Darksend is a remake of coinjoin. Enough said  All the props to coinjoin for laying down the foundation! Remake? There wasn't a MAKE to begin with. It was a model outline. Gmaxwell didn't code it. He said that's how I think of it and perhaps someone can build it (and be mad enough to get associated as an enabler of criminal activity  ). Evan of DRK did it (in a different way because the model had problems) and he's now all over the world news. Anyway in the words of the "Father": Sounds great! Where is it?Theres the rub: There exist no ready made, easy-to-use software for doing this. You can make the transactions by hand using bitcoin-qt and the raw transactions API, as we did in that "taint rich" thread, but to make this into a practical reality we need easy-to-use automated tools. ... Personally, most of my coding brain capacity is spent on other things which are even more important to me. And what I could spare on Bitcoin is spent on more core and security things— if I work on anything wallet related anytime soon it will likely be improving the privacy behavior of coin selection... But moreover: Anyone who builds this is going to be accused of enabling criminal activity, it doesn't matter if any actual criminals use this or not: Criminal activity sells headlines. Being a Bitcoin core developer already fills my quota for accusations of this kind, especially my quota for risk that I'm not even paid for. In reality, real criminals don't need CoinJoin if they have even the slightest clue: They can afford to buy privacy in a way that regular users cannot, it's just a cost of their (often lucrative) business. .... I know that making such a tool doesn't fit into the get-rich-quick mold of many Bitcoin businesses, but the importance is self-apparent and the simplest versions of this don't require very deep technical wizardry. I think the "political" risk of improving people's privacy is a real one that you should carefully consider, but around these parts I see people sticking their names on some rather outrageously risky stuff. I'd hoped the "taint rich" thread would be enough to inspire some community action, but perhaps this will be. So, instead, I ask you: Where is it? |
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Just curious, how many coins after DRK have tried to implement an anonymity feature to take advantage of the hype? And how many of those coins have actually managed to release a functioning anonymity feature?
I've done some prospecting a while earlier, I saw around 4-5 coins claim to have projects in the works or to be anonymous wallets (scams - amateurish). I'm only counting bitcoin-code base, not bytecoin clones. XLB is the most epic fail. The did a bounty to hire a dev, he couldn't do it and then they hired a chinese software firm to do it for them (which will be commencing work sometime soon I suppose). That'll end up well.  I'd counter that saying bankcoin did it worse by claiming that already had darksend implimented and running Lol, yes, I had read about that... you are right. |
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Probably the problem also for them is that they think it's just "a basic coin mixer".
Hey those are the words I heard in the Dark forum, all other coin mixers like Fedora or XC are shit but Dark's is somehow special...even though if it was so special why did it have to change to the masternodes concept...and if the masternodes concept is perfect why will it now be replaced by something "better" than ring signatures after MRO and BCN came out with guns blazing... It will not be replaced and ring sigs may not be used after all due to bloat issues. We'll see how it goes in RC3 (dev keeping things under wraps for the anonymity upgrade). Regarding the mixer, yes it's special because it's trustless and decentralized. Otherwise when you send money to a mixing node, the mixing node can take the money and run. That's not possible with DRK. DRK also has denomination pool to join similar sized amounts so that one cannot identify which is which. Does a simple mixer have that? No. The masternode concept doesn't have a problem per se, the problem is in the payments. Masternodes operate ok right now. Why not cut to the chase and work on the FINAL ultimate solution instead of building out these semi-anonymous methods of coin obfuscation along the way towards the final product? Oh right because RC1, RC2, RC 4 and RC4 are cute buzzwords to help build up hype and collect more ca$h along the way.
Darksend has gone from pre-alpha, to beta1 through 6 and rc1 to 2... prices started moving after like beta 6 or something. They were pretty stable in every version. |
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true Yep, DRK is a good coin, but I dont think they realise the masternodes could be its biggest weakness not strength.. If the coin gets a very high value a masternode will need to be like fort knox.. One on Amazon has already been hacked... Owner lost 1000 DRK, so its not a laughing matter.
It depends on how you see it really. It invites *competent* people to do the masternode running. If someone does not have the necessary security awareness to protect his money and the node, then he shouldn't be running a node (or if he has done no basic security, then he also deserves to get hacked). You don't want your transactions going through some idiot's node. You want the node to be operated by someone who knows what he is doing. So, in that sense, it's a strength. |
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Just curious, how many coins after DRK have tried to implement an anonymity feature to take advantage of the hype? And how many of those coins have actually managed to release a functioning anonymity feature?
I've done some prospecting a while earlier, I saw around 4-5 coins claim to have projects in the works or to be anonymous wallets (scams - amateurish). I'm only counting bitcoin-code base, not bytecoin clones. XLB is the most epic fail. The did a bounty to hire a dev, he couldn't do it and then they hired a chinese software firm to do it for them (which will be commencing work sometime soon I suppose). That'll end up well. |
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There's a bug inherited by all CryptoNote coins where a transaction gets stuck in the tx_pool because of disagreements between the wallet and daemon. When this happens, your tx fails and doesn't show up on the blockchain, but you start seeing spent key image errors when trying to spend again. This will be fixed in the next release, but for now if you want to send large amounts, do it in batches less than 100 MRO.
