https://ionomy.com/terms-serviceTerminating an Account. Ionomy Limited may (a) suspend or terminate your access to any of the Virtual Currency Services, and (b) deactivate or cancel your Ionomy.com Account as required by a valid subpoena or court order, or if Ionomy Limited reasonably suspects you of using your Ionomy.com Account in furtherance of illegal activity. You will be permitted to transfer Virtual Currency associated with your Virtual Currency Wallet for ninety (90) days after Account deactivation or cancellation unless such transfer is otherwise prohibited (i) under the law, or (ii) by a valid subpoena or court order. If any transaction is in a pending state at the time your Ionomy.com Account is cancelled or suspended, such transaction may be cancelled and/or refunded as appropriate. You may not cancel your Ionomy.com Account to evade an investigation or avoid paying any amounts otherwise due to Virtual Currency. Upon cancellation of your Ionomy.com Account, you authorize Ionomy Limited to cancel or suspend pending Exchange Service transactions and, after providing written notice to the you, return the funds associated with such transactions to your address or bank account, as applicable. In the event that you or Ionomy Limited terminates this Agreement or your access to the Virtual Currency Services, or deactivates or cancels your Virtual Currency Account, you will remain liable for all amounts due hereunder. In the event that a technical problem causes system outage or account errors, Ionomy Limited may temporarily suspend access to your Account until the problem is resolved. You can terminate your Ionomy account at any time by contacting support@ionomy.com with a notification of cancellation Nice try. Ninja-edit without changing the date: https://archive.is/j6myj#selection-671.0-675.1560Terminating an Account.
Ionomy Limited may (a) suspend or terminate your access to any of the Virtual Currency Services, and (b) deactivate or cancel your Ionomy.com Account as required by a valid subpoena or court order, or if Ionomy Limited reasonably suspects you of using your Ionomy.com Account in furtherance of illegal activity. You will be permitted to transfer Virtual Currency associated with your Virtual Currency Wallet for ninety (90) days after Account deactivation or cancellation unless such transfer is otherwise prohibited (i) under the law, or (ii) by a valid subpoena or court order. If any transaction is in a pending state at the time your Ionomy.com Account is cancelled or suspended, such transaction may be cancelled and/or refunded as appropriate. You may not cancel your Ionomy.com Account to evade an investigation or avoid paying any amounts otherwise due to Virtual Currency. Upon cancellation of your Ionomy.com Account, you authorize Ionomy Limited to cancel or suspend pending Exchange Service transactions and, after providing written notice to the you, return the funds associated with such transactions to your address or bank account, as applicable. In the event that you or Ionomy Limited terminates this Agreement or your access to the Virtual Currency Services, or deactivates or cancels your Virtual Currency Account, you will remain liable for all amounts due hereunder. In the event that a technical problem causes system outage or account errors, Ionomy Limited may temporarily suspend access to your Account until the problem is resolved. Such trustworthy. so it was added after and korvas doesnt acknowledge that it wasnt there? also if you can click the cross thus not acknowledging the new terms does this mean your account runs under old terms and if rates etc changed then ionomy are in breach? i swear bootstrap is a boon for decent programmers to make a site but god damn it allows shonky people to look skilled and professional when they arent. call a modal box is all they probably did. what they needed was some php code in the main site template call the acknowledge page. if not acknowledged log them out or set a locked flag so all their stuff is read only. im guessing they just did a modal prompt box and it nowhere stores a flag that they agreed to new terms. that's the interesting question. the ToS pops up often if you click the x, but the site is still usable (as far as i can tell with 0 in my account). When I clicked to buy a staker it told me i didn't have enough money, and it will generate deposit addresses for me to buy ions via other, usable coins that people actually would want to use. |
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If I remember correctly that's a 2.5% house edge, meaning that the casino gets a slight advantage with their odds so that you're basically playing to lose.
If it was 50/50, it would be possible for a lot of people to walk away with more money than they started with. With a house edge, it limits that for a lot of people.
