More good news! - Hunterbunter (head of Devcoin) and Novacadian provided official feedback on what is current status of devtome.com. See #23, #25- The plan is suspended for 2 weeks, while HB and Nova work on fixing devtome.com issues Just added this info to the original post, under "UPDATE 2016-01-19". |
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News about Devtome! 70 shares from devtome sent to date in devcoin round 55, according to: http://dvccountdown.blisteringdevelopers.com/What happened? Is people really writing again? are those shares coming from previous rounds? is there somebody cheating? |
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HB, it is great to have your feedback on current status of devtome.com. It was looking kind of "alone in the dark", as devtome.com was dying silently and slowly... scary! Btw, the revolution is already started and the proposal on moving from devtome.com to devtome.org is likely to happen. I know you are doing what you can do and things on devtome.com would get fixed eventually, but it is taking too long. It is time for the people running .com to analyze if they can fix things soon and keep .com running with a growing curve rather than the reverse, otherwise, their efforts would be just a waste, nobody wants that, right? More to say in context: So if the site gets moved to devtome.org rather than devtome.com then the generation files would have to be edited as a quick search on unthinkingbits GitHub has it scraping devtome user/article data from the .org domain.
Also is devtome going to stay or go in the long term?
Devtome will probably stay in the long term. It's like a vine that ended up strangling the tree it grew on, but now the tree can't live without it. It needs to bring a ROI, so we have to convert it to adsense-compatible, and use that money to buy back coins. This is the only sustainable way I can see devcoins getting back on its feet. I heard this proposal before, perhaps in the defunct coinzen site? about July 2015? Weisoq has been working with Jasinlee to overcome the technical issues the last few weeks. There was an issue upgrading the hosting service and it is being fixed, but it'll be resolved when it's resolved. We can use this time to figure out how to best clean it up.
"it'll be resolved when it's resolved", I agree and insist: Devtome needs things to be resolved sooner than later, if Weisoq and Jasinlee could fix things before we would not be in this situation (a revolution), yet is not their fault, it is nobodies fault! it is just that current way things work don't contribute to the growth of devtome, but the reverse. We need a change NOW! If anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them. One option that comes to mind:
We make a script that trawls every single devtome page and notifies the url of pages that fail whatever google wants to censor. Admins then ask the person to modify or delete the page. Anyone know if google has such a list of banned words/topics?
HB
Did you have a chance to check the proposed plan? I'd love to hear your feedback! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317408.msg13481023#msg13481023 |
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Answers in context: Nice to see some interest.
Although MarkM makes a good point of Devtome.com removed would put the focus back on the original mandate, a lot has been invested in DevTome and it would be nice to see it self sufficient. That could be achieved if only content were scraped from the original site that would meet standards of content of AdSenses. The difference is revenue would probably make writers' payments none mining dependent.
You are right! People is recovering hope on the project  Regarding how and when to migrate content from .com to .org, perhaps we should first start blank with .org and make it work, once things are working we can copy/move content from .com, the one that is compatible with the new policies/requirements/spam filters/etc. I would call it: "curated content". It is likely that the present DevTome Admin will raise his head, yet the response time seems unexceptable and other arrangements the sensible thing to do.
Do you have contact with the Admin? can you help us reach that person? One good programming bounty would be a scraping program employing PHP/Perl's Mechanize Module to scrape AdSense compliant content for DevTome.org.
+1, it will take considerable work and deserves a bounty if possible. Always here to help where possible.
- Nova
Thanks Nova! I read somewhere that you and HB worked a lot on devtome.com, having you on board for devtome.org is huge! |
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Good news! - We got some people interested on moving things forward - A user with superadmin powers in devtome.com is available to help move devtome.com to devtome.org (as proposed in the action plan) - There is an action plan proposed at #17. Please provide your feedback before 2016-01-18!Just added this info to the original post, under "UPDATE 2016-01-12". |
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a for-profit community website where anonymous contributors get paid in cryptocoins based on content revenue ... AD revenue
@BitcoinNational, your definition fits in the corporate world but devtome is a lot more than just a for-profit strategy. Devtome was created to create an ecosystem that promotes creativeness. Organizations start to fall when people forget the purpose. In this new beginning we need to embrace the purpose and make sure that it is preserved and even improved. Devtome should also contribute to increase the amount and quality of contributions, providing sustainability to the community, which then completes the cycle. If we make Devtome a community with a common purpose for a better world, then it will be successful. Hope you guys share a similar perspective. |
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Actually since it was the insane amounts of shares being given out to Devtome authors that screwed DeVCoin, so maybe having Devtome out of commission could be a good thing, if it means no-one can get paid for writing on the Devtome wiki anymore.
However, it seems like some people can still write there.
Plus supposedly Devtome now only pays out of its own quota of the total DeVCoin shares, so that no matter how many authors write how many articles they make no dent in the pay going out to the admins and the various free open source software projects and so on?
Great points @markm! The worst case scenario is that we are leaving devcoin infrastructure so the new site will depend completely on its own income, yet we are promoting Devcoin so payments should be in Devcoin. Also, I plan to donate some of my ongoing shares for a few rounds so the new devtome has liquidity. All this makes me feel like the worst case is not that bad, guess we can ship with this plan: 1. Start a new wiki at devtome.org (dokuwiki? mediawiki?) 2. Setup ads (adsense?) 3. Setup analytics (analytics?) 4. Setup payment rules (how do we pay people?) 5. Define admins (anyone available?) 6. Invite everyone to join the new site (launch campaign) 7. Foster the new site (marketing campaign) Of course, this is just an initial proposal, we need your feedback to validate and improve it. |
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I too agree it should be rescued.
