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341  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What Happens to the People Wanting to Run a Node in 20+ Years? on: July 03, 2021, 10:13:17 PM
ROM is not RAM.

20-22 years ago ISDN was fast. 25 years ago 56k was fast 40 years ago 1200 bps was fast and a few years before that 300 and 110 baud was nice. And a 5 MB HDD was huge and 64K of RAM was lots with a 1 MHz CPU.

20 years from now we will look back and think about how little storage, RAM, and CPU speed we had.

Given the block chain grows relatively linearly and computing power and storage are growing more (Moore) and linearly, and one get get fiber internet today (and for years) the initial sync will be improving over time.



Ten years ago, processors were.. 3 GHz. And today, processors are.. 3 GHz.

Wait.

Let me restart.

The necessary storage/transfer will be mostly linear scaling due to the limits on the number of transactions.

So today, a full node takes maybe 300 GB. Ignoring the first few years, we can estimate 300 GB / 5 years. In twenty years, all transactions will be encompassed within < 2TB of storage. Think how fast memory/ROM develops. You have 2 TB of ROM now, easily accessible. And that's the limit within 20 years. That's not really that much.

Yes, it might take a few weeks to download, but bandwidth will increase too.

Also, keep in mind that many people don't use a full bitcoin node to interact with the chain.
342  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So, you want to get sued by a scammer? on: July 02, 2021, 04:54:11 PM
What about using an anonymous hosting service. If its cheap im sure a lot of people
would only be too happy to defy CSW's claims and demands.

This service below is "offshore" so im sure and "laws" passed in the U.K or elsewhere
wont matter? I stand to be corrected.

https://abelohost.com/offshore-web-hosting/

Yeah that will work, decentralized file sharing solutions like IPFS, Arweave and Skynet are also good options for hosting files for free on the clearnet. This topic of mine has a few copies hosted in those locations: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5346576.0

There are also things like ZeroNet, file coin, and freenet (among others) that might be useful in hosting copies of the paper and the source.  I would be surprised if there are not copies on there already, but I haven't looked specifically for it.

Presumably one could also post the paper in snippets on Twister and similar platforms. 
343  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ¿what is the contribution to the society of the idea behind bitcoin? on: July 02, 2021, 02:59:10 PM
1. Protection from authoritarians who want to seize the products of your life - just like the democrat slave owners in the US, who believed that their need was justification for seizing the lives of slaves
2. Avoidance of capital controls imposed by those authoritarians
3. Protection from the ravages of inflation caused by terrible polices like those above
4. Inability to censor - unlike banks, fiat, centralize crypto
5. Decentralization
6. Anonymity - more anonymity as time progresses with various upgrades to the software
7. Micropayments via second layers

In short, protection of your freedom and liberty from those who want the power to control you and the power to decide how you should live your life.  Protection of the smallest minority in the world - the individual - from the power of the majority who may believe that the minority of one has to bend to the will of a majority because they hold a gun.
344  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I want to talk about Soros and Bitcoin. on: July 02, 2021, 02:51:41 PM
Please do not sell your bitcoin before its price reach 100000$

Only $100 000? Well, I wouldn't sell BTC to Soros or to people like him for $1 million - do you value your BTC so little? You see, that's actually the problem we have - everyone has some sort of exit price, and will probably sell sooner or later, and believe me those who have so much money like Soros or even much more than him can afford to buy BTC even for $100k.

If 10% of the world's people control 90% of the world's wealth, the advantage of purchasing power is definitely on their side - it's only a matter of time before they buy most of the BTC - but at least some of the poor will get rich, at least for a while.

Exactly.  When bitcoin his another 2 to 3 orders of magnitude from here (e.g. more than 100 to 1000 X from here) it may get more stable in fiat terms and then there will be no need to exit the bitcoin/crypto ecosystem since people will transact more in bitcoin. There is no need to exit.

Having an exit price has been a bad strategy for more than a decade and seems likely to continue to be a bad one.  Everyone who had an exit at 1, 10, 1000, 20000, etc has regretted it.

