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2941  Economy / Exchanges / Re: bitfloor issues? on: June 20, 2013, 09:50:34 PM
What? No! I was just asking Entropy-uc to tell me where he got information that it was Roman who seized our bitcoins back in September, and not a thief as Roman claimed. I just want to confirm that for myself, that's all.
It would seem that Roman should prove that one, not a depositor.  

I agree. Have him prove it, one way or the other. That would actually have some validity, as opposed to some random anon stating that Roman stole those funds himself, as if that was a fact.

Your question is silly at best, but as I read your constant berating of anyone who criticizes Roman, you lose more and more credibility and I actually wonder what skin you have in this game.

The September theft has deprived me of about 150BTC. That's the only skin I have in this game. I have plenty of credibility, thank you very much, as I have not lied or made baseless claims as facts here.

Think about the "facts" that you now know.   If I was on a jury of 12, there would be at least one guilty vote against Roman and I am pretty sure the other 11 would vote the same as me.

There are the facts:
25,000 or so BTC dissappeared in September.
Roman temporarily shut down his exchange, at great risk to his business.
Roman went out looking for investors, but was not able to find any.
Roman claimed he would use revenue from the exchange to return the missing coins.
No police report or anything beyond Roman's claims was ever shown to prove whether those coins were stolen by Roman or by someone else. At this point, we still don't know.
Twice since, Roman has used revenues to pay off those coins.

Now with this new situation:
Roman claimed that his bank gave him 30 day notice that they were closing his account
Roman claimed that his account was instead closed prematurely (same day I think?)
I don't remember if calls were made to the bank to corroborate this story. I don't think they were.
Roman claimed that he was sent a check for the entire USD balance, as is typical when a bank closes your account.
Roman claimed that he is having trouble finding a bank to take this check to allow for return of funds, and has a lawyer helping him.
Lawyer's name is known, and the situation with the check and trying to open bank accounts was corroborated by at least one other person.
Attempts to open a bank account for a bitcoin business have been met with failure many times before over the last 2 years.
The lawyer seems to be continuing to work on this, contacting various banks that others have suggested, while Roman was away on vacation.

If I missed anything, please add it.

These are the facts I would like people to stick to. Because, you know, they are facts. I, personally, do not like unsubstantiated bullshit, and will call people out on it. Why? Because I have the time to spend hours on this forum (yay government work  Roll Eyes) while others don't, and may interpret "unsubstantiated bullshit stated as fact" as actual fact. That doesn't help me get my 150BTC back, that doesn't help you get your USD back. In fact, it doesn't help anyone at all. If you want to vent at Roman, please do so. I will even defend you. His lack of communication was, and still is, total shit. His handling of the situation is pretty shit as well. Although that is my personal opinion, since I don't know what the full situation is. Neither do you, or anyone else. Because his lack of communication is shit.

I hope this explains my position, the reasons for my posts, and my credibility.
2942  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: June 20, 2013, 09:30:21 PM
Sounds like he's pretty bad at this whole "being a god" thing. One regrettable mistake after another  Tongue
2943  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 09:24:21 PM
Most people seem to struggle with the whole cancer correlation vs causation thing, even on this forum.

Please confirm or deny whether you believe that chemicals in sigaretes cause cancer, or whether smoking and getting cancer is just correlated and one doesn't actually cause the other. I'm really curious whether you are actually that stupid.
2944  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 09:20:39 PM
The only two possible options are:

She's one of those parasites with people who are willing to put up with her, for now...

OR

She's one of those weird people who trades labor and products with friends...

I'm not really aware of any other options.

Which applies most to yourself?

Of those two options? The second one. But I also recognize it as the capitalism that it is.

If you truly want to be a freegan, please stop taking the $200, since it was created through other people toiling in capitalism, and was taken away from other people's toils by force. You are quite literally taking money from the mother that is having to toil to avoid starving her kids.
2945  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 09:15:55 PM
You're a parasite.  I wouldn't call that ethical.
You're a cyberbully. Don't sue me bro.
Also, Hail Satan.

You should see my hairdo. You wouldn't call that ethical either.

Found an example of capitalism working yet?

