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2921  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 99% of People Will Lose Crypto in Self Custody on: December 15, 2022, 09:04:33 PM
Yeah, 99% is a bit self-serving, because there's going to be a lot of business in custodial services once they've milked institutional custody (and Quadriga tells us there are still plenty of businesses doing self custody as DooMAD says).

Definitely have said so myself that it's not for everyone -- in which case, it's independent money and not so much Bitcoin that's not for everyone. Nothing wrong with that, but people should be able to make that choice, and have the awareness necessary to make that choice.
2922  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Sportsbet.io ⚽ Free Bets Extravaganza ⚽ World Cup Superbru Edition - 🏆 Finals on: December 15, 2022, 06:01:33 PM
1. 3-1 Morocco, 29
2. 3-2 Argentina, 36
2923  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's FIFA World Cup 22 Prediction Pool Discussion thread on: December 15, 2022, 05:58:41 PM
Yeah, I'm mathematically out of this, so I'm going to go in on what bookmakers say are the unlikeliest outcomes (maybe take a look at some of the outlier correct scores) and hope everyone else at the top fails with expected results. It's really the only way to break into top 10 with 6 points to play for and 2.5 points to catch up. So only a perfect score on Saturday that everyone else gets wrong gets us normies up heh.
2924  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Soyapango is proving that Bitcoin adoption alone is not enough on: December 15, 2022, 04:13:27 PM
els salvador made the mistake of buying bitcoin at government level for future benefit of citizens via government investments that will fruition i a few years

Never mind all the mistakes he made with awarding multi-million dollar grants to random companies lobbying for him or his supporters, that's always what governments do, dictator or not.

Just not even sure the coins he bought (with public funds) were agreed upon by the people (rhetorical query) or if they were even able to decide what to do with it, or even if they knew how to control it (if it's really for their future).

Again, adoption's got no short cuts, not even with paying several million dollars.
2925  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽⚽⚽ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk World Cup 2022 - discussion ⚽⚽⚽ on: December 15, 2022, 02:47:19 PM
and since Giroud hit the bench, we have first finalist

And very quickly, it's my pick of the tourney to go through! Now it's up to you to burn my final bridge down Wink

If it comes through, Harko, not only do you owe me a lot of beers if we ever meet up, I can join Trofolink as Sojoracle for non-premium predictor subscriptions Wink

I wonder how many other people made consolation money on Harkorede/casperBGD making it through to the final.

Slaman and kanapka still play for a slightly bigger prize (3rd place) right?
2926  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Some Limitations of Bitcointalk Members from Developing Countries on: December 15, 2022, 01:16:20 PM
Just sort of made me realise also that this forum, despite being really low tech, is probably worst suited to the sort of connection a person might have in developing countries. Before getting into power, internet, etc... the access is a bit of a problem:

Mobile phones, very low-end smartphones with built-in browsers anyway, is how I know most people will ever be able to use internet, but it's a huge pain to navigate this forum on mobile, much less type out things easily, use the codes, quotes... I know because I use it a lot on mobile. It's a huge inconvenience but I still use it as I commute a lot.

It's easier to use social media to type and see and respond to things than it is on the forum, I completely understand why people don't fall in love and stay (and why my son keeps laughing at me responding on forum on my phone).
2927  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Soyapango is proving that Bitcoin adoption alone is not enough on: December 15, 2022, 12:33:15 PM
To me, adoption has never really just meant sticking up a logo of Bitcoin and saying you accept payment, though. And I don't mean that shops putting up Bitcoin logos and country's saying Bitcoin's legal aren't useful, it's just a very superficial (if visible) step.

I say this having visited Bitcoin "cities", BTC merchants, ATMs, etc. Only to face cashiers who don't know how to use the system,  much less explain what Bitcoin is. ATMs that don't work, shops who need you to scan a QR code and nothing else when you were expecting to just have a BTC address ready.

