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[2tights]

Wowzers...got busy yesterday and found like four pages of postings here when I got back...

I think I've only got one comment...I've been mining for eight years. I've been to the top of the heap and (thanks to Mt. Gox) the bottom. I've mined Antpoo, Slush, and others for enough time to actually gather realistic numbers. I'm here, and I've been here for over a year. I just paid my hosting bill for Labrador, and have coin left. One block, at today's rates, makes a month's hosting charge for all machines. If one is mining BTC because you actually need it to pay your basic bills, you're barking up the wrong tree and will probably lose your sanity just after your bank balance.

I'm a small miner by the pool's standards, but an equal in its operation, enjoying a transparency proven by experience. That is not the norm for mining pools. If you can't accept the inherent value in that principle, or get tweaked over every variance (ie., luck) episode, then you shouldn't be mining.

You'd do better with trying to card count at the Blackjack table.

Well said Elaine...Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone!

Ditto, Sonny...to all as well, and a Happy Chanukkah...we're all captains on this spaceship. 

Release yourself from the prison that is perception of control, grasshoppa.

[rifleman74]

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Crack that block.   Shake it like a Polaroid picture.

[AerialGopher]

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Crack that block.   Shake it like a Polaroid picture.

Beat it like you beat your.....

Choke it like it owes you money!!!

[rifleman74]

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Crack that block.   Shake it like a Polaroid picture.

Beat it like you beat your.....

Choke it like it owes you money!!!

Easy there Ike.   

[bigGG]

Whilst we wait it out for the next block I thought I would give Kanosan a pledge.

In the 1960 Hollywood movie Spartacus, Kirk Douglas and his battered band of rebel slaves are surrounded by the might of the Roman army. The slaves are told they can all go free if they give up Spartacus. Kirk stands and declares, “I’m Spartacus”. One by one all the slave army stand and also declare “I’m Spartacus”.

Well…I am going to declare, “I’ll be the last miner in the Kano pool”.

(Incidentally in reality, the Romans then crucified all 6000 of them along the Appian Way.)

Please do not make this thread too long or Kano will get cross. Just add your pledge to the bottom of your posts!

[Waztim]

Whilst we wait it out for the next block I thought I would give Kanosan a pledge.

In the 1960 Hollywood movie Spartacus, Kirk Douglas and his battered band of rebel slaves are surrounded by the might of the Roman army. The slaves are told they can all go free if they give up Spartacus. Kirk stands and declares, “I’m Spartacus”. One by one all the slave army stand and also declare “I’m Spartacus”.

Well…I am going to declare, “I’ll be the last miner in the Kano pool”.

(Incidentally in reality, the Romans then crucified all 6000 of them along the Appian Way.)

Please do not make this thread too long or Kano will get cross. Just add your pledge to the bottom of your posts!

I have only just begun to mine!! Make Kano Pool Great Again!! All about da Kano!! Not leaving, I told myself I would give it 6 months then do an analysis, that is exactly what I intend to do.

MINE ON WITH KANO-SAN!!!

[androdeida]

Something is not right it's been a week and more and still now no blocks.
I wonder what is going on ?
Even pools with lower hash rate got blocks but not us in this Kano pool, maybe something out there happening.
But we are here mining hoping for the best, pray for the best.

[rifleman74]

Something is not right it's been a week and more and still now no blocks.
I wonder what is going on ?
Even pools with lower hash rate got blocks but not us in this Kano pool, maybe something out there happening.
But we are here mining hoping for the best, pray for the best.

We've seen this before, really hoping this is not another 800-900% block, as that will go to the middle of January at this hash rate.   

[mdude77]

Something is not right it's been a week and more and still now no blocks.
I wonder what is going on ?
Even pools with lower hash rate got blocks but not us in this Kano pool, maybe something out there happening.
But we are here mining hoping for the best, pray for the best.

We've seen this before, really hoping this is not another 800-900% block, as that will go to the middle of January at this hash rate.   

I can't afford that.

M

[rifleman74]

Something is not right it's been a week and more and still now no blocks.
I wonder what is going on ?
Even pools with lower hash rate got blocks but not us in this Kano pool, maybe something out there happening.
But we are here mining hoping for the best, pray for the best.

We've seen this before, really hoping this is not another 800-900% block, as that will go to the middle of January at this hash rate.   

I can't afford that.

M

Not many of us can.  I know it's luck but that won't pay the bills.  So we just need to crack this biotch NOW!

[AerialGopher]

Something is not right it's been a week and more and still now no blocks.
I wonder what is going on ?
Even pools with lower hash rate got blocks but not us in this Kano pool, maybe something out there happening.
But we are here mining hoping for the best, pray for the best.

