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Go ahead. It's a free country.
You never hear that one anymore.
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The few days you speak of is actually 45. If the Paypal was purchased with borrowed money, such as with an Amex card, clawbacks can happen up to 180 days later.
I am O.K. with waiting 45 days. As for 180 days, I don't know if this is true, I never heard of it, but if it is, then, well, I can't say I am O.K. with that, but I am still willing to wait that long. Because what choice do I have? The basic rule with Paypal is that you can safely take payments only from spenders you can trust. You can't treat PP payments like cash payments. PP is not money, it is the promise of money.
Listen, I understand what paypal is. But I have no choice. Paypal is the most popular (and I daresay the only popular) payment system. Ordinary people don't know about anything else and don't want to bother for the sake of 10 dollars transfer. And I am speaking about ordinary people. If I would look for clients only within the bitcoin community, then I think I wouldn't have a single client until the Second Coming of Christ. The bitcoin community is still too small, you know. To discuss the risks and the possibility that this might work would require knowing what sort of trade you are doing. If you are settling with anything liquid, anything that can be readily resold, the risk of taking PP from a stranger is very high indeed and therefore needs a very high markup.
I provide a sort of consulting, so it can hardly be readily resold. Also, usually I don't demand prepayment. So, if they want to scam me, they would just refuse to pay.  If you want to deal with an unverified public, you must accept cash only.
How the hell can I do it? Accepting cash only is a VERY big restriction on the number of clients. Maybe you would suggest me to deal only with martians and wait for UFO's landing in front of my house to deal with them? Why would I explain this to a smart ass for free? If I billed you would you be less rude? How do you think people place bets from afar? What do the punters use? They use cash. Green Dot, Paysafe Cards, WebMoney, LR, WU, bank wires, moneygram, money orders, post office transfers etc etc etc All paid for with cash. No promises or borrowed money. If you are charging a low fee for something that a thief can't resell, then perhaps you can trust the spender's Paypal. Do you understand why what you sell is important in deciding if you can trust your customers? From what you describe, I think you might be OK, but you can't expect an exchanger to accept you at your word unless he trusts you. Such is the devil that is soft money. You might get an exchanger to periodically cash you out through his bank account if you were willing to guarantee against chargebacks by leaving a deposit. Maybe you should negotiate the fee rather than just arbitrarily offering "A small percent of money would be your fee". Paypal is not the only popular payment system. Certainly much more money is transferred by wires. by cheques, by WU etc - lots of services are bigger than Paypal. |
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Oh, I thought you said librarian.
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I've recently started a business, and the most of my clients want to pay me via paypal. The problem is, receiving payments via paypal is not available for me, since only the citizens of some selected coutries can receive payments via paypal, and I don't live in one of them. I have already lost two clients who wanted my work but didn't want to bother with Bitcoins or Liberty Reserve or whatever. Insist. Give them a link to mybitcoin.com and to mt Gox. That's not a good idea. Paypal is horrified by privately issued digital currency and even forbid such trades in their ToS. |
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You are asking people to put themselves at risk of fraud and offing only a few percent?
The few days you speak of is actually 45. If the Paypal was purchased with borrowed money, such as with an Amex card, clawbacks can happen up to 180 days later.
The basic rule with Paypal is that you can safely take payments only from spenders you can trust. You can't treat PP payments like cash payments. PP is not money, it is the promise of money.
To discuss the risks and the possibility that this might work would require knowing what sort of trade you are doing. If you are settling with anything liquid, anything that can be readily resold, the risk of taking PP from a stranger is very high indeed and therefore needs a very high markup.
Your offer sounds like a setup to be scammed. If you want to deal with an unverified public, you must accept cash only.
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Paul and narrator Bob Bossin both live in Nanaimo. I have not met Paul but do know Bob personally and can go knock on his door any time.
I suspect these men are put off by promoters of Sodom. We don't ingest phytoestrogens or BPA here.
You know, most people don't care if you are gay, straight or even zoo as long as you close your bedroom door before you fuck.
Wearing your gonads out on your shirtsleeve is bound to put off normal people regardless of your "orientation".
Promotion of perversion is just that, and normal people are repulsed by those who do it.
As far as I can tell, the biggest obstacle to the acceptance of bitcoin is the dirty reputation of our self appointed cheerleader.
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Nanaimo, under what circumstances is it okay for people to initiate aggression against me in your opinion?
Maybe we use 'anarchy' differently, but if your answer is never then that is just semantics.
Assault or property crime is an offense as described by the code of law that distinguishes civilization from savagery. Anarchy is life without rules and is impossible for social creatures. Where I live you can't dig a post hole without finding a murder victim. Life under anarchy is short and brutish to be sure. |
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Oh PUHLEEZE! Stone aged savages existing on the handouts provided by another race. Find something else to be proud of.
Oh please indeed. You shouldn't talk smack about things you know nothing about. You bring this racist shit into almost every post you make. > My mother's tribe has no building codes or official community plan yet maintain a peaceful, quiet coexistence with one another via a strong culture of social norms and family ties. This community is called Taos Pueblo, and is about 1500 years old. No building code or community plan? Try to build something there. You will be told that you don't have permission and your vision is not part of the plan. No code or plan. The place is basically a human zoo exhibit governed by the federal government. But in your twisted mind there is some racial superiority at play. |
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Oh sure. Anarchy is short-sighted and immature.