345  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin security in the long term on: July 02, 2021, 02:44:47 PM
china continues to ban bitcoin mining, donald trump hates bitcoin, the tesla company no longer accepts payments in bitcoin, maybe this will be a question mark about bitcoin security going forward, we can't deny that many predict the price of bitcoin in the future will continue to rise, will continue to soar, so how do we secure our bitcoins in the future, is it possible that security in the future will still be the same as now???

What does Donald Trump have to do with this? 

Socialists, fascists and authoritarians in general don't like bitcoin since it interferes with their control over everyone else, so the current administration won't be friendlier to bitcoin over the long term.
346  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The recent house hearing concerning bitcoin and cryptocurrencies on: July 01, 2021, 04:18:58 PM
I mean, the comment on the California Lottery tells it all. This people will always have a pre-determined agenda to respect and in fact they don't actually care about the underlying value of bitcoin.

Jeebus that was bizarre. How is people wasting time on the lottery better than investing in literally anything?? I know that the government gets funding through the lottery, but recommending the people to go with lotteries instead of investing? That's definitely one way to make sure the masses stay poor.

You hit it on the head with the comment above.  They want the money and the power that comes with distributing it.  People like Sherman (and his party) want the power to control everyone by controlling their financial lives.  His attitude is that he doesn't believe people are smart enough to make decisions for themselves, but are smart enough to vote dunces like him in to do it for them.  And his "something for nothing" mentality where "someone else" is going to pay for everything is the same mentality that the Democrat slave-owners in the old South had:  I have the right to dispose of the labors of your life merely because I want to do so.  Talk about an evil and immoral philosophy.
347  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey agree to talk about bitcoin at an event in July on: June 30, 2021, 10:11:32 PM
Any news involving the clown Musk have zero interest for me. The guy is only a manipulator narcissistic dude, his interests for me to get rich are zero as well so why should I care. I'm not that stupid to follow like the sheep. Next!

Exactly.  An uninformed huckster.

And who cares if they "have a plan" for bitcoin?  Musk's opinion has no bearing on the value or use of bitcoin.  
348  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2021-06-23] El Salvador Welcomes Volcanic Crypto Mining Amidst China Ban on: June 30, 2021, 07:21:22 PM
el savador maybe be the next gen country home that bitcoin and other crypto freely mine and transaction on there

If they would adopt laws that completely protected property rights and the rule of law along with bitcoin, they would attract people and capital from all over the world.  Plenty of people want freedom and want to escape the authoritarian thugs worldwide.

It is certainly promising that they are adopting bitcoin given the way many countries are headed - the Biden administration heading towards control and less liberty for example and towards fascism or socialist dictatorship as the final goal.
349  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2021-06-27] Bitcoiner Mircea Popescu Dead By Drowning on: June 30, 2021, 12:54:47 AM
Is there any confirmation on how many coins he owned? Somewhere in this forum, I found a crazy claim that Mircea Popescu owned BTC1,000,000 in his wallets. There is not even a 0.01% chance that this is true (unless he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto). In one of the news portals, I found this claim that he had $1 billion worth of cryptocurrency with him. Now this is more believable for me. BTW, the circumstances surrounding his death sounds suspicious. What are the chances that he will venture in to a part of Playa Hermosa, which is known to be dangerous? 

No way 1 million. I don't think there is any confirmation, would anyone do that?  I'd guess in the 10k range.
350  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: HODL...until when? on: June 28, 2021, 06:38:05 PM
Those who advocate hodling, when do you cash out?

I mean, dying hodling is not the plan, is it? Eventually, you'd need to enjoy the fruits of your patience, right? When is that, when someone says "hodl"? Is it a savings plan? A retirement fund? What does it mean to hodl?

Why cash out?  When bitcoin hits another 1.5 to 2 orders of magnitude in fiat terms, it will be more stable and you can just transact easily in bitcoin.

If you think you can time when to get in and when to get out, just ask the people wiped out by margin calls how that worked.  Or who sold in March 2020.

351  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is bitcoin a good investment in this pendamic situation? on: June 28, 2021, 06:36:53 PM
invest in bitcoin, not only during the pandemic, but bitcoin was very well done before the pandemic, because bitcoin has provided real evidence, not mere fictitious, especially when the world economic pandemic weakens, almost all companies lay off workers, unemployment is everywhere, by itself investing in bitcoin, a very good goal, because it can make our finances recover, and can help our families by investing in bitcoin..

