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2941  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price BTC after SegWit2x? on: October 03, 2017, 08:02:10 AM
i think segwit2x will be just the same as BCC fork, when the fork complete, the price will moving up slowly and then recover,and we will get a decent airdrop bitcoin gold. not a bad thing,i hope .

We're talking about two different things here. The BitGold airdrop is slated to happen in late October. That should be a non-event..... I'd be very surprised if that fork were offered on major Bitcoin exchanges. Maybe Poloniex, Bittrex, Cryptopia and other altcoin exchanges, though.

The Segwit2x fork is different, because it's backed by major services, exchanges and miners. I'm not sure what's going to happen. A split seems likely if the BTC1/NYA crowd moves forward with the fork, which would be bad for the price.
2942  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Goldman Sachs is flirting with bitcoin trading on: October 03, 2017, 07:54:52 AM
It's very ironic how something so centralised is showing interest in something created to battle the very essence of banking systems. Having spoken to people in finance almost all have had negative things to say about Bitcoin and most have said it's a bubble waiting to burst.

It's not ironic. They are an investment bank and broker, not a central bank. People often confuse the former with the latter. I'll bet Goldman Sachs was accumulating positions on NVDA for years while watching the cryptocurrency economy blossom. They're good at what they do -- investing and trading. And they're happy to take a fee for brokering crypto investments for clients. Central banks probably don't like the smell of all this, but that's a different matter entirely.
2943  Economy / Speculation / Re: Amazon to accept Bitcoin as early as this October? on: October 02, 2017, 10:28:35 AM
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I don't think it's realistic for a company of Amazon's scale to accept Bitcoin at this point.
and why exactly is that not realistic

Because of a thing called "liquidity." No payment processor can guarantee liquidity for Amazon. So unless you are suggesting that Amazon is going to simply "hodl" the vast majority of BTC received, it's not realistic.

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And if they did, they would need to hedge most or all of the fiat value -- meaning the more that bitcoiners "support" Amazon by spending BTC there, the more immediate downward pressure there is on the price. Spending BTC in this context is equal to selling it.
you think Amazon will sign up on bitstamp or poloniex or coinbase to sell the coins each day Cheesy
because price is determined on those exchanges not the way merchants receive the money. and you seem to not know about how BitPay works by automatically converting bitcoin back to fiat.
also you seem to forget that for every buy there is a sell. someone buys bitcoin to spend so the merchant sell. there will be a balance.

You don't know what "converting bitcoin to fiat" means? That equates to selling pressure by definition (i.e. downward pressure on the price).

I didn't forget that for every buy there is a sell. The point is that, all else equal, merchants accepting bitcoins for payment represents supply, not demand. If you want to have a discussion about why demand for bitcoins is too strong for that to matter because x/y/z, that's a different discussion.

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If people really want the price to go up, they should preach hoarding, not spending. Tongue
price will go up with more adoption, more adoption happens with more people coming in, more people should be coming in to use bitcoin as a currency not just bag hold it to dump for more profit, and that will only happen with more merchants accepting bitcoin, and they will only accept it if people are spending bitcoin.

growth doesn't just happen on its own. there is a limit to how many speculators invest and how much price can go up because of them.

We don't need merchants "accepting" bitcoin only to immediately dump it. What we need are users who use the currency, removed from fiat conversion. We need users who want to buy bitcoins for reasons other than to spend them at merchants who just want dollars.

I'm not saying that Bitcoin doesn't have use as a currency. I'm saying that merchant acceptance at this stage should not be a priority -- not when merchants aren't interested in holding BTC and actually participating in the economy.

Bitcoin = censorship-resistant, trustless money. And digital gold. Not just another payment rail for merchants to add alongside Visa and Mastercard.
2944  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: What is Shared When Paying with Bitcoin? on: October 02, 2017, 10:06:15 AM
So I would like to sign up for an online service but use an alias, not my real information. They accept payment via Bitcoin. If I use a wallet like Coinbase to pay for the site what information does Coinbase share with the site? Does the site receive any information about me?

There is something else to consider here. Coinbase bends over backwards for regulators and law enforcement. They even do blockchain analysis on where you send your coins. People have had their accounts terminated for sending BTC from their Coinbase accounts to gambling sites. I don't even want to know what they do if you're sending BTC to a darknet market.

As far as what Coinbase shares with the site receiving the payment -- not much. They can see that the coins are coming from Coinbase and the IP address of the sender. Like I said, that would not be my first concern.

Not purchasing anything on darknet market..don't even know what it is or how I would, still trying to figure out bitcoin, LOL! It's an adult site that I am trying to remain private on.

You should be fine, then. As far as I know, Coinbase has no issues with adult entertainment. But it's generally good practice to move coins to your own wallet when spending from Coinbase, to avoid a provable connection between you and an illicit site (or a gambling site). I'd hate to get my Coinbase account closed over something like that.

