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3321  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: how will mere mortals get there hands on nvidia P104-100 or P106-100? on: June 22, 2017, 05:04:43 PM
The P104-100 per all of the data I have been able to gather

 (3) should have 20-30% lower power usage at the same clocks vs the GTX 1080 consumer cards, due to no video circuitry and disabling the "video-specific" parts of the GPU.


3. Doesn'twork like that, the part you don't use don't use much energy to begin with, so you won't gain as much just by disabling them.


 TheStilt in his celebrated BIOS mods for the R9 290 achieved ballpark 15% savings on his NOT UNDERVOLTED version of the BIOS (personal testing on my own cards when I was first checking those out) - and he didn't disable ALL of the video out capabilities on the GPU, just most of them.
 I doubt a factory mod that disables ALL such circuitry would achieve less, and should achieve a bit more.

 I do concede that it's an estimate, and I wouldn't be shocked at more like 10% given upgrades in tech since then, but at least one source was QUOTING "10-30%" for that figure on the P106-100.



 Given GTX 1060 pricing is now climbing, $270 right now wouldn't be a bad price for the P106-100 - significantly less than the consumer 6GB versions in almost all cases right now - even if it IS quite a bit higher than reported "MSRP" was supposed to be per all of the rumors of pricing.

3322  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [HARDWARE][NVIDIA] Pascal GP106-100 - True Mining GPU on: June 22, 2017, 04:54:57 PM
Grin looks like all the allegations I made against these cards are false, just got a call from my supplier asking me if  I want to cut a deal with him for Inno3D variant of mining gpus.
I ll be buying a lot of them. He said price is close to normal 1060 but hash rate is more. around 30-35 in ethash. Shocked


35 MH? are you seirous that si very good, if true, but other are saying that is equal to a normal 1060, but without display port make it useless for reselling to gamers, so i don't like that

This is information from my supplier, and I will confirm this once I get the cards. Well, I think it might go 30 atleast or 30+ since it is dedicated for mining. They say the stocks are coming in 4 days. Lets see, I will confirm the price tomorrow.

 30 out of a 1060 6GB varient wouldn't be a big stretch, upgraded memory timings in the BIOS plus some OC on the memory could account for that.
 35 - that's a bit of a stretch. I'd have to see that to believe it.

 On the other hand, even at 30 and if it's lower than "standard 1060 6GB MSRP" it's going to get some attention, especially with the extreme shortage on other good ETH mining cards and their inflated pricing.
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 It's scary when I saw a 1070 (MSI gaming, NOT a water-cooled model) at the SAME price as their lowest-cost 1080 ti (not 1080, 1080 ti that was NOT a typo).
 I do grant it was the HIGHEST priced 1070 on Newegg at the time - but STILL crazy.

 Looks like 1060s are starting to get hit by the "nothing else to buy, grab these" shortages and price-climb too.



 It's debateable if Alibaba has more scams than eBay - but they both have issues with scammers.

3323  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Gridcoin (GRC) - first coin utilizing BOINC - Official Thread on: June 22, 2017, 04:48:47 PM
I'm not understanding something here.

 Neural net shows me as being around 630 magnatude - why is the wallet showing me at 0?

 Yes, I read that cryptocurrencytalk link - still have no clue why the current wallet version seems to be broken.

 Is there an ETA on when this issue will be fixed?
Wallet is not broken - we had an incomplete superblock yesterday and it screwed up everyone's mag (or nearly so). Things will most likely return to normal today, with the new superblock (which is automatically generated every 24hrs or so). Devs are working on it too, to prevent it from happening in the future.

 It did fix.
 It would have been nice for one of the devs to explain that before it fixed though.

 Up side - they DID at least try to give a timely warning, I saw messages about it a couple of places pretty quickly (not their fault if the messages weren't SEEN).
3324  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] FoldingCoin - MINE FOR MEDICINE- PHASE 2.0 on: June 22, 2017, 01:41:11 AM
Ed actually has a few close competitors now, based on 24 hour average - 2 Curecoin team members doing merged FLDC, and long-time #2 "war" are also up there.
Going to be interesting to see if he does any rig upgrades to hold on to #1 all-time producer - as I understand it he's still running a bunch of 9xx series cards.
He's got some time though, war isn't quite matching the 24 hour average and is 2 billion points behind, while the others are over 10 billion back.

