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2861  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: I'm just having a little issue trying to sign a message with my Bitcoin address. on: September 01, 2023, 01:27:50 PM
For security, do not use iancoleman online website, download the it offline to use on a word editor.
Say what?

You may want to change your wallet and discard your seed since you seem to have entered it into so many online websites so far. When you do things like this, there is a chance that you leak your keys!
Listen to this guy!

You made so many mistakes..... First, it sounds like you've entered your seed phrase on at least one website. You should NEVER do that! I can't emphasize enough how bad this is. You should take handling private keys much more serious. Second: signing a message on mobile is annoying. Third: why do you want to sign a message anyway? The address you're signing from is empty. You can install as many wallets as you want, get a new wallet with a new seed phrase on a computer and sign an address there.
Oh, and first: forget about your current wallet. Create a new one, move all your funds. Keep you old wallet, but mark it COMPROMISED and never use it again.
2862  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [WARNING] Whirlwind.money - withdrawals are not being processed ⚠️ on: September 01, 2023, 10:05:12 AM
Shouldn't the fact alone that the site is still operational through Tor be enough for a type 3 Flag to be active?
It doesn't match the flag description, see the discussion in Trust flags.

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Do we also give WW a free pass because all forum members were lucky to be compensated without any involvement by WW?
Definitely not.

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my view is that anybody can still get scammed and the situation wasn't remedied by WW.
Yep. But no Flag is going to change that if they find the .onion site in their bookmarks.
2863  Other / Meta / Re: Request: Disable merits in the Wall Observer thread on: September 01, 2023, 09:55:55 AM
The amount of smerits being sent on the WO thread is too damned high!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
~
AmInotrite?
I made this post yesterday:
Observing 27,145@stamp
Where am I?
In the past Undecided
It received 4 Merit. I've made better posts that received 0 Merit. I think it's safe to say earning Merit in WO is even easier than in Meta.
2864  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [JUST IN] Grayscale wins lawsuit against the SEC on: September 01, 2023, 09:48:58 AM
you can also when redeeming bitcoin use other tax loopholes like giving yourself a personal loan. and other methods the elites use to not pay tax on funds. such as trust funds
That's only worth it starting from a certain amount. I'm too poor to not pay taxes (at least in this country).
2865  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [WARNING] Whirlwind.money - withdrawals are not being processed ⚠️ on: September 01, 2023, 09:36:25 AM
This incident also raised another issue, it seems like your influence is dangerously strong  Cheesy
I like to think my arguments are dangerously strong Wink And there was quite some opposition in this topic, which I can only encourage.

I'm not disappointed by the end result though: the type 3 Flag is still active, but has less Support. The warning is still there, but at least many people realized that (so far) there is no victim (although something could have happened to WWM).



I usually don't engage outside of the collectibles section, but just wanted to clarify this point:

Your BTC was not exchanged for an altcoin, it is still locked in the multi-sig BTC wallet.

You received the altcoin because this is what was available for payouts that was not locked in a multi-sig wallet
For contingencies: are you keeping accurate records including all evidence (such as LoG)? In case something did happen to WWM, and they do come back, all "notes" that have been paid from escrow should be invalidated before the service can resume withdrawals.
2866  Other / Meta / Re: Decoupling message IDs from topic IDs (SMF patch) on: September 01, 2023, 09:21:10 AM
The idea would be, when the person makes a quote, the forum will give a maximum line limit, then generating a scroll if there are more lines than this limit.
I was thinking of a manual option, like code-tags, but automating to all posts is even better.
2867  Other / Meta / Re: Decoupling message IDs from topic IDs (SMF patch) on: September 01, 2023, 09:09:00 AM
the numbering of the posts is sequential, correct?
Yes. Although some posts are made on non-public forums.



