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3021  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Breaking news]Australian online electronics store DigiDeals will accept Bitcoin on: May 11, 2013, 07:00:59 PM
Does really someone eat gluten-free foods if they don't actually need them? Sure, if you have a disease and you cannot eat gluten obviously you will eat them, but otherwise?

I eat gluten free 90% of the time.  There are pretty decent substitutes for wheat available for most things, although breads can be hard to get right.  However, when my gluten sensitive fiance isn't around, I bake a pizza.
3022  Economy / Speculation / Re: Government Regulation owns Bitcoin on: May 11, 2013, 06:54:53 PM
Well, Bitcoin had a good run. Ultimately, big government stands in the way of self-governance and that comes in the form of regulating ingenuity to death. The majority of people are indoctrinated and cannot see the value in this evolved payment system.

Who can disagree? Bitcoin is fucked.

You're mostly correct, but I still hold out hope. The sad fact is, the 90% sheep population will eat whatever mommy government feeds them. That said, bitcoin and decentralization is a worldwide movement, not just the U.S., and as an American, I hope there are other countries on Earth where the population cares about more than simply what Kardashians are doing or who is playing who on TV tonight. Not to start a political debate... but I have a feeling, with regards to US regulation, long term it won't matter anyway.  The US is an exponentially increasing decline due to the very factors you speak of. The fact bitcoin exists and NEEDS to exist is, IMO, proof.

I recognize that the US is not alone in regulatory bullshit, and sadly it probably won't be in my lifetime, but technology (like bitcoin) has the potential to change everything at such a fundamental level it's astounding to contemplate.

Here is to a bright future, even if in the short/medium term things are dark *cheers*

Perhaps we wouldn't have a "90% sheep population" if the 10% who are awake could quit denigrating them and instead win over their hearts and minds with honest ideals.  If you are right that "mommy government" is corrupt, it shouldn't be too hard.  Lead by example, not by putting down those who don't see things your way.
3023  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is going on? Trading volume is so low! on: May 11, 2013, 06:46:48 PM

Since the DDOS yesterday, MtGox turned off API support for anything calling the older https://mtgox.com/api pages and is now only allowing orders to be placed through their data.mtgox.com url calls.

I haven't looked on the forum much but didnt see this announced anywhere. Over the next few days I imagine others who run bots will pick up on this, fix their code and re-start their bots.

*edit* To clarify, I believe the API functions to query order response / account data were changed.

Plz forgive my ignorance. Are the bots hostile toward Mtgox?

No, when I talk about bots, I mean the scripts that are written to trade on mtgox through their API. These scripts usually trade high volume (much more volume than users using the website interface).

Why do they use these bots? Do they analyzing data, and buying and selling btc automatically?

I run a market making bot.  It maintains orders on both sides of the book at 1.3% intervals.  When my buy orders are filled, it places a sell 1.3% higher.  When my sell orders are filled, it places a buy 1.3% lower.  I lose out when it trends continuously, but it stabilizes price and I turn a profit when the bulls and bears duke it out.  By keeping orders on the book, I help make it possible for companies like bitpay that need to accurately price and immediately convert bitcoins to USD and companies like bitinstant and coinbase that need to go the other way.

That is genuinely fascinating. Thanks for telling us how your operation works. Now here's a man who knows how percentages work. Do you mind if I ask a question plz? How efficient is the following trading method? Use the MACD to mark buy and sells, and when there is uncertainly or very weak trends, go half in. Basically hedge both ways. Is this an ok method? any suggestions would be appreciated plz?
1.3% intervals is obviously a figure you've arrived at after a great deal of trial?

I'm not sure I'd trust a single signal to trade on.  If you're looking for something simple, a balancing strategy is decent.  Basically, you keep 50% of your value in bitcoin and 50% in USD and rebalance once a week or so to maintain the ratio.  Obviously, you can use any ratio you want.  Keep a little more in bitcoin when things look bullish, keep a little more in fiat when you're bearish.

