Definitely Interesting
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Interested and can help with the Distribution or Marketing
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and totally anarchy is the answer then? Look at the amount of scams and manipulations going on in the Crypto world. Would you prefer that to continue? Because if it does, CryptoCurrency will never be accepted by the mainstream as it will be deemed unsafe. As a matter of fact, if Crypto fails, I am predicting that it won't fail because of the big bad regulators that everyone seems to be petrified off. It will fail because of scams and manipulations that are rampant here. Look at what MT Gox did to the Crypto world in just 2 weeks.
If anyone is so adamant and gung ho about zero regulations, then please convert all your money from your heavily regulated bank controlled accounts (which you so much oppose) into Bitcoins and store them in the unregulated safety of wonderful exchanges such as Mt Gox.
Let's also not forgot that the Bitcoin protocol itself is controlled by a select few.
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Someone needs to sticky a warning to avoid cryptsy at all cost
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Can someone re-post the mac os x wallet as it seems to be down? Thanks
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UtopianFuture, I don't see myself on the spreadsheet and I've already paid per the above. Can you please add me? Thanks
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not really.. all altcoins are down now because of the ripple effect from bitcoin
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Wait till it goes down a bit more and then buy
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Then there is no need to gather fund for BTC or announcing it yet. Why not start it and take risk... release IPO ir whatever when is ready?
Because I can't code it alone. How much money do we need in order to start the coding? Or we still have to look for the people to code? I'm thinking the same thing. Also are the developer's confident that they can deliver? What happen to the funds if they also don't? There's been a multitude of IPO scams going on here so having a coin released in beta would help or giving a stake to the developers instead of funds would lend credibility and faith in the project itself. The concept is a good one though as it tackles a huge issue with Bitcoin and other cyrptocurrencies out there.
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So it's worth 1 euro per coin because you say so?
Not quite sure you understand how market pricing works.
1 Euro is worth what it is because millions upon million of people, as well as major financial institutions worth billions of Euros, Dollars, Pounds, Yen, you name it- say it is.
How will you make everyone agree 1 Major Piece is with 1 Euro? I hear a crazy idea with nothing to back it up.
While this is a valid argument it does not necessarily fit in to this idea quite the way you envision it. While it is true that we are relying on a bit of faith from people to believe the coin is worth what we say it is worth it is no different than a person having to put in faith that their dollar will actually mean something or that their Yen will mean something. By saying that it will be worth one euro we have already planned for part of this faith issue. Also on the issue of changing market value we have seen that this issue cannot arise because the true value will always be that of a euro. It’s not like gold or oil were the price can be arbitrarily inflated or deflated based on faith and amount of product. Also while people can hope and believe that their one dollar is actually worth more than it is it is only worth what it is at that point and time. So while people may say that the Major Piece is worth more or less then the euro they are actually wrong because it has already been decided that the value will only fluctuate directly with the value of the Euro. Decided by whom? You really have no understanding of how basic economics works. You can't have something worth something else simply because you "decided" and "dictated" its going to be that. People assess value on something because it is either backed something else (dollar is backed by US economy, Euro is backed by Eurozone, meaning within those regions I can use dollar and euro as a means of exchange for service or products) or based on speculation which 100% of crypto world fall into as none of the crypto is backed by any economy. Speculation = wild price fluctuation which is what you are not aiming for. At the very least, many of the other coins are driven by speculation around a new type of encryption, code, feature, future utility and even value of meme. Yours has absolutely none of that except for the fact that you are going to somehow magically will everyone in the world to value your coin at 1 euro and not just make them will it at 1 euro, but make them will it at 1 euro forever. As I also mentioned before, not even fiat currencies stay stable and also are subject to fluctuations and teams of economists, governments do their best to try minimize this fluctuation (to prevent widespread panic and bank runs) but will never be able to completely stop it as it is DEPENDENT ON THE VALUE PEOPLE ASSESS TO IT AND ARE WILLING TO TRADE THEIR GOODS AND SERVICES PER THAT VALUE ASSESSED. Unless you've come with some mind control technique, this is impossible. Why is this hard to understand! What I bolded in what you said. Euro works because you can exchange it for a product. Well if Major Piece can be used to trade for products on line then it should be able to work under the same concept. If you can figure out how to do that, then by all means. After 5 years, Bitcoin is just beginning to become accepted by some retailers, however, this is still a very small fraction (less than .000001 %) and the price is still fluctuating wildly. What the op is proposing is an impossibility that no human being has ever achieved unless he comes up with a mind control technique to brain wash the masses into valuing this his altcoin at a constant 1 Euro no matter what based on the simple fact that he said so. Why stop there? Let's peg to a bar of gold simply because we say so. He fails to understand the principles of supply and demand and market valuation to which every single currency is subject to, fiat or crypto. It always has been that way and it will always continue to be that way as long as human beings exist.