While we're at the subject of forum patches (and I don't think this deserves another topic), there's one thing I'd like to see: "scrollable quotes"! I'm thinking of posts like this:
Code:
[b]1. Vispilio: $3159.06[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/radiant-capital]Radiant Capital Price[/url] (12244.32322564 RDNT): $2819.32
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/digits-dao]Digits DAO Price[/url] (51110.45992599 DIGITS): $213.89
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/gigaswap]GigaSwap Price[/url] (4377517.07231658 GIGA): $49.12
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/band-protocol]Band Protocol Price[/url] (70.92198582 BAND): $76.74

[b]2. xSkylarx: $1727.15[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/xrp]XRP Price[/url] (735.10817852 XRP): $375.13
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/solana]Solana Price[/url] (25.10040161 SOL): $494.98
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/terra-luna-classic]Terra Luna Classic Price[/url] (689084.89525910 LUNC): $42.65
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ronin]Ronin Price[/url] (1513.07676595 RON): $814.39

[b]3. Bitcoin: $1571.40[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bitcoin]Bitcoin Price[/url] (0.06045697 BTC): $1571.40

[b]4. slackovic: $1336.50[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/aleph-zero]Aleph Zero Price[/url] (362.37704849 AZERO): $285.80
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/solana]Solana Price[/url] (30.12048193 SOL): $595.78
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/gains-network]Gains Network Price[/url] (64.51612903 GNS): $218.06
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/vela-exchange]Vela Exchange Price[/url] (226.43209811 DXP): $236.85

[b]5. Inwestour: $1317.26[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/xrp]XRP Price[/url] (1470.21635704 XRP): $751.53
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ethereum]Ethereum Price[/url] (0.16713883 ETH): $275.02
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/loopring]Loopring Price[/url] (1062.77831507 LRC): $190.85
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/usd-coin]USD Coin Price[/url] (99.90009990 USDC): $99.86

[b]6. Yabes: $1306.52[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/litecoin]Litecoin Price[/url] (2.85918513 LTC): $182.62
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/dogecoin]Dogecoin Price[/url] (4975.97315818 DOGE): $317.30
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/solana]Solana Price[/url] (35.14056225 SOL): $692.97
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/waves]Waves Price[/url] (75.75757576 WAVES): $113.64

[b]7. casperBGD: $1282.67[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/fantom]Fantom Price[/url] (2002.86409566 FTM): $402.29
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/audius]Audius Price[/url] (1564.50452142 AUDIO): $234.46
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/velodrome-finance]Velodrome Finance Price[/url] (11012.44571553 VELO): $614.45
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/evmos-domains]Evmos Domains Price[/url] (38459.91131144 EVD): $31.47

[b]8. jokers10: $1230.26[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/solana]Solana Price[/url] (30.12048193 SOL): $593.98
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/iota]IOTA Price[/url] (591.84905482 MIOTA): $92.50
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/iotex]IoTeX Price[/url] (14319.56984012 IOTX): $197.09
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/cartesi]Cartesi Price[/url] (2912.45170184 CTSI): $346.70

[b]9. xandry: $1218.93[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/true-usd]TrueUSD Price[/url] (498.00796813 TUSD): $497.18
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/helium]Helium Price[/url] (65.35947712 HNT): $103.92
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/gmx]GMX Price[/url] (4.79961603 GMX): $167.84
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/maker]Maker Price[/url] (0.38974959 MKR): $449.99

[b]10. Halab: $1159.37[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bnb]BNB Price[/url] (1.21624909 BNB): $263.77
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/solana]Solana Price[/url] (25.10040161 SOL): $495.23
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/aleph-zero]Aleph Zero Price[/url] (301.98087374 AZERO): $238.13
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ultra]Ultra Price[/url] (1106.77011278 UOS): $162.24

[b]11. F2b: $1151.95[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ethereum]Ethereum Price[/url] (0.26742213 ETH): $440.61
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/hackenai]Hacken Price[/url] (15698.70008222 HAI): $290.57
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/quant]Quant Price[/url] (2.27165168 QNT): $226.48
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/monero]Monero Price[/url] (1.35749678 XMR): $194.28

[b]12. cryptofrka: $1115.41[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/optimism]Optimism Price[/url] (436.06378305 OP): $606.13
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/aleph-zero]Aleph Zero Price[/url] (241.58469899 AZERO): $190.51
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ethereum-name-service]Ethereum Name Service Price[/url] (18.58736059 ENS): $145.72
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/curve-dao-token]Curve DAO Price[/url] (381.04455745 CRV): $173.05