I wouldn't rely solely on one indicator. But MACD might be a primary, and refer to others to paint a more detailed picture. I've only been learning about indicators the last few days, so have a lot to learn.
I have no idea where to start with bots. Where to get one, or how to use it. I'm curious about such things, but probably dont have enough time or money to invest in btc to make it worth while. Or is it simpler than I might think?
Thanks again for your advice. I have some work to do on my trading method, and your a big help

Questing, you should look up technical analysis. A lot of bots will do this. I used to run a number of bots, one which ran arbitrage across a few brokers averaging out the price across them and others which used technical analysis. They are / can be very very successful if you know what you are doing. There is a lot of potential to make a lot of money doing this still. I turned my bots off recently to concentrate on other bitcoin projects, all funded using the profits I made bot trading.


notme: did you have to update your code recently with all the mtgox api changes? my scripts were caught out a number of times by mtgox upgrading their api. Last week it was them turning off anything sending orders to their non data.mtgox.com url.

I use this gem: https://github.com/sferik/mtgox

Usually others keep it up to date, but on occasion I've had to make some updates myself.  This is a perfect example of a situation where many eyes and users makes for much more robust software with less downtime.
3024  Economy / Speculation / Re: Trading Bots on: May 11, 2013, 06:13:49 PM
what do I need to run it? (on linux)

ruby (it was developed with 1.9, so 1.8 may or may not work)
Code:
gem install bundler
cd rubybot
bundle install
ruby bot.rb
3025  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is going on? Trading volume is so low! on: May 11, 2013, 02:47:56 AM

Since the DDOS yesterday, MtGox turned off API support for anything calling the older https://mtgox.com/api pages and is now only allowing orders to be placed through their data.mtgox.com url calls.

I haven't looked on the forum much but didnt see this announced anywhere. Over the next few days I imagine others who run bots will pick up on this, fix their code and re-start their bots.

*edit* To clarify, I believe the API functions to query order response / account data were changed.

Plz forgive my ignorance. Are the bots hostile toward Mtgox?

No, when I talk about bots, I mean the scripts that are written to trade on mtgox through their API. These scripts usually trade high volume (much more volume than users using the website interface).

Why do they use these bots? Do they analyzing data, and buying and selling XBT automatically?

I run a market making bot.  It maintains orders on both sides of the book at 1.3% intervals.  When my buy orders are filled, it places a sell 1.3% higher.  When my sell orders are filled, it places a buy 1.3% lower.  I lose out when it trends continuously, but it stabilizes price and I turn a profit when the bulls and bears duke it out.  By keeping orders on the book, I help make it possible for companies like bitpay that need to accurately price and immediately convert bitcoins to USD and companies like bitinstant and coinbase that need to go the other way.

That is genuinely fascinating. Thanks for telling us how your operation works. Now here's a man who knows how percentages work. Do you mind if I ask a question plz? How efficient is the following trading method? Use the MACD to mark buy and sells, and when there is uncertainly or very weak trends, go half in. Basically hedge both ways. Is this an ok method? any suggestions would be appreciated plz?
1.3% intervals is obviously a figure you've arrived at after a great deal of trial?

I'm not sure I'd trust a single signal to trade on.  If you're looking for something simple, a balancing strategy is decent.  Basically, you keep 50% of your value in bitcoin and 50% in USD and rebalance once a week or so to maintain the ratio.  Obviously, you can use any ratio you want.  Keep a little more in bitcoin when things look bullish, keep a little more in fiat when you're bearish.

Does this strategy work for you?

I have a collection of bot strategies that I simulate with Mt. Gox data. I manually tune the bots with "subsidies" or "taxes" depending on success, so I can discern which bot is the best. The "communist" strategy effectively does what you state (tries to maintain a 1:1 ratio of value), and it is among the bots which require the most "subsidies" to continue operating.