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Please have some common sense. These fraudsters plain out robbed people of $38 million because they knew they could get away with it. The only theft that occurred was an internal theft at their own hands. All the $$$ they were getting from the transaction fees and artificially manipulating the price of Bitcoin wasn't enough. Greed will be the downfall of this movement not the regulators.
Thankfully, as soon as I saw the $100 discrepancy between MT GOX and the rest of the exchanges back in December, I knew something was off and stayed the hell away from GOX.
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Price is already going back up. The litmus test of whether you've invested too much is if you panic when price drops. Invest only what you're willing to lose and stick with it the whole way through or until your exit strategy kicks in. I hate to say it but this is a game of people making logical trading decisions outsmarting people making emotional based decisions who end up losing out much like the stock market.
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Signed up as well. This looks interesting.
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So it's worth 1 euro per coin because you say so?
Not quite sure you understand how market pricing works.
1 Euro is worth what it is because millions upon million of people, as well as major financial institutions worth billions of Euros, Dollars, Pounds, Yen, you name it- say it is.
How will you make everyone agree 1 Major Piece is with 1 Euro? I hear a crazy idea with nothing to back it up.
While this is a valid argument it does not necessarily fit in to this idea quite the way you envision it. While it is true that we are relying on a bit of faith from people to believe the coin is worth what we say it is worth it is no different than a person having to put in faith that their dollar will actually mean something or that their Yen will mean something. By saying that it will be worth one euro we have already planned for part of this faith issue. Also on the issue of changing market value we have seen that this issue cannot arise because the true value will always be that of a euro. It’s not like gold or oil were the price can be arbitrarily inflated or deflated based on faith and amount of product. Also while people can hope and believe that their one dollar is actually worth more than it is it is only worth what it is at that point and time. So while people may say that the Major Piece is worth more or less then the euro they are actually wrong because it has already been decided that the value will only fluctuate directly with the value of the Euro. Decided by whom? You really have no understanding of how basic economics works. You can't have something worth something else simply because you "decided" and "dictated" its going to be that. People assess value on something because it is either backed something else (dollar is backed by US economy, Euro is backed by Eurozone, meaning within those regions I can use dollar and euro as a means of exchange for service or products) or based on speculation which 100% of crypto world fall into as none of the crypto is backed by any economy. Speculation = wild price fluctuation which is what you are not aiming for. At the very least, many of the other coins are driven by speculation around a new type of encryption, code, feature, future utility and even value of meme. Yours has absolutely none of that except for the fact that you are going to somehow magically will everyone in the world to value your coin at 1 euro and not just make them will it at 1 euro, but make them will it at 1 euro forever. As I also mentioned before, not even fiat currencies stay stable and also are subject to fluctuations and teams of economists, governments do their best to try minimize this fluctuation (to prevent widespread panic and bank runs) but will never be able to completely stop it as it is DEPENDENT ON THE VALUE PEOPLE ASSESS TO IT AND ARE WILLING TO TRADE THEIR GOODS AND SERVICES PER THAT VALUE ASSESSED. Unless you've come with some mind control technique, this is impossible. Why is this hard to understand!
