Announcement from Caanan concerning the A8 821Annoucement
Yesterday in Hangzhou we announced our Avalon 821, and laid out the roadmap for the 841, 861, 921 and Avalon 10 series.
Avalon 741 is end of life: the last batch is being produced and is promised to customers/distributors who will receiving their final shipments shortly.
Avalon 761, our solution with integrated PSU is likewise End of Life. The last batch is being built and will ship out in early Jan.
821: The Avalon 821 will ship at 11 TH (terahash) and 1200 Watts for a power efficiency of 109Watts per TH, a great improvement over the 741 which was rated at 150 Watts/TH.
841: the Avalon 841 will ship at 13TH and 1200 Watts for a power efficiency of 92 Watts/TH. I expect this to be a Q2 Product.
It's too early to talk about the 861 (integrated PSU), the 921 and 10 series, but 2018 promises to be a great year.
821 Prices: We have not yet settled on price for 821, but it will be driven by market forces and the price of Bitcoin. Demand for product is more than 10X of the supply and the pricing in the spot market clearly reflects this. As well, the price of BTC has drawn in many new customers. As soon as I have pricing I will communicate it to you. Please do not ask for it, we will tell everyone at the same time.
Ship dates: After we finish the last 741 and 761, the 821 will go into production in January. I wish I had exact dates, but as of today I only have estimates. We should be able to ship to a small number of customers in late January. We will contact the customers who have been selected for January shipment, so please be patient.
In February and March volumes will increase, but be advised that February has Chinese New Year and we will shut down between the 14th and the 23rd.
Distributors: We are no longer accepting applications for resellers. Given the constraints in supply, we will only add a small number of new distributors. Hopefully in Q2 we will be able to open up the opportunity. If you have signed up, we will be going over our list and making our selections.
New Forecast: When I have pricing I will be asking everyone to do a new forecast based on the pricing. A forecast is your estimate of how many machines you will order. Do not simply put down a large number to get my attention. We select customers both large and small and if you do not order what you forecast your entire order will be cancelled.
So capabilities outlined but no prices yet. Looks to be an interesting 2018. That is great news. Batter up, looks like they are going to hit a few Homeruns. The only question is, Do I keep the S9's or "SELL" them on Ebay for a Profit at 5K each as I replace them with 8 Series miners from Canaan. I am digging it. MINE ON WITH KANO-SAN!! I was thinking the same thing...... Funny. I have 4 more s9's coming in January, and I think they can sell at a real good premium being new. Depending on availability of the 841, might be a smart move, ie FREE miners! with pocket change |
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Is this because you send the transaction with a 0 fee payable and then confirm it ourselves with the next block we find, unless someone else adds it to their block and makes no fee from it?
Bingo I like this... But how much is actually saved in fees? is it worth the wait? I do recall a free transaction accelerator, but it obviously needs the transaction ID, which I do not know, and I don't think its listed on the website anywhere. Be neat to try it and see if it actually works. Found one: https://www.toxigon.com/free-bitcoin-tx-accelerator/ |
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Another noob question.
I just joined the pool 2 days ago before block 500096.
I have a tiny payment of 0.00073755
I haven't seen it appear in my wallet. Is this normal?
I see the block is now Mature.
I just want to make sure my payments are set up right before the next block.
As long as you had an address before we found the block, and your reward wasn't dust, there's an unconfirmed transaction for the reward amount. If you can see it or not, depends on your wallet. Once it gets it's first confirm (some time between now and our next block) you'll certainly see it in your wallet. Is this because you send the transaction with a 0 fee payable and then confirm it ourselves with the next block we find, unless someone else adds it to their block and makes no fee from it? |
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Now that wasn't so hard to understand. but it does explain the rest like the red on the shifts graph, and the weird names given to the list of shifts ( A B C D E... with odd names instead of letters. )
Those weird (odd) names given to the list of shifts are the names of anime characters...Kano is a huge anime fan for those who didn't know  Awww man, there has got to be a FAQ Section to cover that! or at least a note on that page that explains that. You see, as a new user, there is a whole bunch of info, and when you see 'odd' names that are not referenced anywhere, it makes you wonder. It was only after I saw it repeats that I realized that those are labels for the shifts and the data is for MY contribution. I originally thought it was other miners names listed in the shifts table and that everyone saw the same data on the shift table. So because I am a bit slow, I was confused. I looked for the pattern of the repeating names, with another unique Hex character set and figured it out. But there has to be a FAQ for some of these things, or just an information bubble when you hover the mouse over it that explains some of these " non bitcoin " |
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So, what's the 5Nd value?
