I know multibit will support it
How? Is there any specs of Trezor out there? |
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Can't the testnet be reset at any time by the devs?
Yes No, it can't. Developers can reset TestNet only with new Bitcoin client released, by changing genesis block (won't happen since they would lose millions of coins they mined) or checkpoint(s). The fact TestNet genesis block was never reseted speaks about what developers really are up to, basically they don't want late adopters to have more Testnet coins than they think late adopters should have. That's not what he is asking. Yes the devs can reset Testnet. Period. Except if for you changing the genesis block doesn't reset testnet because people can still use a modified client to access the old one. That's true but noone will ever give a fuck if the satoshi client doesn't include it |
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Anybody know where the OP lives? Just want to be sure to avoid movie theaters next time I'm in the area.
Funny you say that. I just got back from the theatre and was making mental note of the exits before the movie started. US? |
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Is bitcoin collapsing?
Yes indeed, please sell all your bitcoins, my friends |
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There's an ASIC fucker who is raping testnet without even including transactions
I know, pointless thread
I'm just writing down my frustration
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Yes, get lots of Bitcoin, THEN go around chasing girls when you're living comfortably, that's my plan  Not a good idea while we are in a downtrend  What? Sell! SELLLLLLLL!!!! |
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Yes, I was talking about trying with other girls in the future  I personally think that you should try to be her friend, since that you have no experience with girls this could help you to be more confident with others in the future. This only if you think that you can handle it... In that case be clear with your intentions and I think that everything will work out. But yes, forget her. Bad advise. As long as he has feelings for this girl he should definitely not be her friend. Only do that if you seriously hate yourself It depends. I think that if you are not too addicted to a girl you can try to be her friend. If you do that only to hope that something will change in the future yes, thats a good way of hating themselves. I learned a lot on girls being "friend" of my ex for 6 months after he left me. It all ended with a goodbye in a hotel in Venice and I don't regret it. wat Disregard that, I find this dangerous when you never had anyone before He made a topic about it on an internet forum: he's into her. He can have girls as his friends, I would really advise against this one.
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I think cedivad meant keep trying with other girls
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Can't the testnet be reset at any time by the devs?
Yes |
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So upload it.
I think the problem here is that he wants a PHP-generated (from his hashrate I suppose) picture as his avatar |
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Thanks OP, I was getting worried
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Well, no girl anymore, so back to Bitcoin related activities.
 Well, I told her that we can't be friends, not like before I mean.
Just tell her to fuck off, when one has any respect for somebody she doesn't go from 'ok' to 'nope my friend' before any date She isn't worth it as a friend |
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Or the sign for bank followed by fuck off!  This, obviously |
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If however they decide that they refuse to lend their credibility to any chain other the Bitcoin
Don't make misleading statements, that's not the point. What they don't want is making Testnet coins valuable. By the way, of course they don't want to lend their credibility to Testnet: they admitted themselves that it might be bogus. Would you want to make people value bogus systems? In what way do you mean "bogus"? That said, any way around it I can't see how testnet could be more bogus then almost all these 'alt-coins' down here. (Some notable exceptions of course). In any case, we shall see. Bogus because of the untested op codes: mem leaks, unexpected behavior, etc I can't find any thread where the devs said so though. Try searching in the dev&tech subforum. |
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The problem is that mining requires a work that is hard to find but easy to verify.
Prime numbers don't work because finding one is as difficult as verifying it's prime
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i really do enjoy today, so many funny Threads  +1 for MODS "Today"? |
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Wow What the hell? I'm sorry, but it would be grossly unethical of me to sign you up for a contract when you've indicated to me you're just trying to game the system. Did a guy from a phone store actually say that? |
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Fair enough- indeed I do have a lot of them as I've been mining on the chain for some time, not with any significant hash power mind you, but the difficulty is low. My interests in monetizing them however is based on what I believe to be the solid premise that in order for testnet to serve as truly useful staging ground for greater experimentation in bitcoin it has to have some sort of value. The nonstandard transactions and bitcoin scripting that is enabled on testnet I would like to see added to main-net at some point in the future as I believe it will make Bitcoin and even more fantastic tool, opening all sorts of incredible ideas like smart-property. At the London Conference last year I was incredibly influenced by this talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD4L7xDNCmAWhere Mike Hearn talks about some of the incredible things that can be done using scripting in Bitcoin. However while these things are *in* bitcoin already, they are not enabled because they are deemed too risky to experiment with- even more so now that Bitcoin is worth over a Billion Dollars. I firmly believe that without effort to experiment with these sorts of non-standard transactions in advance, we are likely to never adopt them into main net bitcoin. As testnet bitcoins have no value, no one will bother trying to build anything cutting edge with them as there is no profit incentive to motive them. Like wise, the security vulnerabilities that likely exist in these non-standard transactions will also never be exploited as there is similarly no profit incentive. Without the chance to model a real economic environment with non-standard transactions enabled, we are likely never to really test non-standard transactions sufficiently enough to make a case for enabling them on main-net. At the value of bitcoin grows, people will become even more conservative about making changes to the code and it's likely many of Satoshi's idea will simply never be implemented- which I believe would be a true loss. Bitcoin as 'digital gold' is only the start of the revolution that this technology offers. Testnet should be the staging ground where people can experiment with the more futuristic ideas that Satoshi envisioned. By declaring testnet off-limits for testing is counter productive and holds the evolution of Bitcoin back. By allowing individuals to monetize testnet-bitcoins we can jumpstart a competitive economy where the bleeding edge of bitcoin technology can be tested- trial by fire, without risking Bitcoin main-net. Then, the lessons learned can be applied to bitcoin itself. I hope I'm making my case clearly, please let me know if I'm contradicting myself or if I am vague on any points. EDIT: I'm not sure this belongs entirely in Alt-Coin section, although I do most of my discussion about it there. This IS bitcoin. It's the same client that everyone uses and it's Bitcoin through and through. I would argue that discussion about the benefits of Testnet-Bitcoin do belong here, some elements might be better served in the technical discussion area. Although I think testnet talk does indeed belong up here. Don't try to convince me that scripts have a huge potential, I know it. What is not acceptable is making Testnet valuable. Developpers say that Testnet can be bogus. If you want to have some op codes accepted in Bitcoin, you must convince people to test them thoroughly in Testnet. Then ask the devs to include them. Looks like you're saying that experimentations will only be done in Testnet if they are valuable but that is wrong. Vulnerabilities in Testnet have been spotted in the past and proven there. Moreover, if Testnet had any value, this would require a hard fork each time. Same thing for BIPs. How could we test them if Testnet is valuable? I see what you mean, but making it the way you see it would induce a big loss. As a dev I need a network to test my things with worthless coins and I'm far from being the only one. If you want an altcoin with scripts enabled, either make a fork, ask the devs to make one, or ask them to make 3 networks (Bitcoin, Betacoin and Testnet) in Bitcoin. I would gladly support either. |
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If however they decide that they refuse to lend their credibility to any chain other the Bitcoin
Don't make misleading statements, that's not the point. What they don't want is making Testnet coins valuable. By the way, of course they don't want to lend their credibility to Testnet: they admitted themselves that it might be bogus. Would you want to make people value bogus systems? My hope though is that they warm up to the idea of testnet being the ideal staging ground for Bitcoin.
Great, that's exactly the point of Testnet. |
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