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3261  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: WITHDRAWAL Processing!!! on: August 24, 2017, 08:26:52 AM
I made my 1 sack of 0.00150160 BTC day 08/14 today and 08/23 day it's been 9 days and until now it's still processing.

What should I do? Does the site pay for and Scam? Huh Huh Huh

Sack? Hmm I will guess that's a ponzi based game about farm or something else. Hmm.

May we know what site are you referring to? So that we can tell you if that site is scam, troll, shit or legit.


The withdrawal was made from the site https://www.miningbtc.today.

a poorly designed website on a practically free domain name (.today) is screaming scam!

a deeper look at the site shows that it really is a scam faucet like system that forces you to upgrade (pay money) to get paid and then since this has always ben a broken strategy as long as internet existed, they can never sustain it and surely enough their last payment was maid on 16th which is 8 days ago.
they have ran out of money to pay!

ps. this has nothing to do with mining by the way!
3262  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Market-wide gains and dips on: August 24, 2017, 08:20:22 AM
What's causing all those market-wide dips and gains, I can see it's happening every now and then.
When you look at the coinmarketcap right now you can see pretty much every coin from top100 is up by X%. What's causing situations like this?

I bet that BTC in general is playing huge role in all of it as its market capitalization is reaching nearly 50%.

correct, it is all about bitcoin but it has nothing to do with its market cap and how big a % it is!
it has always been like this to the point that people call altcoins as penny stocks!

and so far whenever bitcoin price rises, altcoins get dumped. and whenever bitcoin has bad days with big dumps, the altcoins get dumped one more time too.
but when altcoins (or anything really) gets dumped fast and big, they will inevitably make a recovery. it is mainly because people see the dip and see the "low price" and consider it as a chance to purchase. and that brings the price back up.
3263  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do you decide when it's time to sell? on: August 24, 2017, 08:14:07 AM
Nobody wants to be monitoring the prices all day with the cursor on the sell button just waiting to click the mouse, so how do you decide when to sell?
you don't need to watch the market 24/7, you make a speculation and hope you are as close as possible with your prediction.
for that you use the charts and orderbook and the history and the fact that how big that pump can be.

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If you set up an open order with a low target price, you'll be disappointed when the price climbs well above your target price.
If you set up an open order with too high a price, you might not sell at all.

What's your strategy?
place orders at a price that gives me a satisfying profit!
seriously you need to stop being greedy if you want to succeed. stop trying to get the most out of it, just take a small profit (even 5%) and be happy about it. you don't always need to make 1000% to be satisfied.
3264  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Segregated Witness Activates on Bitcoin: This is What to Expect on: August 24, 2017, 07:51:31 AM
the biggest thing to expect is a faster and much easier growth now that the scaling debate is finally coming to an end. it is nearly over now. and that was one of the biggest reasons for keeping bitcoin back, all the debates all the spam attacks and all the high transaction fees. these are mostly over now (more or less). and we can only move on from this.

This might be a silly question... but shouldn't we see something?
I mean, segwit is now active, but where is the difference?
The size of the mined blocks still looks as big as before, the mempool is as full as it was, too.
The only thing that I can notify is that one little dwarf block with 0.3kb size.
Does this all take more time? Or is segwit working perfectly and I just don't get it?

people need to start using SegWit for it to become effective. and that takes time. all the things about the mempool and the block size are still going to be the same. and that 0.3 kB block is a normal thing that happens.
3265  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dump the news? on: August 24, 2017, 07:31:35 AM
it is probably already too late Wink
it usually is, the news always makes its effect when it comes out not when it actually happens and news came out a while ago and now it is the "due date" of that news. which means any kind of dump the news has already priced in and we are back to normal.
3266  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What rate of return do you expect investing in crypto? on: August 22, 2017, 05:17:23 AM
With stocks, bonds, mutual funds etc,  the rate of return might be ~7% annually

What is the average rate of return for crypto?