But yeah, they aren't going to give your personal information to any merchant. The merchant can only see the coin source (Coinbase's hot wallet) and their node's IP address. Nothing about you.
2945  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Breaking: Virtual Currencies Expected to be Regulated in China on October 1st on: October 01, 2017, 10:58:10 PM
"Virtual property" is much better than simply banning crypto currency. It seems that China is returning to the world of crypto currency, and without attempting to ban it. Perhaps this was the original purpose of a certain group of people in China, namely, to sharply lower the rate of crypto-currency.

Indeed, this is welcome news for those that were still concerned about rumors of a "mining ban" or block of the network by the Great Firewall. I wouldn't say they are "returning" per se; they never left. China is the major player in the manufacturing of ASIC miners and their pools control a majority of hash rate. The price action on their exchanges has also always moved Western markets.

I think this news hints at incoming regulating/licensure of Chinese exchanges, which is very good news for the market. I'm not surprised to see the price rallying today.
2946  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: What is Shared When Paying with Bitcoin? on: October 01, 2017, 10:46:10 PM
So I would like to sign up for an online service but use an alias, not my real information. They accept payment via Bitcoin. If I use a wallet like Coinbase to pay for the site what information does Coinbase share with the site? Does the site receive any information about me?

There is something else to consider here. Coinbase bends over backwards for regulators and law enforcement. They even do blockchain analysis on where you send your coins. People have had their accounts terminated for sending BTC from their Coinbase accounts to gambling sites. I don't even want to know what they do if you're sending BTC to a darknet market.

As far as what Coinbase shares with the site receiving the payment -- not much. They can see that the coins are coming from Coinbase and the IP address of the sender. Like I said, that would not be my first concern.
2947  Economy / Speculation / Re: Amazon to accept Bitcoin as early as this October? on: October 01, 2017, 10:32:11 PM
The last time a large company announced bitcoin acceptance, the price actually DROPPED. I'd like bitcoin price to go up as much as anyone here on the forum. But the reality is what it is. I'm just saying.

I'm honestly confused by people getting so excited about merchant acceptance. What is this, 2014? I don't think it's realistic for a company of Amazon's scale to accept Bitcoin at this point. And if they did, they would need to hedge most or all of the fiat value -- meaning the more that bitcoiners "support" Amazon by spending BTC there, the more immediate downward pressure there is on the price. Spending BTC in this context is equal to selling it.

If people really want the price to go up, they should preach hoarding, not spending. Tongue
2948  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: DeepOnion A Scam? on: September 30, 2017, 09:53:24 AM
The battle continues. It is hard to stop this. Deep Onion has become more famous because of this. Because deep onion topic will become widespread. And remember that this project has so big a community that they can easily respond all in favor of deep onion. I cannot tell now whether this project is scam or not. For now it is faring well, save for some accusations.

It comes off like a Multi-Level Marketing scheme. So many scam accusations, and never any real responses. No attempt to save face by the developers. They just send out their army of low-level shills, who generally don't have a strong enough grasp of English to even address the accusations.

It's not faring well, either. It's only traded on that horrible exchange, Nova. It has very low volume and has plummeted in value. There is no economic activity on the network besides bounties/airdrop.
2949  Economy / Speculation / Re: Btcc and ViaBtC closed. on: September 30, 2017, 08:38:01 AM
ViaBTC closed their exchange in China but the mining pool is still in business. They have announced plans to reopen their exchange overseas for customers outside of China but there is no firm date yet.

BTC China is doing the same -- they are already promoting their USD exchange. I'm not sure what kind of business it will attract, though. It seems like it's only getting harder to move USD to and from exchanges these days, too.

Yep, and right now price is at $4270. So it does seem weird o me that price is rising, even though two of the bigger exchanges on the cryptocurrency scene have been shut down by the Chinese government and potentially more to come.

This seems to me like very bullish market acitvity.

Well, I think we can assume that the Chinese exchange closures were already priced in. They were announced weeks ago, and the market dumped hard on the news already. More importantly, the market didn't dump hard on news of the Korean ICO ban or the rumors of a ban on cryptocurrency payments in Russia. That indeed suggests a bullish market.
2950  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-09-27] Japanese banks are thinking of making their own cryptocurrency... on: September 29, 2017, 07:29:23 PM
"This will be pegged with Japanese Yen, and hopefully used to make payments and transfers through a mobile phone app," the bank said.

Mizuho has been exploring the digital currency space for the past few months. It has had a particular interest in blockchain technology that underpins the cryptocurrencies currently on the market. Blockchain is a distributed ledger system that promises to revolutionize many processes at large financial institutions, such as money transfers and trade finance, for example.