The current Bitcoin network value for Nd is 1,873,105,475,221.6 and thus 5Nd is 9,365,527,376,108.0
Yes 5Nd is a mathematical expression which is (5 X Network difficulty). That is how long shifts are open. That way it is extremely unlikely that a share will go through the entire 5Nd and not get paid, possible but unlikely. I guess my brain cannot connect the terms used like " This is how long shifts are open" 9,365,527,376,108 ? WHat? Seconds, Hours minutes? The reference everyone makes is to "time" on how long they are open, but I cannot seem to make this compute in my head. so 9,365,527,376,108 is not seconds or minutes. Is it 9,365,527,376,108 shares? I know how the number itself is derived ie 5 x Network difficulty, But what units is it? Shares seems to be the only reasonable unit this can be. Uh, yes, it's shares. Current difficulty is the number of shares it takes to find a block at 100% Luck. THANK YOU! This CLEARS the mud. I get it now. each time a block is found, the pool calculates the percentage of shares I submitted of the last 9,365,527,376,108 before the block was found. This "window" of shares moves as time goes forward. So Here is a dumb scenario question. Say I have been mining for2 days, then 5 blocks are found one right after the other, in one day or two. The total shares needed to find the blocks was 5,365,527,376,108. Exactly 4,000,000,000,000 less than 5nD. This would mean that my percentage of those blocks is low because I would have only .03% of 5,365,527,376,108 thus the payout was small too. If I was already mining for a while ( Past the ramp up period ) and I would have more than .03% of the full 5nd - 9,365,527,376,108 because I have been mining 100% of the time, thus payout would be bigger. The only part about this that has a good and bad is if you get a FAT block with a low percentage of shares from myself, and if the next one is a higher percentage of submitted shares on a "skinny" block. Now that wasn't so hard to understand. but it does explain the rest like the red on the shifts graph, and the weird names given to the list of shifts ( A B C D E... with odd names instead of letters. ) I have now officially become an expert! I can see why this works to stop pool hopping, which could kill the pool if people moved a lot of hashing power on and off the pool and if the payouts were done at once when a block was found. Kano is so smart! I know this because it took me an entire day to untangle the math equations :-) ahah |
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Hey
I hate it when i get to see most of the blocks been mined by Chinese pools, we need to team up and bring more hash rate and start cracking them blocks too. Come on guys bring those miners to Kano and let's show them what we can do.
We have to recruit help. You have a sig. Use it!  Since that other big pool's thread is abandoned by the owner, maybe we can get some help there? M Never Fear - Gopher is here! I ordered another 4 s9's for delivery Jan 21-30. It wont make much of a dent, but its a start. SO I will have 5 total then * Bonus - Extra warm house! |
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Previous ramp post of mine back when the ramp was 3 days: ... How it actually works, as opposed to how you see a 'ramp', is that your payouts are simply spread out over 5ND which is currently about 3 days. You get paid for each share you submit, over the 3 days after you submit the share. What this does is reduce the variance in your payouts. Something like this if you think of it as submitting a share (s) each block: s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
If you consider the + to be the reward points when we find a block, the 5ND is simply the time it takes for the overlap of all '5' shares Of course you keep submitting shares, so the gap appearing at the bottom doesn't begin until you stop mining e.g.: s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+s----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
The height/number of '+'s is the relative reward. My simplified explanation was almost correct, but Kano's explanation is actually correct Why does no one answer this aspect.. What is 5Nd is 9,365,527,376,108.0 How does it relate to "time" as everyone refers to it as. I get it is 5x the current difficulty, but What does it represent. I understand that the payout is shifted over the 5 blocks for the current found block. Maybe I am thinking this is more complicated than what it is... Is it safe to say that if a block is found 1 per day at the exact same hour and minute, that the first block found is all paid out on the 5th day ( when the 5th block is found) and the day 2 block has only had 4 pays, and the third block found on the third day has 3 paid out? ***** And the variance comes in if the number of days is different between blocks say 2 then 3 or 7 days between each block but all different.? Still does not explain what the 9,365,527,376,108.0 number is. I know its referred to as 5nd, but what Units? How does the number itself relate to the way its calculated, or is everyone saying things like " oh 16 day 5nd is a very long time" and just meaning, Man that took 16 days to find 5 blocks ? |
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So my site has been grabbing 5 minute detailed info for a few pools in my upcoming minergain site but dont have the info live yet. Eventually this data can use your real miner data to do "what if scenarios - even though luck is luck". So all this got me wondering so I thought I would share some real comparison info... So if you were with slush for December, here would be your btc per Th that your miners submitted....