[b]13. UserU: $1109.26[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ethereum]Ethereum Price[/url] (0.41784708 ETH): $688.55
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bnb]BNB Price[/url] (1.01354091 BNB): $219.46
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/shiba-inu]Shiba Inu Price[/url] (18518518.51851850 SHIB): $148.33
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/safemoon]SafeMoon Price[/url] (418567.66146248 SFM): $52.91

[b]14. Smartprofit: $1088.92[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ethereum]Ethereum Price[/url] (0.30084990 ETH): $495.03
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bnb]BNB Price[/url] (1.01354091 BNB): $219.55
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/monero]Monero Price[/url] (1.96837033 XMR): $281.58
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/celo]Celo Price[/url] (210.86947812 CELO): $92.76

[b]15. Buchi-88: $1069.27[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/iota]IOTA Price[/url] (1183.69810963 MIOTA): $185.04
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/waves]Waves Price[/url] (227.27272727 WAVES): $340.91
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/aleph-zero]Aleph Zero Price[/url] (362.37704849 AZERO): $285.71
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bitpanda-ecosystem-token]Bitpanda Ecosystem Price[/url] (642.69004345 BEST): $257.60

[b]16. Rikafip: $1064.10[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/tether]Tether Price[/url] (500.00000000 USDT): $499.92
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ethereum]Ethereum Price[/url] (0.16713883 ETH): $275.42
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bnb]BNB Price[/url] (0.81083273 BNB): $175.98
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/gala]GALA Price[/url] (5991.99948229 GALA): $112.79

[b]17. sky999: $1019.65[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/dogecoin]Dogecoin Price[/url] (4265.11984987 DOGE): $272.01
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/optimism]Optimism Price[/url] (327.04783729 OP): $454.60
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/trust-wallet-token]Trust Wallet Price[/url] (140.84507042 TWT): $117.47
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bnb]BNB Price[/url] (0.81083273 BNB): $175.57

[b]18. perl: $1008.21[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/monero]Monero Price[/url] (3.32586710 XMR): $475.30
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ethereum]Ethereum Price[/url] (0.15042495 ETH): $247.52
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/dero]Dero Price[/url] (43.70179949 DERO): $125.42
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/tether]Tether Price[/url] (160.00000000 USDT): $159.97

[b]19. malcovi2: $993.47[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/dusk-network]DUSK Network Price[/url] (4216.91827612 DUSK): $420.47
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/dogecoin]Dogecoin Price[/url] (2132.55992493 DOGE): $136.40
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/algorand]Algorand Price[/url] (1733.91361642 ALGO): $161.55
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ethereum]Ethereum Price[/url] (0.16713883 ETH): $275.04

[b]20. antigin: $982.79[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/usd-coin]USD Coin Price[/url] (499.50049950 USDC): $499.30
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/fantom]Fantom Price[/url] (1502.14807174 FTM): $300.76
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bnb]BNB Price[/url] (0.60812454 BNB): $131.73
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/chia]Chia Price[/url] (1.73852573 XCH): $50.99

[b]21. GazetaBitcoin: $975.42[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/tether]Tether Price[/url] (500.00000000 USDT): $499.92
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bnb]BNB Price[/url] (1.62166545 BNB): $351.14
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ethereum]Ethereum Price[/url] (0.04178471 ETH): $68.76
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/0x]0x Protocol Price[/url] (336.85458661 ZRX): $55.60

[b]22. bullrun2020bro: $971.34[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/aleph-zero]Aleph Zero Price[/url] (301.98087374 AZERO): $237.95
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/gmx]GMX Price[/url] (5.99952004 GMX): $210.04
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/fantom]Fantom Price[/url] (1251.79005979 FTM): $250.76
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/gains-network]Gains Network Price[/url] (80.64516129 GNS): $272.58