The Bank of China appears to be doing the same thing. They have released a "Blockchain E-wallet" which is available on app stores, but of course, there is no support for real cryptocurrencies. The wallet can be linked to Bank of China debit cards.

From a consumer perspective, these schemes are useless. The only reason for fiat-linked services to use the blockchain is to dissuade investors away from real decentralized cryptocurrencies in favor of legacy systems with blockchain gimmicks added.
2951  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Which wallet is best on: September 29, 2017, 07:20:25 PM
You should add electrum, jaxx, exodus etc in your poll.

Out of all wallets listed in poll, I am using and love blockchain wallet because they encrypt your wallet file and never store your private key in their server.

For a desktop wallet, I definitely agree to recommend Electrum. It's recommended on Bitcoin.org, and it's fast, lightweight and safe.

However, I do not recommend the Jaxx wallet. It has very poor security for a desktop wallet; at most, it is secured by a 4-number pin -- easily crackable. Any desktop wallet should offer full private key encryption with a strong passphrase. This level of security is completely unacceptable to me. I've heard some scary warnings about the Exodus wallet, too, but I have not verified them.
2952  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Just confriming, segwit or segwit2x is going ahead on BTC? on: September 29, 2017, 09:18:25 AM
- bitcoin cash don't need witness segregation to increase the block size cause the block size limit has been removed all together on August 1st.

- the use a single composite constraint (weight) and the arbitrary discount of the witness data increase the complexity of bitcoin's economic incentives (two economics good rather than one) in a way that is not being studied and analyze enough.

The witness discount was only included as a compromise with those seeking larger block sizes, and it was a worthy compromise since Segwit is at worst UTXO-neutral, whereas standard transactions cause inevitable and perpetual UTXO bloat.

How are there "two economics rather than one?" The only change to incentives appears to be that there is greater incentive now to spend UTXOs rather than to create them. That seems bloody great to me.
2953  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-09-28] The Ridiculous Amount of Energy It Takes to Run Bitcoin on: September 29, 2017, 08:20:08 AM
We suffer enough electricty production to secure a blockchain which i can see that it is not an eco-friendly, if the proof-of-work reward concept of mining bitcoin is still to continue, i could say it that the bitcoin miners are the most wasteful energy consumers in the world, unlike Ethereum , they are now beginning to switch from a proof-of-work to proof-of-stake blockchain reward because they know the long term effect of the proof-of-work massive exponential growth of hash rate difficulty.

Proof-of-work is only wasteful if the same security could be provided with less energy. Proof-of-stake sounds nice, but it hasn't been shown to be viable on paper, let alone in practice. Yes, there are POS blockchains, but they are very small and undoubtedly do not / will not face the same kinds of adversaries that Bitcoin does.

If proof-of-stake is shown to be viable in the long term (years) on Ethereum, then I'll start taking it seriously. But from where I stand, POW is the only thing we can truly rely on. The incentives work.
2954  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Russia Likely to Ban Bitcoin Payments, Deputy Finance Minister Says on: September 28, 2017, 10:37:55 PM
Literally two weeks after the Russian Finance Minister said there was "no point in prohibiting" cryptocurrencies, it seems that the Russian government has yet again reversed course.

The Deputy Finance Minister had this to say earlier in the week:

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Alexey Moiseev, the deputy finance minister of Russia, said earlier this week that he expects pending legislation on cryptocurrencies will feature a ban on payments made in cryptocurrency.

According to the state-backed news source TASS, Moiseev – who previously said that bitcoin should be classified as a kind of asset in Russia and limited to qualified investors – told reporters on Monday that "no regulator doubts that payments will be banned."

For him, there is no doubt that Bitcoin (and other cryptocurrency) payments will be banned. Read the article here.

Thoughts? Russia is probably the most infamous government for flip-flopping on Bitcoin regulation. This seems like more of the same. The market doesn't seem to be reacting to the news.
2955  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin november hard fork? on: September 28, 2017, 07:02:40 PM
i think it will make new "name" again from that fork, but is the third fork will success like the previously fork? if yes i think bitcoin rate will incerase and increases until $6000 maybe, our hope is third fork success and bitcoin rate is increased

That doesn't account for all the factors underlying the cryptocurrency market, or possible market manipulation. For example, it's possible that the BTC price could have gone much higher than $5,000 if Bitcoin Cash weren't drawing investors away. They are holding #3 or #4 in total market cap; that takes a lot of investor inflow to maintain.

There is also the allegation that Bitmain is propping up the BCH price. Would they do the same for Segwit2x? It takes a lot of money to prop up a market if real buying demand for the fork doesn't exist. That depends on users and new investors.
2956  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Coming War Between Digital Currencies on: September 28, 2017, 06:52:34 PM
The war between the digital currencies and the governments of states is already taking place and this stage was inevitable. We need to go through it and move on. Governments will inevitably try to subordinate the Crypto-currency and if they see that they can not do anything to it, they will have to retreat. Then the crypto currency will continue to develop more freely.

