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2801  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: GPU usage drops to 0% on 6970 on: May 21, 2013, 07:39:21 PM
That's weird. They're not in Crossfire, right?
2802  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Homeland Security raids mall kiosks, claims they "fund terrorists" on: May 21, 2013, 02:24:47 AM
Terrorists speed, therefor speeders may be terrorists, therefor DHS has jurisdiction. Did I get that right?
2803  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: will 1200 watts run it? on: May 21, 2013, 02:01:53 AM
Hello all,

Just getting some opinions.  would a 1200w psu run 1 7970, 3 7950s, 1 ssd, 1 hard drive, 1 i7 3770k, and related peripherals?

thanks!
(250+(200*3)+15+25+77)*1.2=1160.4W PSU required. "*1.2" accounts for components possibly going over TDP, and peripherals. It will *probably* work, so long as you don't OC. PSU DC output decreases significantly below specs when running hot, generally (however, PSUs are generally able to output significantly higher wattage under ideal conditions than it's rated for). Considering it's going full-throttle... no guarantees if the ambient temperature isn't fairly cool. I'm not sure if I'm remembering this correctly, but I believe energy efficiency in PSUs plummets when near or at full capacity (especially PSUs not very highly rated for efficiency -- there are particular internal components where, if used, efficiency is more "even" under different loads, but I don't remember what the components you're supposed to look for are called), so you should take that into consideration, too.

Completely agree with grobbes' post.
2804  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: <<<DELETE>>> on: May 21, 2013, 01:53:45 AM
How did your account and the other accounts posting this spam get compromised?

No idea, I have a strong password tbh! I have confirmed at least 2 other members who have been hacked on here.

Andy B
Do you use the password elsewhere?
erm.............

Andy B
Is that a sheepish "yes," or did I ask something stupid? Cheesy

Good for Theymos to know in determining if he should be checking in on this. If you're using a password manager, they're often at least able to tell you where else you've used the password if you do re-use passwords. Obviously, if you use the password anywhere else, you should change them and enable 2FA if available. Then you can let us know which sites... if I read you right.
2805  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: <<<DELETE>>> on: May 21, 2013, 01:50:08 AM
How did your account and the other accounts posting this spam get compromised?

No idea, I have a strong password tbh! I have confirmed at least 2 other members who have been hacked on here.

Andy B
Do you use the password elsewhere?

ETA: May's well include my follow-up. Do you use LastPass or a similar online password manager? If so, do you use that password elsewhere, and is it a strong password? If so, was 2FA enabled?
2806  Other / Off-topic / Re: It's hot. on: May 21, 2013, 01:41:35 AM
Switched on the A/C yesterday... kind of shocked it still works. Before I bought the house, the bank owned it. They apparently don't do jack-shit in research on the people they hire for maintenance. Lawn maintenance people managed to cut through both the solid copper (and fairly thick!) A/C wire and the cheap vinyl siding (they pretty severely cut the siding, and that was a big PitA to get back on right -- still haven't done one of the corners). They cut out a big section of the wire, so I used cheap copper-strand wire and aluminum connectors to keep it going, since that's what I had on-hand. So far, nothing terrible's happened. Temperatures on the connectors are fine and it's pulling exactly as much electricity as it should.

I suffered through a >105*F Summer in PA 2 or 3 years ago without A/C (took naps in the car for "sleep" on the hottest weeks). Now it's a decent 78*F indoors and have a window unit waiting in the garage if the rusty old central unit craps out. Don't have a bunch of GPU miners, now (it'd get over 130*F ambient in mining room before with a bunch of box fans moving air in and out of the house -- was basically like being in a dehydrator with 15 MPH winds -- I'd smoke in there and lose about 80% of the tobacco to the wind smoking it for me), so at least I'm not combating wasted energy in the form of heat with a fairly powerful window unit going full-blast which couldn't even get temps to what they were outside. Definitely wish I set the gardens up to automatically water before the Summer heat came, though.

Oh yea, you moved to some place in Indiana, didn't you? If I recall correctly, you were looking to rent or buy in Indiana.
Wanted to. Michigan houses/land were about half-price, though.... too tempting to pass up.
2807  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Theymos: What the fuck is up with BFL and TradeFortress? on: May 20, 2013, 03:44:32 AM
I forget. How much are we paying to use this forum?

