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2941  Economy / Speculation / Re: Winklevoss Bitcoin Trust on Bloomberg on: November 04, 2013, 07:43:23 PM
I am technically familiar with Bitcoin yet I am also very close to becoming a SecondMarket client -- perhaps I am just rare/special.  So far I haven't found a way to bring my retirement funds into Bitcoin; SecondMarket gives me that.

Don't you also need a self-directed IRA plan somewhere else? Got any potentials lined up for that?
2942  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2013, 07:00:56 PM
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While all miners work from the most recently discovered block (think of it as the "original" block), the selfish mining process begins when a pool of miners discovers a new block and doesn't publish it. The selfish pool then begins working on discovering yet another block, mining from this hidden one. Meanwhile, the rest of the "honest" miners are still wasting resources mining from the original block.

Can you mine FROM a "hidden" block? This makes no sense to me.

Sure, you can mine a block, not publish it, and continue mining. But unless your pool has 51% of the network, the odds are the rest of the network will invalidate the block you are hiding, and then you've just lost a block and have to start over. It does nothing to harm the network, just yourself.
2943  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: November 04, 2013, 03:04:58 PM
Just reached 50% return, day 19

And with tomorrow's 40% difficulty increase, the next 50% is going to take more than 47 days assuming no more difficulty increases (which isn't realistic). Your break even point is many months from now, if ever.
2944  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2013, 02:32:17 AM
They have Fukashima with which to contend, who can blame them?

Are you saying Gox bitcoins are radioactive???

No, but GoxUSD sure is...

Bitcoins - not even Gox can dirty them.
2945  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 04, 2013, 02:10:40 AM
They have Fukashima with which to contend, who can blame them?

Are you saying Gox bitcoins are radioactive???
2946  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why I think Bitcoin will be over $5000 a coin on: November 04, 2013, 02:09:41 AM
Because all his coins are coinbase they are in 50 BTC chunks across anywhere between 10,000 to 20,000 different addresses and private keys which could be written down and stored anywhere. All with no history and total anonymity. He can cash in from one address at a time, over years, starting with the latest and get a fantastic income without tanking the price.

There are a lot of old blocks that were never spent that follow a pattern that identify Satoshi-mined blocks with a pretty good degree of certainty. If even a single satoshi of those blocks is moved, people will notice.
2947  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet on: November 03, 2013, 08:47:56 PM
There will be no 20nm miner by any vendor for quite a while.   20nm being available =/= 20nm cheaper than 28nm.   20nm will probably be available in volume next year (at 50% to 150% higher prices).  It generally takes 2-3 years before a new process node becomes cheaper than the prior one.  Maybe in late 2016 but 2017 seems more likely.

And by 2016/2017 the mining market will be saturated and with razor thin margins, so it would be very hard for any vendor to recover the NRE. Unless they could achieve a rather dramatic improvement in GH/W, it doesnt make sense to even start. I dont think we will ever see 20nm bitcoin asics. Maybe 14nm at some point in the very far future.

Feature size is starting to get muddy. 20nm and 14nm miners might not have the speed and power improvements we've come to expect from node improvements.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/devices/the-status-of-moores-law-its-complicated

Well designed 28nm chips are going to be the best available for a very long time.
2948  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet on: November 03, 2013, 08:37:51 PM
Babyjets on sale for $2200-ish with no MPP

Second batch baby jets? Yeah, you're not going to see that delivered any time soon. Say goodbye to ROI.
2949  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet on: November 03, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
If I got it today I would definitely ROI, in fact I would hit about a 60% ROI according to http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/...
You mean this http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/89f1855c7e  Huh

That's if the miner is already delivered, which it isn't. This is what it looks like next month.

http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/9388e2430d
2950  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Is anyone actually going to buy the 600 GH/s BFL unit after their customer serv? on: November 03, 2013, 05:25:59 AM
BFL advertised "Tape out August 2013". Didn't happen in Aug. Didn't happen in Sep. Didn't happen in Oct. Now it's Nov. They're already several months late.

BFL Monarch: 600 GH/s for $4680 delievered long after Feb.
KnC Jupiter: 550 GH/s for $4995 delivered in Nov.

