I got them at 9.80 (boosted) but it was 9/1 for some time. Outrights were available about 4 months ago, and Messi had yet to turn on his PSG powermode at the time. Brazil was Brazil...


Nice one! I thought I wouldn't be able to place any bets but forgot the game today is afternoon, so just perfectly lined up (I initially thought it would be evening games as the semis were).

Was very surprised to see Harko the slight favourite -- but I don't mind keeping my faith in him

My bets have indeed been settled! Unfortunately, I'm going to be out all day until the match, so not sure if can place bets. Depends a lot on whether my mobile connection is friendly to me, and whether I will be allowed to be on my phone long enough without causing daggers in my back haha. Edit: Specials are out. Harko's the favourite, noooo! Haha. 1.75, don't let me down Harko my pick for the winner since Group Stages ended.

GL to Slam and Kanapka too of course! I'll see if I can also bet on you haha, same odds again I expect?

Morocco odds are slowly going down, which doesn't make sense... injuries, tiredness... but I suppose the goalscorers are what bookies think will make the difference. Or maybe rest of the world is betting on Morocco?


Yeah, it's generally higher-quality when your national players play in better quality clubs, and AFC clubs are very weak in that respect outside of the ones you already know have deals to train with clubs outside, better infrastructure etc. I still think the it's sometimes a different proposition when national teams who play together a lot play against better ones that don't train together a lot.

Also because of formats, shorter tournaments like WC do benefit the underdog more -- a small sample of games, get a team overperforming for 2/3 games and you get out of group stage at the expense of one or two big teams.

I believe in cycles, I just don't think they will anymore behave in the same way (I use the term amplitudes, to refer to the highs and lows as multiples of the previous cycle's highs/bottoms).

It was barely 200% for the current ATH (compared to the previous). 220k will be closer to 300%. I don't disagree, in fact am very open to amplitudes no longer following a pattern as this cycle has already invalidated one bottom pattern (that the current cycle's bottom will never be lower than the past cycle's ATH).

Tipping? Unless it is directly one to one, it goes through a corporation anyway and relies on the service provider to share and distribute the tips. Only time one to one happens now is delivery. Even at caterig business it all goes into some pool you hope works out for the guy you really want to tip.

Want to say Bitcoin is the way out of this but most times I use Bitcoin to buy something it still goes through a Bitpay or similar processor, if not a gift card company accepting BTC topups.

I even will admit most of my liquidation still goes through a third party for escrow protection so yeah, I do get paid directly thanks to Bitcoin and I love that... Sadly I don't get to pass it on directly very much.

Yeah, think I was pondering that very point just before we kicked off this one.

Then, I was saying the 3-team group format was laying the groundwork for all kinds of nonsense by the second game, though I've now learnt that this particular method is not finalised (I honestly can't see how it could work, just too many ways to collude).

@casperBGD Also definitely agree Asia getting 33% more slots than S America does seem a bit overrated -- but at the same time, this is AFC slots, I believe, which actually includes almost the entire Middle East (and Australasia). I've been saying for a while there are some Central Asian club outfits just a tick below the likes of Iran and Saudi who probably are at least as good as some UEFA and Concacaf teams (and the fact UEFA actually admitting Kazakhstan who left AFC).

And then apparently Russia is seriously considering to join AFC from UEFA, they'll probably take an extra spot.

It's football gerrymandering and money...

Always say we're as likely to go up as to go down, but the apparent weakness in buyer territory now is really hard to ignore. It does look like we'll survive the year already seeing its bottom, but there's just too much and too far ahead to weather in 2023 to discount another bottom over the next few months.

Definitely agree 10k has always felt psychological (then again, I thought 20k being 2017 ATH should have been even more forceful as a psychological support but that gave way relatively easily).

Mmm, and you did all that not knowing Terra would happen in May and then FTX months after, so you probably benefited from quite a bit of that, I honestly don't think we'd have even touched 2017 ATH without those two, not that something else wouldn't have happened.

I think 16k's support at minimum -- though a lot of people, myself included, am somewhat perplexed that key numbers this week suggesting softer landings only resulted in a temporary attempt at 18k before settling down back to familiar 17k...

Notwithstanding the final 4-3-free up on Argentina-France (I've won 4 $10 the whole tournament), https://sportsbet.io/sports/4-3-free ...

,,,few other things can remind you that it's going to be back to business as usual with club football then the new Bet-free-6-6 up and running already: https://sportsbet.io/sports/bet-free-6-6

One of these days, I'm going to snag that 100k USDT haha. Liverpool 3-0 is my pick for the Villa game, but there are tricky games there. Funnily enough, I haven't made anything from any of the freebets, came close many times, but that's how it goes.

I do gain either 4 mbtc or 80 USDT from the final though, having had outrights on both teams from early on. Nice consolation =)

^ Mm! I like the smell of Championship games on Friday so I've gone with B'ham to kick off my stylish World Cup acca, and then 1 live game from totally random fixture, capped off with 1 future game (Liverpool's first game back in the EPL haha).

This should be fun, either way. If I'm still alive by Morocco might even cash out.

Yeah, 99% is a bit self-serving, because there's going to be a lot of business in custodial services once they've milked institutional custody (and Quadriga tells us there are still plenty of businesses doing self custody as DooMAD says).

Definitely have said so myself that it's not for everyone -- in which case, it's independent money and not so much Bitcoin that's not for everyone. Nothing wrong with that, but people should be able to make that choice, and have the awareness necessary to make that choice.