Adoption is people using it, often, a lot, other than for trading. And I've found it doesn't need a country to say it's legal, doesn't need ATMs all around, doesn't need stickers all over the place.

Awareness is amazing (who's online and not aware of Bitcoin today?), but it isn't adoption.
2928  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽⚽⚽ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk World Cup 2022 - discussion ⚽⚽⚽ on: December 14, 2022, 07:51:33 PM
Crazy overhead kick from Yamiq damn! And Lloris is already with 1 save (I thought 2 but stats seem to only count the first, guess the post would have saved him anyway?) so if he keeps a clean sheet and saves another, it affects quite a few of you...

I'm trying to see all the responses from all you guys, since I got money riding on it haha and it seems to me slaman-casper is tricky. Advantage casper I think but if Giroud scores/assists and it's all over as slaman had the earlier goal prediction, even if casper gets the point from Lloris, it's a tie, so yeah it all hangs on Giroud.

For Harko-kanapka, it's too early, France score one more goal, and advantage Harko. France scores again in 2nd half, and I think Harko wins, but as soon as Morocco score, then it's advantage kanapka! Tiebreaker advantage Harko. Everyone predicted a first half goal, huh!

Yeah we made it super though for our semi finalists,  final will be even harder, who gets 2 correct is winner for sure Smiley
Just kidding a bit but we did purposely made some questions a bit harder as the competition progresses. For instance in early rounds you just had to answer who will be forward 3 players while in the last bunch you had to get starting 11 for Argentina correct. And we knew that Di Maria alone was 50:50 and then you had to get all other correct and know that both full backs are missing due to yellow cards.

Yeah, I think 10/11 lineup correct was the QF, but no room for error in semis, and everyone got it wrong, that's awesome haha. And this is awesome, that at HT, nothing is determined in either semifinal.

It's going to be a cracker of a final quiz, the way this is turning out!
2929  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's FIFA World Cup 22 Prediction Pool Discussion thread on: December 14, 2022, 07:34:39 PM
I was wondering why noone was discussing the tournament in the main thread (that's how we do it in the german board) the whole time and am glad that I now found this thread Cheesy

Partly for spam reasons... main threads get a lot of spam posts, while pool participants, being paying members, actually have something decent to say with money riding on their predictions. That's the idea anyway, I do spew quite a bit of nonsense even when I'm bottom table only playing for yellow caps haha.

And yeah, H2H more correct outcomes (doesn't matter exact close or correct) counts as tiebreaker, so Slissy got more results (35 correct results) than you did (33 correct results). 11 exact results is 2 more than the next best one, not bad!
2930  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Using specific input to pay fees on Electrum on: December 14, 2022, 04:55:52 PM
@Charles-Tim @hosseinimir93

I only wondered about coin chains. Because I'm not sure how it worked, but hosseinimr93 suggests that they are all combined together anyway so then my question is no longer important... and I will send the coin I need as fee (and just spend it all as a fee).

@o_e_l_e_o yeah thanks for that explanation, which helps me understand a bit more (after 6 years, haha). I'd always somehow assumed that coin trails are quite specific... and "taint" goes deeper than address linkage, to actual input/coin linkage.

To offer an explanation of why I asked or what I thought as I asked -- in my mind, and again, I don't mind sounding dumb here:
Inputs A, B, C (let's say) come from sources A, B, C, all sitting on the same address. I don't know these sources, but it doesn't matter, as all these inputs will be sent to Entity X, Y, Z, and I am only a "custodian" that will never need to declare the source inputs. MY address merely hosted it.

Input D (which I intended to use for fee) is from my own source, on a different address, which I may need to verify and prove if need be. I figured, if I only used input D to pay the fee and the change is sent back to me from input D, that's fine.

But I now understand it doesn't work that way. Everything is combined, so I will have to send the fee separately... I did not want to touch the Inputs A, B, C, or the balance on the address but it's probably more cosmetic than anything else.

