1. Stating they sold their stock of RMA boards is an unsubstantiated guess on your part designed to spread FUD. Dunno what your agenda is, or what you hope to achieve with those sorts of mud slinging speculative remarks.
I believe the RMA comment came a few pages back from KNC, but I might be wrong. I'd be interested to see it. I think its pure speculation. |
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The only news I care about is.. WHEN IS THE NEXT BATCH FOR SALE!  I'd hazard to guess, January at the earliest. You could probably pinpoint it more accurately if you knew when any of the competition will start shipping. Cointerra and Hashfast appear to be just vaporware at the moment, which I think is wierd because I felt sure they would deliver. |
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25,000+ first batch units on a mostly automated assembly line.
25,000?  Is that a guesstimate or based on anything official? I can't cite my source but I can say it's reliable to say that their order queue for first batch is near their maximum capacity for production. They had an order blog up at some point (not sure if they still do), but there were some huge orders on there, saw some single orders for more than 100 units. My KNC order prediction was very much on point, as has our difficulty estimate related to orders coming online, the past few times. Like I said about 500 pages back, when KNC comes online (as they have) difficulty is going to skyrocket, and keep doing so, and when Cointerra (and Hashfest if they ever do) comes online, it's going to cause eyes to pop. Their 2nd batch is already sold out too i think, and they're almost full on their 3rd. They're using a mostly-automated production line, several of them. They're the "KNC of America" as I've said before, except they've taken an even more hands-off approach. Chip design they handled, overall product design they handled, they outsourced everything else: Power, Cooling, Assembly, Shipment, etc. I don't doubt. I imagine US miners much prefer to deal with a US company - much easier shipping and suing!  Kinda explains why knc sold their stock of rma boards - they know they are going to be useless in a month or two, why keep them on hand? Who is going to rma a board when it'll then be the mining equivalent of a 5870 gpu in a few months? They will sell any miners left after the pre-orders are out the door. If no one wants them at that price, they'll sell them at reduced price to shift them. They've already added a clause saying that they will continue to sell through Dec, Jan etc if other companies add lots of to the hash power to the network (which is what is happening). They aren't going to hold on to equipment that will be redundant and no one wants in 4 months time.
I wouldn't be surprised if they retire and get out of the game after that. They are obviously gamblers, but they aren't stupid. It looks like their gamble will pay off, but probably not for their customers who gave them the free loan of millions (pre-orders).
I'd still be right about the last part if BTC had stayed at $120. But now it's quadrupled, everyone feels they are going to break even by doing fiat calculations. But if you paid 70BTC for a jup, if you got your order after the difficulty change on 16th October, you'll never see anywhere near 70BTC back mining with it. So anybody who thinks in btc see's they lost buying from knc. So I wonder if the fire-sale of boards was an indication they are planning to clean up and clear out? They might have one more go with a multi TH/s miner, but would they risk losing everything if they f it all up? 1. Stating they sold their stock of RMA boards is an unsubstantiated guess on your part designed to spread FUD. Dunno what your agenda is, or what you hope to achieve with those sorts of mud slinging speculative remarks. 2. KNC miners are for sale in $ and have always been for sale in $ if you converted your BTC into $ to buy by using bitpay then thats your problem, however the return should be calculated in $ 3. The only argument against buying miners is to have bought BTC instead at the time you might have bought your miner, but thats easy to say with hindsight. The point is that buying a miner makes you more likely to profit from BTC price hikes because you are more likely to be in for the duration, most coin traders would have sold all their coins at the first 10% price hike. |
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Thats not correct, the KNC miner requires no assembly other than plugging in a PC power supply.
I guess you have to know how to hotwire a PSU thats about it.
Only problem is that they are sold out.
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Actually I sat in a room one Saturday with General Electric's Critical Power Specialist who flew in specifically to address the issue, i'd wager he knows what he's talking about and the HX has fried components at a with a statistically significant reason for concern according to other posts on the internet. It's not solely limited to KnC boards.
