Readers might find this useful. It's a no minimum fully automatic trade between bitcoin and LR, both hard currencies.

https://www.nanaimogold.com/bitcoin.php

Also a handy currency calculator, gold, sliver, EUR, GBP, BTC and others, and some auction prices for comparison.

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Nanaimo Gold does not require users to open accounts and never asks users for ID.

Your problem stems from your trying to trade soft money for hard.

People are used to buying goods and services with soft money and it's surprising to them that they can't buy digital currency with the same.

Paypal, credit cards and online bank transfers can be reversed later, in some cases six months later. All it takes is the account holder to complain to the account issuer. Scammers take advantage of this to steal from those they trade with. They either use phished accounts to spend from, or they just use their own accounts and later lie to the issuer.

Those scammers look for the most liquid items to gain in this ill way. Also attractive are items that can't be traced or be proven in delivery, such as when signing for a package through the post. Nothing is more liquid than digital currency, and providers of soft money transfer services refuse any available proof that a digital currency has been delivered. Can you imagine a Paypal dispute resolved by a Liberty Reserve screenshot? It will never happen. In practice, it's much easier for those providing reversible payment systems to simply declare currency trades against their ToS. Too bad, so sad for anyone who accepts such soft money that later is reversed.

Soft money can work for goods that can be tracked in shipment, or for subscription services that can be cancelled for non-payment. Soft money can not work for currency trades or trade into any other very liquid goods. Soft money works best when the receiver knows and trusts the spender, hardly the anonymity we want and need.

Alert Pay and others like it are a money hardening service. They offer to accept soft money, check out, identify and verify the spender is the real account owner and has good character (credit check), and to accept the risk that they will occasionally get burned despite their efforts. All that checking and risk mitigation is expensive and time consuming.

You should look for an exchange service that offers a payment method that is cheap and easy for you to make. In person cash is perhaps the cheapest and most reliable, but not practical for long distance. Cash by mail can work well, but is sensitive to big mouth assholes, of which there are many in this particular forum. Depositing cash to a branch of the exchanger's bank is also fast, safe and cheap. Cash transmission service, such as Western Union Money Transfer or MoneyGram, is reliable and fast, but more expensive. Look for an exchanger that's easy for you to pay. The fee the exchanger charges is likely to be less than the fee to transmit to him the cash national currency.

I have explained this 43823849 times over the years. People are so conditioned to expect online payments and consumer protection that they most often fail to consider the other side of the trade. You getting burned by a bogus exchange service is a lot less likely than it is for an exchange service to be burned by carders and phishers.

Still, there is a never an end to the people who think they can offer hard money for soft. They pop up all the time and disappear just as fast. I've seen hundreds of them get frauded out of business. It simply can't work. Even you noobs who think bitcoin is the first digital currency (it is not) already have seen the Paypal, Dwolla, Paxum and Alert Pay failures. I warn them, they fail to heed and are invariably screwed right out of the scene by the hordes of stealer munkees infesting the internet.

Most of the oldest and best established digital currency exchanges are in Canada. This type of business has been repeatedly shut down in the USA and it's almost impossible to keep open a service if your meatspace is in the land of the free. Bitcoin has always been a very Canada-centric thing. The first year or so it was almost entirely Russian and Canadian. You have more choices in Canada than any other country in the world, Russia being second and UK third. Those trying to operate in usaland now have an unpleasant future ahead. I don't expect they will heed this warning, even though my track record in predicting such things has been 100% over the years. People believe what they want to believe and avoid facts counter to their wishes.

If you ever do get your AP traded for LR (a hard currency), you might find this useful. It's a no minimum fully automatic trade between bitcoin and LR, both hard currencies.

https://www.nanaimogold.com/bitcoin.php

Also a handy currency calculator, gold, sliver, EUR, GBP, BTC and others, and some auction prices for comparison.

I'm currently offering a Western Union to bitcoin service at NO CHARGE. Select the options you need on this page;

https://www.nanaimogold.com/buy.php

Because bitcoin is designed to be anonymous, and because private money should remain private, I do not entertain discussion in public. If you need to ask me a question, you can contact me in private through this form;

https://www.nanaimogold.com/contact.php

The instructions and limitations are clearly defined. I will not accept third party payments. You are clearly trying to use me to obscure your involvement in crime.