We've seen this before, really hoping this is not another 800-900% block, as that will go to the middle of January at this hash rate.   

I can't afford that.

M

Not many of us can.  I know it's luck but that won't pay the bills.  So we just need to crack this biotch NOW!

I was thinking if there is a DDOS attack on the web server, why wouldn't the same people be doing that to the stratum server, OR some other attack where that server connects to, delaying stuff for kano pool?  I don't have that much knowledge of how all that back end systems work so I can only speculate.  I just find it hard to believe that someone will DDOS a web server that displays data to the users, and NOT? attack the stratum server or some other service/device that will affect the probability of a block.

[brad2388]

Something is not right it's been a week and more and still now no blocks.
I wonder what is going on ?
Even pools with lower hash rate got blocks but not us in this Kano pool, maybe something out there happening.
But we are here mining hoping for the best, pray for the best.

We've seen this before, really hoping this is not another 800-900% block, as that will go to the middle of January at this hash rate.   

I can't afford that.

M

Not many of us can.  I know it's luck but that won't pay the bills.  So we just need to crack this biotch NOW!

I was thinking if there is a DDOS attack on the web server, why wouldn't the same people be doing that to the stratum server, OR some other attack where that server connects to, delaying stuff for kano pool?  I don't have that much knowledge of how all that back end systems work so I can only speculate.  I just find it hard to believe that someone will DDOS a web server that displays data to the users, and NOT? attack the stratum server or some other service/device that will affect the probability of a block.

I have wondered the same thing.
I hope we do go mich longer without any.

[VRobb]

You noobs want some cheese with that? 

[clgrissom3]

A little CDF table of block expectation:

Code:

 0.39346934028737   50.000%  1 in 1.6
 0.63212055882856  100.000%  1 in 2.7
 0.77686983985157  150.000%  1 in 4.5
 0.86466471676339  200.000%  1 in 7.4
 0.95021293163214  300.000%  1 in 20.1
 0.98168436111127  400.000%  1 in 54.6
 0.99326205300091  500.000%  1 in 148.4
 0.99752124782333  600.000%  1 in 403.4
 0.99872735771441  666.666%  1 in 785.8
 0.99908811803445  700.000%  1 in 1096.6
 0.99966453737210  800.000%  1 in 2981.0
 0.99987659019591  900.000%  1 in 8103.1

[minergain.com]

I can't afford that.

I hope we do go much longer without any.

So my site has been grabbing 5 minute detailed info for a few pools in my upcoming minergain site but dont have the info live yet.   Eventually this data can use your real miner data to do "what if scenarios - even though luck is luck".  So all this got me wondering so I thought I would share some real comparison info...  So if you were with slush for December, here would be your btc per Th that your miners submitted....  After the date is the number of blocks found and the next column is the BTC / TH for that day.  It fully takes into account the hash rate for every block and the 2% that they take.

Dec 1   17   0.00020415
Dec 2   21   0.000246807
Dec 3   21   0.000235327
Dec 4   12   0.000137415
Dec 5   21   0.000230983
Dec 6   15   0.00016493
Dec 7   23   0.000274498
Dec 8   18   0.000217576
Dec 9   12   0.000141403
Dec 10   26   0.000282076
Dec 11   23   0.000254072
Dec 12   13   0.000146673
Dec 13   16   0.000173655
Dec 14   20   0.000201528
Dec 15   18   0.000200334
Dec 16   13   0.000139204
Dec 17   23   0.000244415
Dec 18   20   0.000207583
      
Total: 0.003702629 per Th/s.  

So if you have an S9 like me with 13.5Th/s, that is .0499854915 BTC for the month (assuming fully "vested" in the PPNLS).  As I have mentioned before, the 5 blocks found on Kano (even with the current 8 day delay) is .04509834.  If we got another block today, it would be roughly .054 BTC for the month.  And if we picked off another one tomorrow, it would be roughly .063 BTC.  So yes, there is a little more gambling here, but the potential upside is way more than the sites that give lots of blocks per day...  And isn't that really why we are all in this "business" - gambling?  That is exactly why I moved to Kano from Slush after just one month with them...  I can afford a little electricity if needed, but with that said, my full power bill was paid by the 3rd of this month...  I also purchase coins on the exchanges, and this is a much smaller investment per BTC - just slower.  Anyway, just to give a little perspective for the newbies (me included).

[Waztim]

I can't afford that.

I hope we do go much longer without any.

So my site has been grabbing 5 minute detailed info for a few pools in my upcoming minergain site but dont have the info live yet.   Eventually this data can use your real miner data to do "what if scenarios - even though luck is luck".  So all this got me wondering so I thought I would share some real comparison info...  So if you were with slush for December, here would be your btc per Th that your miners submitted....  After the date is the number of blocks found and the next column is the BTC / TH for that day.  It fully takes into account the hash rate for every block and the 2% that they take.