[b]23. LoyceV: $969.49[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/tether]Tether Price[/url] (500.00000000 USDT): $499.83
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/monero]Monero Price[/url] (2.71499355 XMR): $388.00
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/dogecoin]Dogecoin Price[/url] (710.85330831 DOGE): $45.34
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/tryhards]TryHards Price[/url] (22253.57503683 TRY): $36.32

[b]24. sam00: $960.33[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/algorand]Algorand Price[/url] (1444.92801369 ALGO): $135.24
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/aleph-zero]Aleph Zero Price[/url] (301.98087374 AZERO): $237.95
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ethereum]Ethereum Price[/url] (0.20892354 ETH): $344.27
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/monero]Monero Price[/url] (1.69687097 XMR): $242.86

[b]25. Saint-loup: $939.67[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/waves]Waves Price[/url] (189.39393939 WAVES): $284.09
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/polygon]Polygon Price[/url] (329.30049988 MATIC): $181.01
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/shiba-inu]Shiba Inu Price[/url] (30864197.53086420 SHIB): $247.22
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/dogecoin]Dogecoin Price[/url] (3554.26654156 DOGE): $227.34

[b]26. GrosWesh: $913.25[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/cheqd-network]CHEQD Network Price[/url] (9447.92022932 CHEQ): $309.47
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/aleph-zero]Aleph Zero Price[/url] (301.98087374 AZERO): $238.09
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/gigaswap]GigaSwap Price[/url] (4377517.07231658 GIGA): $49.12
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/casper-network]Casper Network Price[/url] (9055.01173167 CSPR): $316.58

[b]27. CoinEraser: $898.36[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/polygon]Polygon Price[/url] (526.88079981 MATIC): $289.24
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/dogecoin]Dogecoin Price[/url] (1421.70661662 DOGE): $90.66
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/aleph-zero]Aleph Zero Price[/url] (483.16939798 AZERO): $380.95
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/ethereum]Ethereum Price[/url] (0.08356942 ETH): $137.51

[b]28. Trofo: $892.46[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/masq]MASQ Price[/url] (1561.24124924 MASQ): $304.91
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/algorand]Algorand Price[/url] (1444.92801369 ALGO): $135.18
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/quant]Quant Price[/url] (2.36630383 QNT): $235.92
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/curve-dao-token]Curve DAO Price[/url] (476.30569681 CRV): $216.44

[b]29. Betwrong: $890.22[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bnb]BNB Price[/url] (1.70274872 BNB): $368.70
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/iota]IOTA Price[/url] (1183.69810963 MIOTA): $184.79
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/xrp]XRP Price[/url] (529.27788853 XRP): $270.55
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/edgeware]Edgeware Price[/url] (491799.24754715 EDG): $66.19

[b]30. NeuroticFish: $889.89[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bnb]BNB Price[/url] (1.70274872 BNB): $368.70
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/monero]Monero Price[/url] (2.85074323 XMR): $407.80
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/dash]Dash Price[/url] (2.61220613 DASH): $68.00
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/golem]Golem Price[/url] (277.56035550 GLM): $45.40

[b]31. Becassine: $880.45[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bnb]BNB Price[/url] (0.97299927 BNB): $210.68
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/enjin-coin]Enjin Coin Price[/url] (455.04751110 ENJ): $106.56
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/polygon]Polygon Price[/url] (645.42897976 MATIC): $354.33
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/safepal]SafePal Price[/url] (405.34960136 SFP): $208.88

[b]32. internetional: $873.59[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bilira]BiLira Price[/url] (7646.28295070 TRYB): $283.50
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/pax-gold]PAX Gold Price[/url] (0.27425061 PAXG): $525.96
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/zcash]Zcash Price[/url] (1.34084205 ZEC): $33.23
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/dash]Dash Price[/url] (1.18736642 DASH): $30.91

[b]33. DireWolfM14: $871.21[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/monero]Monero Price[/url] (2.71499355 XMR): $388.30
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/dogecoin]Dogecoin Price[/url] (4265.11984987 DOGE): $272.81
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/binance-usd]Binance USD Price[/url] (149.85014985 BUSD): $150.00
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/grin]Grin Price[/url] (2035.05725294 GRIN): $60.11