Im puzzling over how they secure the 2.5% house edge, because it will be either hi or lo Before i choose hi or lo for next roll i have 50% chance at that moment After i choose say hi, how does my chance of winning increase or decrease Simply, 0 to 4750 = LOW 4751 to 5249 = HOUSE EDGE 5250 to 10000 = HIGH There are three choices, but you can only choose two of the three. No number will come on display that is between 4751-5249 The winning number displayed will be either low or in hi range Example Numbers used are 1 to 100 House edge 5% Hi above 50 and lo below 45 The rolled number will never come in 45-50 range, it will be either of hi or low range, the numbers 45,46,47,48,49,50 are not even used ingame No, the numbers between 45 to 50 will come up. Because you haven't seen it yet, does not mean they do not exist. If the game has a House Edge, it will do as I have described. Your 50%/50% chance of winning is actually something like 49%/2%/49%. If the House Edge number pops up, neither HIGH or LOW is the correct guess. Thank you, i think you are right ,may be i haven't seen a house edge number yet, I think that site is wrongly displaying house edge numbers as hi or lo ,technically to be called hi it has to go above 50 as per my example above,so if chose lo and rolled say 47 ,it must be displaying it as hi making me believe they never use house edge numbers in game this is completely wrong, just so you know. If you pick high, if it is 5250 or higher, you win. If you pick low, if it is 4750 or lower you win. They are 2 completely separate scenarios since you can't do both at the same time. 5% of the time it will be between those 2 numbers, and your result will depend on what you picked. |
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No matter what side you pick, high or low, there are 4750 possible outcomes in which you win, and 5250 outcomes in which you lose.
House edge can be calculated by doing math, which obviously isn't the strong suit of many people in this thread.
To calculate the house edge, you need to multiply the expected value by -1. to calculate the expected value you need to add up payout times odds of that payout happening for all possible outcomes.
whether you pick high or low, the odds of you winning your bet are 47.5%, the odds of you losing your bet are 52.5%. It says 2x, but when you win you only win 1x because they also give you your bet back.
so the house edge if you bet x is
-1[(.525)(x) + (.475)(-x)] = .05 = 5%
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@suchmoon Please include the correct Company Name when you update your outdated FAQ Maybe ask the team to give the users an option to opt out of the new TOS. Seems that function is lacking. Probably more important than your suchmoon obsession, but then again your priorities are the exact opposite of logic. Seriously, can't you guys come up with stuff that makes sense anymore? Like it used to be. It is not a personal thing at all, but how important is this really in the whole picture. If you don't agree you can take your money and move on. Also I don't see huge changes in policy... what is the thing you want to disagree on? There's an opt-out button on the right top of the dialog and so there is on your browser window (in case of linux/mac on the left top). Also you can try your power button or pull the cord if you are not on a mobile device. It wouldn't cost them anything to add another button that leads to a page where you can actually close your account. Instead of an "x", which... does what exactly? If I press the "x", which TOS I'm now bound by? Obviously they don't expect anyone to actually reject the new TOS, which is fair enough - I can imagine that the remaining ~50 bagholders are loyal enough. It just shows the typical paycoin/ionomy way of doing "business". Incompetent, ignorant, unprofessional, you name it. Corporate HQ my ass. Fucking mailbox in Seychelles took them 8 months to get. If you hit the x it will pop up again every time you click something, but still take you to the page that you clicked on. I have not agreed to the new TOS, but can still generate deposit addresses for places to send various coins and do all sorts of fun stuff. Too bad they aren't holding any of my money to really check this out. Why would anyone want to send money to a company after they refuse to accept TOS ?? What fun stuff are you talking about  all the fun stuff on ionomy.com. I guess that all boils down to various ways to give team ionomy money in exchange for the premine. i can't figure out why anyone would do that for any reason, never mind after they refused the TOS. it's not really an issue this time since the only change is which country they are pretending the company is based in, but it could be an issue for future, substantive changes. A user is under the old tos until they accept the new one. if ionomy was competent the options would be, "click here to accept, click here to reject and close your account." but that's not what they are doing now. |