Total: 0.003702629 per Th/s.
So if you have an S9 like me with 13.5Th/s, that is .0499854915 BTC for the month (assuming fully "vested" in the PPNLS). As I have mentioned before, the 5 blocks found on Kano (even with the current 8 day delay) is .04509834. If we got another block today, it would be roughly .054 BTC for the month. And if we picked off another one tomorrow, it would be roughly .063 BTC. So yes, there is a little more gambling here, but the potential upside is way more than the sites that give lots of blocks per day... And isn't that really why we are all in this "business" - gambling? That is exactly why I moved to Kano from Slush after just one month with them... I can afford a little electricity if needed, but with that said, my full power bill was paid by the 3rd of this month... I also purchase coins on the exchanges, and this is a much smaller investment per BTC - just slower. Anyway, just to give a little perspective for the newbies (me included).
So this block officially puts me at .05392541 for the month with one S9 (.00399447 per Th) which is .0002104 BTC / day / Th. That pushes Kano ahead of slush for the month by 7.31% and gives us around 4.5 days breathing room - meaning that if we find another block before 5 days we push the gain even further. Mine on and congrats koelby. When you say " For the Month" are you meaning December 1 til now or for the last 30 days? |
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So, what's the 5Nd value?
The current Bitcoin network value for Nd is 1,873,105,475,221.6 and thus 5Nd is 9,365,527,376,108.0
Yes 5Nd is a mathematical expression which is (5 X Network difficulty). That is how long shifts are open. That way it is extremely unlikely that a share will go through the entire 5Nd and not get paid, possible but unlikely. I guess my brain cannot connect the terms used like " This is how long shifts are open" 9,365,527,376,108 ? WHat? Seconds, Hours minutes? The reference everyone makes is to "time" on how long they are open, but I cannot seem to make this compute in my head. so 9,365,527,376,108 is not seconds or minutes. Is it 9,365,527,376,108 shares? I know how the number itself is derived ie 5 x Network difficulty, But what units is it? Shares seems to be the only reasonable unit this can be. |
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This is not what we are asking. We received a payment, or waiting for the 101 confirmations. If we continue to mine until the next block is found 100% of the time, will we be paid the same as today for this block today
If you have not yet reached your 5Nd, which means have shares in ALL open shifts, then the next block you should be closer to populating shares in more shifts so your next payout should be larger. When you have all open shifts populated with shares and maintain that level you will get full payouts which should be roughly equal to and maybe higher than Pay Per Share, depending on luck. When you stop mining you continue to receive payouts when a block is found on the ramp down until all open shifts are empty. Is this " So, what's the 5Nd value? The current Bitcoin network value for Nd is 1,873,105,475,221.6 and thus 5Nd is 9,365,527,376,108.0 The pool hash rate for the last day is roughly 28.33PHs which means the 5Nd 'ramp' is roughly 16days 10hrs This is updated obviously, So are these numbers, SPECIFICALLY the 16 days 10 hours is specific to ME because I have my 1 S9 at that is how long it will take to Hash 9,365,527,376,108.0 hashes? So if I had double the hash power, that would change to about 8 days 5 hours? So If I Get this right.... my percentage of contributions to this was that .03% of what the entire pool did up until the point in which the block was found? My Head hurts. I'm going to sleep. Maybe I will figure it out as I sleep.. |
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I’m still new but this is how I think you can estimate your fully ramped daily payout from this payout assuming we average 100% luck going forward, which is a block every 3.3 days.
(Payout this block)*(16.5)/(days you’ve mined in the past 16.5 days)/3.3
Make sure you count your days mined as exact as possible through to when this last block was found last night.
Caveat, I am not sure if this formula works if this has been your second or more block since starting here, but I think it would.
This is your payout will be after mining 16.5 days. The difference between what you got and your calculated max you will eventually get later when you stop mining here. But just don’t stop.