1. 3-1 Morocco, 29
2. 3-2 Argentina, 36

Yeah, I'm mathematically out of this, so I'm going to go in on what bookmakers say are the unlikeliest outcomes (maybe take a look at some of the outlier correct scores) and hope everyone else at the top fails with expected results. It's really the only way to break into top 10 with 6 points to play for and 2.5 points to catch up. So only a perfect score on Saturday that everyone else gets wrong gets us normies up heh.

Never mind all the mistakes he made with awarding multi-million dollar grants to random companies lobbying for him or his supporters, that's always what governments do, dictator or not.

Just not even sure the coins he bought (with public funds) were agreed upon by the people (rhetorical query) or if they were even able to decide what to do with it, or even if they knew how to control it (if it's really for their future).

Again, adoption's got no short cuts, not even with paying several million dollars.

And very quickly, it's my pick of the tourney to go through! Now it's up to you to burn my final bridge down

If it comes through, Harko, not only do you owe me a lot of beers if we ever meet up, I can join Trofolink as Sojoracle for non-premium predictor subscriptions

I wonder how many other people made consolation money on Harkorede/casperBGD making it through to the final.

Slaman and kanapka still play for a slightly bigger prize (3rd place) right?

Just sort of made me realise also that this forum, despite being really low tech, is probably worst suited to the sort of connection a person might have in developing countries. Before getting into power, internet, etc... the access is a bit of a problem:

Mobile phones, very low-end smartphones with built-in browsers anyway, is how I know most people will ever be able to use internet, but it's a huge pain to navigate this forum on mobile, much less type out things easily, use the codes, quotes... I know because I use it a lot on mobile. It's a huge inconvenience but I still use it as I commute a lot.

It's easier to use social media to type and see and respond to things than it is on the forum, I completely understand why people don't fall in love and stay (and why my son keeps laughing at me responding on forum on my phone).

To me, adoption has never really just meant sticking up a logo of Bitcoin and saying you accept payment, though. And I don't mean that shops putting up Bitcoin logos and country's saying Bitcoin's legal aren't useful, it's just a very superficial (if visible) step.

I say this having visited Bitcoin "cities", BTC merchants, ATMs, etc. Only to face cashiers who don't know how to use the system,  much less explain what Bitcoin is. ATMs that don't work, shops who need you to scan a QR code and nothing else when you were expecting to just have a BTC address ready.

Adoption is people using it, often, a lot, other than for trading. And I've found it doesn't need a country to say it's legal, doesn't need ATMs all around, doesn't need stickers all over the place.

Awareness is amazing (who's online and not aware of Bitcoin today?), but it isn't adoption.

Crazy overhead kick from Yamiq damn! And Lloris is already with 1 save (I thought 2 but stats seem to only count the first, guess the post would have saved him anyway?) so if he keeps a clean sheet and saves another, it affects quite a few of you...

I'm trying to see all the responses from all you guys, since I got money riding on it haha and it seems to me slaman-casper is tricky. Advantage casper I think but if Giroud scores/assists and it's all over as slaman had the earlier goal prediction, even if casper gets the point from Lloris, it's a tie, so yeah it all hangs on Giroud.

For Harko-kanapka, it's too early, France score one more goal, and advantage Harko. France scores again in 2nd half, and I think Harko wins, but as soon as Morocco score, then it's advantage kanapka! Tiebreaker advantage Harko. Everyone predicted a first half goal, huh!


Yeah, I think 10/11 lineup correct was the QF, but no room for error in semis, and everyone got it wrong, that's awesome haha. And this is awesome, that at HT, nothing is determined in either semifinal.

It's going to be a cracker of a final quiz, the way this is turning out!

Partly for spam reasons... main threads get a lot of spam posts, while pool participants, being paying members, actually have something decent to say with money riding on their predictions. That's the idea anyway, I do spew quite a bit of nonsense even when I'm bottom table only playing for yellow caps haha.

And yeah, H2H more correct outcomes (doesn't matter exact close or correct) counts as tiebreaker, so Slissy got more results (35 correct results) than you did (33 correct results). 11 exact results is 2 more than the next best one, not bad!

@Charles-Tim @hosseinimir93

I only wondered about coin chains. Because I'm not sure how it worked, but hosseinimr93 suggests that they are all combined together anyway so then my question is no longer important... and I will send the coin I need as fee (and just spend it all as a fee).

@o_e_l_e_o yeah thanks for that explanation, which helps me understand a bit more (after 6 years, haha). I'd always somehow assumed that coin trails are quite specific... and "taint" goes deeper than address linkage, to actual input/coin linkage.

To offer an explanation of why I asked or what I thought as I asked -- in my mind, and again, I don't mind sounding dumb here:
Inputs A, B, C (let's say) come from sources A, B, C, all sitting on the same address. I don't know these sources, but it doesn't matter, as all these inputs will be sent to Entity X, Y, Z, and I am only a "custodian" that will never need to declare the source inputs. MY address merely hosted it.

Input D (which I intended to use for fee) is from my own source, on a different address, which I may need to verify and prove if need be. I figured, if I only used input D to pay the fee and the change is sent back to me from input D, that's fine.

But I now understand it doesn't work that way. Everything is combined, so I will have to send the fee separately... I did not want to touch the Inputs A, B, C, or the balance on the address but it's probably more cosmetic than anything else.

Hope that made sense, I'll lock topic. Thank you all!