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Man I doubt we'll get any decent news about our shares come Wednesday. This is just hilarious.
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I know you might not see it this way but this is a great buying opportunity. Why not buy more shares?
You might want out but I want this company to succeed and if Ken thinks ACtM should secure this 106 btc right now then he should.
Ken can't destroy the shares they are Ukyo's seized assets.
Because I can guarantee you the price will go lower than this. Especially now that ken put up such a huge sell wall. |
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All 10mill shares get divs no matter what people pay for them and we can only take 106btc from these assets - no more. Its not so hard to understand.
... If Ken plans to pay .0025 per share in divs, it's much smarter to destroy the shares than sell them @.0005. .002 per share smarter, to be precise. @VE: Nah, it's only 400%. Ken has to pay extra .0020, not .0025. Agreed. Destroying the shares will net him way more money if he plans to pay the .0025 per share. Ken can you please give us an update about our share situation. |
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Miner people are upset (me included) because it seems Ken's plan all along was to sell these shares before we got access to ours. We were supposed to have access to ours by now but we don't.
Does ken need 106BTC right now? ( he shouldn't )
He is actively lowering the price per share when so many people want out. So many people want out of this company, but who the hell wants to compete with Ken lowering the price to .0005 and maybe even lower
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To recover the 100 BTC owed to Active Mining plus cost. Ukyo had 10 days to pay Active Mining the 100 BTC plus cost and he has failed to pay that. So, we are selling his shares to pay his debt.
Wouldn't it make more sense to just destroy his shares, rather than push the price down to pre-IPO levels before anyone even has the chance to trade? You're basically throwing away .002 "investor guaranteed" BTC per share. Just want to recover Active Mining BTC, while we can. These are a bargain and should go very quick. |
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Ukyo's 230K wall on Crypto Trade has just moved down to .0005! Another shot at IPO #1 prices  Why would you do this, Ken?  To recover the 100 BTC owed to Active Mining plus cost. Ukyo had 10 days to pay Active Mining the 100 BTC plus cost and he has failed to pay that. So, we are selling his shares to pay his debt. Lol.. Someone bought 60 shares at $8 each only for the shares to drop down to $0.4 right after.. |
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@JoTheKahn:
The hot new thing with multinational multimillion-dollar corporations - hiring people.
Maybe you should PM Ken? Seems like it's something he might want to try...
I suggested to Ken that he should hire people; But again no one here really has a clear and full assessment of Ken's workforce. Maybe he did hire some people. Apparently when whomever was the last person to visit the office said something along the lines of extra people there (some females). He has Engineers on the west coast? One thing is for sure though, Ken doesn't trust other people handling the share situation. I believe he stated something along the lines of this back in November or December in IRC. The share situation is his job and his alone. |
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@Ken
It has been 3-4 Days since the day you specified shares will begin the liquidation process. If this is going to eat up any more of your time, just to set it up, then can you start the process manually instead?
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As soon as I get the verification program up on the server, then as investors get verified we will start sending the list over to CT to create the accounts which will include the shares. So, once the accounts are created then trading will start.
Ken, WHEN is this happening!? Could you commit yourself to at least this one date in front of your shareholders? Yes, I will be working on this the next few days. I don't see to many problems getting it running ASAP. So what exactly did you achieve in the "next few days" since the 31st? +1 |
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@Main I agree, I don't think its a hard task at all. But there were times where we sat and decided to wait for Colored coins. You can't hold this time against Ken if we (not I, I was always for Crypto Trade But we as in the forum) told him that we wanted to wait for Colored Coins. I mean look back one page and you see someone else suggesting that we wait 2 More weeks for Colored Coins. This has been popping up through all of November and December, even some in January.
You can't scream at him to wait for Colored coins and then put it against him that he didn't do the implementation for Crypto Trade yet. That's just retarded. There were stupid polls and long fights about how everyone wants to do Colored Coins or w/e. So if anything you can say that Ken has had since Mid/Late December to have Crypto Trade up and running for us. Not since Mid November.
So if we are going to claim Ken has been neglectful with shares then we will have to say since Late December or the Beginning of January till Now. Still you are right, it should be done by now. If it comes down to it, he should just start doing it manually and grab the people who can to ship shares over to CryptoTrade while he has the free time to do so each week. (Like how he did from BTCT to Bitfunder)
This is bordering on absurd. 1. Regardless of whether Ken wanted to move to CT or CC, verification needed to be done, so the script should have been written. (yes/no) 2. Yes, a bunch of goofballs wanted CC. They still do, Nothing changed. I guess we'll have to wait til all the kids agree, right? 1. Colored Coins would have him just send our shares to our address, he wouldn't need to verify anything right? Just check his asset list. 2. The vote convinced Ken to wait for Colored Coins which never came. I told them it was a dumb idea, they didn't listen we suffered a little more. I don't wanna be called a Ken apologist so I'm gonna leave it at that. I think we should have had our shares back in early January if you ask me, I am just stating the series of events that have led us to where we find ourselves now. Is it Ken's fault, yes, do we have some blame in it? Probably, should it have been done by now? Fuck yes. |
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@ Milky seems you are right.
12 * 1.34 Gives us 16.08 * 1.34 Gives us 21.54 which seems rather close to the increase we are seeing month after month. So around 35% - 40% increase I suppose every 2 Weeks from his suggestions.