Let me get this straight. A GE engineer claimed the problem wasn't caused by GE hardware, but by some other company's product? Do you see why people would question the results of this "test"? How about you fly in a Corsair engineer and get his opinion? Because Corsair don't have any "engineers" they don't make their own PSU's they get other companies to make them. So perhaps Channel Well who make the Corsair HX850 Gold, couldn't/wouldn't send an engineer over to a small company who aren't their customer in the first place? Come on guys, as I said before Bitcoinorama is just the conduit of information back and forth, as he said don't shoot the messenger. Bitcoinorama, on the other hand, don't take it personally if people question the process, just pass the information back to the team and then wait for more feedback. Don't bite back, or even worse feed trolls. |
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Me and my modules are on our way home! modules are ready. Who will be the first to hash with em? Mine is online in aprox 8hours. Knc was kind enough to let me buy fans from them too! My Norwegian suplier couldnt deliver them before 2weeks from now. Thank you knc Phew good to hear. I guess because you are pickup they let you know first hand. |
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Searing... you can flash back and fourth no problem...just remember to clear your browser casche every time. for me, the beta, and no gui or putty is best...  ok just to be clear I can simply flash back to .95 the same way I flashed forward to .99?\ probably an't gonna go back to .95 I've gained about 18gh in hashing on ave and 12gh on the pool so far and went from up 700 in WU Yep I go back to .96 all the time because none of the newer firmwares do anything to improve my Jupiter except make it use more power and then after a few days lose more GH/s So normally for me, its reflash 0.96, reboot, flash enablecores, reboot, flash bertmod (don't reboot) |
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Anyone else going to Stockholm today? I am almpst there and realy hope the modules are ready today. Long drive for nothing iftthey are not ready for some reason. Exited like a kid again!
Yes, me. I am at London Stansted, waiting at the gate to be boarded. Expert to be at Knc offices at around 13.30 local time. I asume you have some kind of Confirmation of Getting the modules today?;-) i am here now just arrived, i knew you were going so asumed only that they will be ready :O My status is still in progress, what does yours say? Regards Personally I wouldn't book unless I had written confirmation. You're just setting yourself up for aggravated disappointment otherwise. Most of you here have been her long enough to know how fickle delivery dates are in the miner manufacturing business. I hope it works out for you but am standing by for the unnecessary outburst in here if there is a delay. |
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If you install cgminer you will find a file in the directory called miner.php I guess you could stick it on your miner, but i have it hosted on a nas I have on my network, you can modify the php file to connect to your miner and report different things from the cgminer api. Its cool  |
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Yo, 1200W Gold rated PSUs November orders FTW pls!  So KnC recommends 1200W PSU for the November batch ? Why would you doubt me?? I doubt you because you made a non-technical correlation between two KNC customers and an unrelated forum post saying that the same brand had popped a motherboard. News flash, every manufactured PSU on the planet has popped a motherboard, usually to no fault of its own. Further the HX850 is a very stable PSU, we use them for 12V supplies in the lab and its what I have run on a dozen Jupiters for over a month. One thing I did notice, which I overlooked in the product pictures during ordering is that KNC did not properly ground each ASIC board. The PCI SIG clearly states that 6 pin auxiliary connectors are for 75W draw and 8 pin added two additional grounds, making it _SAFE_ to draw up to 150W. Note: don't be a moron and read the spec incorrectly, the PCIe edge connector itself can deliver 75W, the 6 pin aux gives an _additional_ 75W, for a total of 150W. The reason people have been popping boards is the combination of sloppy AC and the boards drawing too much power with not enough ground. It has little to do with choice of power supply. I altered my boards by scratching off a portion of the solder mask and soldering the additional two grounds. Then I sampled the VRM output voltage for two hours. End result less jitter. And I'm running off of 208V synthesized AC from a large bank of Liebert equipment. Long story short, if it didn't come straight from KNC's mouth, don't believe Orama's non-nonsensical, uneducated babbling. KNC never recommended one brand over another, the only thing they indicated was a minimum capacity, which was 850W. Until they post somehting on their website, ignore Orama. I think you are taking it too personally mate, Bitcoinorama just passes on information that he is given on the ground, in the KnC office where he is sitting. He gets asked questions here and other places, he then goes to the people who are there and asks them, or is in meeting where things get brought up, he then relays information back to us here, all with good intentions. To accuse him of making it up or lying or falsifying truths is just paranoid-conspiracy-theory-nutso. |
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I would not use PCI-E to molex adaptors for a jupiter. those were designed with the 75W PCI-E limit in mind, and a single jupiter ASIC draws far more than 75w
 But that 75W limit is how much the card can fully drawn thru the x16 PCIe connector, not the power cables you plug into the card itself. |
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Brack Friday Bunduru?
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I like watercooling in order to move the sonic fan vibrations off-chip. However, having never used water, the pictures look like the pump is at the chip. Anyone know the physics of the water pumps? (turbine, etc)
What sort of vibration pulses (freq&) will be transmitted to the chip?
I'd think it'd play into a percentage of chips over time, maybe too long a time to be concerned with mining, but I'd still put the pump at the radiator or inline between the radiator and chip.
------ But no one ever asks me ----- haha
For a H80/H60 the pumps are on the chip, the one I showed is a custom watercooled setup, the pumps are actually housed in a reservoir in the drive bays of the computer, so quite a way away from the hardware. Why would you be worried about the freq transmitted to the chip either from fans or from a pump? |
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There is still no sign of a fix for the out of memory condition killing cgminer. I wouldn't be pleased to have a nice shiny new november order Jupiter dying periodically for such a simple well known reason, losing hours sitting there waiting for me to wake up and notice because they neglected to include a watchdog to keep the thing running and/or neglected to ensure their software fit into the amount of RAM they saw fit to build into the unit...