[b]34. entebah: $867.54[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/dash]Dash Price[/url] (3.56209926 DASH): $92.72
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/cardano]Cardano Price[/url] (1014.61862515 ADA): $258.97
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/horizen]Horizen Price[/url] (21.73913043 ZEN): $164.57
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bnb]BNB Price[/url] (1.62166545 BNB): $351.29

[b]35. Koal-84: $839.46[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/cardano]Cardano Price[/url] (1217.54235018 ADA): $310.80
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/pirate-chain]Pirate Chain Price[/url] (636.01296194 ARRR): $126.50
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/sundaeswap]SundaeSwap Price[/url] (20800.46859296 SUNDAE): $163.80
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/tezos]Tezos Price[/url] (347.05207030 XTZ): $238.36

[b]36. Royse777: $808.24[/b]
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/kucoin-shares]KuCoin Price[/url] (61.63328197 KCS): $253.93
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bnb]BNB Price[/url] (1.21624909 BNB): $263.35
[url=https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/cardano]Cardano Price[/url] (1014.61862515 ADA): $259.08
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Ratimov used code-tags to limit the size of the data, but it would be much better if the BBCode would still be processed. Currently it's not possible to add a scroll bar to a quote.
2868  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [BPIP] Bitcointalk Public Information Project [Back in Action] on: September 01, 2023, 08:58:20 AM
It's a fiber connection that has pretty good speed and is economical too but I don't have any idea about the high ping factor but it used to be in this way.
It's normal for ping to go up when you max out your upload.
2869  Economy / Reputation / Re: LoyceV's notification bot (7 days retroactive) on: September 01, 2023, 08:55:38 AM
I can't access bot from 2 days, can you help? is there some problem maybe?
The server switched to CloudFront a couple of months ago, to get rid of the DDOS attack. My guess is it's somehow blocking you for that reason. Here, it works, even on Tor browser. I'll notify @suchmoon, I can't really fix this myself.

Meanwhile, I can upload the files to a different server. See: tmp.loyce.club/notifications/.
2870  Other / Meta / Re: Trust flags on: September 01, 2023, 08:52:27 AM
If a scammer steals money and leaves escrow to deal with the fallout (~) then I don't think this counts as the flagged user making the victims whole
That's the part open for discussion. You could argue the escrow was part of the user planning ahead for contingencies.

Maybe we need to have new flag type created for cases like this, because there is chance this could repeat again in future.
In that case, it may work to require 10+ Supporters for that Flag, to make it really a rare thing. But I doubt we'll see another Flag just for a once-in-4-years anomaly.

This whole case just doesn't look anything like any other scam I seen in my life
Agreed. It's intriguing.

I think it's better just to expand the operation of a 3 type flag on the situations like this one if they will ever again happen.
Any suggestion on a better wording for the Flag, that also still matches other existing Flags?

I know this question is directed to Theymos, but let me also give my view.
That's why I asked it in public Wink

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This kind of business is based on huge trust since they handle a lot of money. If it wasn't for the escrow fund (which by the way is unusual since we see so many services around here not depositing any escrow fund), then there would be so many victims around and who knows how many more victims there might be.
Correct. I've seen arguments that the service used an escrow to "buy" trust. On the other hand, the escrow actually helped so the "trust" it may have "bought" was deserved in this case.