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What do you see the hashrate being during May? If you notice it says a 78% Increases every 2 weeks and has May starting at 12 Billion. (Current difficulty is just a little over 2Billion) |
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@Main I agree, I don't think its a hard task at all. But there were times where we sat and decided to wait for Colored coins. You can't hold this time against Ken if we (not I, I was always for Crypto Trade But we as in the forum) told him that we wanted to wait for Colored Coins. I mean look back one page and you see someone else suggesting that we wait 2 More weeks for Colored Coins. This has been popping up through all of November and December, even some in January.
You can't scream at him to wait for Colored coins and then put it against him that he didn't do the implementation for Crypto Trade yet. That's just retarded. There were stupid polls and long fights about how everyone wants to do Colored Coins or w/e. So if anything you can say that Ken has had since Mid/Late December to have Crypto Trade up and running for us. Not since Mid November.
So if we are going to claim Ken has been neglectful with shares then we will have to say since Late December or the Beginning of January till Now. Still you are right, it should be done by now. If it comes down to it, he should just start doing it manually and grab the people who can to ship shares over to CryptoTrade while he has the free time to do so each week. (Like how he did from BTCT to Bitfunder)
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@Mainline the hangup isn't that he needs our email addresses. You know this, the hangup is making a secure and automated way for share liquidation.
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The transfer took place on Bitfunder. So we check our personal Transaction Logs to show us our transaction. Our Transaction logs show us who we sent shares to and who sent us shares. But it shows them as Usernames, not email addresses. Your email addresses are private. So a Stand transaction will be like
To: AMC-TENDER DATE: XX/XX/XX XX:XX:XX
70000 ActiveMining Shares
Kens will show:
From: Isentshares DATE: XX/XX/XX XX:XX:XX
70000 ActiveMining Shares
No email addresses are shown.
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No one has sent Ken anything.
Ok to simplify this. Each Shareholder shares the information that both they and Ken have: Username, # Of Shares, Date/Time sent to AMC-TENDER. (To have all three pieces of this information you have to have gotten it off your transaction log, this is why you should have taken a Screen shot of your transaction log, so you can pull this information up from the image).
Once this is verified, The Shareholder gives Ken their email address. Ken creates an account on CryptoTrade for this email address and gives them the # of shares.
No image swapping is done, Ken already knows who has what shares, he just doesn't have our email addresses to make our Crypto Trade accounts w/ our shares in it.
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Lol, you are beyond belief...  Thankfully we won't be sending our images to Ken. Our images show/remind us The exact date and time we sent shares to Ken. His image shows him the date and time he recieved shares and from whom. We don't need to show our image to anyone, we just need to know the date and time and the # of shares that our images show us. There is no image to edit and no one to trick. We don't post our image anywhere. |
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@Mainline now you understand whats the point of the software right? I'm not saying Ken has done a great job since then, I am just showing you what he plans to do and needs to do to remedy the situation. He has to establish what email address goes with what shares so the right CryptoTrade accounts get the shares, the asset list doesn't have it and his transaction log doesn't have it. Thats why we needed to take Screenshots of our transaction log so we can match up our timestamp with his to prove which shares are ours. (e.g. I sent you 70000 Shares from the username Isentshares at 9:32:14am EST, my email is Isentshares@gmail.com and I do not have a Crypto Trade account). He can then just make a program to parse this information and send it to crypto trade to make an account for Isentshares, instead of doing it 400 Times manually. If you didn't send shares to AMC-TENDER then you need to be able to sign your message from your Public address. EDIT: Quick question; now have I assumed anything? Have I made irrational assumptions from no information? I would like to remedy any of these I have or clear the air sort to speak. |
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Your "bad" is assuming that Ken needs to write *any software at all* to transfer the shares to an existing exchange. Ken's not building an exchange, he simply needs to hand the data over to CT. Come on.
But Ken has stated that he will be writing some software didn't he? Man let me see if I can dig this up. You are taking the dumbest bullshit he feeds you at face value. He's been tweaking the blockchain so the registers won't overflow and cause pagefaults when you download RAM. Ken has the data from BitFunder. That's all that is needed to move to CT. Everything else - the goofy "screencaps" and all that drivel - is simply bullshit to keep you busy. Ken has 2 Thins from Bitfunder. He has the AssetList, this contains The Public Address & the Number of shares, (No Email or Username). He also has his Transaction Log. This contains the username of who sent him shares and when they sent them and the number of shares, again. No Email address. This is why Ken needs to find out which email address gets what shares. You guys are forgetting this. He doesn't have your email address so he can't give you his your shares. He even stated this. But no one seems to listen. |
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Your "bad" is assuming that Ken needs to write *any software at all* to transfer the shares to an existing exchange. Ken's not building an exchange, he simply needs to hand the data over to CT. Come on.
But Ken has stated that he will be writing some software didn't he? Man let me see if I can dig this up. You are taking the dumbest bullshit he feeds you at face value. He's been tweaking the blockchain so the registers won't overflow and cause pagefaults when you download RAM. Ok, so then how should I process the information Ken feeds me? Should I: - Do what Eskimo Does. Ignore it, and scream at Ken for different information that could or could not be faked anyways?
- Do what Some people do and make entire spreadsheets and calculations and spread them around on every page?
- Just ignore anything Ken posts and do nothing and stay out of the loop?
Ken says hes writing a program to do the share liquidation, until I have proof otherwise I'm going to take what he says at face value. It's not an assumption, its taking what he says at face value. He's been rather open with us in the last month. I see no reason to start screaming at him now. |
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