I think theymos has a few hundred thousand USD-worth from the community, actually....  Tongue
2808  Other / Politics & Society / Re: border guards can demand passwords to your laptop on: May 20, 2013, 03:42:26 AM
You want the administrator password?  Gee, I don't know...none of these accounts are named administrator.  Aren't you an administrator?
Grin

Anyhoo, police in my sate can download all your text messages if they have the whim after pulling you over. You might be hiding drug deals, even if there's no extraordinary reason to suspect it!
2809  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Why will GPU mining be useless? Difficulty/Price relations? on: May 20, 2013, 03:13:26 AM
Even if bitcoin goes to $10k or more a coin, it doesn't mean GPU mining will be worthwhile if ASICs are readily available and much cheaper than GPUs.

ASICs hardware manufacturers have zero incentive to sell ASICs hardware for less then they think they can make from using the devices themselves.

Thus far, with the exception of Avalon batch 1, they haven't sold ASIC hardware for less then they think they can mine for themselves.

ASICMiner is abusing the heck out of the bitcoin community because they can (13 GHs blades are 50 BTC, and 300 MHs USB miners are 2 BTC) and have little to no competition at the moment.

I hope we'll see the day where ASICs are readily available for reasonable prices, but that day seems very far away at the moment...
They do indeed have incentive to sell -- particularly, to pre-sell. Designing and fabricating ASIC hardware costs months and millions, and Bitcoin is a pretty tiny market. I think it's an "avg" block mining duration of 20m, right? 25BTC*3=75BTC/hr*24=1800BTC/day. Multiply by current BTC price ($120-ish), and you get $216k/day. It's a pretty small market, and not too many people are going to want to make multi-million thrive-or-die bets on producing a boat-load of ASICs -- certainly not hardware manufacturers. Allowing pre-orders (whether the hardware or allowing would-be consumers to purchase equity in the company) is one of a small handfuls of way these designers/manufacturers have any shot in Hell of being able to produce these devices.

Consumers basically get a discount for extending a loan to the company, and we've seen how that is good, and most prominently in BFL's case, how that can be very bad. In the near future, if manufacturers can just snap their fingers and have 100TH/s of ASICs within a week without needing third-party financing, then they'd have no incentive to sell for a rate that's profitable both for manufacturer and consumer.
2810  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: No mods or even third-party mod tools. on: May 20, 2013, 02:53:46 AM
No need for mods, you can just open pull-requests via https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulls or create a fork of it and make your very own client Wink.

Dia
That's pretty unreasonably inconvenient, cumbersome, and centralized for common users looking for minor changes, on top of not being geared toward allowing optional targeted improvements only some users may want/need, but to improve the standard code for everyone. - Not that to say it's bad in any way, just not geared toward what I'm thinking of.

Trust is an issue, but this is probably one of the most reputation-emphasizing communities on Earth. I mean - the devs didn't originally say "No, you can't release new Bitcoin clients, because they may contain malicious code" but AFAIK, there isn't a rampant problem of malicious clients out in the wild. People pop up fairly frequently with malicious software to steal Bitcoins, but it isn't the result of Bitcoin mods. It would create new avenues to distribute it, but for scammers, there are already viable ways to log keys from people willing to download and run software (sometimes even without consent to run it!).

It just seems weird to me, that there's this revolutionary community-driven open-source product, and nobody can change it without recompiling it, leaving it to the democracy/dictatorship/whatever of Github. So, we get Client A, Client B, Client C, Client D, and Client E. Take your pick, but what you get is almost certainly all you'll get unless the developers either themselves implement or approve implementation of a change. Plugins are superior for end-users looking for alternatives to every decision made for QT, functionally, because they aren't necessarily broken each time the core software is updated. With code changes, you have to recompile every single time.

This isn't really something I should be throwing at Bitcoin-QT devs, either, because AFAIK, there are no easily-modified Bitcoin clients. Mostly just a curiosity devils'-advocate question I don't expect people to waste their time answering should they think it ridiculously far-fetched -- thanks for the responses.