Dec 1   17   0.00020415
Dec 2   21   0.000246807
Dec 3   21   0.000235327
Dec 4   12   0.000137415
Dec 5   21   0.000230983
Dec 6   15   0.00016493
Dec 7   23   0.000274498
Dec 8   18   0.000217576
Dec 9   12   0.000141403
Dec 10   26   0.000282076
Dec 11   23   0.000254072
Dec 12   13   0.000146673
Dec 13   16   0.000173655
Dec 14   20   0.000201528
Dec 15   18   0.000200334
Dec 16   13   0.000139204
Dec 17   23   0.000244415
Dec 18   20   0.000207583
      
Total: 0.003702629 per Th/s.  

So if you have an S9 like me with 13.5Th/s, that is .0499854915 BTC for the month (assuming fully "vested" in the PPNLS).  As I have mentioned before, the 5 blocks found on Kano (even with the current 8 day delay) is .04509834.  If we got another block today, it would be roughly .054 BTC for the month.  And if we picked off another one tomorrow, it would be roughly .063 BTC.  So yes, there is a little more gambling here, but the potential upside is way more than the sites that give lots of blocks per day...  And isn't that really why we are all in this "business" - gambling?  That is exactly why I moved to Kano from Slush after just one month with them...  I can afford a little electricity if needed, but with that said, my full power bill was paid by the 3rd of this month...  I also purchase coins on the exchanges, and this is a much smaller investment per BTC - just slower.  Anyway, just to give a little perspective for the newbies (me included).

The data doesn't lie..... and luck is like the weather, just wait a little while, it will change. KANO-SAN MINE ON!!!

[brad2388]

I can't afford that.

I hope we do go much longer without any.

So my site has been grabbing 5 minute detailed info for a few pools in my upcoming minergain site but dont have the info live yet.   Eventually this data can use your real miner data to do "what if scenarios - even though luck is luck".  So all this got me wondering so I thought I would share some real comparison info...  So if you were with slush for December, here would be your btc per Th that your miners submitted....  After the date is the number of blocks found and the next column is the BTC / TH for that day.  It fully takes into account the hash rate for every block and the 2% that they take.

Dec 1   17   0.00020415
Dec 2   21   0.000246807
Dec 3   21   0.000235327
Dec 4   12   0.000137415
Dec 5   21   0.000230983
Dec 6   15   0.00016493
Dec 7   23   0.000274498
Dec 8   18   0.000217576
Dec 9   12   0.000141403
Dec 10   26   0.000282076
Dec 11   23   0.000254072
Dec 12   13   0.000146673
Dec 13   16   0.000173655
Dec 14   20   0.000201528
Dec 15   18   0.000200334
Dec 16   13   0.000139204
Dec 17   23   0.000244415
Dec 18   20   0.000207583
      
Total: 0.003702629 per Th/s.  

So if you have an S9 like me with 13.5Th/s, that is .0499854915 BTC for the month (assuming fully "vested" in the PPNLS).  As I have mentioned before, the 5 blocks found on Kano (even with the current 8 day delay) is .04509834.  If we got another block today, it would be roughly .054 BTC for the month.  And if we picked off another one tomorrow, it would be roughly .063 BTC.  So yes, there is a little more gambling here, but the potential upside is way more than the sites that give lots of blocks per day...  And isn't that really why we are all in this "business" - gambling?  That is exactly why I moved to Kano from Slush after just one month with them...  I can afford a little electricity if needed, but with that said, my full power bill was paid by the 3rd of this month...  I also purchase coins on the exchanges, and this is a much smaller investment per BTC - just slower.  Anyway, just to give a little perspective for the newbies (me included).

Good info there thanks!
I have one s9 pointed each way. One to slush and one here.
Told myself to give it one month and get 5nd here to weigh out my options.
Thinking about moving the other one here as well.

[AerialGopher]

I can't afford that.

I hope we do go much longer without any.

So my site has been grabbing 5 minute detailed info for a few pools in my upcoming minergain site but dont have the info live yet.   Eventually this data can use your real miner data to do "what if scenarios - even though luck is luck".  So all this got me wondering so I thought I would share some real comparison info...  So if you were with slush for December, here would be your btc per Th that your miners submitted....  After the date is the number of blocks found and the next column is the BTC / TH for that day.  It fully takes into account the hash rate for every block and the 2% that they take.