 Any clue about the massive price spike today? Had I known it was going to happen, I'd have waited on my last cashout and pulled in more like $15-20k instead of "only" 3k or so....

 The peak was VERY briefly above Curecoin in the 6600 ballpark on Bittrex....


3325  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: GTX1070 - Hashrate - Power drain - best performance on: June 22, 2017, 12:47:40 AM
Each 1070 is doing ~25 on Eth and ~250 on SIA.

They are Zotac Mini cards at all stock configuration at the moment.

This is very low compared to RX580, which makes 30/570.

 RX 580 needs BIOS mods AND a large overclock to get to 30 on ETH.
 GTX 1070 needs a good memory overclock and no more - and some will get to 31-32 if you have memory that overclocks particularly well.

 Power consumption is a tossup - they're close enough that specific card variations and tweeking can give the win to either side.

 At CURRENT pricing though, the GTX 1070 wins on hash/$ against the VERY FEW "available for sale" RX 580 listings I've seen this week, and marginally on availability, but BOTH the RX 580 AND the GTX 1070 are getting into "very short supply" issues, and pricing on both is inflated (more so for the RX though, since those are supposed to MSRP in the $200-$250 ballpark).

 GTX 1080 is about 20% better as a very rough ballpark on skein or zec - again, specific brand model and manufacturing tolerances will vary that figure. At CURRENT pricing, it's more like 5-10% more than a 1070, sometimes LESS then the higher-priced 1070 models, and availability doesn't seem to be an issue so far.

 ALL of this could change tomorrow, given the current demand vs supply conditions on any card that is even semi-decent for mining with.

3326  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: 1080Ti Specific - Best mining option on: June 22, 2017, 12:40:35 AM
Hi can I get at leat 10 usd per day with this card ? I'm very new to this. I want to build a pc a mine when I'm not using it

 $10 a day seems a bit iffy right now, but $8-$9 should be easily achieved based on reported hashrates I've seen.


 I have not had good experiences with any suprnova pool, they seem to ALL work poorly or short you on shares.'
 I grant my sample size is small though, and some folks DO like those pools - but I've also seen a lot of "don't pay out what they should" complaints.

3327  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mining ETH on GigaByte GeForce GTX 1070 Windforce OC. Overclock settings? on: June 22, 2017, 12:30:34 AM
I'd recommend poking around on whattomine - not just the comparison page as that leaves OUT the Skein coins among other MORE PROFITABLE options - and look at moving to one or more of the more profitable options.

 You could also try the profitability page on Nicehash, but that focuses on their service and isn't always a good judge for mining actual coins - it does usually give you a direction to look at though.
3328  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: The New Nicehash Website - Yay or Nay? on: June 22, 2017, 12:20:57 AM
Well, it would appear someone was listening, the "new" version of the site got rolled back to the old version.

 Hopefully the next experiment will work out better.


I think they split it up while they continue to fine tune it.

http://www.nicehash.com - old

http://new.nicehash.com - new

I still prefer the old one Cheesy

 Having the new site up for testing and feedback on a different URL makes sense.

 (edit) except they're now forwarding the "www" address to the "new" address, which does NOT make sense and is now ticking me off again.
3329  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ETH Difficulty +11% in less than 24 hours. on: June 22, 2017, 12:18:54 AM
I agree this has to be some ASIC in play, because there are no new 200k GPUs in the world.



 I don't see the "difficulty bomb" mattering, and don't understand why ETH wasted the time to create it - as it affects all miners equally, it isn't going to change profitability at ALL on a per-card basis.



They created it because at that time they had planned on moving to full pos and did not want miners holding them hostage like they do in bitcoin.


 That makes ZERO sense. The same number of coins are going to get mined no matter what the diff does, the same number of blocks are going to get created, etc.