Thanks for your help

with stocks and bonds and all that stuff the profit is always small because they don't grow that much in most of the times but at the same time this means they don't drop as much either. this makes them a more stable investment with less risk.

with cryptocurrencies things are different, they grow a lot but also they drop a lot too. speaking of altcoins, they get manipulated a lot too and that makes them much more volatile. all of this makes cryptocurrencies a more profitable investment but at a much higher risk.

it is as they say: high risk, high reward.
so you have to choose how much you want to invest and how much risk you are willing to take. in the end if you can figure out the market you can easily double your money (100% profit) in a month. or lose all of it in a month too. (-100% loss)
3267  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How does everyone trade? on: August 22, 2017, 05:01:43 AM
1. Where do you buy your bitcoin from
I have bought from bitfinex but mostly I use localbitcoins to buy with local currency directly.

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2. What exchanges do you use
bitfinex mostly but since I am more of a altcoin trader I am on bittrex most of the times.

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3. When you buy alt coins and profit, do you convert back to btc? Because what if your profit from alt coins and convert it to bitcoins but bitcoins is low, doesn't that defeat your alt coin profit?
I don't buy altcoins with fiat to want to "convert back to bitcoin". I buy they with bitcoin and sell them for bitcoin too. this means for example I invest 1BTC and get 2BTC out, so automatically my profit is saved in bitcoin form and there is nothing called "bitcoin is low", bitcoin is always rising at all times. even after the recent correction price is still 280% higher than the start of this year! and will be higher next year and next year, and so on.

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4. Do you convert from bitcoin to usd to withdraw? If so where do you withdraw and which method do you use.
no, I am a hodler so I hodl bitcoin for long term. sometimes I sell some small amounts if I need money or if I want to get something out to keep myself happy with fiat profit. but it rarely happens and it is always a small amount.

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Oh and this sounds like fees over fees.
First you buy bitcoins for fee. Then transfer them to a exchange for a fee. Then trading on that exchange is a fee. Then transferring it another place to withdraw, then the actual withdraw fee.
the fees, no matter how many they are or whatever, should be much lower than your profit. if they are not that means you are doing something wrong and maybe trading is not meant for you.
3268  Economy / Speculation / Re: SELL NOW, big bitcoin dump! No fud. on: August 22, 2017, 04:54:29 AM
Never again mate, fool me once and that's enough for me to kick your ass, nothing will happen if the majority of holders keep doing what they're best At doing, keep holding, how could the price drop if the majority is not selling? if no one is buying and you need the cash so you'd have to sell at a price Which they are buying, I doubt if all the holders need money that bad. just wait until a big whale needs a decentralized currency, they'll have to pay Whatever we ask them if they want to use a cryptocurrency with a worldwide support like Bitcoin.

the thing is, you should make up your mind. if you want to become a trader or to trade occasionally when there is a price surge followed by a correction or to become a full hodler.
* the first one buys and sells bitcoin every day on every dip and rise no matter what, OP is full of shit for these people.
* the second one should only sell on top not after the price started coming down (aka after correction). in this case any price above $4000. and then buy back in a couple of days after the correction was finished. again OP is full of shit for these people also because it is already late and will become too late soon to sell anything because it will soon be the bottom
* and the third is obvious, they just buy and hodl until price is 10K, 100K,... according to their plans. and again OP is full of shit for these people too Grin

I mean it is the same pattern all over again: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935374.0;all
how many times something has to happen before people stop losing money by selling in the bottom instead!
it is always the same, there is a rise and it stops, when it does everyone is saying buy buy buy, then the correction starts and price drops and people are mostly silent but when it reaches bottom everyone starts saying sell sell sell!!! it is like the opposite day with bitcoin everyday.
3269  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Retail stores posting "bitcoin accepted here" on: August 22, 2017, 04:47:06 AM
what you should know is that there are much easier ways of avoiding taxes than using bitcoin. it is the same for many other things that people keep asking here such as money laundering, or generally some other illegal activities. they are all much easier done with other methods such as using cash directly.
using bitcoin will actually make all of these much harder for them to perform and it makes it even easier for the law enforcement to find and catch them with the proof publicly and undeniably available!!!
3270  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cartel manipulating mining difficulty? on: August 21, 2017, 09:03:27 AM
Hashrate chart

this is relative hashrate chart not hashrate chart.
for example this means something like this:
btc hashrate: 5000 : 98.03%
bcc hashrate: 100 : 1.96%

then after a week:
btc hashrate: 5000 : 83.33%
bcc hashrate: 1000 : 16.66%

arbitrary numbers but that is practically what the chart shows.