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I think this is similar to a person asking for a loan using collateral, but then they default the loan. You use collateral to get your money back, but your perspective and trust toward the borrower will definitely change forever.
Not really: a borrower who needs to send collateral didn't have any trust to begin with.
2871  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [Contest][ALT] Best portfolio 2023 on: September 01, 2023, 08:38:18 AM
Considering the $780 first prize this year, how likely is this to be manipulated? Let's say someone picked a low-volume altcoin that nobody uses, and right before the deadline places a $200 market buy order. He buys everything there is to buy, the price skyrockets, and suddenly his portfolio is worth $10,000.
I'm not much into altcoins and I can't easily check if there is a coin for which this would be possible, but it seems like a scenario that can happen.
2872  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [JUST IN] Grayscale wins lawsuit against the SEC on: August 31, 2023, 01:53:06 PM
some individuals want to use their personal disposable income to hoard coin privately by themselves, they also want their employment retirement plan to invest into the exposure of bitcoin which can only be done via official regulated financial tools like ETF
That would indeed the only "valid" reason to use a Bitcoin ETF. I like to get the tax benefits of pension investments, but currently can't get that with Bitcoin.
2873  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: List of all Bitcoin addresses with a balance on: August 31, 2023, 01:35:36 PM
For all of you, a script which downloads and converts LoyceV addresses to brainflayer bloom filter.
I've added it to the OP:
If you want to create a brainflayer bloom filter: pbies wrote a guide.

Note that I haven't tested it, so as always, do your own research. You shouldn't be messing with bloom filters if you don't know what you're doing anyway Wink
2874  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [WARNING] Whirlwind.money - withdrawals are not being processed ⚠️ on: August 31, 2023, 01:26:42 PM
I've changed my stance on the type 3 Flag:
@decodx: you should withdraw your Flag:
I can also confirm that I received the full amount of my deposit to WhirlWind.
I've removed my Support and Opposed for your Flag. Anyone who Supported the Flag should consider doing the same.
After reading many different views, "do nothing" seems better now. I'm neither Supporting nor Opposing the type 3 Flag (but I do Support the type 1 Flag).
2875  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: What happened to Coinomi? on: August 31, 2023, 11:30:58 AM
And no Ethereum  Huh I thought this could be the third one in the list too.
I'd suggest Alpha wallet [1] for Ethereum
I'd suggest to stay away from Ethereum. It's a centrally controlled premined shitcoin that abandoned it's USP the moment it was convenient for the creator. After that, it got worse by spamming and scamming thousands if not millions of people with made-up useless tokens. That's not how crypto is supposed to be.

Back on topic:
If you don't want to run your own node, then why not just use the GUI wallet from https://www.getmonero.org/ and connect to a third party node?
I didn't know that's a possibility. I'll have to look into the differences between GUI wallet and Feather. I quickly checked Feather yesterday, but couldn't find how to import a private key.

Or alternatively, Coinomi (of all places!) has forked Ian Coleman's paged and implemented the same thing. Just enter your seed phrase and select "Monero" from the drop down menu and it will spit out your Monero seed phrase:
https://coinomi.github.io/tools/bip39/

Obviously do all this on an airgapped device.
Thanks, I'll start here.
2876  Other / Meta / Re: Trust flags on: August 31, 2023, 07:06:29 AM
Question @theymos: what if a custodial website owner ended all communications, disabled withdrawals, still accepts deposits, but had enough money in escrow to cover all current victims?
I'm talking about the whirlwindmoney case. As far as I know, this is the first time this happened since the Flag system was created.

Based on this:
Creating or supporting a scammer flag is actively affirming a set of pretty clear fact-statements.
I think the type 3 Flag can't be Supported in this case. But I also know it's one large deposit away from someone losing their money. It needs a big red warning banner, but (the way I read it) can't get one right now. It's a rare case that doesn't seem to fit the Flag system, and a Newbie warning Flag seems insufficient.
2877  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [WARNING] Whirlwind.money - withdrawals are not being processed ⚠️ on: August 31, 2023, 06:53:21 AM
I made another part bold: there are no damages anymore.
No more damages that we know.
We can't really Flag someone for things we don't know. The moment someone creates a new type 3 Flag with new evidence, I'll gladly Support it again.

However, I remain of the opinion that one should not strictly adhere to every letter or rule if they indicate the same thing. At least while the ww service is active with deposit enabled and withdrawal disabled. Every kind of warning is needed in such cases.
This might be worth getting a clarification from theymos on the intended use of the Flag system in this case. As far as I know the Flag system is the only part of the Trust system which is supposed to stick to strict rules.

