game against Verona away. Verona are still a team that have a chance for qualifying for a tournament next season. They would play focusedly against Milan surely. But I still believe that Milan would be the winner of this game. And I don't expect Inter to have any problem against Empoli in their home game.
Not any change with position standing on next matchday I think between Milan and Inter face easy team, Milan will away to Verona and I think no doubt with 3 point and Inter actually sure keep getting 3 points too. But I want to see have competitive match because both team not easy when getting 3 points last match, AC Milan almost need 80th minutes before scoring 1 goals to Fiorentina and inter Milan faced the same difficulties against with Udinese and match result 1-2. Now they will focus on next match which one team will drop on next week between Milan or Inter.
2648  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 04, 2022, 06:56:39 PM
The remaining matches of the season will be decisive for Real Betis to be able to keep a ticket to the Champions League next season, as long as they are able to maintain a consistent game and win a full victory, while Atletico Madrid are slightly comfortable with a 3 point difference, but if they lose the next match then only the remaining number of matches will remain. the goal that determines the position in the standings, it is indeed very difficult to make predictions, but in terms of the abilities possessed by Atletico Madrid players, they are more likely to keep one ticket to the champions league this season
Real Betis left 2 points from Atletico Madrid but still chance can finish on champion league spot standing depend next matchday have Madrid derby between Atletico vs Real Madrid. Possibility if Real Madrid success defeat Atletico will give chance for Betis back to 4th standing place but need with 3 match left Real Betis should winning perfectly and earn 9 points. Atletico Madrid have heavy team after Real Madrid match they have face with Sevilla and give lucky for Real Betis but still not easy with match left against Barcelona, Madrid and Granada and Valencia.
2649  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Telegram Meluncurkan wallet Bitcoin dan Ton on: May 04, 2022, 06:25:20 PM
Khusus untuk koin TON kayaknya sudah lama meluncurkan wallet via telegram dan waktu itu pernah ikut di campaign koin TON dan bisa langsung menjual koin via telegram. Namun saya kurang sedikit update sampai sejauh ini apakah masih bertahan dengan penggunaan wallet TON via telegram atau tidak. Cuman agak sedikit riskan dengan menghubungkan dompet kita langsung via telegram soalnya ada beberapa teman yang aktif mempromosi link di telegram akunnya di suspend, entah jika akun telegram terkena suspend masih ada kesempatan untuk menarik kembali saldo kita atau tidak.
2650  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 03, 2022, 10:21:45 PM
Seberapapun akurat teknik dan analisa yang digunakan tetap saja tidak ada jaminan dengan profit 100% apalagi dengan ada whales tiba2 yang mempengaruhi harga. Karena kebanyakan trader lebih dominan dalam hal scalping dengan profit 2% hingga 5% sekali trade otomatis mereka akan sedikit keberatan dengan fee pajak, cuman sedikit berbeda dengan indodax fee yg digunakan bagi yg melakukan beli atau jual koin secara instan. Namun dengan opsi adanya Binance dan withdraw via BIDR ke Tokocrypto lebih hemat fee.
2651  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 03, 2022, 10:16:44 PM
Milan has struggled to snatch first place from Inter Milan, Inter Milan's defeat of Bologna opened up opportunities for Milan to move up to first position. Milan has been in front of Inter, the scudetto is almost achieved by Milan. To ensure themselves as champions, Milan must win the remaining three matches, Milan must focus on the goal, whoever the opponent must be defeated. Because if Milan makes a mistake in just one game, Inter Milan can take the opportunity to get the Scudetto.
Now maybe there is something good that they have to maintain but the inconsistency of Milan at the moment is enough to make me unable to think clearly because it is like deja vu for some of the big teams here like Milan, Inter and Napoli.
They had the chance to take the lead more than once but they just kept failing to hold on to their position and wasting chances
Napoli ever have chance lead Serie A but inconsistent performance make them drop until 3rd position standing, Almost have second chance for leading Seria standing position but always fail and right now have to see AC Milan lead standing position. Still rememver when Milan and Inter have bad performance and ever Napoli reach 1st position place, but few days only after inconsistent performance and give chance for Milan lead Serie A and close chance as the champion this season.
2652  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 03, 2022, 10:05:51 AM
Ac Milan seems to be doing well under pressure so far. They have two points but still with Inter behind with 2 points things still can go out of hand. Ac Milan have their next fixtures against Verona, Atalanta and Sassuolo so decent fixtures and Atalanta one seems to be a tough one and for Inter it doesn't seems difficult. If they play with the same intensity then I think theh will easily defend the 2 points cushion on the table. Just a drop of points in one match and they will lose the position on the table.
Yes AC Milan are in the best position on paper, their fate is in their own hands. If they can maximize it, they will easily win the Scudetto this season. However, Inter Milan are now in a bad situation, dropping such an important point. The odds turned against them but the problem is that we don't know what will happen to this team, as they also get unpredictable results sometimes when they are favourites.
AC Millan success pass hard match with 3 points against Fiorentina and I think looks have close step with scudetto trophy in this season, but not be glad early for Milan fans because on 3 match left still waiting by Verona, Atalanta and Sassuolo. Last two team I don't think easy for AC Milan success get full points, but winning on two match again will guarantee Milan get trophy in this season after more than last ten years without get Serie A trophy. Keep focusing on next match with Verona and Atalanta because 6 points added will give trophy for Milan in this season.
2653  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 03, 2022, 09:37:06 AM
Masih ada cara untuk menghindari membayar pajak namun ini bukan anjuran yang positif mengingat sebuah kutipan "sebagai warna negara yang baik adalah mereka yang taat membayar pajak". Cara paling effektif yaitu trading di Binance dan saat melakukan penarikan trade dulu asset USDT atau BUSD ke BIDR.