I think I found one. It's people willingly toiling to build a house, a fiberoptic network, and a web service, trading their toil for some money, and being forced to give up some of that money as taxes (last part not capitalism), just so you can have a house to squat in, internet to use, and $200ebt paid for with those taxes to buy food from. If you want to be a freegan, at least stop taking that $200 from the state. That's money produced by capitalism that someone else was forced to give up after toiling for.
2946  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 08:46:13 PM
The point is don't use correlation, use method of how it happens. Smoking wasn't proven to cause cancer because of correlation, it was proven to cause cancer because of the specific methods discovered. So, I'll get you started on this:
"Capitalism is the cause of ((contemporary wage)) slavery because when people practice capitalism they need to exploit margins which leads to slavery.


Ah, thank you. So, can you explain what you mean by "wage slavery?" Does it involve being forced to do anything against his/her will?
2947  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 07:54:35 PM
Skin cells on my shirt.  - PRIVATE AND PERSONAL
Some record that claims I own a tree. - PRIVATE
The ink from a pen I wrote with. - PERSONAL, unless you are talking about the ink still in your pen, in which case PRIVATE
A silo of grain ten million miles away someone just sold me. - PRIVATE
The mining rigs that pay to my address. - PRIVATE
The Dollars in my bank. - PRIVATE

Half are personal, the other private. Can you not determine which? Of course we can all see which is which.

Did I do that right?
2948  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 07:51:23 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.

Is this a statement of fact, or a hypothesis? Would one example of a place without taxes that is not in the amazon jungle prove your theory wrong? Would you then just keep expanding your theory until it became "Unless you live in a place without tax-collecting government, you have to pay taxes anywhere in the world?"
2949  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: June 20, 2013, 07:38:16 PM
You're going to love this. It's by sin that death entered

Wasn't it by god placing a forbidden tree in easy reach of Adam and Eve, while knowing full well that the two can't tell the difference between good and bad, that sin and death entered?
2950  Economy / Exchanges / Re: bitfloor issues? on: June 20, 2013, 07:32:42 PM
Please direct me to where I agreed he could seize my bitcoin by calling them on 'hold' and use the proceeds to continue funding his lifestyle through this business.
Likewise, please direct me to where you got information that Roman was the one who seized my bitcoin.
Russia;
you are starting to sound pretty disingenuous.    Who do you feel overpowered Roman and controlled his business decisions?    Do you actually believe some of the ridiculous rhetoric that you post?    So, you think someone other than Roman is preventing him from being a human being and forcing him to act like a complete piece of shit?

What? No! I was just asking Entropy-uc to tell me where he got information that it was Roman who seized our bitcoins back in September, and not a thief as Roman claimed. I just want to confirm that for myself, that's all.
2951  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 07:26:57 PM
Quote from: MoonShadow
The wild animals belonged to no one until the hunter killed it, and the fruits of the pawpaw tree belonged to no one, until someone picked it. It was rudimentary, but it was certainly an example of a belief in the right of private PERSONAL property.
FTFY

Define your difference between "private" and "personal," as I consider them synonyms.
Core problem.
Private is not as quantum entangled. It's a mere claim. Secreted away from dirty fingers and prying eyes.

EDIT: Personal is defined in bitcoin as providers of hashing power. I'm sure someone else can fill that definition in quite nicely.

"Private" does not cause another atom to spin/vibrate the same way as the word "private?"   Huh
"Personal" means "miners?"  Huh  Huh  Huh
I was using the definition of "private" to mean the opposite of "public" as opposed to "blocked from public view"
2952  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: June 20, 2013, 07:16:52 PM
However, I wasn't able to find any mention of bitcoin acceptance with Hiphopchessfederation.  Maybe if I filled out their form and went to the next page...or spent a few more minutes looking for it?

He said he ran into some problem getting BitPay to work right, and will have it working tomorrow.

It was great to meet both of you, Rassah and Edd, at the conference.  Thanks for the time and work you guys put into this.

It was great to meet you too. I keep forgetting to order some more of those delicious caramels!
2953  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Bitmessage - P2P Messaging system based partially on Bitcoin on: June 20, 2013, 07:12:30 PM
this might be bigger than bitcoin.