The bug was actually not really a bug at all (except in BBR, because they were on the old BCN codebase). At least afaik. Transaction fees were change to 5 * 10^9 AMU several days ago in the main branch and in the windows client. However, a bunch of users failed to upgrade and sending tx through without proper fees, and their tx were getting stuck in limbo. All clients need to update their software to the latest fees schedule as previously indicated.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6993826#msg6993826Hmm... that may also present an attack vector, in the sense of someone running intentionally a lot of problematic clients in the network to prevent the network from transacting. Some check has to be performed so that when there is an older client => rejected or something. It's not acceptable to expect 100% compatibility from all so that the network can play. |
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Its not at the moment because of fucking scams like XC. Everything else is a complete fucking rip-off from darkcoin, DarkSend will be too.
Darksend is at heart a basic coin mixer, I thought coin mixers were shit so what's the problem of releasing the source? Also if there is one ultimate reason to audit the code...is to know that BOTH Evan or Dan aren't fed honey pots To make something like coinjoin work is problematic for various reasons as it has many weaknesses and requires multiple work-arounds or tradeoffs. There is a reason why coins that try to do what DRK has done, fail. Libertycoin hired a dev with a bounty and failed. They are assigning it to "chinese software company". XC is just a centralized mixer a la fedoracoin. Who has decentralized mixer? Oh, yes, noone except Darksend. DarkSend will be opensourced after RC4 + bugfixes. That's the public development plan. Asic technology company (atcsecure) is racing against the clock. If one cannot code, instead creates fake id to gain some trust, and try to create decentralized coin mixer, what is the chance he can find someone capable doing it? As far as i found, this is nearly impossible in a reasonable timespan... As Anonymint said: Coinjoin is a can of worms to make it work. Evan has been trying various versions since February and altering the code continuously so that problems arising in one implementation can be fixed in the next one. There is "somewhat" of an experiential knowledge headstart in this department. If XC dev is legit and he tries to do what he promises to do, expect problems of one sort or the other that will need time to get fixed. It's not something that can be done in a week or two. If the price gets ahead of the product, then people will declare it problematic even if it is in active development. |
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=> - RC2 (magic numbers changed to darkcoin, DGW3) : May 14th
- RC2 (masternode payments) : May 25th
- RC3 (10 DRK limit and denominated change) : June 14th
- After this, I'll find someone to vet the code and open source.
- RC4 (Bugs, security issues)
- Testing, then opensource
The masternode issues and the 3rd fork for the 25th actually messed up the schedule. I've been rewriting much of the code masternode technology (released yesterday, if you haven't updated please do!)
There's still some oddities with the election voting system that I'm going to tackle this next week. This I'll start working again on RC3 .
It's in the development plan. Expect delays though due to May 25 issues. |
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Its not at the moment because of fucking scams like XC. Everything else is a complete fucking rip-off from darkcoin, DarkSend will be too.
Darksend is at heart a basic coin mixer, I thought coin mixers were shit so what's the problem of releasing the source? Also if there is one ultimate reason to audit the code...is to know that BOTH Evan or Dan aren't fed honey pots To make something like coinjoin work is problematic for various reasons as it has many weaknesses and requires multiple work-arounds or tradeoffs. There is a reason why coins that try to do what DRK has done, fail. Libertycoin hired a dev with a bounty and failed. They are assigning it to "chinese software company". XC is just a centralized mixer a la fedoracoin. Who has decentralized mixer? Oh, yes, noone except Darksend. DarkSend will be opensourced after RC4 + bugfixes. That's the public development plan. |
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WHERE is the peer review for Darksend?
What code do you suspect Evan of copying? EXACTLY... He could have copied everything or even have hidden mining code for himself. Who would know without a PEER REVIEW?? Copied everything? From who? DarkSend was the first decentralized implementation. There was no other. That's precisely how you would know. |
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I'm sorry, but I don't know if anyone posted this, but I just noticed it in my email:
From the mailing list:
Hello,
We're doing research into what caused the blockchain fork and it would
be incredibly useful if someone by chance still had a daemon on the
bad fork.
If you do, please zip the ~/.darkcoin folder up and send it to us for
debugging. We really only need the folders blocks and chainstate.
Thanks!
Darkcoin Team
We the dev team sent those out, if anyone has the info you can send them to evan@darkcoin.ioJust dont send the wallet.dat Ok... sorry if I caused any panic for hacking attempts, but we must be careful these days  |
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I'm sorry, but I don't know if anyone posted this, but I just noticed it in my email:
From the mailing list:
Hello,
We're doing research into what caused the blockchain fork and it would
be incredibly useful if someone by chance still had a daemon on the
bad fork.