We understand that if you didn't mine from immediately after a block was found that you only get a portion for the time that was actually mined, Ie, 9 of the 16.5 days or whatever it is. This is not what we are asking. We received a payment, or waiting for the 101 confirmations. If we continue to mine until the next block is found 100% of the time, will we be paid the same as today for this block today, on the next block find PLUS whatever the payout will be for that second block, IE are we getting only 20 % now of this block rewarded today, and then when 5 blocks are found and we mined for the entire duration as those 5 were found, we would be getting paid the last 1/5 of this block today, when the 5th block has been found. That's all we ask, I get it that better than 100% luck or less will affect it a little bit. Please If you can explain it without bringing up some other calculation like the amount of days mined and a way to figure it out, then don't. The math and explanation should be really simple, its just when its not being explained in a clear concise way, it confuses people more. That is why so many people are asking, but the last bunch of posts have been more confusing than the HELP > Payouts page :-) |
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I hate to beat the dead horse... But I am wondering when I see this line
BLOCK BLOCK UTC MINER REWARD N DIFF N RANGE POOL N AVG YOUR % YOUR N DIFF YOUR N AVG YOUR BTC
500096 19/Dec 08:02 16.86483522 9.379T 431hr 40m 3s 25.92PHs 0.03% 2.411G 6.66THs 0.00433448
So I see that .00433448 as a payment in the payments.
When I do the math .03% (.0003 x 16.71305170302) I get 0.005013915510906 ( the 16.71305170302 was after the .9% for Kano)
So I have two questions, 1. Why is my math different? 2. If this is my payment for this block after it is confirmed for this time, am I to expect the same amount 4 more times as payments included with then next found blocks ( Hopefully 1 more today! :-)
ie, a total of 5x .00433448 = .0216724 ? Still wonder why I get the slightly higher amount when I do the math.
I know its been asked a million times but I have never seen a real word example, and hopefully someone else can benefit when its shown with real numbers.
FYI This was with 1 S9 14TH/s from Sunday Dec 10 until Dec 19 When this block was found.
Thanks!
If I'm not mistaken, the YOUR % number in the rewards page is roundup, the actual number should be lower. That's why you are getting a slighty higher amount in your calculation. Ahh The good ol Excel issue where it didn't have enough decimal positions so it rounded. So its like .029?  ? something I guess. Ok, Maybe Kano could add another couple decimal places in that field? I am still confused about the 5Nd thing, I read it I understand it, but I cant comprehend it I guess. Best I can figure is that I will get a total of 5 payments like the one I will get today, and only when the next block is found I get another 1/5 of this first block reward... Or did I miss it all together. I can see why people shy away from this :-) I was never good at math... I just know how to plug in the S9 and configure it.... then wait for the Cha-ching! |
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I hate to beat the dead horse... But I am wondering when I see this line
BLOCK BLOCK UTC MINER REWARD N DIFF N RANGE POOL N AVG YOUR % YOUR N DIFF YOUR N AVG YOUR BTC
500096 19/Dec 08:02 16.86483522 9.379T 431hr 40m 3s 25.92PHs 0.03% 2.411G 6.66THs 0.00433448
So I see that .00433448 as a payment in the payments.
When I do the math .03% (.0003 x 16.71305170302) I get 0.005013915510906 ( the 16.71305170302 was after the .9% for Kano)
So I have two questions, 1. Why is my math different? 2. If this is my payment for this block after it is confirmed for this time, am I to expect the same amount 4 more times as payments included with then next found blocks ( Hopefully 1 more today! :-)
ie, a total of 5x .00433448 = .0216724 ? Still wonder why I get the slightly higher amount when I do the math.
I know its been asked a million times but I have never seen a real word example, and hopefully someone else can benefit when its shown with real numbers.
FYI This was with 1 S9 14TH/s from Sunday Dec 10 until Dec 19 When this block was found.
Thanks!