Untuk saldo BIDR langsung bisa di withdraw ke akun Tokocrypto dan melakukan penarikan ke rekening Bank, kita hanya dikenakan pajak dari penarikan BIDR saja karena tidak ada transaksi trade atau jual beli di aku Tokocrypto. Saya rasa ini jauh lebih bagus dibandingkan jika melakukan trading di market lokal dan kita harus bayar fee untuk setiap kali trade dengan nominal yang lumayan saya rasa.
2654  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 03, 2022, 09:29:23 AM
I think so too, Real Madrid do not care about Rivalry anymore, they have to put Priority first. La Liga has belonged to Real Madrid, the game at home to Atletico Madrid means nothing to Real Madrid, Real Madrid priority is on the second leg of the Champions League. Santiago Bernabeu will have a strong visitor to face Real Madrid, they must be able to get rid of Manchester City to step into the UCL final, as well as open up opportunities for their second trophy.
I think Real Madrid not care about how rivalry with Atletico Madrid on next match derby after locking La Liga trophy last week and will try play with second player composition on Madrid derby, but still depending with second leg on champion league match against with Manchester City. Depend Real Madrid success lock final position on champion league have ability play with second player composition and most focus against on final of champion league, but if bad result and eliminated by Manchester City I think Real Madrid want give the best on Madrid derby against with Atletico Madrid next match.
2655  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 01, 2022, 02:42:09 AM
Ancelotti is a really amazing manager and his contribution to this championship was enormous indeed. Compared to last season, we have had a far more different Real Madrid in this one. They have had a great game strategy for each one of their league games. And Ancelotti's game plan helped the team dominate this season. But I think the biggest role in this championship belongs to Benzema. He has been like a goal machine until this point and he scored one goal today also. So far in the league, he has scored 26 goals and made 11 assists. This is just incredible!

Benzema is having a phenomenal season whether it be CL or LaLiga. He is leading Madrid and is also performing for the club as well. Lot of achievements for Benzema and if I am not wrong 26 goals is the highest goals he scored for the club in a LaLiga season and the season is yet to finish. He has scored total of 42 goals till now for the club.