nothing about bitcoin has changed so far. the blocks are being mined at the same rate. or at least if anything has changed it is not yet noticeable.

on the other hand it seems like many have been waiting for this difficulty adjustment of BCC (as I have also suspected some time ago) and as it was lowered a lot, they rushed to mine it. currently in the past 1 hour there has been about 66 blocks mined.
105 in 2 hours
129 in 3 hours

but this still doesn't prove anything from bitcoin is taken to dedicate to bitcoin cash.
3271  Economy / Speculation / Re: Core coin crashing while Bitcoin cashremains stable. on: August 21, 2017, 07:50:54 AM
We already dropped under $4000! And going deeper!
Smart move seems to be to move money into the stable Bitcoin cash or Ethereum.

I am disappointed in you kwuky. your FUD used to have some facts in them in the past and you didn't lie about everything but now it is all bullshit post. are you getting desperate or old?

bitcoin price is still above $4000 and strong despite testing the waters below and never lasting because of the buy support.

and what you are calling "stable" is a shaky market on the way down at best.
bitcoin cash has lost 25% of its value in the past 3 days alone and it is continueing to fall because as everyone expected the 0.21BTC was in fact a fake pump.
and ethereum which you keep advertising has been on the dumping spree for a long time. it was pumped today for another attempt to make some money out of it and that will probably won't last much longer than the last pumps.
3272  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is best cold storage for bitcoin? on: August 21, 2017, 07:30:58 AM
First you need a verified wallet.And you need a good coin exchanger. Because bitcoin to buy and sell.

This is a pretty good suggestion because enough to verify the wallet was safe enough to store a number of bitcoin, especially if we use security 2fa .. and storage in exchanger spelled out pretty very safe  probably almost be regarded as a mustshil for us to lose bitcoin in the exchanger

what the hell are you talking about Cheesy
storing your coins on an exchange wallet is the least safe way in the whole world. have you never heard of all the exchanges that either scammed their users or got hacked and ran away?
the list is almost too long now. Mt Gox, Btter, Cryptsy, Bitfinex, and a lot of smaller exchanges and I think we can add btc-e which was closed down by FBI to the list of exchanges that people lost their coins on.
3273  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cartel manipulating mining difficulty? on: August 21, 2017, 07:20:01 AM
Bitcoin Cash surged yesterday, just about time miners massively started mining it.

not much about the hashrate and how many miners are mining bitcoin cash has changed as far as I can tell. it was just a bitcoin-cash-specific difficulty adjustment that happened to reduce the difficulty A LOT to help with the very low hashrate and production of blocks.

the price is just a pump because they hyped it a lot by a lot of different news like the 8 MB block, being more profitable, and crap like that.
3274  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is hoarding bitcoins good or bad for it's growth? on: August 21, 2017, 07:13:03 AM
it is not a simple black or white situation and nothing else. it depends on a lot of things in my opinion.

for starters when people accumulate/hoard bitcoin that means they keep buying it and holding it because they have a big target in mind and when we get there what they sell won't matter much in the price because market is too big by then. this is good for the price.

but also at the same time if everyone starts only holding bitcoin and never spend it then we can't really expect it to grow either. we can't expect adoption, merchants accepting it,... because there is nobody to spend bitcoin! and that is bad for both price and future of bitcoin.

bitcoin is a currency but since the value of it grows because of adoption, it is treated as an investment and that aspect has become more important than the currency aspect for some people.
3275  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is $4000 the perfect time to buy on: August 21, 2017, 07:08:19 AM
yes it is the perfect time to buy bitcoin because it is not yet $500,000 so you can afford to buy one $500,000 bitcoin for the price of $4000.