(I don't know what I'm talking about! [bump])
2811  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: stuf heard at bitcoin2013 on: May 20, 2013, 02:26:45 AM
They are dealing with potential security issues in china. e.g. ngzhang  doesn't drive his own car anymore, doesn't use his old cellphone, doesn't live where he used to...

They have physically secured the transportation route between them and the shipper in hopes of preventing damaged avalons (said 6-7 Avalons had  broken corners or damage).
I'm guessing he's thought of this before, and it seems unlikely I'll get a straight answer by asking him online.... but what's holding him back from moving?
2812  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why do people use milk crates to build their rigs on: May 20, 2013, 02:02:23 AM
Milk crates are pretty reasonable for open-case designs. They have big holes to allow extra airflow, but the holes are small enough where things aren't slipping through. I used modular plastic shelving for a while because I happened to have it on-hand. It worked well enough that now I use it for all my computers in my office. Bottom row is for the motherboards/etc (cable ties through screw holes so it's less likely to budge), top row for I/O & monitor. There's also the floor with high clearance under the first shelving unit where I can stuff power strips and use as general storage. Wire management is extra-simple because I don't need to try stuffing everything in one or two holes like in most conventional wood/metal set-ups. It's shockingly functional.

It's ghetto, but people are using them for mining rigs. I'm not sure why anyone would want to spend more than necessary for a functional enclosure on something which will likely be tucked away in a back room. Mining rigs produce tons of heat, and for powerful rigs, keeping them in an enclosed case often isn't an option due to airflow restriction, difficulty to access parts, and large quantities of dust building in the limited areas where input/exhaust airflow is permitted, which cause additional thermal problems. There are case designs which are pretty good about allowing maximum airflow, but they tend to be pretty expensive. Additionally, you need specific parts which fit the enclosure, usually need to purchase a few extra case fans (and they need to be exactly the right size), have limitations in the number of ports/HDDs/optical-drives able to be installed (off-the-shelf case designs are getting much better about modular front panels, though). I'm done with cases for the rest of my life, I think.
2813  Other / Off-topic / Re: It's hot. on: May 19, 2013, 09:51:12 PM
Switched on the A/C yesterday... kind of shocked it still works. Before I bought the house, the bank owned it. They apparently don't do jack-shit in research on the people they hire for maintenance. Lawn maintenance people managed to cut through both the solid copper (and fairly thick!) A/C wire and the cheap vinyl siding (they pretty severely cut the siding, and that was a big PitA to get back on right -- still haven't done one of the corners). They cut out a big section of the wire, so I used cheap copper-strand wire and aluminum connectors to keep it going, since that's what I had on-hand. So far, nothing terrible's happened. Temperatures on the connectors are fine and it's pulling exactly as much electricity as it should.

I suffered through a >105*F Summer in PA 2 or 3 years ago without A/C (took naps in the car for "sleep" on the hottest weeks). Now it's a decent 78*F indoors and have a window unit waiting in the garage if the rusty old central unit craps out. Don't have a bunch of GPU miners, now (it'd get over 130*F ambient in mining room before with a bunch of box fans moving air in and out of the house -- was basically like being in a dehydrator with 15 MPH winds -- I'd smoke in there and lose about 80% of the tobacco to the wind smoking it for me), so at least I'm not combating wasted energy in the form of heat with a fairly powerful window unit going full-blast which couldn't even get temps to what they were outside. Definitely wish I set the gardens up to automatically water before the Summer heat came, though.
2814  Economy / Digital goods / Re: Youtube.com/Gay on: May 19, 2013, 07:55:57 AM
Here's a horribly-formatted transcript of how I ended up spending my last ~2h, for the sake of disclosure. I was obviously too uncomfortable not using escrow with someone new, pseudonymous, selling something for far less than it's worth, and just should've said no. It was a serious offer, though. Pretty weasel-y of me, what I was intending to do. I wasn't intending a bad end-product, it just seemed like a pretty silly way to likely throw $120 away when I could just make a grab for the account and release the coins after. Ballsy weasel-y move, I think. In the end, he doesn't have any coins, and I don't have any gay Youtube channels. Really, I was expecting to be considered reputable enough to just get a few minutes in to change stuff around if he wasn't a scammer. (depending on how this is viewed, though - some may now certainly believe he was right!)