The order you made is dated April 5. How is that 4 weeks ago? Scammers do like that.

From the WU website:

I won't pick it up because it's fraudulent and you can't claim a refund from WU because you are not the sender. Eventually the mark will get his credit card bill and charge this back.

There is nothing else I can do.


There is nothing wrong with the site. It's clearly laid out, functions as automatically as possible, is the longest existing digital currency trading website ever, has never been hacked and is by far the first to offer trading in bitcoin (since Dec '09) Nobody else even comes close to that longevity or reliability.

mccorvic, you are just trying to build your post count, and like so many of your "community" have no scruples against spreading malicious and black PR. Shame is on you.

Don't expect me to read any follow-up to this thread. I shun this forum.

You might use this. The offer is a bit better than you are asking and the trade settles automatically.

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That is because you say so?

People must wonder why you would be so keen to jump on this thread and hurl feces. Is it that you have been black listed by WU for accepting stolen credit card payments?

Well, I'll never know for sure what your problem is because I'm not privy to your illogic.

My fraud prevention technique stopped a credit card payment. I'm very clear about refusing all payments not made in cash in person. That is why, after more than 10 years in this trade, I am still able to pick up WU transfers with my own real name.

I think that you can only embarrass yourself further by continuing this.

Just when I dared hope Bitcoin was finally mature enough to use as money, Trade Hill has quit (at least for now).

The idea of a fair "prevailing rate" is now more elusive. It's not fair to compare fully liquid offers to an internal coupon that can't be spent anywhere, digital currency payments limited and delayed by weeks, or  bank wires sent only when it's most advantageous to that small group of market manipulators dominating Gox.

Nanaimo Gold is a full service _exchanger_ not an auction platform with a lame escrow. Rates and fees are clearly described.

The more people who use bitcoin as the money it was intended to be, the less influence the minority will have in playing the market.

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The author of that thread, a carder frustrated by my fraud prevention, was not Bruce Wagner. In fact, Bruce had nothing at all to do with it and never even made a posting on the subject. Anyone can see that if he reads through it.

You know that fully well but still try to mislead the readers of this thread.

Please explain yourself. I find your lies to be as amusing as your motive is obvious.

You know that's not true Gusti. It's disingenious of you to mislead the readers.

Is your motivation explained by your sig line?

Immorality is a slippery slope. You lie here today, what deceipt will you craft tomorrow?

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Anyone can listen to this podcast. At no point am I mentioned. Do you think that people won't notice that you are lying? Do you think you are allowed to just tell the world lies? That nobody is going to call you on it?

You are not truthful. You know who robbed you and how it was done, yet you still want to blame someone else for your own mistakes.

You had no stake in the MBC hack. Your MBC account was pwnd when Gox leaked their password file - weeks before the problem at MBC. You run all over the internet whining when you can't command the support staff to answer your same questions over and over again. You got plonked from the issue tracking system and you just can't let that go. The whole situation was explained to you in private immediately after the Gox fiasco, but like so many other ass clowns in this "community", you have no sense of what is private.

At no point during that podcast was I ever mentioned, but the comments made about people having to learn how to grow up were inspired by yourself. You, personally - the center of attention, just as you like it.

So what's your next move? Go post crap about me to another thread? Your credibility is gone. Even the gamers who share your fantasy world are not listening anymore.

There is no mystery about what happened to MBC. There is nothing for you to discover.

Fuck you too crybaby. If it's ever convenient for me, I'll spank you so hard you won't be able to sit down for a week.

You certainly deserve it.

Another one who spouts off what he would never have the guts to say in person.

Electronic payment systems have been used since electronics were invented. Just because this is new to you does not mean you were first in. I know so many people and have so much insider information about payment systems and the attendent crime because I am an insider, and have been since before many of you were even born, since before the internet was popular, since before the web was even invented.

Deception is like an onion, peel off a layer and look, another layer. I'm nost surprised that those less experienced are more likley to be deceived, but what really does surprise me is the appearant lack of regard to consequence exhibited by members of this "community". Shit you do and say does have repercussions in the real world. Also surprising is the collective aversion to historical lessons. Stuff did happen already. Your denying that does not change reality.