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So who is holding the 1,000,000,000 Euros to back it? Who is holding the gold to back up the USD? Who is holding the funds to back up Bitcoins? How exactly are you going to keep the price at 1 euro? As my explanation above details, he(they?) won't be able too. It'll be a speculative vehicle like all other crypto's. With no demand outside of alternative crypto exchanges, he/they will never maintain stability. Law of Supply and Demand is a brutal teacher. If he/they release the coin as is currently planned, he/they will see really quickly the law of supply and demand will take hold and if there is no backing, and no demand for his/their currency it will collapse. He/they has no understanding of currency stability or backing at all.. It's pretty apparent. There hasn't been gold backing the USD since the Nixon Shock of 1971 Nixon severed the gold standard and replaced it with the Petro Dollar. Ever since then the dollar only has value because OPEC only accepts dollars for their oil. If OPEC were to take a basket of currencies other than the dollar, the dollar would collapse over night. The ONLY thing that gives the dollar value is the DEMAND for oil. It's a great scheme, but it's doomed to failure. If the devs get this into exchanges at a flat rate and allow it to be traded with other alt-coins I could see it working, but that's the only way. I think it would provide a lot of benefits and people would do it. There are so many advantages. I also like his giving some one 3 quarters for a dollar does not crash the value of the dollar example. You say "if there is no demand" What if there is a large demand. Because there is a large demand for a stable coin. Bitcoin took forever to take off but it did slowly one person at a time. Why wouldn't that be okay with this? The dollar = oil. What about Euros? Also I don't think this is meant to be different than the Euro to the poster above this one. I think it's meant to be an online version of the Euro. EDIT: I don't understand why everyone keeps saying there's no demand. How do you know? I personally think there is a HUGE demand for a stable coin. Maybe it won't have quite a lot at first but it may grow. It won't work due to person to person transactions, or even exchanges the dev doesn't have a relationship or an agreement with. For example, say I take all 10Mh and mine this coin during release. I decide to undercut the market by selling a large quantity at half a euro. Yes, a small transaction won't kill the market, but large transactions at less than value will destroy a currency. If you want or need any proof look at Argentina and what they've gone through for the past decade with their unstable currency. There is a huge demand for a stable coin, but backing it with a centrally controlled infinitely inflating currency is not the answer. If he personally had 1 Billion Euro to back each individual coin, then yes, he could maintain parity with the Euro. But if not, it's just going to float like all fiat currencies do. The market will determine the value whether you or the dev like it or not. The ONLY stable currencies were those backed by precious metals. Unfortunately if you back a digital currency, you're setting yourself up for failure as we know central banks don't really care for competition. They'll use the excuse of bullshit money laundering laws to close down the precious metal warehouse, confiscate all precious metals, and for your trouble, send you to prison for a couple of decades. I know there is no demand, because no one has asked for a digital currency backed by a fiat currency. Where is the demand coming from that is going to maintain the parity price the dev is advocating for? What store can I spend this digital currency in? Who is going to pay me thousands of Euro's if I decide to cash out? The moment you can't maintain that parity which you WON'T because the Dev doesn't have 1 billion Euro, and neither do the exchanges to maintain that price the currency will depreciate in value. This is simple economics. What aren't you getting? Lol, I just love the crypto world, it get's entertaining day after day I want to create British Pound Sterling coin and will it on the whole world to accept British Pound Sterling coin for one British Pound simply because I said so! and it's going to work and stay stable when not even the fiat currencies themselves whom we all consider "stable" relative to crypto currencies which are actually BACKED by the economies of their respective countries can stay stable themselves. Look at the value of the dollar in 1920 and the value of it now.
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We'll just have to add that to the list of other scams that Cryptsy conducts including not crediting people's wallets after a new coin hits their exchange so that they can artificially jack up the prize, dump coin while price is high, start slowly crediting people's accounts, price tanks with increase of supply, and finally the rest of the accounts are credited. They've been caught doing this 5 times with Vertcoin already.
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Really guys?? Trust: -6: -1 / +0(0) Warning: Trade with extreme caution! Ignore
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Here is an interesting chart (as of 2/6/2014): Obviously most people (myself included), that hold a decent amount of BTC are holding them in different wallets, however the above chart shows that if your btc wallet address holds more than 0.01 BTC, that you are currently in the top 1% of the bitcoin richest addresses. This is an interesting distribution chart, as the number of addresses holding 1k or more bitcoins is very small in comparison to the world's population. Where do you sit? Does the stats strike a resemblance to something that is extremely familiar?
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Sorry to hear that man. Never ever invest more than you're willing to lose. If I lost everything I put in right now, I would still be good. I would say if you really really need the money, get it out. If not, just hold on for a while, it'll go back up.
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