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Updated the infographic: Divided them into separate pages to make it easier to quote, and compressed the png data size as well.
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Theymos, can you add another infographic which I created a while ago to the above list? I tried to make a more graphical and intuitive inforgraphic to help people understand the system easily. Is it just me? Or doesn't that page load too slow and the image is TOO BIG. I did not even read it because it was loading too slow, and just seeming cumbersome. If you make the image smaller, sncc, that might help it to load faster and to be more manageable so then others will read the substance? Might be your internet, it loaded immediately for me. I'd agree it is too big, ideally, I prefer infographics that fit on one page. Hasn't the whole Merit Infographic thing already been done to death?
Ok I compressed the infographic, now it should be fine, see below, where I also created separated files. While it was not possible to put all the information in a single page, one could use the separated page files. I admit I was not quick to create the infographic but I think it is still useful compared to other infographics. |
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The proper way to do this would be using the quote function. Example:
Yes I wrote the same thing: The correct way is to quote zentdex's original posts. However, mithrim never quote the zentdex's posts.
I don't think he should be banned (which is what this thread is for), but I do think he should adjust his references to be actual quotes.
I do not see the difference as creating these graphs and tables require a lot of efforts as you know, and it seems to me that posting them pretending as if he created them is nothing but plagiarism. |
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I found the user mithrim has repeatedly posted merit stat graphs and tables, which were originally created by zentdex and posted in the threads: [1] Merit Stat from theymos data[2] Where the Merit Pours?to German local threads and LoyceV's Merit data analysis. Thanks to these posts, mithrim has collected 11 merits so far. The problem is that mithrim typically does not cite zentdex, and seems to be pretending as if the materials were created by mithrim. mithrim sometimes gave a credit to zentdex, but the citation is very small: For instance, you can see "*Quelle" at the end of this post for a link to zentdex's original post. zentdex signed like "stats: by zentdex" in some of the graphs / tables, but not all. As zentdex's analysis is quite informative, I understand people want to share it, and zentdex would be happy about that. Needless to say one needs to give a correct credit to zentdex's hard work. The correct way is to quote zentdex's original posts. However, mithrim never quote the zentdex's posts. The following is the current list of mithrim's posts. I must say they are plagiarism, please check them carefully. The list of mithrim's posts copying and pasting the graphs and tables created by zentdex
This post copies 2 graphs and 3 tables from [2], and mithrim obtained 4 merits. This post copies 1 graph and 2 tables from [2]. This post copies 1 graph and 1 table from [1], and mithrim obtained 1 merit. This post copies 1 table from [2] and mithrim obtained 2 merits. This post copies 1 graph and 1 table from [1], and mithrim obtained 3 merits. This post copies 2 graphs and 1 table from [2], and mithrim obtained 1 merit. |
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メリットソース着任おめでとうございます。
個人的な考えなのですが、「sMeritは使用しないと消滅する」としても使わなきゃって思う人は少ないのでは？と思います。
たとえ消滅してもデメリットがないですからね。
消滅まで放置したらアクティビティか所有Meritが減るぐらいのルールがあった方がいいのかもしれません。
確かに。送る送らないは個人の自由なのでそうなります。 ただし、メリットソースとして選ばれるユーザーに関してはある程度の条件がありますので、その点では問題が発生する可能性は少ないかと… もし問題が起きるとすれば、配られたユーザーが無意味に貯め込むという可能性がありますね。 私の予想ですが、もしsMeritを配らずに何ヶ月にも渡って消滅させ続けるメリットソースがいたとしたら、運営側からメリットソースの権利を剥奪され他のユーザーに移されるのかもしれません。 そのようなことがどこかのスレッドで議論されていたというわけではありませんが（単に私が知らないだけでどこかで情報開示されている可能性もありますが）、運営の立場からすると、そのような処置をとると思います。 また、ソース以外のユーザーについても、sMeritを一定期間貯め込むと自然と減っていく制度を将来的に導入する可能性が運営側から示唆されていますので、sMeritを貯め込むユーザーが多い状況になった場合はその機能が実装されるのだと思います。 （ところで早速ピン留めスレッドを作っていただきありがとうございます。Newbieの方にも分かりやすくなりましたね。） |
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To date 179 posts have been given 50 merits by one person at one time.