Consider "Area F" of Nanaimo has no building code or official community plan. They have an asphalt plant in a residential area and a sawmill next door to the elementary school.
I'm thinking of starting a dogfish rendering plant in the mobile home park. Maybe I'll buy the bridge over to that part of town and demand tribute in song from all who want to cross.
Go Anarchists Go! And go more - just keep going - past the sewage treatment plant in the backyard of the seafood restaurant - go go go!
I doubt anyone will want to live in that community. Oh, they do. It's highly coveted land, and many free thinkers live there, but their anarchistic ways are causing problems now. >My mother's tribe has no building codes or official community plan yet maintain a peaceful, quiet coexistence with one another via a strong culture of social norms and family ties. This community is called Taos Pueblo, and is about 1500 years old. Oh PUHLEEZE! Stone aged savages existing on the handouts provided by another race. Find something else to be proud of. That's about the only thing I admire about anarchy - it does not interfere with Darwinism or run counter to the principle of survival of the fittest like the current "pay monkeys to breed" program currently dragging humanity down to the lowest common denominator. |
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However, you could easily solve this problem by villagers owning the bridge outright.
Yes! The thing many people fail to realize when it comes to anarchy, is that the freedom to design your community as you see fit will end up with thousands of different blends of local governance (or no governance,) private property, common property, public property, vice laws, no vice laws, etc. etc., all existing side by side. Anarcho-capitalism doesn't have all the answers, neither does social anarchism. I see many advantages to common ownership (and even public ownership) of certain infrastructure and resources at a hyper-local level. Ancaps may see things differently, and design their communities accordingly. Oh sure. Anarchy is short-sighted and immature. Consider "Area F" of Nanaimo has no building code or official community plan. They have an asphalt plant in a residential area and a sawmill next door to the elementary school. I'm thinking of starting a dogfish rendering plant in the mobile home park. Maybe I'll buy the bridge over to that part of town and demand tribute in song from all who want to cross. Go Anarchists Go! And go more - just keep going - past the sewage treatment plant in the backyard of the seafood restaurant - go go go! |
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I guess his anniversary is tommorow the 9th.
Ha! Seems we have a "madhatter" and a "The Madhatter". Perhaps a fractured personality? Happy anniversary to _both_ of them! Happy anniversary Xunie! Wonder what happened to nandnor? Well happy greets to you too if you are still around. |
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This is a pretty diverse project. I can't help but to be surprised that less than 50% of us are American.
The list is far from complete as only 5 of 45 American countries are listed. And I must disagree with you. It's an extremely specific project. In no way could it be described as diverse. |
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Yeah, good luck with that.
I've always said, the more exchangers the better! The more access to other currencies, both private and evil regime, the better the trade can flow. Readers should not assume that competition exists - at least not yet!
I've got a bit of an issue where some smart guys are making orders, then waiting to see if the price goes up or down before deciding whether or not to honor their pledge. I have been warning them that if their letters are mailed more than a day after the deal was made, I will use price history against post mark to calculate a fresher exchange rate.
Hey, fair is fair.
I see you have implemented the deposit idea like Kitco does on their online metal sales. Let me know what ratio of buyers can chose that option. I thought of doing that too but I assumed that too few buyers would actually have the btc for the deposit. Let me know if I'm wrong.
I see I have to change my pricing structure now too. Since you are charging for the service, I will no longer offer it for free as I have been doing. I will match your fee structure exactly.
Do you intend to start publishing your trade volumes like Mt Gox and btcex do? I have been just manually adding up all the trades at the end of every day. Need to figure out a way to better automate that. Multiple wallets and vectors for the fiat side of the exchange make it a bit of a challenge.
cheers!
Shane
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Hello all, I'm proud to announce that I finally have Bitcoin4Cash trades semi-automated. (A humanoid still has to open the envelopes.  ) You can now book trades here instantly without having to email me each time. Check it out and let me know what you think.  Cheers! The Madhatter Ha! I beat you to it! ;-) |
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Don't you think it would be better to leave the government out of this? After all, they are the enemy and the reason we had to invent Bitcoin in the first place. I used to sell a lot of these; http://lynncoins.com/1gramjohnsonmatthey.jpgThey look nice and were cheap, only ~$3 premium back then. My wife had rings and necklaces made up that were pretty cool. There are lots of other options though. |
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Someone skilled in the jeweler should already begin to make souvenir gold coins with bitcoin logo.
And sell them for bitcoin.
There are three gold coin mints in Nanaimo. It's no big deal to have custom short runs produced. It's not cheap though. Why not Maples? |
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Wasn't somebody on this forum already selling some gold coins for bitcoin, just without the logo ?
Sure, no problem. Maples shipped within Canada or USA. BTC accepted. |
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waiting for BTC/USD to increase...that's some damn expensive coffee Currently 2 LBS for 167 BTC It's no secret how the price is determined. The Mt. Gox BTC bid price * $39 This works out to about $3 above cost for US orders and about $1 loss to Australia, _IF_ I can sell the btc into fiat at the same rate. Due to the volatility of the btc price, I'm always exposed to lose money on this deal. At this rate I'll never earn back the BTC I paid to PrivacyShark to reggy the domain name! I make this offer, not to make money, but to offer up some sort of tangible for sale in the spirit of promoting Bitcoin. |
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