many people claim they want decentralization but as soon as they realise it's more expensive, more slow, more aggravating and more demanding they usually flip and start trying to chip away at the idea while claiming they still love it.

look at all the endless attempts to centralize bitcoin, some of which is succeeding such as mining.

what we need is an event that proves the necessity of maintaining it. i dunno what that event would consist of but it would need to be a scary one.

your prime option for amounts like that is OTC places like circle and genesis trading, but it looks like OTC is booming so you might be competing with alot of other buyers. the main alternative is to park yourself on several exchanges and drip buys over a few weeks or look at the daily auctions on gemini.com.

interesting to see this. for a while it looked like it was completely abandoned. and since they ain't making any more i guess that's only been postponed. i saw quite a few reports of people with dead ledger blues. i was tempted by the idea. i dodged a bullet there.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1410577.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1242788.0

threads here.

it seems kind of hard to figure what's working and what isn't. i signed up for monaco and all i got was a place on a waiting list.

what country are you in? that's gonna have a bearing on what you can access.

holder all day long simply because it's much easier to be good at sitting and doing nothing. even good traders can easily lose everything with a handful of moves after years of doing well and there really aren't many good traders. everyone's good until they're not any more.

you have to choose the right coin of course and get in at the right time to hold successfully.

they could simply ban anything that doesn't have a straightforward paper or blockchain trail. i've no idea how they'd do that and their version would probably be terrible but they're gonna try.

what we need is a closed crypto loop. by that point i'd be really interested to see what they'll try to do as little bubbles of crypto float away from them forever.

i don't believe bitcoin can ever be dislodged and usurped. its market share can certainly be pushed further down, but it'll never not be right up there.

i do believe ethereum can be replaced by something better. ethereum has a job to do. some of the time it doesn't do that job very well. someone will come up with something that does the job better, cheaper and safer.

i can't bring myself to sympathise with anyone who thought this was a promising proposal. that reads like something put together by a school kid. this was always a dead end milking the good will they generated.

whoever ran it should be pursued to the ends of the earth but the people who gave them money need to slap themselves too.

props to the OP. he nailed it completely.

if there isn't a real burst, and there certainly hasn't been yet, then we're setting ourselves up for a really catastrophic one further down the line.

i just don't see how most of the alts out there can possibly justify a fraction of their current valuations. after all this time and hype none of them have any real value and it's patently obvious too. no one's being lied to here, they're simply refusing to think about what some of this junk should be valued at.

at least with the dotcom bubble real companies were involved with measurable metrics, even though most of them were terrible. here there's nothing backing up anything.

according to that linked reddit thread the (real) electrum guys said that the electrum.com domain owner was asking the price of a house in 2012. 25 btc wouldn't buy much of a house in many places these days. i'd be very interested to know how this guy got his hands on the domain especially since it should be worth more than it was in 2012, not less.

i think he has some valid points such as needing to address volatility, burning electricity, simplicity and ease of use.

but these are all things that bitcoin itself is likely, and incentivized, to solve for itself given enough time. by the time goldman coin is out bitcoin will have a decade or two of history, much wider adoption, most flaws dealt with and will have worked almost perfectly 24/7 since inception. that's quite some catching up to do.

for better or worse many of the forks have potential for huge, huge pumps sometime in the future.

we've seen absolute shit like bitcoin plus and bitcoin dark go crazy on poloniex and i'm sure some of the later forks are better propositions, not that that really matters.

don't underestimate how stupid buyers are when whales initiate a pump. these forks are ideal for them as people virtually give them away and a lot of the supply will never be claimed.

i'd more confident in a bitcoin fork pump that most of the stuff out there. it's simply a matter of waiting. bitcoin gold is a prime candidate.

i didn't know that. maybe that is a glimmer of hope for more bitcoin stuff then.

despite what goes in the background it's still a wallet i like a lot and would hope that they carry on making it better. i've never had one issue with it. i've had plenty with copay not working on me.

the ICO thing does leave a very bad taste but anyone putting money into a proposal that vague and unappetizing should have thought twice.

has anyone used this yet? it arrived in today's update.

the only use i'd have for it is spending bcash with bitpay so hopefully they're fully integrated with their payment protocol.

i find it pretty weird they can be bothered to create something like this but still no segwit. i have no idea what goes on in their heads.

See y'all. You won't be back other than to express your bitterness. Just another piece of roadkill on the highway. have you not learnt a lesson or two along the way?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8ig4bh/electrum_pro_is_not_bitcoin_stealing_malware_as/

Looks like they've exit scammed and blamed the real electrum for it too. Classy guy.

Electrum has been a thing since alloys have existed, nothing to do with btc.

I guess it was bought up during a domain splurge. Those early adopters must be making millions from leasing their domains.

nope.

https://github.com/semuxproject/semux/issues/621 this one?

stuff like this is the exchange's job. there are hundreds of coins without these features being bought and sold just fine. momentum should be preserved and increased. this 'issue' is getting on for six months old.

this makes no sense. an exchange wallet is just another wallet. it's no threat to network security. either the network works or it don't. if you're worried about the security of an exchange's wallet, no one's forcing you to use it.

considering non existent junk can wind up on any exchange, what's the hold up with this? it doesn't make much sense to be a fully established project with zero exchange presence.