Dec 1   17   0.00020415
Dec 2   21   0.000246807
Dec 3   21   0.000235327
Dec 4   12   0.000137415
Dec 5   21   0.000230983
Dec 6   15   0.00016493
Dec 7   23   0.000274498
Dec 8   18   0.000217576
Dec 9   12   0.000141403
Dec 10   26   0.000282076
Dec 11   23   0.000254072
Dec 12   13   0.000146673
Dec 13   16   0.000173655
Dec 14   20   0.000201528
Dec 15   18   0.000200334
Dec 16   13   0.000139204
Dec 17   23   0.000244415
Dec 18   20   0.000207583
      
Total: 0.003702629 per Th/s.  

So if you have an S9 like me with 13.5Th/s, that is .0499854915 BTC for the month (assuming fully "vested" in the PPNLS).  As I have mentioned before, the 5 blocks found on Kano (even with the current 8 day delay) is .04509834.  If we got another block today, it would be roughly .054 BTC for the month.  And if we picked off another one tomorrow, it would be roughly .063 BTC.  So yes, there is a little more gambling here, but the potential upside is way more than the sites that give lots of blocks per day...  And isn't that really why we are all in this "business" - gambling?  That is exactly why I moved to Kano from Slush after just one month with them...  I can afford a little electricity if needed, but with that said, my full power bill was paid by the 3rd of this month...  I also purchase coins on the exchanges, and this is a much smaller investment per BTC - just slower.  Anyway, just to give a little perspective for the newbies (me included).

I didn't dispute that kano had better upside with the way this is set up.  I was just thinking that there may be a reason other than bad luck that there has been no block found for 9 days now.  I was just throwing out an idea that maybe some other DDOS attack or something was happening that we are not aware of. I do not mean on the web server, I mean on the backend ie stratum server or upstream of the node which affects the ability to break open one of them 12.5 Tonne Golden nuggets!

[gbBit]

So my site has been grabbing 5 minute detailed info for a few pools in my upcoming minergain site but dont have the info live yet.   Eventually this data can use your real miner data to do "what if scenarios - even though luck is luck".  So all this got me wondering so I thought I would share some real comparison info...  So if you were with slush for December, here would be your btc per Th that your miners submitted....  After the date is the number of blocks found and the next column is the BTC / TH for that day.  It fully takes into account the hash rate for every block and the 2% that they take.

Dec 1   17   0.00020415
Dec 2   21   0.000246807
Dec 3   21   0.000235327
Dec 4   12   0.000137415
Dec 5   21   0.000230983
Dec 6   15   0.00016493
Dec 7   23   0.000274498
Dec 8   18   0.000217576
Dec 9   12   0.000141403
Dec 10   26   0.000282076
Dec 11   23   0.000254072
Dec 12   13   0.000146673
Dec 13   16   0.000173655
Dec 14   20   0.000201528
Dec 15   18   0.000200334
Dec 16   13   0.000139204
Dec 17   23   0.000244415
Dec 18   20   0.000207583
      
Total: 0.003702629 per Th/s.  

So if you have an S9 like me with 13.5Th/s, that is .0499854915 BTC for the month (assuming fully "vested" in the PPNLS).  As I have mentioned before, the 5 blocks found on Kano (even with the current 8 day delay) is .04509834.  If we got another block today, it would be roughly .054 BTC for the month.  And if we picked off another one tomorrow, it would be roughly .063 BTC.  So yes, there is a little more gambling here, but the potential upside is way more than the sites that give lots of blocks per day...  And isn't that really why we are all in this "business" - gambling?  That is exactly why I moved to Kano from Slush after just one month with them...  I can afford a little electricity if needed, but with that said, my full power bill was paid by the 3rd of this month...  I also purchase coins on the exchanges, and this is a much smaller investment per BTC - just slower.  Anyway, just to give a little perspective for the newbies (me included).

Nice analysis.  

Do these numbers also take into account transaction fees as well?  I've been debating switching over to Kano for a while, but the day I was going to actually make the move about a month ago (12-Nov) it was a very volatile day with BTC price and I saw slush continue to get blocks as Kano just had bad luck.  Luckily I didn't move and I realized that even though it's all luck when it comes to mining there's a benefit to being in a larger pool when volatility is high.

[clgrissom3]

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I didn't dispute that kano had better upside with the way this is set up.  I was just thinking that there may be a reason other than bad luck that there has been no block found for 9 days now.  I was just throwing out an idea that maybe some other DDOS attack or something was happening that we are not aware of. I do not mean on the web server, I mean on the backend ie stratum server or upstream of the node which affects the ability to break open one of them 12.5 Tonne Golden nuggets!

One thing we can all be sure of is if this is even remotely true, Kano-san would have posted about here.  Until he does, you can be sure it's not happening.  That's the beauty of a transparent operation like this.