Fees will eat at you if you rebalance too often.  Once a week is the most often I'd recommend, once a month might even be more reasonable.  Not really a run all the time bot.  If you want to bot it, just have it run once a month.
3026  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 100,000 votes on Dropbox website and counting! bitcoin adoption imminent? on: May 11, 2013, 02:45:45 AM
adoption not imminent. It's also the lowest comment count item for anything above 40k votes. Considering each person has 6 votes, that's only 18k voters. Most vote just to try to push price of their investment up. Assuming they even get 5% of those people as new customers because of the change, that's still only $100k for the next year. Not worth it at this point.

2 days of programmer time isn't worth $100k?

I think there's more to risk thank 2 days of programmer time.

I think the moon is made of cheese.

See, I can make statements without any backing too.

What kind of risks are you talking about?  I'm not sure I agree there's $100k in it for them, but if there is they would be stupid to ignore it.  There is no technical or economical reason to not do it even for $1000.
3027  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is going on? Trading volume is so low! on: May 11, 2013, 02:41:26 AM

Since the DDOS yesterday, MtGox turned off API support for anything calling the older https://mtgox.com/api pages and is now only allowing orders to be placed through their data.mtgox.com url calls.

I haven't looked on the forum much but didnt see this announced anywhere. Over the next few days I imagine others who run bots will pick up on this, fix their code and re-start their bots.

*edit* To clarify, I believe the API functions to query order response / account data were changed.

Plz forgive my ignorance. Are the bots hostile toward Mtgox?

No, when I talk about bots, I mean the scripts that are written to trade on mtgox through their API. These scripts usually trade high volume (much more volume than users using the website interface).

Why do they use these bots? Do they analyzing data, and buying and selling btc automatically?

I run a market making bot.  It maintains orders on both sides of the book at 1.3% intervals.  When my buy orders are filled, it places a sell 1.3% higher.  When my sell orders are filled, it places a buy 1.3% lower.  I lose out when it trends continuously, but it stabilizes price and I turn a profit when the bulls and bears duke it out.  By keeping orders on the book, I help make it possible for companies like bitpay that need to accurately price and immediately convert bitcoins to USD and companies like bitinstant and coinbase that need to go the other way.

That is genuinely fascinating. Thanks for telling us how your operation works. Now here's a man who knows how percentages work. Do you mind if I ask a question plz? How efficient is the following trading method? Use the MACD to mark buy and sells, and when there is uncertainly or very weak trends, go half in. Basically hedge both ways. Is this an ok method? any suggestions would be appreciated plz?
1.3% intervals is obviously a figure you've arrived at after a great deal of trial?

I'm not sure I'd trust a single signal to trade on.  If you're looking for something simple, a balancing strategy is decent.  Basically, you keep 50% of your value in bitcoin and 50% in USD and rebalance once a week or so to maintain the ratio.  Obviously, you can use any ratio you want.  Keep a little more in bitcoin when things look bullish, keep a little more in fiat when you're bearish.
3028  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 100,000 votes on Dropbox website and counting! bitcoin adoption imminent? on: May 11, 2013, 01:27:19 AM
adoption not imminent. It's also the lowest comment count item for anything above 40k votes. Considering each person has 6 votes, that's only 18k voters. Most vote just to try to push price of their investment up. Assuming they even get 5% of those people as new customers because of the change, that's still only $100k for the next year. Not worth it at this point.

2 days of programmer time isn't worth $100k?


not even 2 days, just a phone call to bitpay

I was being generous, but yeah.... bitpay is stupid simple to work with.  I've coded for paypal, google wallet, dwolla, and a few small CC processing companies.  Bitpay covers all the bases from tight custom integration to simple click to buy buttons far better than any other single entity.  Dropbox would probably want tight integration with their existing accounting systems though so it may require a little custom code.
3029  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is going on? Trading volume is so low! on: May 11, 2013, 01:23:41 AM

Since the DDOS yesterday, MtGox turned off API support for anything calling the older https://mtgox.com/api pages and is now only allowing orders to be placed through their data.mtgox.com url calls.

I haven't looked on the forum much but didnt see this announced anywhere. Over the next few days I imagine others who run bots will pick up on this, fix their code and re-start their bots.

*edit* To clarify, I believe the API functions to query order response / account data were changed.