Hope that made sense, I'll lock topic. Thank you all!
2931  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽⚽⚽ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk World Cup 2022 - discussion ⚽⚽⚽ on: December 14, 2022, 04:39:41 PM
Yeah we're only talking about the penalty because it was a semifinal and it opened the floodgates. There were at least 2 penalties (VAR reviewed too!) I remember in groups stages that were really many times softer... anyway, it is what it is.

So both semis tied after 1 game, very low points, go Harko!

We're not getting another extra time tonight, it seems, huh? France will be wanting to end the affair quickly and will probably force the issue...
2932  Bitcoin / Electrum / Using specific input to pay fees on Electrum on: December 14, 2022, 03:38:56 PM
Hey. Sorry if there's already an answer (and please point me to it). And apologies in advance if this ends up being a trivial query...

I need to make a batch transaction using several inputs. They will be specific amounts that use up 100% of the input coins.

I failed to account for fees, however, and instead of sending an additional amount to one of these inputs, I'd prefer to simply use another input to pay for fees, leaving all the spend inputs intact.

so...

Inputs A, B, C, D... to be used to spend, plus Input 1 to pay fees (any balance from this sent back to me).

Is there a way to do this? Coin control only seems to let me select inputs to use, but not to determine which is used to pay for fees.

Perhaps, more importantly, does it make a difference in the coin trail? Or are all inputs combined anyway, before being split up?
2933  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Elon musk listen to bitcoiners not to delete Hal Finney's account on: December 14, 2022, 03:05:09 PM
As others, I did see the news about purging inactive users but never saw to mean including noteworthy verified (or confirmed) users who either are deceased or simply inactive. It's just to clear space for users who genuinely want account names but already taken by squatters/bots/farmers.

Probably might end up affecting genuine inactive accounts who never posted either, but if they've been spam free anyway, don't think they're in the sights of this purge.

Is there a Twitter memorial like FB? That's something Hal's account deserves.

2934  Economy / Economics / Re: Manufacturing orders to China down 40% in unrelenting demand collapse on: December 14, 2022, 10:54:09 AM
Might also remember while hard cash is needed, China is also sitting on a huge and growing pile of foreign reserves (1/3 of the world's foreign reserves, which it of course needs to continue sitting on in the short term to continue their export policy).

Reserves that start to look thinner and tinier when it comes to the amount of debt both the central and regional governments are piling up, just the other day they did another trick to refinance expiring bonds and not count it up
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202212/1281553.shtml

Nice find on those special treasury bonds, especially not healthy when you're considering you don't know how much debt you're actually standing on. CN economists must be feeling like they're treading water in the dark. They really don't want to go down that path.

Though to my eye, even if their real debt turns out to be 400% higher than reported (let's be pessimist), they're still end up with total debt well below GDP (which is how I see sustainable debt management). The US is about to break even (and the minute they stop their wars they're back deep in the red, which is why they won't), while almost the entire EU members already have debt multiple times their GDP. That was the eventual Greek route to bankruptcy (though they do seem to like taking that road a lot!).
2935  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price 2023 on: December 14, 2022, 09:50:41 AM
Yeah I don't really get those waiting to buy at 12? 13? 14k? It's not like they're buying an entire Bitcoin either. Save a few thousand dollars at the risk of missing out when Bitcoin does actually recover and not look back until the next cycle in a few years.

Not looking down on anyone but it was probably the same with me putting away $100 or so every now and then, and thinking I was smart to time, completely overlooking that at my small amount, the numbers really stop making logical sense in terms of time invested trying to time the market when you're DCA-ing long term.

Me neither, I don't get the i dea of holding out for the price to reach that low, a low which
doesn't look like happening.

Just DCA and if miraculously the price does go that low, just buy more.

Yup. I mean, look at where we are right now. About to fight for 18k as the Fed decision approaches later. Just days ago we were below 17k. Even if that 14k was realised, it would have been a short window to get a 15% discount -- but if we do see 18k and then leg up to 2017 ATH where it becomes support, then those waiting would be facing a 15% premium on entry.