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@suchmoon Please include the correct Company Name when you update your outdated FAQ Maybe ask the team to give the users an option to opt out of the new TOS. Seems that function is lacking. Probably more important than your suchmoon obsession, but then again your priorities are the exact opposite of logic. Seriously, can't you guys come up with stuff that makes sense anymore? Like it used to be. It is not a personal thing at all, but how important is this really in the whole picture. If you don't agree you can take your money and move on. Also I don't see huge changes in policy... what is the thing you want to disagree on? There's an opt-out button on the right top of the dialog and so there is on your browser window (in case of linux/mac on the left top). Also you can try your power button or pull the cord if you are not on a mobile device. It wouldn't cost them anything to add another button that leads to a page where you can actually close your account. Instead of an "x", which... does what exactly? If I press the "x", which TOS I'm now bound by? Obviously they don't expect anyone to actually reject the new TOS, which is fair enough - I can imagine that the remaining ~50 bagholders are loyal enough. It just shows the typical paycoin/ionomy way of doing "business". Incompetent, ignorant, unprofessional, you name it. Corporate HQ my ass. Fucking mailbox in Seychelles took them 8 months to get. If you hit the x it will pop up again every time you click something, but still take you to the page that you clicked on. I have not agreed to the new TOS, but can still generate deposit addresses for places to send various coins and do all sorts of fun stuff. Too bad they aren't holding any of my money to really check this out. |
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@suchmoon Please include the correct Company Name when you update your outdated FAQ Maybe ask the team to give the users an option to opt out of the new TOS. Seems that function is lacking. Probably more important than your suchmoon obsession, but then again your priorities are the exact opposite of logic. Seriously, can't you guys come up with stuff that makes sense anymore? Like it used to be. It is not a personal thing at all, but how important is this really in the whole picture. If you don't agree you can take your money and move on. Also I don't see huge changes in policy... what is the thing you want to disagree on? There's an opt-out button on the right top of the dialog and so there is on your browser window (in case of linux/mac on the left top). Also you can try your power button or pull the cord if you are not on a mobile device. it really doesn't matter which country these guys are pretending to be in so that they think they can't get sued, but that doesn't mean people can't question the many, many, many things about this that don't make a lick of sense. the x on that box is not an opt out button, it closes the window. Now my account has ionomy has 0 ions, stakers, atoms, electrons, neutrons, or whatever other imaginary shit they are selling, so it's possible that people with "products" will have a different experience. it seems to be that non-scumbag companies who claim that people not agreeing to the TOS would would be able to cancel their account would be lead to a page where they could do that instead of having the TOS pop up every time they try to click on a page. but that might be beyond the capabilities of a team that needs you to make wallets and me to point out the definition of 24 hour volume. |
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arent agreement updates not automatic? any agreement change i thought has to be agreed by customers with an acceptance time. if a customer does not agree then they exit under old agreement. its why apple changes require a formal agree each time.
ionomy cant just post rates are now 90% up from 10% you all lose because we posted it. terms cant override law even if they contain waivers. reminds me when cryptsy said they can change withdrawal fees anytime... no you announce, give people that choose time to exit then enforce.
out of curiosity suchmoon what else is missing? i see no company change info in that small part of text
It doesn't specifically say that the company name or location changed, but it has the new name (" Ionomy Limited" instead of "Ionomy PTE") at the top. As far as missing - there is no button to not accept the change. And it's not quite obvious how to "cancel your Ionomy.com Account, free of charge, in the manner set forth below" because below it only explains account termination in very generic terms, nothing about the fate of stakers, atoms, or electrons if the account is terminated. It's such an innovative coining to invest in PNGs on a website "owned" by a $100 IBC halfway across the world. It's hard to imagine they could improve this but I'm sure they'll surprise me. Full text here: http://archive.is/j6myj@suchmoon Please include the correct Company Name when you update your outdated FAQ Maybe ask the team to give the users an option to opt out of the new TOS. Seems that function is lacking. Probably more important than your suchmoon obsession, but then again your priorities are the exact opposite of logic. his priorities are very clear. get people to buy all of his "free" ions that he has been given by giving team iOn usable money and/or coins. |
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ionomy Corporate Move
Hello BCT ionomy,
ionomy has relocated its corporate headquarters!