If you do, please zip the ~/.darkcoin folder up and send it to us for
debugging. We really only need the folders blocks and chainstate.
Thanks!
Darkcoin Team
DO NOT DO THATThe .darkcoin folder contains your wallet.dat and your money. EDIT: If it's a legit request by Evan etc, send him what he requested specifically. If it's some kind of hacker, fuck them. Send nothing. Use discretion. |
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CryptoPump.info @CryptoPumpInfo 4 min #X11 #XC #x11coin code has been peer-reviewed by @Crypt0Trader. The review showed that the coin mixer code is unique. http://goo.gl/CszBK9time to take your loss @ sellling cheap coins This Crypt0Trader guy can't even read a blockchain. He was calling a normal transaction in a DRK block as a "hidden premine" (May 26 on twitter). How has he peer reviewed code if he can't tell the difference between a block generation + fees and a transaction? This guy is pumping XC and FUD'ing DRK intentionally. Just saying. |
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How do the exchanges make their money?
Well, I know they take a % of every trade, and exit.
But what do they do with shit alt-coins?
Do they exchange them as they go, or play the market, etc, and buy BTC?
Fee on every transaction and withdrawal. If you transact DRK, they have a fee that they take in DRKs. They then sell it and get BTCs. |
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Pump in progress... 0.017+ Whoever was buying yesterday from weak hands declaring the death of Dark at 0.01 is 70% up - not bad for a single day. It seems the lady trader who represents just the 6% of women in cryptos, indeed had more balls than others as she pointed out. hey guys DRK is going up for good or just a pump?
Who knows. |
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On a short-term horizon, probably, BCN rate is likely to drop. The exchange does not show any serious changes in trading volumes - which probably means no one from the old community is trying to sell his coins which are "about to be destroyed".
My guess is the competitors (Darkcoin or other cryptonote coins) are having their own kind of fun to confuse the investors and miners.
I doubt Darkcoin considers BCN a threat (80% premine = DOA). And I also doubt other cryptonote coins would likely generate fud about techniques to destroy coins with secret keys (!?!?!) because it would be like shooting themselves on the foot if the architecture supports something like this. It is corrosive to the trust to the bytecoin-type blockchain. So what is going on here beyond "this is fud"? Is that guy in some mailing list and getting his coins "deleted"? If yes, how? |
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I hope everyone realizes that Windows 8 phones home to Microsoft and Microsoft built backdoors into it. If you are running Windows 8 or Skype on any version of Windows (and maybe on any operating system), you may have no secrets as everything on your hard disk could have already been recorded. And any communications you are doing, even with something like Bitmessage, Tor, or other anonymizing client, could be revealed to the powers-that-be.
Would it be a stretch to assume hardware (cpus, mobos/bios'es, phones etc) created post-2013 will be rooted specifically for reporting / tracking / spying cryptocurrency use, and that a safer way to use cryptos would be to use older hardware (prior to crypto-boom)? Or you can just remove the rooted software (ie windoze) and install debian or some other GNU/Linux flavor where you own the computer. I do run linux for personal use for ~10 years but I fear new hardware is bypassing the software at a firmware level - perhaps even forming some kind of cooperative grid (cards, disks, mobos / bioses, cpus etc). |
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Secondly, what is this idea of top-secret keys no one has heard of?
Several forks of bytecoin have been launched - this type of keys would have surely been mentioned somewhere already.
The basics of the whole philosophy of cryptonote and bytecoin is decentralization and anonimity - there cannot be such a thing as a secret key to destroy coins.
THIS. WTF is going on. How can someone just have his one billion coins deleted by the devs? |
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Holy shit, you have to be kidding. I've seen idiots drinking Kool Aid but now this guy owns a REIT? LOLOLOL
He doesn't own it moron, he is a CONSULTANT, read his Linkedin. You are going to be a pump and dump shitcoin. Your leader created the coin to take matters into his own hand about all the injustice of Darkcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600706.msg7017281#msg7017281He came out of the closet already. People are looking for exit points. Even Blackcoin puts you guys to shame. WTF, you can't make this stuff up: XC dev: and for the record, this is only a small piece of my background... I saw the opportunity and the scam of DRK, 1.5Million pre-mine? the air drop?? ... so I decided to build a product based on a vision and I have the experience across the various markets to make this work and bring it all together.. mobile, Point Of Sale, ATM, NFC/RFID..etc
...the shit was stirred in April by cryptohunter and company and was copypasted all the time "oh what would happen if another dark came along with no instamine"... now we know. Opportunists with scam rip-off mentality trying to capitalize on the back of DRK's success. |
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Not true, 20-30 minutes after the tweet is when the epic dump came
Dude get out of this thread. You are only looking for a scapegoat now. Until your so called Dev releases some code that isn't the FedoraCoin Blender, your coin is a shame. One can also find that the "revelation" on DRK's thread was at least 40m earlier than twitter (one page back from the link I'm posting below). I also wrote about the dump here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg7006139#msg7006139...prior to the twitter. |
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