DCA would have evened out either scenario.
2936  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's FIFA World Cup 22 Prediction Pool Discussion thread on: December 13, 2022, 08:58:29 PM
Now I am pushing it and I know it will bite me in the ass, but I am also gonna say, Messi shoots first and misses the penalty. We have a way of destroying dreams of big footballing nations.

Damn man, you got me bit in the ass too. I put in a bit more than I should have on Croatia in various ways. FT. ET. Penalties haha... No matter. You had an amazing run with Croatia.

The worst is, I hedged with an Argentina Betbuilder that was just short of 1 Messi tackle to win (I don't even know why I thought it was a brilliant idea, I thought it would go 0-0 and pressure him to press hard):


I did have earlier bets on Argentina but after the Croatia massive win against Brazil, I thought why not...

@Harko: Argentina Morocco final. It might actually be even more epic than France!
2937  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽⚽⚽ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk World Cup 2022 - discussion ⚽⚽⚽ on: December 13, 2022, 03:24:52 PM
Sportsbet really loves you guys... the sidebet Special is up, make some money backing yourself haha. Only active for 2 hours, max bet is 5mbtc!

https://sportsbet.io/sports/sportsbet-specials/daily-specials/bitcointalk-special/matches

in reality I might actually be only guy left in the competition that is from Africa  Huh

A representative from at least 3 continents in the first semis? if kanapka is from the Americas, then we have 4! What a beautiful riot this is turning out to be.

This is my faith in you. Pressure?

2938  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🚀-Sportsbet.io-🚀 - Main sponsor of Southampton FC 👋👋 on: December 13, 2022, 03:13:55 PM
A limited-time Forum Special is now active for the next couple of hours!


Link is here: https://sportsbet.io/sports/sportsbet-specials/daily-specials/matches/today

Wondering what that is? Well, if you've been gambling and on the forum, you won't have missed that Sportsbet.io has been sponsoring a number of sports prediction pools and competitions this season (I count at least 5 season-long pools), including the ongoing World Cup one.

Among many World Cup-themed promotions, there was also a separate Bitcointalk World Cup Competiton with a new quiz format hosted by Cro2 (Trofo & cryptofrka): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419097.0 -- you should check it out if you haven't already to get a taste of what the entrants went through. Many forum regulars, but also newcomers from Club Talk!

Mirroring the World Cup format, 32 of us played in 8 groups before advancing to knockout rounds, answering quizzes related to the current Match Day. I didn't go farther than Last 16, but there are now 4 left in the semifinals. You can check the current progress on this post: here.

A few of the guys who didn't make it wanted to make sidebets on the remaining four contestants. Cro2 put the request to Steve, and well, SB being SB, they very nicely obliged and made this special market!

So... if you feel like backing one of our own forum users to march to the final, place your bets on this special. Max limit is 5mbtc.

Harkorede's my pick, but each one of them has shown quite a bit of expertise in their selections so far.

2939  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Sportsbet.io 🏈 Week #15 Thursday Night Football Giveaway 🏈 on: December 13, 2022, 02:20:34 PM
1. SEA
2. SEA
3. SEA
4. No
5. Under
6. 2nd
7. Even
8. Even
9. SEA
10. SEA

Final Score prediction  22-20
2940  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Sportsbet.io - UFC Fight Night 216 - Multi Master Challenge - (Saturday) on: December 13, 2022, 01:31:41 PM
14. Sean Strickland
13. Arman Tsarukyan
12. Amir Albazi
11. Julian Erosa
10. Drew Dober
9. Michał Oleksiejczuk
8. Cheyanne Vlismas
7. Jake Matthews
6. Julian Marquez
5. Saidyokub Kakhramonov
4. Rafa García
3. Rinat Fakhretdinov
2. Manel Kape
1. Sergey Morozov

Match 14 winner Total Strikes: 68
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