Should I wait until it drops in September? Will it drop in October because of the hard fork, or will it go up because everyone wants to get their share of the fork coin? Will whales push the price down in September so they can accumulate it cheaper?
after September is October, then November, then December then January 2018, February,.... and each month there will be another thing going on. it is fork now, then it is ETF, then it is someone FUDing then it is China again, then it is another country, then it is another bullshit we don't know yet, and so on.
if you want to wait for each of these you will end up waiting for eternity.
3276  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin rates on: August 20, 2017, 08:57:42 AM
is https://coinmarketcap.com/ accurate for its rates for all the different coins?

what you need to know is that these sites (coinmarketcap, coindesk, etc) are all giving you an average price which means they take the price from multiple resources it can even be USD, JPY, CNY,... and convert it all to USD and give an average price.

also another important thing is their update rate. you should check to see how fast each of these update. for example coinmarketcap does it every 5 minutes.
3277  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin will cross 500k USD$ in 2017 on: August 20, 2017, 08:32:04 AM
I don't think so. that is not a healthy rise for such a short period of time.

it is very simple, the price only goes up based on adoption (growing demand) and that won't grow suddenly from 4K to 500K out of nowhere. so unless US, all the European countries, Middle east, major Asian countries all at once decide to adopt bitcoin like Japan this week, I don't expect 500K this year either. and bitcoin is too big to fake pump it so again it is impossible.

it can happen in the long term though. don't look at the big number, that will scare you. instead look at the fact that there is only 21 million coins (16.5 mil mined so far) and there are billions of people around the world as potential investors.
3278  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cons of Bitcoin - why I dislike it. on: August 20, 2017, 08:15:21 AM
1. I think the currency is too volatile to be considered a currency
I agree that this is one of the biggest problems that bitcoin facing for becoming a currency but the good news is that the changes like $200 in one hour are so rare that they almost never happen and even if a $200 change happens it won't last, it will coma back to normal level right after.
there is also a solution for that, using services like bitpay which pays the merchant the equivalent fiat value instead.
and on top of it, the crazy volatility has been decreasing as bitcoin grows in popularity and adoption.

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2. Nothing should be worth 0.001 USD in 2009-2010 and be worth $4,xxx in 2017... no stock has ever performed that great,
dude you need to research first then say things like that Wink

this is nearly from 2009 bitcoin price to today's price of $267,100 a share


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3. The only thing people can say about Bitcoin is it's decentralized and the blockchain... that's all you got? Decentralized is a bad thing, it means the moment the government ( which controls you btw ) decides eh... we don't want bitcoin anymore, banned! ( it happened in Bolivia, Bangladesh etc ) and it could happen in the USA or other countries if they started to feel threatened by it. It's not safe to have too much invested in it. What is backing it anyway? gold? and what is a bitcoin worth and what is gold worth? it's only worth what a consumer is willing to pay for it and if people come to realize Bitcoin is worthless ( it'll happen, just when is the question ) it'll come crashing down and the people that paid $4,000-($10x,xxx?) a coin will feel the pain when they lose everything.
that is the whole point of being decentralized. that if and when a government banned it, nothing happens to bitcoin. it stays alive and continues as before.
yes if a big country like US bans bitcoin someday the price will take a big hit but who cares, it won't kill bitcoin and that means the price will recover eventually.

and all that aside, why are we even talking about price here! clarify first that are you talking about bitcoin as a currency or bitcoin as an investment that you want more profit from.

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4. Who really knows about Bitcoin? If it wasn't for me 90% of my friends would have never heard of it. My mom wouldn't have, my girlfriend... most people still do not know about Bitcoin in 2017 and the majority that DO know about it don't even understand how it works. You're trying to take a mindset of the AVERAGE person and make them understand something that's quite complex and difficult to learn to the average persons mind.
do you know how money is printed? I mean the technical details of it, the type of paper, the type of ink they use, the equipment they use, how long it takes, how they make it secure, add that line thingy, and lots of other details?

of course not. you don't know, your mom doesn't know, an average Joe doesn't know either. so why do you want to know the technical details of bitcoin?

all you need to know is how and where to download a wallet and some basic computer stuff like how to install a program Smiley
and these days with services like Coinbase that offer a wallet like paypal online there isn't really any need for "complicated stuff". you just make an account and use bitcoin!

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5. Debit/credit card is always gonna win.
then use them. if you really feel you need to, and bitcoin is not suitable for that need of yours like your example here then use Debit/Credit cards. nobody is taking them away from you!
and your example is also weird! you say it is a trusted company but yet they said "something came up, so pay us more"!!! that doesn't make any sense!

