“We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”

Richard Dawkins

Fair enough, you are one of the few posters that do reference their views with scientific papers, and I commend you for that. Do you have access to the paper itself and would be willing to post it in full so I can read it? I'm not going to pay $30 plus to access a paper.

Don't forget though that for every paper denying the causes of climate change, there are multiple more which oppose that view. It's worth noting that the paper you reference comes from a book, rather than one of the more reputable scientific journals such as Nature or the Royal Society.

To be fair, I think certain members of both sides act in this way. Examples of the right-wing electorate acting in this way could be things like screaming about gay marriage, non-christian temples being erected in their vicinity, taxes on oil and gasoline, importation of foreign goods (even though they may be half the price of the same goods in America) etc.

I think the problem is, the supporters of both sides (Hilary vs Trump) have become so polarized that we only see the extreme aspects of each side. This results in people on the right being branded as "racists/bigots" and people on the left branded as "snowflakes/commies", even when these individuals have valid arguments.

Similar thing happened in the UK with Brexit, people who wanted to leave were branded as racists because they wanted control over immigration, and remainers were branded as ignorant pussies who were happy to let "muslim rapist refugees" enter their country. Similar problem, where instead of addressing people's arguments directly and intelligently, they are insulted, polarising the electorate more and more.

It's also worth noting that the most extreme comments tend to come from a small minority of individuals, whereas the majority are much less extreme on both sides. I think this is becasue the media like to propagate the extreme stories more than the others, to make more money - an unavoidable result of free press, capitalism and a lot of dumb people who lap it all up...

Believe what you want mate, I don't give a shit. I'm just pointing out how illogical it is to base your life on a book written by a bunch of mortals a couple of thousand years ago. I don't believe in the Egyptian Book of the Dead (which predates the Quran), and I don't think I'll need to weigh my heart as judgement before entering the afterlife. Does that make me a bad person?

Oh and you can fuck right off by insinuating that I want to kill muslims, don't put words in my mouth you little bitch. I have respect for most people on this planet but I have no patience for people that try and push their religious bullshit and propaganda down my throat. Still, doen't mean I want to kill them.

Stop playing the victim and formulate some coherent arguments you close minded fuckwit.

Jesus christ, can't you just kill yourself already, or at least stop posting on this board. I think the words that emanate from your keyboard are giving me cancer.

What a load of absolute bullshit. These videos are simply taking half of a face, then superimposing it (reflected) on the other half of the face, giving an unrealistic vetical line of symmetry down the middle.

Then when you increase the contrast, colour saturation etc. you inevitably end up with symmetrical points of light and dark on each side, which the human brain deciphers as "demons", "creatures" or "familiar shapes", due to a highly studied effect called Pareidolia.

It's actually very interesting, and explains how humans are so good at recognising faces. But in this context it's fucking ridiculous (especislly with the generic "conspiracy" music in the background).

Actor_TT - are you gonna refute my points or are you just a bot which lacks the necessary cognitive power to do so?

It would be nice if we had some proper scientists on BCT that reference actual papers, rather than a bunch of paranoid armchair experts sourcing questionable sources (often linked with fossil fuel, big oil companies).

Free speech is a wonderful thing, yet potentially very dangerous as well (especially when money is involved)

You think that the answer to overpopulation is to kill certain members of the country that don't adhere to the leader's subjective idea of a model citizen? Even though this leader has been literally murdering people?

bryant coleman, the Pol Pot of Bitcointalk 

by this logic, if we exist as a result of god, then god must exist as a result of a higher god. And the higher god must exist as the result of a Super God - it's gods all the way up!

Seriously though, on topic there is research to suggest that the belief in a higher power to explain natural phenomena (earthquakes/lightning/tsunamis/tornados/floods etc.), actually helped humans become more advanced.

As an example, they noticed that when the seasons changed and the stars appeared in different places, they recognized good times to grow crops and have chiildren. They probably thought the "star gods" and "sun god" were teaching them a better, more efficient way of life.

Of course now we know that that's mostly bullshit, but the religious myths arguably had a positive influence on humans success in the world.

I'm surprised by the number of people saying they would rather die of starvation than eat their dead mother/another dead person.