I'm in bold, and now I'm off to bed, because I wasn't expecting this to take so long.  Smiley

Hey there


Rick James
hey
You Kluge?


Yep


1:57 AM
Rick James
ok


So how'll this work?


2:00 AM
Rick James
idk
2:01 AM
Rick James
umm
2:02 AM
Rick James
you there


yeah -- slow Internet


Rick James
o ok
2:03 AM
Rick James
I can send the info first but then you need to send the 1 bitcoin


I've never purchased a Google account before. Not sure what ways there are to recover it.


2:05 AM
Rick James
Well i bought this off someone so i don't think so
2:07 AM


Hmm.. How about a 10-minute refund policy?


Rick James
what do you mean?


If I find there's some reason I can't change it over without it being able to be recovered, then I can give you back the info without needing to pay the coin.


2:09 AM
Rick James
well i don't know about that
i was recently scammed by a gambling site
so i'm out 1.2 right now
btc

Well. We could do escrow, too, and I'll pay the fee.
2:10 AM
Rick James
whats escrow?
I'd rather I send the info and you send bitcoin its faster


So like - if I were selling you a car, but you lived somewhere far away, we'd both agree on someone we trust who holds the BTC. I send the escrow agent the BTC, you send over the Google account info, and if everything's cool, escrow gets released to you.


2:12 AM
Rick James
o ok.
but wouldn't take time
2:13 AM


I mean - I'm fine doing it without escrow, I just want to make sure I can switch over all the account details and there's no chance of recovery. I've been scammed out of thousands of coins in the past couple years, so I think I'm even more paranoid than you, heh.


Rick James
Damm that's alot
Well could we do this


Yeah. They weren't worth much back then, at least.


2:15 AM
Rick James
I send info, you send 0.50, you fix everything and then you send 0.50


Ehhh... I could still be out $60 that way. Not as bad as $120, but I don't want to risk it.
Escrow, though... we could even do it on Bitmit, so it'd be automated.



Rick James
bitmit?


yeah http://bitmit.net/
You list it like an eBay auction and just check the escrow box when you list the YT account.



2:17 AM
Rick James
o ok I'll do it now
2:24 AM
Rick James
https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/33730-youtube-com-gay
2:26 AM
Rick James
send it to their address *snip*


Okay... now just waiting on it to confirm
https://blockchain.info/tx/722c7417f1e6434baf61e5c02a3f054e2cdea9ce263ef3115f98cabb967e9f6c
I sent it to my BitMit wallet. It'll show as paid when it transfers. I thought I might get some confirms before you listed it so it'd hurry up.



2:28 AM
Rick James
o ok did u send to *snip* though?
2:29 AM


No, it's going to my BitMit wallet. BitMit can take the funds in my wallet and apply it to that.


Rick James
*snip*


I need to send some extra to that address though... I didn't send enough for fees


2:30 AM
Rick James
so how does this site work>
2:32 AM


It's pretty much just an eBay clone, but takes Bitcoin. It has a wallet kind of like you'd have on PayPal if you goto https://www.bitmit.net/en/service/wallet -- when you get the funds, you just place a withdrawal from there.
*there, into your own wallet.




Rick James
o ok. How long until I receive the bitcoin?
59 mins ago


However long 6 confirms takes. BitMit's kind of annoyingly cautious. Shouldn't be much more than an hour, if that long... but this block looks like it's going to be long.


58 mins ago
Rick James
ok
56 mins ago
Rick James
I have more youtubes
49 mins ago


Yeah?
I'm not too sure what I'll be doing with it, so I'll probably hold off on buying anything else for a while.



Rick James
ya.
48 mins ago
Rick James
So How does this work.
Like u send the bitcoin, i send the info, then you claim you received it, and then it gets released?

Yeah

Rick James
I also I have *snip*
if you want that instead
46 mins ago
Rick James
Do you want that instead
?