Effective December 2016, ionomy established its Corporate Headquarters in the Republic of Seychelles.
Ionomy Limited
Global Gateway 8 Rue de la perle
Providence, Mahe, Seychelles
Registration Number: 189524
ionomy relocated from Singapore to Seychelles for two reasons. First, Seychelles offers a more responsive administrative environment. Second, the regulatory landscape of Seychelles better facilitates ionomy’s plans for future enterprises. Additional consideration was made to protect our users privacy as the regulatory environment in Singapore has become more constricted in regard to Digital Currency startups and operations.
What does this mean for you?
This move does not affect current day-to-day operations.
ionomy has updated the terms of service to reflect the new Corporate Headquarters location. In the coming days, you will be prompted to review the new terms and must acknowledge this change to continue using the ionomy platform and its services.
Rest assured, you will not experience any impact to the use of the platform.
Regards,
The ionomy team
Change in TOS, good time to not agree with it and get your coins out of locked, long term stakers. To those that want to get out of Ionomy jail. Which ION team members will be stationed at the "new" office? Since Huey is the mastermind and he lives in Texas, why not make he company in the US? What are they afraid of? Why all the shell games and shell companies? Feds are crack’n down in the US and other countries. Look at Circle, Coinbase and a number of exchanges! I actually think it's a good move… What are they cracking down on? Is team Ionomy doing something questionable that they are worried about a US based business. I'm looking at Circle and Coinbase, both successful crypto companies in the US. So why doesn't Ionomy incorporate in the US again? So their goal is to jump from country to country to avoid any regulation? Circle is no longer converting to Fiat, Coinbase is getting hammered (court injunctions) by the feds to release Personal Data and all BTC Transactions on it's users. That's BS! The US is not crypto friendly! Yes, so circle and coinbase are responding by following the laws by changing their businesses and/or their customer bases. How does someone in Texas pretending to be in another country benefit anyone but him? How can a legitimate user be excite about anew shell company being announced when the product is behind schedule? Is there any explanation as to what went wrong in Singapore? did something change to cause the "move" or were all previous claims about Singapore lies? |
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Not being smart enough to realize GAW was a scam from the start AND getting as deeply invested as he did is not a good thing for someone claiming to be able to do what he is claiming to be able to do.
None of that changes the fact that xpybits or whatever team or foundation he was part of after Garza ran away was a complete failure.
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Has anyone come across game credits? http://gamecredits.com/I assume it's another scam but it's doing rather well at #15 market cap. Scam or not it's the final nail in the coffin for ion. obviously not viable for using that useless proof of work. Even if it somehow works, not fair to compare to the great ionomy because they had a 5 month head start. They were working on this coin while team ionomy was still fiddling around with and doing nothing with xpy or xpybits, or whatever horseshit they were doing last year that didn't make anyone any money. You have to give them a fair shake. Definitely don't hold them to their self imposed timelines, how would a company that's supposed to make games know how long it takes to make a game? |
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Thanks!
Hate to say it that lawyer is correct. Cut right through the smoke to where it is and what it is. Actually quite comical, all reads like a debate on here between two people nitpicking over semantics. he said she said I know you are but what am I bullshit. Could of saved a ton of money and hashed the whole thing out right here on this thread of bitcointalk.org.
Not sure how plaintiffs can respond to this, I see the asked for a reply by the 27th but the original previous request for an extension afforded the plaintiffs till January 27th 2017 to reply.
No clue anymore other than those two snippets of shit Homero coughed up about the book birthday present and Uncle Stu lamenting the birth of his kid, what use did that useless sack of shit provide them.
They need to try to wrap this up before the end of the year. Give the SEC a chance now, otherwise they're wasting our time with this back and forth nonsense, let the real lawyers and government gang take a swing. Pretty sure the IRS is sitting in the wings wanting to know where the taxes are on those 20 millions that disappeared.