This is not a game. When you shut off your Colecovision console, your actions are not lost. Things you post here remain practically forever. It might take months or years, but all pigeons come home to roost.

You said you wanted answers, well now you have them. I'm not surprised you are dissapointed. Reality is just ordinary, not like the amazing fantasy world contrived to entertain you.

Yes, your MBC account problem is your own fault. Another of your faults is the endless stream of crybaby emanating from your pie hole.

https://encrypted.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=%22Angus+Boyd%22+bitcoin&pbx=1&oq=%22Angus+Boyd%22+bitcoin&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=8346l10302l1l10691l8l8l0l0l0l0l305l1815l0.2.5.1l8l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=3e82efc6cc141df0&biw=1270&bih=852

Another fault you might work on; spewing insults that you would never have the gall to say IRL.

Trade Hill is American. MyBitCoin is American.

Perhaps there is a connection?

Are you not listening? Nobody is going to show you anything until the law is done.

The passwords stopped working because the Mt Gox thieves changed them. The people who foolishly used the same passords for both systems were robbed faster then MBC could stop it. Only those who left an email address could hope for a password reset. For most of them, it was already too late as their holding had already been spent away.

You get something in your head and nothing can dislodge it. I must be a fool for trying to talk sense to you. You personally were actually used as an example of the impossible overhead of support. Note that I did not say customer support, you, like all the others was never a customer. You used a free service and when you got robbed you refused to accept the responsibility. You had bad password habits and you got stung. You can't accept responsibility and are crying for some anarchist's authority to help you lay the blame somewhere else. Suck it up. You fucked up and are the only one to blame.

And before you go lying about your password here, remember that I have all the microlionsec documents.

Hiro said;

"I've known for many, many years"
"philosophical and moral values"
"not any form of scammer"
interested in "liberty and true real money"


He also mentioned Occam's razor.

It seems to me that your assumption that the operator of MBC stole anything is based on nothing and the explaination Williams gave is far simpler than these crazy theories.

Tom Williams said an unknown party hacked the MBC server and made off with the bitcoin. He then gave up on the project and divided up what remained amongst the users.

Wagner's statement that the system stopped sending payments and was still accepting payments in the 24 hrs preceeding the outage has never been corroborated. In fact, it's just plain false. We have all seen spends that have take hours to confirm. Perhaps he misinterpreted while waiting for the network to confirm. For whatever reason he said so, we know it to be a false statement.

As I recall, the operator of MBC continually suggested that people NOT store their coins in the system. The sweep function was designed to make it easy to clear out business receipts as they came in. Also, as I recall, the addition of an email address to a user's account was made optional in response to users' complaints that requiring it was an invasion of privacy. There is no way to reset a password if the user has not left a valid email address. Those people who were unable to reset a forgotton password were those same people who refused to leave an email address. That was always their own choice.

Bruno's statment that MBC was paying Bruce for advertising is also false. In fact, the opposite was true. Bruce was asked repeatedly to stop associating himself with the MBC system because his lurid past was known to the operators since November. They were not keen to have Bruce's filth rub off on them. MBC was never a commercial enterprise, it was an operation without a cash register. To become more busy meant more computer and human resources were spent to maintain it. Frankly, the operators had no incentive to become busier. The advertising sales revenue model proved to be folly when it was discovered that none of the users wanted to advertise. I quit my own paid support of the system when it became appearent to me that it was being used as a clearing house for payments made to a child sex tourism business being run out of NYC.

These actions do not look like part of a plan to scam.

As for the current silence on the part of the operators, Bruce did tell us the the FBI had been in contact with him. I don't believe much of what Bruce says. It's more likely that it was himself that called the police in. Regardless of how the cops got involved, let's assume they are. What would lawyers advice their clients? Silence. What would police threaten to those witnesses who talked? Obstruction of justice charges.

Occam's razor; The simplest answer is probably the correct one. As I see it, MBC got hacked. Williams told the truth about that. He gave up on an unrewarding project and returned what was not stolen. Anarchists seeking authority called the cops. The cops and the lawyers told the MBC principles to shut up.

Simple. Now all we can do is wait until the police are done with this or until the gag order has been lifted. I have seen that take years in some cases.