I'm pretty sure that some governments realize the inevitable truth that they can't stop cryptocurrencies. The CFTC gave LedgerX the green light to offer BTC futures markets, for instance. Canada is set to have an ETF on its listed markets in the near future.

And major Japanese corporations seem comfortable enough with the government's legal stance to dive into the mining industry in competition with Bitmain.
2957  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [Wolf of Wall Street] BTC is a fraud ! on: September 28, 2017, 06:43:22 PM
Nothing new. A lot of inversors don't understand Bitcoin.

I think he and other detractors may understand Bitcoin; the jury is out on that. But given the hype surrounding Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies these days, it's easier to get airtime taking the contrarian position.

This guy is trying to sell his speaking tour more than anything else, and there are mainstream investors among his base. He's just trying to be relevant and taking the conservative stance.
2958  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Deep Onion Deep Opinion on: September 27, 2017, 07:58:31 AM
To tell the truth, it's very shady and outrageous for me. Trying to keep away from it. Maybe I'm wrong and time will show  Wink

No, you are right. Time will only make it clearer. It's already obvious to people who have been around a while that this is a complete scam. It's easily one of the worst scams I've seen in the crypto space. I can't tell if Deep Onion's army of trolls is too stupid to realize that the devs control the vast majority of supply and are staking it, or if they are all just hacked accounts.

I was lurking in Meta, and it seems like a lot of recently hacked accounts are wearing the Deep Onion signature. Plus, that would explain why so many people are claiming that they aren't getting paid for wearing the signature. Non-insiders are just used for free advertising for as long as it lasts.
2959  Economy / Exchanges / Re: BTC-e hacked ?? on: September 27, 2017, 07:46:59 AM
I wouldn't assume either way. It's certainly possible that they are insolvent. But they debited 39-45% of peoples' funds from their accounts to account for that shortfall. It's very possible that the admins were selling coins OTC to rebuild their fiat reserves.

We also don't know how much of their fiat reserves were actually frozen and how much was sufficiently unaffiliated with BTC-E. I think their bigger problem is inability to easily move fiat, which is no surprise. We know none of Mayzus' companies will work with WEX now. Tongue

If you read the official announcement on  https://wex.nz/news/1 you will see it contains:

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Dear users!

Team of WEX is glad to welcome you on our new platform!

This is our first official announcement!

We thank all ex-users of BTC-E for their patience at such a difficult moment for all of you guys. We on our part have spent a lot of efforts and energy to create a new platform for trade in the shortest time limits. Our platform will operate according to AML/KYC laws and world legislation in this field. You can find all the detailed information here https://wex.nz/page/1

We would also like to thank the technical team of btc-e for their professional help of transferring digital profiles and data of users and also want to emphasize that our company did not cooperate with BTC-E Always Efficient LLP in any way and did not receive their funds.
General information explaining the state of things will be posted regularly on our news channel.

I presume they mean fiat when they say "funds", which makes perfect sense as OKPAY suspended all fiat accounts to do with BTC-e.

Of course they would say that. By all appearances, they are BTC-E, so naturally, their terms say "we aren't BTC-E." Tongue Do you really take them at their word?

Think about it: Who buys a "database of accounts and all associated obligations * 55-62% + tokens" and "did not receive funds" to cover those obligations? As if WEX is just some charity giving away free money? Cheesy

If they were smart, not only was 100% of the fiat not frozen, but the admins pocketed a good amount for their troubles (and towards their retirement). And I think they are pretty smart.
2960  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Oh Shit! - China bans Bitcoin yet again. This time for real. on: September 27, 2017, 07:38:31 AM
This comes to mind now:

Nassim Taleb: "For bitcoin to make it, it needs to be banned by a few governments and critiqued by policy makers. Otherwise it will fade."

Literally exactly this is happening
I really don’t know what they are doing actually. China have to take some sensible actions that may lead to their success but whatsoever they are behaving, it will cost them. Reason is the future is about bitcoins everywhere and then China will have nothing other than “Crying over spilt milt”.

What they are doing is totally reasonable. The exchanges were operating as shadow banks... the biggest ones (Huobi and Okcoin) supposedly invested ~ a billion CNY worth of customer deposits, probably in debt instruments to facilitate capital flight: https://twitter.com/tuurdemeester/status/900027535450353664

So, I suspect that this was a "two birds, one stone" move. They want to bring exchanges under tight regulation (or perhaps even see them administered by the state). The issue is indeed capital flight, but not for the reasons that most bitcoiners think.
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