Exactly.  Any time in the last 11.5 years has been a good time to invest or mine in bitcoin and come out ahead.  Except perhaps for the last few months compared to now, but the same was true at the end of 2017.  And it was the same in 2013 and 2015 etc.

352  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wright wins the bitcoin whitepaper copyright lawsuit without proving his claim on: June 28, 2021, 06:33:24 PM
Craig Wright who claimed that he has created the bitcoin whitepaper, surprisingly wins the lawsuit against Cøbra (Bitcoin.org domain administrator)
Cøbra lost the lawsuit, not because Craig Wright proved his claim. Cøbra lost the lawsuit because he didn't defend himself as he didn't want to reveal his identity.

Visit the link below for more information.
Craig Wright Wins Bitcoin Copyright Lawsuit Against Pseudonymous Developer


We all know Faketoshi (Craig Wright) is not satoshi and I don't want to discuss about that here.
Although it was clear that Cøbra would not defend himself, I did not expect Craig Wright to win the lawsuit.

What surprises me is how Craig Wright could win the lawsuit while he didn't prove that he has created bitcoin whitepaper.
Does it mean any one else could sue Cøbra and wins the lawsuit without proving anything? It's really ridiculous.

According to the court decision, Cøbra must pay £35,000. How can they get the money from a person they don't know?
Of course, Cøbra is willing to pay the money to real satoshi.

Default judgements are common when someone doesn't respond to a lawsuit.  In this case it was stupid, but not unexpected when he wouldn't respond to it.  It really has no value though except limited to that particular person and case.  

The meaning of it will likely be misrepresented.
353  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2021-06-23 Forbes - Say Goodbye To Bitcoin And Say Hello To The Digital Dollar on: June 28, 2021, 06:28:18 PM
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The Senate Banking committee's hearing on the digital dollar two weeks ago was not only a public exploration and introduction to the concept a central bank-backed digital currency, the hearing was also used as a platform to publicly assassinate the viability of the private ("bogus" in the words of Senator Warren) cryptocurrency market (bitcoin, stablecoins, etc.).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrich/2021/06/23/say-goodbye-to-bitcoin-and-say-hello-to-the-digital-dollar/

Great! The digital dollar, and with it all the central bank digital currencies, are the new "blockchain" sneak oil, if you know what I mean!
While the wise man watches and observes the moon, the fool continues to watch the finger.
That is good, they are still missing the point. In any case, digital dollar, stablecoin etc. are just replacements for old currencies.
Bitcoin is a revolutionary protocol that cannot fear this thin and sterile challenge.
Onward and upward.

Exactly acquafredda.

Duping people by saying pyrite is gold may work for a little while, but smart people know the difference and others will figure it out eventually.  No one should accept a digital dollar as a replacement for a decentralized, secure crypto.

A centralized coin might as well just be a database at AWS.  Anyone could have done a centralized digital dollar several decades but it makes little sense unless now you are attempting to muddy the waters in order to preserve centralized fiat currencies around the world.  

354  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Maximalism on: June 16, 2021, 10:04:55 AM
Every cryptocurrency is based on Bitcoin's blockchain technology these days. No matter which shiny new features a coin has, its design is similar to Bitcoin in every way. There's a reason why other cryptocurrencies besides Bitcoin are called "altcoins" to this date. While it's true that the pioneer cryptocurrency has some limitations, its functionalities can be expanded thanks to its open source design. This means that Bitcoin can do everything the other coins do today, if developers are willing to integrate new features into the network. With sidechains, and the Lightning Network, there might be no need for altcoins at all. Bitcoin would become an "All-in-One" blockchain network capable of doing everything other cryptocurrencies do today.

What do you think? Will Bitcoin render other altcoins "obsolete" in the long term? Do you think it's a good thing to make Bitcoin an "All-in-One" blockchain network in the future? If not, why? Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thank you Smiley

To truly make altcoins obsolete , then Bitcoin would have to be better than the altcoins in all functions.