-MarkM-
I believe the issue there is/was while using Bertmod, the ram is otherwise sufficient. It has 512MB of DDR3 You have something else going on? I agree with Mark there is a memory leak somewhere, on some machines at least. I've had the best luck with running cgminer 3.7.2 manually after killing the one that comes with the knc firmware, but even then after 3 days free memory has dropped 100MB, from 250MB down to 150MB free, I haven't had it drop so low that it stops mining like Mark has, but I've seen it drop down to the 12MB free mark before I rebooted. **BIFFA*** I think you "Hit the nail on the head" This could surely explain the tapering down of speed after a reboot to such nice levels... Also, someone mentioned earlier about staying off the status page helping out a bit...so far...I must agree. No Putty, no GUI, just monitoring from the pool seems to help OK just for reference, as you may or may not remember my Jupiter really only runs well on 0.96 So I have been running it on vanilla 0.96 (cgminer 3.4.0) for 3 days solid, and memory usage is tiny. Mem: 48476K used, 462096K free, 0K shrd, 28K buff, 36732K cached |
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A H80 and an i30 have roughly equivalent performance. Given that it appears these cores actually like running warm, I'm not sure what watercooling would achieve. But I am obviously not discounting or disparaging giving it a go Watercooling has been my thing for a while now, my latest creation (bit OTT) was a quad Titan monster. Most of which I sold to buy my Jupiter I have tried hot and cold -- no difference. I cannot cool them below 52C (I have tried up to 65C) and maybe that would be better. I don't know cause I can't test. So I am agnostic on the hot/cold issue. And it is a cool monster (Pun intended)! Agreed, my jupiter sits at 52, 53, 51, 65 or 44.0 ℃ 48.0 ℃ 54.5 ℃ 44.0 ℃ now as its midnight and about 5 degrees outside. Nothing seems to affect it temperature wise, one core is alwasy 10 degrees C hotter than the others and performance is the same either way. |
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Our website and server are now live again. Thank-you for your patience
I'm in Sydney Australia. What hardware is this based on? Having a device mining means there is a driver of some sort that will mine on it. If it isn't cgminer, then what is it? (and what's wrong with it) If it is cgminer, then it's either a custom driver we've never heard about, or ... We support drivers we have hardware for - since it's clearly not possible to do that with hardware we don't have. You can overnight a device to me and I'll verify what it is, that it works and thus that you guys are legitimate. If it doesn't have a cgminer driver, and you do have the actual hardware specs, I can of course write a driver for it also. Good move kano |
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A H80 and an i30 have roughly equivalent performance. Given that it appears these cores actually like running warm, I'm not sure what watercooling would achieve. But I am obviously not discounting or disparaging giving it a go Watercooling has been my thing for a while now, my latest creation (bit OTT) was a quad Titan monster. Most of which I sold to buy my Jupiter  |
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I went over to pickup my Jupiter in October and I'll go over to pick another one up, hopefully in a few weeks. It cost the same to fly as it did to ship Plus I might get another t-shirt from Orama  Never happened! I've got another bag! |
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...annnnnd this thread is starting to give me cancer again.
Yes they could have conducted this upgrade sale better but OMG I can barely read some of this crap. What is it that makes so many bitcoin miners insanely emotional and entitled?
If I was in KNC shoes I would make a preferred customers list and blacklist 90% of the people here since there is no lack of demand for their products and a seemingly infinite supply of emotionally immature customers with an overwhelming feeling of entitlement. They could save themselves a lot of grief that way...
If you are so unhappy close this thread, never come back and don't buy KNC products.
It's not 90% of the people. It's 5-10 people only 5-10 people making 90% of the posts |
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If you were them, wouldn't you include the price of the shipping in the total price and offer free shipping? In terms of revenue you would get the same amount of money, but also you will get happy customers. Or charge $30 for shipping and change the product price accordingly.
Can you think of a single reason why charging $180 for shipping, instead of including that in the price is better?
I don't have a BA (Hons) Business Studies degree, so I wouldn't presume an attempt at an answer. LOL sorry CYPER but this was funny You are free to laugh as long as Tehfiend allows it, so do check with him. I will be laughing all the way to Stockholm, while going to get my new shiny boards and exchange my faulty ones. If I bought 10 I would have saved $600 on shipping and could hire a helicopter to go there in style I went over to pickup my Jupiter in October and I'll go over to pick another one up, hopefully in a few weeks. It cost the same to fly as it did to ship Plus I might get another t-shirt from Orama |
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