Interestingly, there was only an additional 40 posts when I dropped the threshold to 40 merit or higher - 219 people.
Right, I guess those who send 50 merits at one time do not care or recognize if they would be marked as a suspicious merit abuser, and those who care it are choosing sufficiently fewer numbers of merits rather than 49, 48 ... 40. I assume a certain percentage of relatively large peaks at 20, 25, 30 in the histogram in the OP correspond to such transactions, and they might have sent like 25 + 25 or 20 + 30 or maybe 20 + 20 to avoid to reach the upper bound of 50. Of course they could stop just sending 20 or 30 if that amount is sufficient for rank up or they try to avoid to be marked as abuses. I think focusing on the 50-merit transactions is the first step, as it is the easiest and most efficient way I presume, after which it would be good to consider more decent analysis to shed light on the relatively large peaks at 20, 25, 30. |
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Presumably most of the bounty participants are not using their main email accounts but I do agree with the OP as I do not see a necessity to expose the list of email addresses for public. Even if they want to use the email addresses to update new information etc for bounty participants, of course they can keep the email addresses in their database, rather than expose them for general public. Maybe we should list up such bounty campaigns like above and let moderators notice the situation and consider a new rule. |
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今までの経緯を踏まえたChild board作成の要請をtheymosにPMしました。 theymosは以下のスレの通り日本語postが少ないからという理由で（大分前に）Child board作成を拒否した経緯がありますが、 現在は日本よりもpostが少ない韓国でChild boardがあるため、日本で作成されない理由はありません。 （あと、snccさん援護射撃ありがとうございました  ） https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2067542.0定期的にadmin達へのPMやMETAでの周知を図ることで、必ずChild boardは作成されると思いますので、根気強く行きましょう。 ついでに、モデレーターとメリットソースも要求しておきましたｗｗ 皆様、ありがとうございました。 無事、アルトコインボードが作成されました。 また、本日theymosよりモデレーターの任命とメリットソースについてのPMが送られてきました。 日本語板のモデレーターとして中立的な判断をし、より健全なコミュニティになるよう努めますのでよろしくお願いします。 子ボードできましたね！そして以前のポストも復元されているようでした。 hakkaさん、おめでとうございます。segareさん、Anon11073さん、snccさんはじめ、プッシュされた方々の活躍による成果だと思います。 微力ながら、これから発展に寄与していきたいと思います。 子ボード導入、さらにモデレーターとメリットソースまで、本当によかったですね。 hakkaさんが日本語ボードに関するスレをMetaで上げていただいたのを見ましたので、日本語コミュニティはそこまで小さくないのだと実際のデータを突きつけてきたのですが、これまでの一つ一つの投稿やPMを通じた粘り強い交渉が実を結んだのだと思います。 また、モデレーターに就任されたAnonさんはこれからよりお忙しくなることと思いますが、メリットの問題もよい方向に向かっているように思いますので、これから皆さんで日本語コミュニティをより盛り上げていけるといいですね。 |
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ついにアルトコインの子ボードが日本語ボードに導入されましたね。以前削除されたANN系スレッドも無事全て復活しているようです。これで一斉削除の心配もなくなりましたね。
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日本が大好きだけど、ここで日本語があまり見られないから、新しい区分は必要じゃない。
As a native Japanese speaker I can tell your Japanese is very fluent! Strictly speaking, there exists the Japanese local board but no child boards, so the request is adding child boards for Japanese local board. While I agree Japanese community is not that big, I do not think Japanese community is so small compared with other local communities that have child boards as well as local moderator: | Language | Posts | Topics | | 日本語 (Japanese) | 29485 | 137 | | Ελληνικά (Greek) | 31322 | 2333 | | Hrvatski (Croatian) | 20875 | 1035 | | العربية (Arabic) | 15169 | 1641 |
Note that the the number of posts and topics in Japanese board are data after the massive elimination of altcoin threads. It seems to me that it is not unreasonable for Japanese community to have child boards. |
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It seems to me that some local boards do not have sufficient smerit distribution, and it would be good to clarify that directly from data dump, which would help designing an appropriate distribution of merit sources. It would be useful to have
post ID, topic ID, board ID, merit
and check how much each local board is active and whether sufficient smerits are distributed. Of course spams and non-high-quality posts will be counted but I assume they are roughly proportional to the total number of posts.