Plz forgive my ignorance. Are the bots hostile toward Mtgox?

No, when I talk about bots, I mean the scripts that are written to trade on mtgox through their API. These scripts usually trade high volume (much more volume than users using the website interface).

Why do they use these bots? Do they analyzing data, and buying and selling btc automatically?

I run a market making bot.  It maintains orders on both sides of the book at 1.3% intervals.  When my buy orders are filled, it places a sell 1.3% higher.  When my sell orders are filled, it places a buy 1.3% lower.  I lose out when it trends continuously, but it stabilizes price and I turn a profit when the bulls and bears duke it out.  By keeping orders on the book, I help make it possible for companies like bitpay that need to accurately price and immediately convert bitcoins to USD and companies like bitinstant and coinbase that need to go the other way.
3030  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 100,000 votes on Dropbox website and counting! bitcoin adoption imminent? on: May 11, 2013, 01:18:01 AM
adoption not imminent. It's also the lowest comment count item for anything above 40k votes. Considering each person has 6 votes, that's only 18k voters. Most vote just to try to push price of their investment up. Assuming they even get 5% of those people as new customers because of the change, that's still only $100k for the next year. Not worth it at this point.

2 days of programmer time isn't worth $100k?
3031  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: May 11, 2013, 12:59:21 AM
Gold is up now

BTC gonna crash like crazy

Yep... all the way up to yesterday's price Roll Eyes.
3032  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 10, 2013, 10:19:16 PM
My own little nagging to the bears.  Grin



3033  Economy / Speculation / Re: The short term bear case on: May 10, 2013, 09:47:03 PM


 Grin

3034  Economy / Speculation / Re: Going up! on: May 10, 2013, 07:50:35 PM
5% up, talk about an anti-climax bulls. Cheesy

I'll keep the popcorn ready, the drama from the upcoming selloff will be hilarious.

My bids are ready.
3035  Economy / Speculation / Re: Get in now before the long journey upward! on: May 10, 2013, 07:30:35 PM
My my, a non-ultra bullish smoothie?

He must have some fiat to spend.
3036  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 10, 2013, 05:40:08 PM
My gut is screaming bull trap

My gut is screaming bull trap, bear market, capitulation, and bear trap all at the same time.


Getting mixed signals here.

Sounds like you just have indigestion.
3037  Economy / Speculation / Re: Going up! on: May 10, 2013, 05:39:32 PM
Am I the only seeing that the oscillation created by the bubble/crash has been damped?

This happened during the first bubble too





I say it's gonna slowly go up again. Slowly because some people are still butthurt and cautious.

market makers
3038  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [IDEA] BTCUSD betting app on: May 10, 2013, 05:38:26 PM
Quite often I find myself in a passionate discussion with my friends about the future BTCUSD rate, so I was thinking about building a simple website where I can state: in 10 days the rate will be at, let's say, 200. After 10 days, my bet is distributed amongst players with better guess. Would any of you find such service entertaining or is it nonsense?

http://betsofbitco.in/
3039  Economy / Speculation / Re: Automated posting on: May 10, 2013, 05:19:39 PM
[zzomgimg]http://www.rtcons.com/wall/15835.14.png[/img]
We really need an hourly autoposter? We can't just look at your web page if we want to?

It's posting under ChartBuddy so you can easily click ignore.

Most hours, it's the only post on topic. Is it really holding you back from seeing the cool animated gifs? Once an hour seems pretty good to me.

Thing is, regular bitcoinity wall pics are actually more useful. You can't really tell much about the walls with the 3d pic. It has a cool novelty factor, but that wears off pretty quickly. I have ignored the ChartBuddy  Tongue

Good for you.   I like it and would prefer if it continued.  I don't understand the impulse many people seem to have that anything they don't like should be banned (not you deepceleron, you took care of the problem instead of making a stink.  You only commented after it was brought up).  Three cheers for ChartBuddy!
3040  Economy / Speculation / Re: Going up! on: May 10, 2013, 09:45:24 AM
Maybe.... We need follow through volume for confirmation.
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