There are some good points in that doc but on the other hand Fraser bankrolled the whole operation... he could have stopped it at any time if he quit funding it - Homero was losing money every step of the way until he hit jackpot with the hashlet ponzi, which gave him a few months of reckless spending. The nitpicking about 41% is ludicrous, it's just a number Homero came up with to make himself feel like he owned something while he was charging everything to Elise's Amex. Anyway, I have mixed feelings about this "devil" thing. Sure, Homero is an utter dipshit, but for a Wall Street big shot to fund a ponzi and pretend like it's no big deal because he "only" had 41% is pure bullshit. At least they're not friends anymore so let's hope Homero ends up appropriately poor and miserable and perhaps even has to (gasp) work for a living. what funding though? What were gaw's expenses? they didn't pay the electric bill, they didn't buy miners, they didn't pay for btc.com. how much does it cost to run a cloud mining ponzi? you need a website and a script to make up numbers. |
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for the skin you should put a digital representation of all the usable coins/money you gave to the "team" in exchange for 1000 ions in 90 days that you are the only person on earth that wants to buy.
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do not pay for picks. If they are good at picking games why aren't they betting the games instead of selling the picks?
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not that there was any doubt, but sharkie quoting coin market cap after saying how useless it is every time it showed a low price proves what an absolute piece of shit he is
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I'd suggest not using math systems like martingale and whatever this is that you're talking about. They do not work in the long-run. You are not guaranteed to inevitably win, so you can lose your money very quickly with these systems that don't actually work.
do not call martingale a "math system." anyone who has looked at the math of it and has a brain will tell you that it will cause you to lose a ton. |
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there is no way to make -ev bets that will end up good for you.
If you want to win at gambling, make good bets. You cannot make good bets on a dice site.
what mean good bet? why dice site is not good? a good bet is a bet with a positive expected value, a bad bet is a bet with a negative expected value. Examples of bad bets, every bet on a dice site or 99% of bets in a casino. Neutral bet, that has an ev of 0. We flip a coin, you get 1 dollar if it's heads, i get 1 dollar if it's tails. That is an even bet for both of us. Good bet, we flip a coin, if it's heads you give me a dollar, if it's tails I give you 95 cents. That is a good bet for me, and a bad bet for you. |
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there is no way to make -ev bets that will end up good for you.
If you want to win at gambling, make good bets. You cannot make good bets on a dice site.
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I find it quite entertaining reading BTC bag holders cry SCAM when BTC is in question itself… Chinese miners own 51% of the network, free power to mine and dump, price manipulation, don’t know who the creator is that owns an estimated 1 Million BTC. HAHA… Find a new argument!
So Chinese miners owning 51% of the network means BTC is awful, but team ION having an uknowable amount of coins is not a problem? BTC being a terrible or great investment has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that there is zero reason for anyone with a functioning brain to buy ions. POW is dead... time for POS to immerge... those with a functioning brain will have IONs when Bitcoin "Crashes"... immerge? Is that part of your new language like "edgey" and "imminent" with a new definition? How will it immerge? Why on earth would someone buy ions? what is the purpose? Bitcoin may crash, but at least it has some uses right now. Bitcoin crashing will not make your shitcoin useful. They can both suck. |
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boki, I'm not reading all that shit you just posted, but I did see your threat to have me prosecuted again for the imaginary crimes I have committed. Can you let me know about when that's going to happen? I'm trying to set up my calendar for the upcoming year, seems like a trip to jail would be helpful.
Still no imminent release of the game?
Is the problem that you people that bought these coins speak a different language than standard English?
That might actually explain everything. Maybe you guys are speaking some different dialect of English that we don't understand, and all these hare brained schemes actually have a change of succeeding in your language, so the only thing to worry about is a scam, not just a shitty investment that has no purpose.
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I find it quite entertaining reading BTC bag holders cry SCAM when BTC is in question itself… Chinese miners own 51% of the network, free power to mine and dump, price manipulation, don’t know who the creator is that owns an estimated 1 Million BTC. HAHA… Find a new argument!
So Chinese miners owning 51% of the network means BTC is awful, but team ION having an uknowable amount of coins is not a problem? BTC being a terrible or great investment has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that there is zero reason for anyone with a functioning brain to buy ions. |
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