I totally understand that it wouldn't be a very pleasant thing to do, but sometimes in survival situations you have to make difficult decisions in order to stay alive.

I reckon a lot of people here would change their mind if they found themselves in a life or death situation with no other options.

It's similar to when mountain climbers hack off their own arm or leg to escape - most people could never bring themselves to do such a thing, but when your life is on the line people prioritise things differently.

The survival instinct of humans is very strong, but we don't see that side of people very often because we've made the modern world so safe and friendly.

Ah yes of course, the mental religious user bararily brands people as "evil", when he freely admits that the only reason that he doesn't rape, steal and murder everyone in sight is because he's scared his god might punish him for it.

Guy's a fucking lunatic, good luck reasoning with that dumb cunt 

On topic, yeah this "research" seems like utter bullshit, made me chuckle though!

OK, first show me evidence that temperature changes in ancient times occurred as rapidly as they are now. Bonus points if you can tell me the CO2 ppm at the time.

Your second point doesn't make sense because you seem to have contradicted your first point. How can there be evidence for such rapid changes, if there are no measurement methods for the changes?

Pick one, and we'll discuss it.

OK you little bitch, in what way am I full of shit?


Would talking to a satanist or a christian or even a buddhist be a real waste of time too? Learn to respect other peoples points of view you pitiful, indoctrinated fool.


You first said: "I believe in god and its the ONLY reason that stops me and LOTS of believers from doing bad things like eating a human."
Then you said: "no i will not eat or hurt anyone even if there is no god BUT if i see that everyone is evil than i will make sure to fuck them right and fight for my self."

You didn't answer my question of whether you would feel guilt or remorse for your actions. So, how would you feel?


So now you're backtracking to your earlier answer - you WOULD commit immoral crimes if there was no god - You just said you would steal everyone's things that let them be better than you.
I would say that the better person wouldn't steal from his fellow citizens - instead he would work together to make the community a better place.

And I already gave you that ONE REASON why most people don't do this - It's because they feel something called EMPATHY for their fellow humans. After all, I (and the majority of my country) don't believe in any god, and most of us don't go round stealing, raping, murdering or suicide bombing each other - we may not believe in punishment in the afterlife, but we are empathetic towards our fellow humans so we don't try to kill them. It's not fucking rocket surgery mate...


Not the right ones apparently - that's why we have suicide bombers blowing up innocent children, politicians dealing arms to create wars in foreign lands to make money until their 90 years old, and then we have an innocent, kind afghani muslim who followed the teachings of Allah his whole life, whose was killed together with his whole family in a freak IED accident. Some nice guy this god must be, think he needs to try harder with the whole "stopping people killing each other", right?

Here's an interesting quote for you to ponder:


Makes you think, right?


  So you pulled my reply from the other thread, well done! If you look it up, then you'll find that the "long pig" name is true. I have never actually tried it (yet), so if you could refrain from branding me a "dirty human eater" then that would be great.

And I probably won't bother to answer any more posts of yours, you're boring me now with your shitty logic and badly thought out arguments. Plus I'm starting to lose the buzz from the vodka and energy drink I had earlier and this shit is beginning to bore me.

For your sake I hope we're not together on a plane crash in a deserted area any time soon. And if we are, I hope your survival skills are up to scratch and you ate all of your airline food..............

Damn straight! But apparently it tastes like pork, hence the nickname "long pig".

Long, because the muscles in the human body tend to be long and thin. And pig, because of the bacony flavour 

That video is terrible. The speaker uses fallacies to propagate false truths. Just in the first 3 minutes he tells a member of the audience that he is religious when the guy specifically said he doesn't believe in religion, just a "power". This could be any power, a pantheist idea of perhaps the laws of physics being a "power". That does not equate to a religion. Then he just says "we need to believe in god because he created us". Circular bullshit logic.

You CANNOT prove god through scientific means, that goes against the whole idea of faith and the nature of god. If you could prove god in these means, it would not be a god.

Anyway, the point about robbing is really stupid. Agreed, some people (sociopaths/psychopaths) wouldn't care who they robbed. But most morally sound people (myself included) would say that robbing someone actually would affect me negatively, as I experience something called "empathy". This is the key point that the speaker in your video doesn't incorporate, and it's very important to humans success on this planet.