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You said "touch wood"... But seriously, you noobs got to settle the F down. This is BY FAR the best pool to mine on not just for the txn fees but the fact that kano-san himself, one of the guys who literally wrote the book on mining software for both the mining side and server side that keeps the OG BTC alive, runs this pool and lets us all know if anything is going on asap. As Sonny points out, if Kano-sama isn't telling us somthing's up with the pool, then NOTHING IS. End of story. Keep calm and mine on.  ahahah I had a good laugh. Get angry.. its just discussion. |
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I can't afford that.  I hope we do go much longer without any. So my site has been grabbing 5 minute detailed info for a few pools in my upcoming minergain site but dont have the info live yet. Eventually this data can use your real miner data to do "what if scenarios - even though luck is luck". So all this got me wondering so I thought I would share some real comparison info... So if you were with slush for December, here would be your btc per Th that your miners submitted.... After the date is the number of blocks found and the next column is the BTC / TH for that day. It fully takes into account the hash rate for every block and the 2% that they take. Dec 1 17 0.00020415 Dec 2 21 0.000246807 Dec 3 21 0.000235327 Dec 4 12 0.000137415 Dec 5 21 0.000230983 Dec 6 15 0.00016493 Dec 7 23 0.000274498 Dec 8 18 0.000217576 Dec 9 12 0.000141403 Dec 10 26 0.000282076 Dec 11 23 0.000254072 Dec 12 13 0.000146673 Dec 13 16 0.000173655 Dec 14 20 0.000201528 Dec 15 18 0.000200334 Dec 16 13 0.000139204 Dec 17 23 0.000244415 Dec 18 20 0.000207583 Total: 0.003702629 per Th/s. So if you have an S9 like me with 13.5Th/s, that is .0499854915 BTC for the month (assuming fully "vested" in the PPNLS). As I have mentioned before, the 5 blocks found on Kano (even with the current 8 day delay) is .04509834. If we got another block today, it would be roughly .054 BTC for the month. And if we picked off another one tomorrow, it would be roughly .063 BTC. So yes, there is a little more gambling here, but the potential upside is way more than the sites that give lots of blocks per day... And isn't that really why we are all in this "business" - gambling? That is exactly why I moved to Kano from Slush after just one month with them... I can afford a little electricity if needed, but with that said, my full power bill was paid by the 3rd of this month... I also purchase coins on the exchanges, and this is a much smaller investment per BTC - just slower. Anyway, just to give a little perspective for the newbies (me included). I didn't dispute that kano had better upside with the way this is set up. I was just thinking that there may be a reason other than bad luck that there has been no block found for 9 days now. I was just throwing out an idea that maybe some other DDOS attack or something was happening that we are not aware of. I do not mean on the web server, I mean on the backend ie stratum server or upstream of the node which affects the ability to break open one of them 12.5 Tonne Golden nuggets! |
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Something is not right it's been a week and more and still now no blocks.
I wonder what is going on ?
Even pools with lower hash rate got blocks but not us in this Kano pool, maybe something out there happening.
But we are here mining hoping for the best, pray for the best.
We've seen this before, really hoping this is not another 800-900% block, as that will go to the middle of January at this hash rate. I can't afford that. M Not many of us can. I know it's luck but that won't pay the bills. So we just need to crack this biotch NOW! I was thinking if there is a DDOS attack on the web server, why wouldn't the same people be doing that to the stratum server, OR some other attack where that server connects to, delaying stuff for kano pool? I don't have that much knowledge of how all that back end systems work so I can only speculate. I just find it hard to believe that someone will DDOS a web server that displays data to the users, and NOT? attack the stratum server or some other service/device that will affect the probability of a block. |
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Snap
Crackle
Pop
Crack that block. Shake it like a Polaroid picture.
Beat it like you beat your..... Choke it like it owes you money!!! |
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Just looked at BTC.com and found next difficult level will be increased by 18% in 6 hours. Does it mean the BTC price will go up another 18% Just a question I havent been able to wrap my head around quite yet: If I have been mining at kano from 11.dec until now, will the shifts I produced before this diff increase, get paid according to the diff when they were produced, or with the new diff? Cheers The 5Nd used to determine the reward, is the 5Nd when the block is found. Thus yes any shares in the previous 2 weeks (previous diff change), that get rewarded after a diff change, effectively get devalued when diff increases (... it usually does) This becomes a major issue (major loss) when mining in a small pool that doesn't reward a few times every diff change. Hopefully we wont end up that small also It is a bit bazaar that people mining elsewhere want higher fees though  The reason we have higher variance here is coz people prefer to pay higher fees elsewhere. Oh well, them's the breaks. Damn, this is bad for business! Means the work I put in from 10.dec gets ~18% less reward because we havent found a block since then? Thats about 600$ for me, if Im not mistaken! Unless we find a block within the next 5 hours before the difficulty change. PRAY! |
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website down?
I see that, hopefully this is what happens right before a block is found? then another right after that Website still up, just no data on top |
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