 It doesn't affect ANYTHING that matters.

 It certainly does NOT affect "miners hording coins" in any way, shape, or form, as it affects ALL MINERS EQUALLY.

3330  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ETH Difficulty +11% in less than 24 hours. on: June 22, 2017, 12:14:30 AM
People are forgetting that 1070 can do 30 mhs and that they are available to buy almost everywhere.Or it could be that nvidia is testing their 1060 mining cards😀

 Half right.

 Yes, most 1070 are capable of 30 Mh/s or very close.
 No, they are NOT available to buy almost everywhere for the last week or so - avaiability has gotten REAL spotty, almost down to RX 470/570/480/580 levels - though the price hasn't climbed AS MUCH yet, it's also headed up well into 1080 territory.

 People mining ETH on a 1070 are being kinda dumb though, those cards do a LOT better on other algos and coins for profitability.

3331  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: how will mere mortals get there hands on nvidia P104-100 or P106-100? on: June 22, 2017, 12:11:30 AM
My supplier is offering me Palit GeForce GT P106-100 6144M GDDR5 192bit X (M/C:4000/1506) for price around 250e. You say it is not worth that money? Is there any benchmark of this card compered to 1060 or 1070?

 As the cards don't apparently actually exist yet, or are JUST (maybe) starting to show up, benchmarks don't exist for them yet.

 I don't know EU to USD conversion rate, dunno if that would be a reasonable price or not.
3332  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: EWBF's CUDA Zcash miner on: June 22, 2017, 12:06:35 AM
ZEC network hashrate is at an all-time high right now - by a narrow margin over a short spike a couple weeks back.

 A lot of miners WILL chase the "most profitable" coin - which is why I tend to refer to "the basket" of coins that have similar profitability, when one moves miners shift and even them out.

 Right now the basket is huge - TONS of high-profit coins to choose from, more than at any other time in the short history of Cryptocoin Mining.


 5 years from now, miners will probably be looking at this timeframe we're in right now as "the golden age" and the Litecoin/X11 craze days as "the silver age".


so basically Zcash's days are numbered...in probably a month from now, it would be next to impossible to mine Zcash right?

 more like 6 months minimum, and probably a good bit longer if ETH lives up to it's "planned phase-in" starting around the end of the year.

 Where the heck are you comming up with "a month"HuhHuh
3333  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: what mining hardware has the absolute best mining speed per watt? on: June 21, 2017, 07:44:17 PM
Depends on the algo.

 For Bitcoin and it's derivatives, the Antminer S9 and R4 models are the most efficient.

 For Litecoin and it's derivatives, the Antminer L3+ but be ready for a LONG wait on them.

 For X11/X13/X15/qubit/one or two other algos I'm spacing at the moment, the Baikal.

 For overall most "income/watt used" BURST is probably the king, but it's only so-so on "income/$ invested" right now.

3334  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Chinese mining hardware suppliers on Alibaba on: June 21, 2017, 07:41:00 PM
Keep in mind that Alibaba is pretty much the chinese version of eBay - they're nothing more than a marketplace.

Bitmain makes *2* power supply models now, but the low power one is 220v only, the high power one is 220 for full capacity 110 for about half.

Try checking in the marketplace here for some of the "breakout board" suppliers like sidehack or jabberwock.

3335  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Commercial Mining Hardware on: June 21, 2017, 07:37:46 PM
More likely OP was thinking of Spondoolies, but they died - very few other folks around that made rack-mount miners EVER, and I'm pretty sure BitFury is the last one standing.

3336  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mining ETH on GigaByte GeForce GTX 1070 Windforce OC. Overclock settings? on: June 21, 2017, 07:35:32 PM
ETH is primarily wanting you to max your memory clocks - it would appear you've already done so.

 Keep in mind that manufacturing variations WILL change the capabilities of a specific card model, much less different cards from different or even the same manufacturer - just because one person got lucky on RAM and could overclock it to crazy levels doesn't mean YOUR card can match that.