Alts                                            Vs          Bitcoin
Smart Contracts                                       Nope
Energy Efficient                                        Nope
High Onchain Transaction Capacity            Artificially limited Onchain Transaction Capacity
Lower Transaction Fees                            High Transaction fees due to limited onchain capacity
Affordable                                               Not Affordable


LN can do nothing to help Bitcoin make alts obsolete,
because the rub is, an Altcoin name Litecoins activated segwit before bitcoin did.
And anything Bitcoin can do on LN, Litecoin can also do , except much faster and at lower cost since they have plenty of onchain transaction capacity.
* If BTC artificial blocksize limit is not removed,
LN offchain will fail as theft of LN locked funds become easy if onchain congestion occurs.*


The real question is why anyone uses bitcoin over the alts, and the only answer for that is many have formed a false religion
around a technically inferior coin , only because it was the 1st, no other real reason.
As the crypto sphere adds new players , you will find this false worship of bitcoin beginning to fail,
as logic and reason , eventually sink in, even with the most die-hard bitcoiner cultist, whose chants hodl and fud.


You should check out Taproot, Tapscript and Schnorr and update that "Nope".  Not to mention side chains, lightning etc.

As far as "Energy Efficient", anything can be efficient if you don't care about security.  Using energy is what keeps the network secure.  The alt-coins that promise otherwise are preying upon the naïveté of people who aren't following the security of them.

As far as "not affordable"?  Really?  You can buy any amount of bitcoin that you want so it is as affordable as you want it to be.

Login, facts, and reason seem to be missing from at least 3 of the points above.





355  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If governments block Bitcoin, does Bitcoin have no value? on: June 15, 2021, 03:12:59 PM
In Bitcoin-based transactions, about 76 billion US dollars of transactions are involved in illegal activities each year, accounting for about 46% of the total Bitcoin transactions. Almost a quarter of bitcoin users, and nearly half of bitcoin transactions, are illegal. Therefore, from a quantitative point of view, the use of Bitcoin is enough to become the target of attention of governments and international criminal police. If governments block Bitcoin, does Bitcoin have no value?

In a statist, authoritarian society like you describe where bitcoin is illegal, bitcoin becomes MORE valuable in order to protect oneself and one's assets from these controlling tyrannical totalitarians.   At least it becomes more valuable to people who cherish liberty and the freedom to life one's life freely.

As far as nonsense like "Almost a quarter of bitcoin users , and nearly half of bitcoin transactions, are illegal." I don't believe that is remotely accurate.   Illegal where?  China?  Australia? Austria?  India? US?  Taiwan?  Hong Kong?  Mexico?  Brazil?  South Sudan?  Korea?  North Korea?  If you meant that half of all bitcoin transactions are illegal somewhere, I would agree, but the rest of the world shouldn't care what China, Cuba, North Korea or other totalitarian country thinks.  

So, yes, bitcoin, encryption (non-backdoored) and crypto will be even more important if countries turn towards a repressive, confiscatory, autocratic regimes.  Let's hope they don't go down this illiberal path, but with the rise of the authoritarian socialists/fascists in the US nothing is certain.  If the entire world adopts these despotic, oppressive rules like you describe, bitcoin will be a haven for the black market, free thinking individuals until liberty returns to the world.
356  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Paul Todor be the influencer to take BTC to the moon? on: June 15, 2021, 02:53:38 PM
Will Paul Tudor Jones Take Bitcoin to the Moon?

The question asked on the Bitcoin Forum today has left some readers shaking their heads, trying to make sense of what it could possibly be all about.

"What? No," answered a local Bitcoin expert. "The question in itself isn't valid as Bitcoin has already been to the moon several times and back."

Jones, a hedge fund manager with a net worth of $7 billion, made waves on Bitcoin Twitter today after admitting Bitcoin was an awesome hedge against fiat. The revelation even managed to cause a few cryptobro blue checks on Twitter to lose their fucking minds.

"Bitcoin good, fiat bad. HODL," replied Peter McCormack upon hearing the news, before succumbing to a retarded fit of masturbation.

As for the definition of "moon," that remained subjective, and a point of contention among many.

"We mooned at $10," commented a wayward spiritual traveler who had evidently been around for quite some time. "We mooned at $100. We mooned at $10k. We moon again soon."