Technically speaking, I think my Flag is still valid. Here's why:

I made a deposit of 0.004 BTC with the aim of coin mixing, and I expected the same amount of BTC (minus fees) as stated in the contract (Whirlwind official ANN and Whirlwind.money FAQ). On August 14, 2023, the value of 1 BTC was around $29,500. This makes the equivalent of my deposit about $117.50.

What eventually happened is that on August 18th and 20th, I received a total of 104 DAI from the escrow, which is equivalent to $104.00. So, as I see it, Whirlwind still violated a written contract, resulting in damages, specifically because:

  • My BTC was exchanged for an altcoin without my consent and at a less favorable rate.
  • My coins weren't mixed as expected using their service.
  • My anonymity was compromised because I was forced to share private information with third parties.
  • I had to put in extra effort and time (sending multiple inquiries to their customer support, PMs, making my case public, contacting the escrow custodian, gathering evidence, etc.) to claim my compensation rights.
I'd argue all this falls under the "make the victims of this act roughly whole" part. When you received the amount from escrow, you could have used it to buy the same amount of Bitcoin again. It's not perfect, but your loss was (more or less) covered.

There's another reason: Flags should encourage people to do the right thing, and when that happens, the Flag becomes invalid. The unique thing here is that WWM didn't do anything but it happened anyway. The only thing stopping me from going for the "hit by a bus"-scenario is the message WWM sent to Hhampuz.
None of this makes sense.

I disagree with LoyceV interpretation of that text
That's okay Smiley

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I won't remove my vote on the old one unless I am convinced otherwise.
That's how it should be Smiley
The Flag system is like a democracy. I like it Smiley

I am tagging everyone who is still supporting old decodx flag.
Um.. What? Why? Did you read my previous comment?

Maybe you just didn't pick the right words, but that kinda sounded like a threat.
The word he was looking for is "mentioning", not "tagging". On Bitcointalk, the word "tagging" is used for (red) feedback.

Finally, the flag clearly says AND, meaning that both points need to be covered even if some thinks one point of it isn't valid anymore.

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whirlwindmoney did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act.
You're reading this wrong. The AND is required for Supporting the Flag, which means you can't Support it if only one of the parts is true. So if there's damage, AND it wasn't forgiven, the Flag can be Supported. But if there's no damage AND it wasn't forgiven, the Flag becomes invalid. Or, if there is damage AND it was forgiven, the Flag also becomes invalid.
Think of it as a logical operator.

While I trust Loyce judgment I think he got it wrong this time, removing vote may be "ok", but going as far as opposing the flag is surely wrong IMO, it is like saying the whole story was a lie and WW did nothing bad
That's not what Opposing a Flag means. Opposing a Flag only means that that specific Flag is incorrect at that moment. There are more scammers on Bitcointalk who have many inactive Flags, until they received a correct one which was Supported. Inactive Flags mean nothing, neither good nor bad.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see a big red warning shown to everyone above their topics. But it should be based on a Flag I can agree on, based on the rules that the Flag system was created on.

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whirlwindmoney did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act.
Btw, I still got around $12 left on my whirlwind note but didn’t want to waste anyone’s time for such low amount, so the victims weren’t all made whole. Tongue
Lol. I don't think that's a valid loophole Tongue
2878  Other / Meta / Re: Decoupling message IDs from topic IDs (SMF patch) on: August 31, 2023, 05:53:11 AM
Added, thanks!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=*.msg62772227#msg62772227
It works! Thank you and OP so much!
2879  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [WARNING] Whirlwind.money - withdrawals are not being processed ⚠️ on: August 30, 2023, 05:09:35 PM
Will wait for a flag of 1 type, to vote again.
I created one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3207
2880  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Whirlwind.money | ⚡No Fee⚡ | Ultimate Privacy | Anonymity Mining 12% APR🔥 on: August 30, 2023, 05:04:23 PM
The fact that it is still possible to make a deposit on their site without the possibility of withdrawal deserves a red flag.
I agree.

But:
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You strictly adhere to the rules of which flag is for which case
That is literally how the Flag system is supposed to be used. Read theymos' post on the Flag system. It looks like a shortcoming in the Flag system for a rare case.

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whirlwind mixer is for avoid.
Agreed.
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