Um, This is bitcoin. Just without the blockchain. Credit where credit is due  Wink
2954  Economy / Exchanges / Re: bitfloor issues? on: June 20, 2013, 07:10:39 PM
Please direct me to where I agreed he could seize my bitcoin by calling them on 'hold' and use the proceeds to continue funding his lifestyle through this business.

Likewise, please direct me to where you got information that Roman was the one who seized my bitcoin.
2955  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 06:42:21 PM
To the anarchocapitalist, the state seems socialist/communist.
To the anarchocommunist, the state seems capitalist.

It is just so much theory and hubris to plan this battle at the theoretical end.

Luckily for us anarchocapitalists, those other guys don't believe in violence.
Or maybe they do, since some of them seem to be against "non-aggression"... I'm so confused  Huh
2956  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 06:26:23 PM
Quote from: MoonShadow
The wild animals belonged to no one until the hunter killed it, and the fruits of the pawpaw tree belonged to no one, until someone picked it. It was rudimentary, but it was certainly an example of a belief in the right of private PERSONAL property.
FTFY

Define your difference between "private" and "personal," as I consider them synonyms.
2957  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 06:21:01 PM
Murder was rare in anarchic paleolithic, pre-patriarchic, pre-state communities. War and organised violence was non-existent. The expression of violence against conspecifics is non-existent on paleolithic art (rock and cave paintings); in post-neololithic, patriarchic, collectivist (socialist, feudalist, capitalist) environment it is the norm. Socialist, feudalist and capitalist collectivists are determined to ignore history. They spread Science Fiction, Religion and an oxymoronic, orwellian vocabulary ("anarcho-capitalism, "communism") instead. They don't understand the difference between archic and anarchic.

You've never heard of territorial animal packs fighting each other for territory? Don't some types of apes that live in pack communities war with each other all the time, including to the point of killing members of the opposing tribe?
2958  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: June 20, 2013, 05:41:58 PM
You have to understand what death is... In God's presence, all is sustained. Without, all is subject to death and decay. God, the absolute authority, cannot justly tolerate disobedience therefore the wages of sin is death. Christ did not sin, and yet was subject to death. He was forsaken that dark day, as far as his human frame could tell. It was an infinite injustice, yet by it we are "in" him eternally. He was made responsible for our sin, bearing the consequences so that all who are in him could be spared. The passover atonement was established as a pattern for thousands of years prior, and was absolutely necessary for anyone to be able to come before God, as we do now. He was the lamb of God, and from our angle, is all of God that we can see, God with Us.

So, take the ancient superstitious tribal practice of declaring/blaming all evils upon a goat, taking the goat outside the village, and slaughtering it ("scapegoating"), replace goat with human for a dash of human sacrifice, and tada?
Plus, Christ, being god, knew he would be put up on a cross, and knew he would be resurrected... unless he wasn't god? Actually, yeah, wait, I'm confused. He is part of the holy trinity, and knew he would be sacrificed, yet he thought god has forsaken him? Did he lose his magic god powers on the cross?
 
Also, did you just say that god has committed infinite injustice?
2959  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: June 20, 2013, 03:56:35 PM
Also, Rassah, you mentioned that you felt offended because God forgives people without consideration of the victim of the crime, this is because in committing a crime someone has offended 3 entities:
1. A Holy and just God
2. The victim
3. The law
One may have forgiveness from you and God, and yet still rightfully go to jail, and people may still ask for forgiveness from God, with the realization that the they have not been given forgiveness from the victim.

So... why did god have to sacrifice himself to himself on a cross to forgive us? And in a way that wasn't even much of a sacrifice, since he knew he would be resurrected and come to sit with himself a few days later...
2960  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: June 20, 2013, 03:46:10 PM
Quote
step-father was a very religious, bible-thumping, violent alcoholic, who made hating religious people easy.
I think being a violent alcoholic would kind of make him not a Christian, although am I understand you correctly that:
1. You met a someone who claimed to be Christian
2. This person was bad
Therefore
All Christians are bad
3. Christians can be hypocrites and being Christian doesn't automatically make one a good personn
4. A lot of Christians are hypocrites
5. OMG A WHOLE LOT of Christians are hypocrites and just downright assholes. Especially ones in power.
6. Being a christian does apparently make you somewhat of a hypocrite, and it's possible to use christianity  as an excuse to be an asshole.
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