I think people were thinking it was "the moon" when bitcoin hit dollar parity.  Let alone the ones above!  :-)

PTJ's thoughts on it are obviously good for adoption.  The more people who are respected in the hedge fund and Wall Street areas understanding the value that bitcoin brings, the better of course.  One alone?  Not enough - unless, perhaps, it is Gary Gensler and he approves an ETF.  

357  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Taproot lock in in about 20-22 hours on: June 13, 2021, 06:38:38 PM
The next day will be a big day for bitcoin since it looks like Taproot will lock in in about 20-24 hours...

What you're talking about will have a 0% effect on the average user who doesn't understand what it's about anyway, not to mention that it's not news that the mainstream media would emphasize at all - for the simple reason that they don't understand such technical things, and if there are no clickbait titles, there are no earnings either.

The next day will be just one in a row in which 90% of those who own Bitcoin will wake up and look at the price - everything else is irrelevant.


In the short term, I agree it will have little impact on the average user.  In the middle to long term, it will have a tremendous impact on all users whether people realize it yet or not.  Tapscript, Schnorr and Taproot enable a lot of new uses and make many things faster, easier and more private.  It should be huge news.

I found it interesting which places in the mainstream did actually cover it.  The largest one I saw was CNBC  https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/12/bitcoin-taproot-upgrade-what-it-means.html  so it wasn't widely covered from what I could see.



358  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Taproot lock in in about 20-22 hours on: June 13, 2021, 06:31:08 PM
I don't think we can compare this with first halving and lightning but it will be interesting to see new addresses adoption rate and probable rise of multisig usage.
It's better to count that in blocks instead oh hours as we saw that delays can always happen, but please check out out Roger Ver aka MemoryDealers red signaling blocks  Cheesy




Perhaps not, but the benefits will be much greater than lightning.  For me the first halving was an interesting thing to be a part of, this is similar.

As far as hours, I considered counting by blocks and (obviously) knew the count, but thought it was more useful to say hours from posting.  :-)
359  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why some millionaires hate Bitcoin? on: June 13, 2021, 06:29:08 PM
Some wealthy people have expressed their disdain towards Bitcoin. They believe Bitcoin is a scam or Ponzi scheme backed by nothing. Figures like Warren Buffet, and even Donald Trump himself believe Bitcoin is a sham. I'm surprised to see this, since Bitcoin brings many profit opportunities to its "hodlers". For some reason, millionaires (or billionaires) hate Bitcoin. They usually support Gold and Fiat, not wanting to try something new like crypto/Blockchain tech. Justin Sun tried to convince Warren Buffet to get into crypto a while ago, only to find that his efforts were in vain.

Thoughts? Huh

Some poor people, some middle income people have expressed their disdain towards bitcoin also.  Does that mean all do?  Of course not.  Ditto for "rich" people.   Plenty of rich, middle income, and poor people like the promise of bitcoin.  Plenty of the same don't like it.  It is meaningless to extrapolate from the likes of Buffett to make many conclusions based on his level of wealth.

The reason why is simple:  people have their own areas of expertise and are entrenched in it in many ways.  There were a ton of people in 2009 and 2010 who hated bitcoin, and most of them were tech people who didn't have a deep enough understanding of it to realize the potential.   It has been the same every year since: there are a lot of people who say "tulips", "ponzi" and "scam" and there are plenty of people who understand the benefits and who know that bitcoin has the ability to let people protect their assets from the greedy, grasping hand of politicians of the authoritarian (fascist, socialist, communist etc) stripe.
 
One key point is that many of the people who don't like bitcoin - e.g. Buffett (2 Ts), Soros et al - have a vested interest in the status quo and the ability to have a hidden inflation tax on everyone.  Others (such as Trump) haven't had the benefits properly explained to them and have advisors who don't want to explain the benefits properly.
360  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Taproot lock in in about 20-22 hours on: June 11, 2021, 11:37:49 AM
The next day will be a big day for bitcoin since it looks like Taproot will lock in in about 20-24 hours (124 blocks as of this writing) - barring some craziness.  Like the first halving, lightning etc, I suspect that plenty of people will be watching it closely to mark the occasion.  All in all, this should be a big positive for the ecosystem.
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