 With that said, you should be able to drop your TDP a fair bit without having a noticeable effect on hashrate, which would help your efficiency quite a bit.



 With that said, wasting a 1070 on ETH mining is .... not a good idea, they are more profitable mining other stuff like the Skein-based coins, lbry and it's varients, the groetsl based coines, and usually ZEC and it's varients.
 It's not like you'll LOSE money mining ETH, you just aren't MAKING as much.

3337  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What is the best mining operacinal system? on: June 21, 2017, 07:29:00 PM
For stability, LINUX is the best choice (or one of the mining-specific LINUX variations) from the point of stability.
3338  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: New GPUs for mining on: June 21, 2017, 07:27:37 PM
AMD is postponing the release of the so much waited Vega cards just because they want to sell and sell the RX series to the maximum and they are doing it perfectly until now. We have to wait until September for the Vega cards which will be more powerful than RX both in mining and gaming.

 AMD is widely reported to be having issues with Hynix not having enough HBM2 production to meet the demand for the consumer Vega cards (the PRO Vega Frontier edition has been released and is for sale, on Newegg among other sources, but that's a low-volume card).

This does NOT directly affect the RX series at all, what is probably limiting AMD there is lack of foundry capacity at GF to handle both the unexpected SURGE in demand for the RX 570/580 AND the ongoing demand for Ryzen, the demand for the XBox One X apus, ET CETERA - AND the fact of "lag time" between they can place an order for more chips and when they actually GET them weeks or even months later.
 AMD likely also doesn't want to risk over-ordering chips then having to hang on to them (with a lot of CASH tied up by excessive inventory) if the current cryptocoin mining demand drops unexpecedly - and they're probably making a lot more per chip WHILE the demand lasts, while worrying about what it's going to do to their market share WHEN the collapse happens and there are suddenly a ton of "used" cards on the market killing a lot of the demand for new ones.

 It is telling that the last "amendment" to the agreement between AMD and GF allows AMD to use OTHER foundries to make stuff, if they pay GF a "penalty" for each wafer made elsewhere. I keep wondering where they're going to find ANY spare capacity to use that part of the agreement, as TSMC is booked out solid as well and Samsung is pretty busy too with their own stuff and the NVidia GTX-1050(ti) making.

 While the Vega cards MIGHT be more powerfull for mining, it's unknown at this time if they will be powerfull ENOUGH to justify for mining at whatever price point they end up selling them at.
 The Fury wasn't exactly a popular card for mining in it's "new" heyday for that very reason, though at CURRENT pricing it's a pretty good choice.


3339  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Nvidia to release mining-only GPU? on: June 21, 2017, 07:18:58 PM


what they show on zcash forums and on videos as 8x nvidia gpu is very identical to what looks like a stripped down ethminer made by some Chinese company by the name PANGOLINMINER, the whole thing looks fake to me too.. I too wouldn't trust this news without something official from nvidia or amd.

 It looks more like a NVidia variation on the Pandaminer - using mobile versions of the cards, possibly modified a bit, like the Pandaminer uses mobile RX series cards.

3340  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Help with the power supply on: June 21, 2017, 07:17:18 PM
Corsair and EVGA are best in class (except Seasonic). Both companies have very long warranty on their products. Personally I have Corsair RM series and I'm quite amazed with build quality.

 Some EVGA models are made by Seasonic.
 Some are made by SuperFlower (the G2 and P2 series in particular, VERY well done).
 Some are made by .... dunno.

 Corsair makes NONE of it's own power supplies, they contract them all out - and depending on who makes each model, they can be very good to very poor.

 Seasonic on the other hand DOES make all of it's own - and they are generally Very Good to Excellent (though I hate their "crap fan" choice on the Prime series and won't touch those).


 It's interesting to trace down who makes each brand - when you get down to it, I'm pretty sure there are only about 15 perhaps 20 actual "ATX power supply manufacturers" in the world, and almost all of their factories are in China or Taiwan.
 It's NOT quite as "centralised" as Hard Drive factories in Thailand though....

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