Naw. Hardwares for a few years, sexual orientation is forever. (or something like that)


Rick James
Lol
45 mins ago


At 2/6 confirmations, now...


Rick James
slow!!!


Yeah... Silly of BitMit to wait so long for these.


Rick James
yup
34 mins ago
Rick James
...
32 mins ago


yup


Rick James
we should have done my way


Yeah.
We still can.



31 mins ago
Rick James
alright lets just do that


I have coins sitting @ https://blockchain.info/address/*snip*


Rick James
damm you got alot
Smiley


Yeah... you don't know how much I owe, though, heh.


30 mins ago
Rick James
lol.
so you ready


yeah


28 mins ago
Rick James
You receive info, you send bitcoin


Alright


27 mins ago
Rick James
are you sure you wont scam me?


Pretty sure. I've run an escrow and lending service for about a year, now... would be kind of silly to throw it away over 1BTC.


Rick James
ok
25 mins ago
Rick James
let me change the password
22 mins ago
Rick James
my address is 17xYsaUPYXx546YKjaHrhGmZkc6WoFrDN5


err


Rick James
email is *snip*


Oh - okay, nm on my "err"
I thought that was the BitMit address. Started almost the same.



Rick James
o it isn't
password is *snip*
please don't scam me
21 mins ago


87b0d7484c3e97f3f604616f76fb4588c58cd30c4f4a92655f1aef3ed5551c8c


Rick James
what is that?


Oh - sorry. transaction will show up @ https://blockchain.info/tx/87b0d7484c3e97f3f604616f76fb4588c58cd30c4f4a92655f1aef3ed5551c8c
That was the transaction ID



Rick James
how long?
19 mins ago


should be less than a minute (ETA for forum: This was a lie. I didn't trust him at all. Not really his fault, either. I was intending to "hold the gun," and had good intentions, but obviously only I will know that for sure.)


Rick James
it doesn't take that much time to show a blockchain
17 mins ago
Rick James
u scamming me
15 mins ago


Actually.... I set the transaction on a delay to make sure you wouldn't try to change recovery options back. I've been scammed too many times.


Rick James
nope you just tried to scam me
you can't do that
14 mins ago
Rick James
lol
trying to scam me
see you won't even respond back
12 mins ago


Well - you've changed the password back to something else. I may not have stopped peers from relaying the transaction, so you might still get paid. I'm pretty sure you attempted to scam me, but maybe not -- maybe we're both just paranoid as Hell.
If you do end up getting the coins and aren't trying to scam me, I would appreciate getting the info.



Rick James
I'm not trying to scam you
you said it would take 1 minute to see the blockchain
11 mins ago
Rick James
1 minute passed and nothing happened


I lied.
That's the paranoia.



Rick James
I got paranoid so i changed the password


It's funny. We were kind of in a race. I raced over to close out all the other Gmail sessions, but was too slow, apparently.
10 mins ago
Well -- maybe not funny.



Rick James
I do i know you actually sent the bitcoin
I actually sent the info


There are 3 confs on the transaction to BitMit, fwiw https://blockchain.info/tx/722c7417f1e6434baf61e5c02a3f054e2cdea9ce263ef3115f98cabb967e9f6c


Rick James
and you didn't


Yeah - but the problem with not using escrow is that you could immediately change it back.
And I'd have no recourse.



8 mins ago
Rick James
i'm not talking about the one for bitmit


Which you did - but that was my fault.


Rick James
and also on bitmit
you could say u never got the info and then i wouldn't  get the bitcoin
7 mins ago

If you post the info in the BitMit messaging system, the site admin/mods would know.
Rick James
still you never sent the bitcoin when i sent you the info so u did try to scam me
6 mins ago

I did send the BTC. The actual problem was that my Bitcoin client wasn't sync'd. I knew that, and knew it'd produce a transaction ID without relaying it to peers. So that was indeed my fault entirely.
I'm ~100 blocks behind. When I sent to BitMit, I sent from my BitFinex account.

Rick James
but how do i know that?

You don't.
That's kind of the problem with digital sales, I suppose.

5 mins ago
Rick James
how long would it take for bitcoin you sent to come?