I remember when the value was up in the hundreds of satoshis, but that was so long ago!
Maybe we should have Devcoin 2.0!
But I'll try to help as much as I can.
What are the available options for this coin?
Ok so will you help me save Jackpot Coin then too ? "What are the available options for this coin?" ? Simple.. MONEY Pay people to save it.. or else it dies.. like all the rest. That is how this stuff works  @Spoetnik, you are pointing your gun to the wrong spot, we are talking about devtome.com, not Devcoin. Would you help us rescue it? please share your thoughts on an action plan, otherwise please let us work, we are just a few people but we really want to fix things, not messing with anyone OK? |
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First things first, we need to diagnose current situation of Devtome.com
and the old situation that caused it to become less than fully functional
there is $6Billion in bitcoin and it could be easy to get 0.00125 of that value sent into DVC if it did indeed function as a bitcoin/digital currency foundation/institute of dev. Think wikipedia.
You seem to have a point but let's redirect energy to finding a solution for devtome.com, would you like to help please tell how. Now is time to join forces, to work together, are you interested? please tell, otherwise, please let us work, we are trying to fix some mess here. Thanks! |
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If someone clones the thing on some other host, someone who we can actually expect to stick around available for the long haul, I can point devtome.org at it.
I run devtome.tk which also redirects to devtome.com, it will be pointed to devtome.org in the future. Back to the plan, the idea was to diagnose what is going on so what I read from the feedback so far, is that devtome.com is a blackbox we can't fix so we need to fork an start over in a new website. I think that will take work but is viable. Actually, I commit to clone devtome.com somehow when the time comes, and help with hosting for the first few months, but I'm not moving a finger alone, we have to be together and have a solid plan first. It is up to you guys, please read carefully, share your feedback and propose alternatives if you think I'm smoking too much. |
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I too agree it should be rescued.
I remember when the value was up in the hundreds of satoshis, but that was so long ago!
Maybe we should have Devcoin 2.0!
But I'll try to help as much as I can.
What are the available options for this coin?
I'm not sure about forking Devcoin right now. The intention of this thread is to rescue devtome.com first. Would you like to help with that? How would you like to help (in practical terms)? |
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If there's something I can help with, let me know. I don't do code, though, just writing. I maintain a copy of each month's receiver file, and I supposedly sign up new writers but no one's contacted me to join for months. I also try to write, though lately haven't been able to do that.
Good vibes @wiser! I think writing skills will help to spread this revolution. |
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UPDATE 2016-01-24- Weisoq announced that Devtome is back to normal again!- This revolution is official over! Celebrate! UPDATE 2016-01-19- Hunterbunter (head of Devcoin) and Novacadian provided official feedback on what is current status of devtome.com. See #23, #25- The plan is suspended for 2 weeks, while HB and Nova work on fixing devtome.com issues UPDATE 2016-01-12- We got some people interested on moving things forward. - There is an action plan proposed at #17. Please provide your feedback before 2016-01-18! - A user with superadmin powers in devtome.com is available to help move devtome.com to devtome.org (as proposed in the action plan) ORIGINAL POSTThat is it, I want to start the rescue of devtome.com. A little background about me, I'm proud member of devcoin community, being granted several ongoing shares for my contributions and assignments (Devcoin Share List, Marketing, Investor Administrator, Node Maintenance). I'm really frustrated because my assignment of "Investor Administrator" is currently blocked, since people running devtome.com is not responding, that makes impossible to deploy my code. Also, I like to contribute to the wiki but current annoying bugs make it really hard. Ok, this is the plan: 1. Diagnose current situation 2. Propose solutions (only what you can actually do, don't expect help from people running devtome.com) 3. Fix this mess 4. Celebrate! My previous post: "[DVC] What happened to Devcoin leadership!" ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1288592), demonstrates that people running devtome.com "just have no interest in keeping them ticking, and don't respond when you try to get them to do their job." as Hunterbunter said already ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg13277774#msg13277774) First things first, we need to diagnose current situation of Devtome.com, please share your thoughts.Let's make it happen!
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+, FWIW, I'd love to see it be resurrected. It was an awesome run for a long time, and it'd be great to see it come back as strong as ever.
Good vibe @ranlo! A few of us are discussing an action plan, anyone willing to help please PM me. |
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We are about to leave 3 satoshis and move to 2 satoshis in Vircurex. The are about 4 million DVC left at 3 satoshis (0.12 BTC).
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Right now there is a problem with adding to the wiki. A number of us have been getting an error message whenever we try to save changes to any pages of the Devtome, including our own. I have not gotten any updates that this problem has been resolved yet. Its been months with that issue! That is why I'm calling for a revolution: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1288592.msg13455833#msg13455833 |
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We should try to find out what level of access is needed to address the Devtome problems, as in do we need the domain pointed somewhere else we control, or can the controller of the machine the domain currently points to do something, or is it merely a matter of a username on the machine needing to be controlled by someone new who will actually fix the problems, or what?
-MarkM-
It has been months waiting for a solution, waiting, waiting, waiting. All we got is that someone contacts someone else and there is no response back. If we keep waiting nothing will happen. That is why I'm calling for a revolution! |
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