If I was to do something bad to someone else, I would feel guilt and remorse, as I would empathise with them and their family. I don't need belief in a sky fairy to have empathy to my fellow human. That's why us humans are so succesful on this earth. In fact, atheists tend to be much more tolerant than radical religious people (eg Westboro Baptist Church, Scientologists, radical Islamic terrorists etc.) When was the last time you heard of an "Atheist terrorist attack"?

As for his last point about Hitler and his punishment, that is fucking nonsense. He's basically saying that "Hitler burned [sic] 6m Jews, but just burning him is an unfair punishment, because that's burning 1 person vs 6m. That is why we have Hell, where we burn him once, then give him new skin and burn him again and again for eternity"

That logic is ridiculous. There's no evidence for Hell, and we frequently see good people die and bad people become succesful. If anything, that's a better argument for the non-existence of god, rather than a weak argument for the "usefulness" of hell (which has yet to be proven to exist).

I could just make up a horrible place (let's call it SuperHell) where bad people go when they die and get punished for eternity by the SuperDevil. That explains why bad people get away with bad things, because then they go to the SuperHell for eternal damnation! Lesson, don't do bad things. I made that up, but it's no different from the guy's argument in the video.


Anyway, the moral of the story is, when people are dead, they're dead and it doesn't really matter whether they get eaten or not.
The second observation, my friend bararily, is if the ONLY thing stopping you from robbing, raping and killing your fellow humans for personal gain is the fear of hell and the wrath of god, then that makes you a pretty psychopathic person.

To be clear, I'll ask you again to answer my hypothetical question:

If you DIDN'T believe in god and knew for a fact that god and hell didn't exist, would you murder, rape, rob and even eat people with no remorse whatsoever?

I await your answer, a yes or no would be fine.

Intermission: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxtmQDCyLE8

Wow. So the only reason you're not a cannibal is because you believe you will be judged by god if you commit such a sin? You believe that god's wrath is the ONLY thing that stops you from commiting murder and cannibalism? That's insane.

Hypothetical question then: If you DIDN'T believe in god and knew for a fact that god didn't exist, you would murder and eat people with no remorse whatsoever? If that's true then you're a fucking sociopath my friend. I don't believe in any god, but I don't do things like this because I have my own moral standard, the main moral being "don't do unto others what you wouldn't want done to yourself". I haven't killed or eaten anyone alive by the way, and not because some book written by some ancient scholars told me it was bad - I worked that out on my own  

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the discussion is based on the fact that there are no other forms of sustenance easily available (according to the line in the OP: "until alternate supplies can be found")

Of course you would look to gather plants/hunt animals first - the dilemma here (if you hadn't gathered it yet) is that your mother's body is the only nutrition available.

That's the whole point of this thought experiment.

ridery99, can you repeat that in an intelligible format, rather than a hyperbolic brain fart? Because I have no fucking idea what any of that means.

OK, "Putin" should give nice signals to the "free people" to fight against "globalist mind-controllers" that plan to "destroy all moral sense and family structure" after the "Rockefeller-funded sexual revolu......." You know what I fucking give up...

English Motherfucker, do you speak it?

Also do you wanna respond to my previous post and provide a scientific source that proves that stoning of christians is a direct result of gay marriage being legalized? Good luck soldier.

I know someone living/working in NZ atm, they really like it there. Beautiful place, I'm hopefully going to see them out there next year.

However the entry requirements for a NZ visa are very strict, like many of the more "developed" countries of the world eg USA/UK/Canada/Australia/Japan/South Korea (basically all the 5 eyes countries, plus the most developed Asian countries. You basically NEED at least a Batchelors degree to get a visa unless you know someone.

Entry requirements for certain SE asian and South American countries are less strict, eg Thailand/Cambodia/Vietnam/Taiwan/Mexico/Peru/Colombia and many more. Plus cost of living is incredibly cheap, and wages can be reasonable if you have certain skills. My plan is to do some english teaching in SE Asia, as it pays quite well and you don't need to know the native language.