True, Real Madrid's success in winning the Spanish League this season cannot be separated from the role of the mainstay player, Karim Benzema. He also played a big role in the match against Espanyol that determined Real Madrid to win this year's title.
Karim Benzema contributed a goal in the Real Madrid goal party against Espanyol. He scored in the 80th minute. Karim Benzema's chances of getting his first Ballon d'Or are also wide open if you refer to the new rules and the performance shown so far.
Karim Benzema as important player for Real Madrid in this season and La Liga trophy achievement I think contribution from him. Karim Benzema become top scorer in La Liga by creating 26 goals ao far and lead 11 top assits right now. I think no doubt giving Ballon D'or for Karim Benzema with contributing for Real Madris and I hope after La Liga trophy can get Champion League trophy again to make Barcelna fans most crying  Grin
2656  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 01, 2022, 02:37:26 AM
Sebenarnya itu hanya "angan-angan" pemerintah karena sudah pasti tidak akan berjalan efektif karena exchange luar tidak memiliki relasi dengan pemerintah, jadi tekanan pajak dari pemerintah kepada exchange luar pasti akan di tolak walaupun hanya sebatas permintaan riwayat transaksi saja supaya bisa mengkalkulasikan pajak, jika itu di lakukan juga berarti makin ngotot nih buat sikat pajak kepada rakyatnya sendiri.
Tentunya exchange di luar itu akan banyak sekali dan akan ekstra bagi pemerintah kalaupun tetap 'maksa' meminta exchange-exchange tersebut menjadi pemungut pajak user-nya yang dari Indonesia. Kalaupun mereka ada yang bersedia, saya kurang yakin jika ada yang melakukannya dengan 'gratis'.

Btw, sekarang sudah tgl. 1 Mei 2022, apa ada teman-teman yang sudah bertransaksi di exchange dengan tambahan pajak ini?
Saya sendiri baru sebatas meng-update beberapa aplikasi exchange di Andorid dan belum mengeksplor lebih lanjut terkait perubahan kebijakan tersebut.
Sudah effektif penerapan pajak, semalam ada teman FB yang ngeshare potongan pajak yang harus dibayar 580k lebih, entah berapa jumlah transaksinya dia namun kelihatannya cukup besar dilihat dari caption yang dia buat. Keputusan telah ditetapkan sangat sulit untuk dirubah lagi malah jika pendapatan pajak dari cryptocurrency berjalan dengan lancar bakal ada kemungkinan dinaikkan lagi, mengingat negara akhir - akhir ini butuh penfapatan yang cukup besar untuk biaya IKN dan membayar hutang.
2657  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: April 30, 2022, 09:57:44 AM
Real Madrid against Espanyol today the league leaders need just a point to clinch the tittle with some few games to go. A league won today might boost Madrid's confidence into the UCL semi final on Wednesday. It has been a remarkable season for players like Benzema, Vinicius and also Courtois. Not excluding the manager Don Carlos Ancelotti, who I think is the most underrated manager of this era. Another achievement as Benzema is set to win his first Pichichi price aged 34. Congratulations in advance to all Real Madrid supporters
Even if Madrid decides to draw the remaining matched they have left they title is already theirs as they are 14 points ahead of Sevilla and Barcelona. Espanyol should just struggle for a win taking advantage of the fact Real Madrid will want to focus more on winning the second leg of the championships league semi final against Manchester city. Benzema has proven to a substantial player in Madrid and one that cannot be done without in important matches. The 34 year old legend is deserving of the pichichi price having the highest goal in the Spanish league
Between Real Madrid and Sevilla gap 14 points and 1 points added by Real Madrid tonight have been over with La Liga trophy back to Madrid again after last year Atletico Madrid as the champion of La Liga. If Real Madrid can held draw match against with Espanyol left 15 points can reach by Sevilla or Barcelona with 4 match left and maximum reach only 12 points. Good performance from Real Madrid can lock La Liga trophy before 4 match left and although ever drop after defeating by Barcelona on second half match but still give good mentality for Real Madrid back to the top performance.
2658  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: April 30, 2022, 09:22:02 AM
btw, barusan saya dapat info dari Tokopedia terkait mekanisme penerapan pajak transaksi aset kripto ini, lebih kurang seperti berikut:

☑️PPn dan PPh (sebesar 0,21%) akan diterapkan per 1 Mei 2022 dan digabungkan dengan biaya trading fee, sehingga total pemotongan menjadi 0,31% (trading fee 0,1% ditambahkan dengan PPn & PPh sebesar 0,21%).