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I don't think infographics is necessary to understand how merit system works. All stuffs have been mentioned in the OP written by Theymos, forum admin. Users who really want to learn and contribute to the forum should spend their time to read the OP (as the link sncc provided in his/ her thread). If they are too lazy to spend a couple of minutes to read, that means they are likely not able to contribute anything to the forum (because even with important things, they don't want to spend time to read, so I doubt they will spend more time to compose constructive threads to help forum users).
Ehh, some people don't have English as their first language so I can get why they prefer an infographic in comparison to walls of text and wouldn't really blame them. But the fact that they didn't do the research first and then apply is what really irks me really. Right, while I also agree that it is hard to reduce the number of users who do not research, the infographics do help people understand the system, especially for ESL people as you say. Theymos also thought that infographic is necessary and asked forum members to make it: The forum ranking system is a bit complicated now... It'd be nice if someone made an infographic explaining activity and merit.
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For the first few replies to this thread, this is not begging merits. It seems to me that some people are too sensitive for finding out begging merits. It is a natural idea to list up one's best informative posts. It is just like a selected publication list in academia. In that case the purpose is to attract more people's attention and consequently to obtain citations, which corresponds to merits in the present case. Also, I've already discussed in the OP that why I consider the personal text area is better than the signature area as it will also work for those who want to keep signature area. People are considering a better way for the forum, see also this thread for an alternative suggestion.
Now let's go back to OP's post. I can't see any wrong about what you were doing and it is really indeed a pretty idea. That area is intended for advertisements and that should benefit you. Advertising one of your best post can really benefit you and IMO it is not a way of begging a merit
Right, my point was that it is the minimal way within the current system. It does not have a limitation like advertisement at the end of the post discussed above. |
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早くメンバーになりたいのですがどうしたら良いですか？、
調べると登録からの日数も加味されると書いてありましたがどうなのでしょう  そうだったんですね(＞＜)なるべく多くの板を見て書き込みするようにして早くランク上げられるように頑張ります。英語が分からないのでもっと日本語板が充実して欲しいです。、。、 私もまだ新人なので変わりませんよ  頑張りましょう Memberになるには60のActivityと10のMeritが必要です。ランクアップについての情報も含め、重要な日本語情報はこちらのスレッドに一覧にしてありますのでご活用ください。 日本語ボードの目次 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3033203.0 |
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There are two types of mertis: Merit and sMerit. Merit is necessary for rank up, and sMerit is different thing, only for sending it to other users. A certain number of sMerits is provided every month for merit sources to give them to other users, but Merits are not provided automatically. See infographic below ( https://i.imgur.com/TER5lGX), full version is here.  |
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When theymos introduced the merit system, he distributed each user merit score necessary to achieve their rank as well as smerits depending on the user's activity in the last year, with upper bound of half of the initial merit score determined above. Other than the initially distributed smerits, you do not get smertis automatically unless you are a merit source. You can get smerits only when someone gives you merits to your posts. You can get 1 smerit per 2 merits.
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Within the current system, a similar approach would be to show a list of the posts you would like to recommend for merit in the personal text area, see the left of this post, which I proposed here. It helps merit sources to review quality posts and automatically resolves the issue in the OP as there is a limitation of the number of posts you could list, though currently there is no way to list recommendations of all users in a single view. |
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ANN系スレッド一斉削除を回避するために[ANN]や[ICO]をタイトルに含まないスレッドも増えてきたため、現在日本語ボードは3ページですが依然としてNewbieの方にはスレッドの区別が難しい状態ですね。この目次は時々追記しますのでご利用ください。
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