I shut off the Bitcoin client after you changed the pw. It's still possible they'll wind up in your wallet, eventually, though.
4 mins ago
Rick James
how though?

I had a time when I needed to pay someone, and he switched his address after I sent, but was behind on syncing then, too. I deleted the logs which store queued transactions, but it still ended up going to the wrong address and I had to pay him twice.
3 mins ago
Rick James
and how long did it take to come in?

The only way for me to ensure the coins aren't sent would be to delete my BTC client entirely and just use a backed-up wallet.
Rick James
cuz i can wait and if they come i will resend the info

It took until I re-sync'd with the blockchain, but I still had Bitcoin open, then.
Rick James
that's the only way now
1 min ago

If I can't do it through escrow on BitMit, then I'm sorry I wasted a giant chunk of your time.
Right now, neither of us trust each other at all.

Rick James
yup u kinda did.
I trusted you but you didn't trust me


(Quick edit because I should've gone to sleep a while ago -- he offered to wait for BitMit before I realized we'd be in exactly the same situation. He'd want escrow released right after he gave info. Initially, I tried to get John to do it, but he was busy for a bit.)
2815  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Well this is mildly concerning.... on: May 19, 2013, 05:27:30 AM
I'm not sure how you could say it's more accurate.

In more words:
Kinlo's block origin is more accurate than blockchain.info about the pool percentages for block hashing, because block origin uses their published results whereas blockchain.info collates based upon who propagated each block to them.

Thanks.  Smiley
2816  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / No mods or even third-party mod tools. on: May 19, 2013, 04:22:27 AM
You guys ever think about that? I don't think I've ever heard of it being discussed. I can think of some of the obvious and very severe drawbacks, but I'd mostly be talking out of my ass. It'd be nice to hear some intelligent thoughts on it. Was the decision to make modifications to the client fairly cumbersome (requires recompile -- no plugins possible - AFAIK) a conscious decision? Is this something which is slated for the future - either to be implemented or re-examined? Would implementing a more modular, plugin-friendly (don't forget, I don't know what I'm talking about!) Bitcoin require a large number of man-hours?

I can think of a few relatively minor changes which might make a significant improvement in some folks' perception of Bitcoin's functionality/look:
*New animated splash screen of a giant Bitcoin falling on Bernanke's head, knocking it into his body, and replacing the head with the Bitcoin. (this one's very important!)
*Integrate a price-checking mod to quickly grab the Last price off a couple exchanges without some cumbersome independent program.
*Sound effects when we receive coins.
*Additional confirmation messages on certain operations.
*SDice plugin which lets me click a button on my dashboard to gamble.
*Ability to color-code my transaction log, or have additional details in my "Receive Coins" tab.
*Ability to edit Address Book filter and/or color-coding rules.
2817  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Well this is mildly concerning.... on: May 19, 2013, 01:20:29 AM
This is much more accurate:

http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/chart.php

And BTCguild have deliberately throttled their share to just under 40%.
Unless BitMinter went down over 2k blocks ago, I'm not sure how you could say it's more accurate. If it's not accounting for the outage quickly, it's obviously going to be pretty inaccurate. Idunno the situation, though, and know El has measures in place to stop BTCGuild from achieving too high a percentage of hashpower...
2818  Other / Meta / Re: Watching the mods on: May 19, 2013, 01:04:23 AM
It's definitely at least ~5 months old.
2819  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Identity of Satoshi Nakamoto is known on: May 19, 2013, 12:58:30 AM
I don't suppose we could ban these threads, could we? Every day, two new people come forward insisting two different people we've never heard of are definitely Satoshi.
2820  Economy / Speculation / Re: $1,000,000 for a Bitcoin? on: May 19, 2013, 12:56:08 AM
Why such a question in the first place? Total amount of bitcoin is limited, and total amount of dollar is growing forever, so does economy/debt, it is the most sure thing to happen, just no one knows how long it gonna take
There are two halves to "supply and demand," of course, and you might be forgetting the latter. If there's a better product than Bitcoin, or if users lose interest in it for some other reason - it's very possible BTC will hit $0 way before we come close even to $1,000.
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