☑️Penggabungan pemotongan ini dilakukan sementara agar implementasi dapat dilaksanakan tepat waktu sejak sosialisasi dimulai, dimana pedagang aset kripto dihimbau untuk menerapkan pajak dimulai tanggal 1 Mei 2022. -snip-

Kemungkinan beberapa waktu kedepan akan ada update terkait penambahan fitur yang berhubungan dengan pajak transaksi kripto ini.
Kalau jumlah final fee trading sebesar 0.31% otomatis jika digabungkan saat jual dan beli menjadi 0.62% dan termasuk jumlah yang cukup besar, ini ada kemungkinan bakal kena fee lagi saat melakukan penarikan atau tidak? jika diberatkan lagi saat penarikan bisa saja hampir mencapai 1% dan jumlah yang agak sedikit berat jika scalping trade dan minimal harus memiliki keuntungan 2%. Namun jika stop loss minimal harus menambah 1% untuk pajak jadi bisa menentukan harga turun berapa persen untuk melakukan stop loss.

Namun lebih effektif menunggu besok bulan Mei bagaimana sistem penerapan pajak saat trade di Tokocrypto dan juga beberap market lokal lainnya, dan saat belum ada perubahan fee transaksi penarikan ke rekening dan belum bisa dipastikan apakah akan dikenakan pajak saat melakukan penarikan ke rekening atau tidak.
2659  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: April 30, 2022, 02:22:05 AM
Ane pasrah aja deh bagaimana Menterinya membuat aturan meski sebenarnya dipihak ane masih merasa keberatan. Tapi bagaimanapun ane harap semua pajak yang terkumpul dari suatu exchange yang nantinya disalurkan ke pemerintah harus tetap transparan untuk diketahui oleh semua pelanggan karena hanya dengan itu kita dapat tahu berapa jumlah keuntungan pemerintah tiap tahunnya dari pajak trading crypto pengguna Indonesia.
Kita masyarakat tidak ada pilihan lain selain hanya pasrah meskipun tetap menolak dengan kebijakan pajak tetapi keputusan dari kementrian keuangan jauh lebih berpengaruh dengan penolakan dari beberapa member crypto. Untuk transparansi dari pemungutan pajak saya rasa agak sedikit riskan karena selama ini banyak terdapat kasus pejabat pemerintah di bagian perpajakan sering terkena kasus dan ini menjadi sedikit ragu bagi kita saat harus membayar pajak tanpa ada kejelasan manfaat dan keuntungan yang akan kita dapatkan, misalnya masih banyak situs cryptocurrency yang diblokir di IP negara kita.
2660  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: April 30, 2022, 01:58:38 AM
With only 4 games left, we can have some combination this week with all the 4 spots for the next Champions League already locked. If Juventus will win their game and Roma will not they will have enough points for a mathematical 4th place.
I think with the remaining matches we will see that the combination of 1 and 2 becomes competitive to see from all the remaining matches, whether Milan or Inter are champions even though the difference of two points for me is still crucial for both of them. Champions league tickets have been locked, Juventus and Napoli are confirmed to have qualified, Rome will not be able to catch up and only the European league they have achieved.
Juve vs Spezia was too easy to win for the home team.
It all depends on what results Juventus and Roma will show in this round.  If Juventus loses and Roma wins, then the fight for the 4th place in the championship will escalate again. Although it is hard to believe, but the current championship should already teach everyone that leaders are not sinless and can lose points in fairly harmless situations.
I think AS Roma chance finish on 4th standing place have over left 8 points is not enough with 4 match left, although still have little possibility I think Juventus just need one match win or draw have been enough close 4th position standing. How ever Juventus still have chance can finish on 3rd position place because have 1 points left with Napoli. I think Juventus never want participant on UEFA Champion League with play off round and try to group stage automatically by finish on 3rd standing position. Napoli have bad several match result and become advantage for Juventus can finish on 3rd place.
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