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6. What if I send to the wrong Bitcoin address by accident? ( it happens btw )
no it never happens!
here is my address: 1C8kZHcFBtREhRDrvo3P8LRAoDGXL739Do
change the last 2 letters for example from "Do" to "ab" your wallet will give you an error that this address is wrong.

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7. Bitcoin isn't as anonymous as you think. I read an article earlier this year that stated the main things that attracted people to Bitcoin in general were not even in place anymore... no fees? gone. Not only gone, but as the prices go up, the fees will rise. Anonymous? not as much as it used to be. There were other things that changed as well, I forget now. I'm sure many of you know though
bitcoin is not 100% anonymous and it is not 100% traceable either and if someone told you otherwise in any article they were confused and you were on a bad resource.
as for fees, they were never supposed to be "no fees". the fees were a part of bitcoin from nearly the start around 2011 ish IIRC.

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8. People still compare this to real money, because in the end 95% of people invested in bitcoin aren't in it for the long haul, they're in it so the price will jump a few hundred USD and they'll cash out with their profits. ..
I don't understand your point here!
bitcoin is still a new technology in its beta stage and is not yet adopted completely so what you expect is unreasonable.

besides, I think you need to take a trip to Japan and look around in their shopping centers then come back and try to repeat what you just said after seeing the bitcoin is accepted here everywhere without tax.

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9. Hackers - people break into people's wallets and steal bitcoins all the time, and of course you have the big names that got robbed like last year Bitfinix, MtGox and many more to come. Of course there are issues anywhere online. Hackers exist either way you look at it. But if I am hacked and someone steals $50,000 from my bank account, I can get that back after I prove it was stolen and it was not me. If someone hacks my Bitcoin wallet and steals 10 coins? well... you're out of luck! Good luck though!
credit cards are stolen every second. how many bitcoin wallet is hacked every year?
feel free to hack my wallet!

also what you said about bitfinex,... has nothing to do with bitcoin! that is some third party who either were foolish enough to get hacked or shady enough to rob its users and say they were hacked. what does this have to do anything with bitcoin?

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So in reality, most people that use Bitcoin are scammers,
then which one am I after 3-4 years?
which one are all the rest of people like those hundred million dollar payments that go through bitpay each month? are those all scammers buying stuff from legit merchants registered with bitpay?
3279  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitfinex doesn't make you feel Mt Gox 2 is on the way? Or it's just FUD? on: August 19, 2017, 08:14:41 AM
If not, can you explain why?

first because people are only talking about this topic and calling it as Mt Gox 2 when price reached the ATH and stopped (slowed down and there was a correction). nobody said a word when price was rising for about a week.

second because the bitcoin of 2013 is not the same as bitcoin of 2017. back then nobody knew about bitcoin except those who were mining it and a small number of traders. now everyone knows about bitcoin. bitcoin has made the first page of biggest financial papers multiple times so far. multiple countries adopted bitcoin. a lot of growth has happened and this all means a big part of this rise is real not fake.

third, back in 2013 market was still very small and that small market was completely centralized in only 1 exchange and that was Mt Gox. no other exchange could even come close to the volume they had. it was more than 80% of the whole market. and the rest was so tiny or were reporting fake volumes to remain relevant. bitfinex in comparison is too small. it has less than 8% of the total volume and only if it is real vol not fake reports. you can not control a market price with that kind of portions!

finally I am not denying there is manipulation present in bitcoin market, but it is not so drastic and big as articles like what you shared are suggesting. it is much smaller than that. and since it is well spread among many exchanges, no one person/entity/group can ever control things on a large scale or for long. we saw this when whales on bitstamp were trying to keep bitcoin price down earlier this year when price was around $1200. we saw how they failed and lost a lot of money because of it. and that is when bitfinex was closed and bitstamp was like the next choice everyone went to.
3280  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: What are ways to make money from bitcoin/alt? on: August 19, 2017, 07:57:28 AM
think of bitcoin as a currency like any other currency and that solves most of your unanswered questions in your mind. you can simply earn it the same way you earn money, by doing jobs. what job you do then depends on your skills and how much time you are willing to spend on it.

as for altcoins there are only two ways of making money from them and that is either mining or trading them. I prefer trading since the electricity cost of mining is high. but trading requires only your skills and an initial investment.
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