Why would anybody waste a single second considering a BFL product? It's a guaranteed loser, no matter how you pay for it.
2951  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] US/North American Bitfury sales now open ***full prototype pics*** on: November 02, 2013, 06:14:32 PM
I'm measuring 600w to the power supply with a rig running at this rate.  PLEASE use two seperate PCIe power cables to power your rig.  Check cables for warmth - lets be safe folks!  Be careful trying to plug too many rigs into a single power circuit - 15 amps on a 15 amp breaker is NOT ok Tongue

Good point. Max of 2x 600w rigs on a 15 amp circuit, 3x 600w rigs on a 20 amp circuit.
2952  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: November 02, 2013, 03:41:19 AM
I'm quite happy with the products I got from KNC, and Quite happy they weren't later than a couple lousy weeks...
In the 2 weeks I've had my machines running, they have made back more than 1/3rd my origonal
$3897.60 x 3(saturns+shipping) = $11,692.80
I've earned 22 BTC x XBT(198) = $4,356.00
which is over 37% of the original purchase price, including shipping.
(not to mention the 63 Namecoin I also earned)
I have no doubt they will reach ROI, and beyond...
Thank-You  KNC


Now calculate how much fiat/BTC you would have if you would have simply purchased bitcoins directly instead of pre-ordering a miner that creates bitcoins very slowly.
2953  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: CampBx / Dwolla question on: October 30, 2013, 10:04:19 PM
Dwolla won't help you. Contact CampBX and have them undo the withdrawl.
2954  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [FAILED]Butterfly Labs 30 day countdown to the end of September on: October 30, 2013, 02:03:32 PM
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Josh has bragged about shipping over 20k units. They're no where near 100k units shipped.

I recall it was months ago that I read that.

5 days ago. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=202792.msg3406192#msg3406192

No matter how you look at it, the dollar count is staggering, and the gross profit margin would be close to 90%. As much as I would like to see otherwise, bankruptcy simply isnt gonna happen.

Quite true.
2955  Other / Off-topic / Re: Inaba - The biggest scum bag on these forums? on: October 30, 2013, 01:58:02 PM
i have not seen them. links?

How could you miss them? Here's a small sampling.

Calling people "monkeys" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=285659.msg3219077#msg3219077
Calling everyone "little minions" and "crazies" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=285659.msg3218994#msg3218994
Calling others "whiny, entitled little brats" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.msg3077301#msg3077301
"what a tool" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283286.msg3032120#msg3032120
"asshole and a douchebag" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281880.msg3023263#msg3023263
"rabid, psychotic, tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts with personality disorders" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281880.msg3015571#msg3015571
"you're a liar and a thief" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278844.msg3013863#msg3013863
"you are an ignorant, lying  piece of shit" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278844.msg3013355#msg3013355
"making an ass of yourself" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278844.msg3013308#msg3013308
Calling someone a pedophile https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278844.msg3012552#msg3012552
"you fucking moron." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278844.msg3009848#msg3009848

And that's just from the last few weeks. There's hundreds more. This is how he typically acts.
2956  Other / Off-topic / Re: Inaba - The biggest scum bag on these forums? on: October 30, 2013, 05:55:49 AM
and anyway this whole thread seems to be about attacking him personally, stuff that has nothing to do with bfl was talked about... seems silly.

Why does that surprise you with all the personal attacks he has leashed on his customers here?
2957  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Butterfly Labs New 600GH "Mining Card" - RED FLAGS?!?! on: October 30, 2013, 05:33:59 AM
Oh, look.

2958  Other / Off-topic / Re: Inaba - The biggest scum bag on these forums? on: October 30, 2013, 05:19:58 AM
also the real target should be bfl, not some employee.

BFL does not do anything. It is not alive. It is no more intelligent than a rock. The Officers, such as Chief Operating Officer Josh, are the cause of all these problems.
2959  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: October 30, 2013, 04:24:20 AM
  • MPP program is based entirely on BTC return if you paid in BTC, and fiat return if you paid in fiat.

Stick it to the fiat buyers. Two buyers paying the same day, one pays in BTC the other in fiat. One gets MPP, the other gets nothing. Ouch!
2960  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [FAILED]Butterfly Labs 30 day countdown to the end of September on: October 30, 2013, 02:09:56 AM
I think you just dont realize how much BFL has sold and is shipping. My estimate is that they shipped over 1PH worth of 65nm asics by now. Thats 20,000 singles or 200,000 jalapeno's.  I dont know their product mix, but lets assume its close to 50/50, which would mean ~100K units.  They have been shipping them since April, do I remember that correctly? So less than 200 days and therefore ~500 units per day. Thats more than KnC managed.

Josh has bragged about shipping over 20k units. They're no where near 100k units shipped.
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