Ok guys. I havent reply the last 2 days becouse this is all bad PR for MP and as i say before i love MP and the Community and dont want to put more Gasoline into the fire so i stop it! There are 2 ways no. You creat a new Thread with all the conversation about the Investigation or you keep spamming this thread, what for new players they search for a page looks really good!!!!! I say as lead dev you should not have a App and not gamble so high you have done at your app. You should know it better the house always win (ahhh wait you are the house  )
If there would be no app a few questions would be gone and never ask!
What difference does it make if I were to wager on my app vs other app owners or any other app for that matter. If you look at my stats, I have net losses just about everywhere on the board. My app was created in a effort to add to the MP portfolio. It was my goal that another app could help increase volume at MP. It is that reason that I even offered partial ownership to the MP team. The app isn't even finished yet. Why? Because I've been 100% focused to the development of API V2. Furthermore, my app will serve as an untitled dice variation for V2. This is my personal feeling about it! It has a bad taste for me! If you think a bit more about it as i wrote down in the quote "The House always win" What would you say if RHaver play at Bab? Yes of course he win he know the "outcomes" becouse he have the last Hash as Dev  this only as a tip. But sorry i dont know you as Dev. You can ask on every chat who i m and you will get a feedback and not only at moneypot. My last comment about all this is, why do the Investigation Team doesnt see this 6dig seed on every bet? It takes me 5sec. to see this! And last as final word, please App owners stop attacking each other! At the situation we/you must stay toghether and not fight against eacht other! MP is a big family. You see the most players on all apps and everybody know each other (the players they are online every day). Edit: I don't work for moneypot so I can't say anything about how the serverseed / raw outcome is generated.
But we just tried running the around 960,000 bets on our app through a script that split the bets into 32 outcome ranges and they are very evenly distributed.
No group varied by more than 1.87% from the mathmatical average which is as expected from a relatively small data set.
Nice that other peoples also check thinks!! THX VegasCasinoBits To be perfectly honest with you I don't really gamble online. I will play on occasion to kill time. If you and others are uncomfortable with me wagering on MoneyPot, I'll forfeit any further activity outside small test wagers which I will do on occasion for QA and app testing. I do not have an issue with this, there are plenty of places to play outside of MoneyPot. I do the best I can to ensure that MoneyPot remains productive. I have done a lot to the infrastructure that may go unnoticed. I want MoneyPot to succeed just as much as you. I completely agree that MP is family. I have expressed that desire before. A lead on one app could easily turn into a lead on another. App owners need to embrace one another and promote the platform together. Even before this investigation, there has been feuds between various app owners. -- |
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Damn it this is quiet funny to read. Just WOW ... But back to something else. I do not have the full conversation of whatever youve been speaking on slack or not. https://i.imgur.com/eOMzqmr.pngWhat I assume when I read this screenshot, is that you was annoyed or in a hurry, because you did not really read what he wrote. Or you answerd it later .... whatever it its, I would want to know what exactly causes the hasherror. As stated and also confirmed by players, it happens even after you just opend the site or refreshed it. With other words, no bets have been done, so no responce from server on that one. What is causing the error then ? JPR, I cant prove its you, but please stop posting under a shill (which you have a history of). There is absolutely no reason to bring something up that has been discussed & explained to you time over again. Doge has already gave you a warning. Enough is enough. Seriously. Stop beating a dead horse! |
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I say as lead dev you should not have a App and not gamble so high you have done at your app. You should know it better the house always win (ahhh wait you are the house )
If there would be no app a few questions would be gone and never ask!
What difference does it make if I were to wager on my app vs other app owners or any other app for that matter. If you look at my stats, I have net losses just about everywhere on the board. My app was created in a effort to add to the MP portfolio. It was my goal that another app could help increase volume at MP. It is that reason that I even offered partial ownership to the MP team. The app isn't even finished yet. Why? Because I've been 100% focused to the development of API V2. Furthermore, my app will serve as an untitled dice variation for V2. |
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Site updates: auto client seed is now a full range as moneypot outcome range
Great news! |
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We are simply trying to cover everything. We have been constantly reviewing the bet logs and are doing our best to check all that we can for the sake of our investors. We are not above asking for help if in the event we missed something. Public log: http://pastebin.com/4cQik4uZ (too big to post in forum) Wtf am i the only guy who ask the question? Why every bet only have a seed that is <1000000??? You remember the shit that was going on with bb And the seed Story! Hold the Coins!!!! All the client seeds are dynamic and random which have been produced by the app itself (bubblebit). They were designed by the app to be 6 digits long. I have suggested earlier in the day to make the length at least 8 digits but still with the ability to be custom set. The seeds don't really affect the user's ability to cheat, but rather limits themselves to being cheated easier (if for some reason Moneypot was acting malicious against them [we are not]). confused how long should those seeds at least be? 6 7 8 9 ? and what is max number for seeds? thx It is my opinion that the random seeds should vary in length with each generation throuought the whole seed range. what is the whole random seeds range in numbers? thx 1 - 4294967296 |
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We are simply trying to cover everything. We have been constantly reviewing the bet logs and are doing our best to check all that we can for the sake of our investors. We are not above asking for help if in the event we missed something. Public log: http://pastebin.com/4cQik4uZ (too big to post in forum) Wtf am i the only guy who ask the question? Why every bet only have a seed that is <1000000??? You remember the shit that was going on with bb And the seed Story! Hold the Coins!!!! All the client seeds are dynamic and random which have been produced by the app itself (bubblebit). They were designed by the app to be 6 digits long. I have suggested earlier in the day to make the length at least 8 digits but still with the ability to be custom set. The seeds don't really affect the user's ability to cheat, but rather limits themselves to being cheated easier (if for some reason Moneypot was acting malicious against them [we are not]). confused how long should those seeds at least be? 6 7 8 9 ? and what is max number for seeds? thx It is my opinion that the random seeds should vary in length with each generation throuought the whole seed range. what is the whole random seeds range in numbers? thx I'll get it for you shortly, I'm mobile |
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We are simply trying to cover everything. We have been constantly reviewing the bet logs and are doing our best to check all that we can for the sake of our investors. We are not above asking for help if in the event we missed something. Public log: http://pastebin.com/4cQik4uZ (too big to post in forum) Wtf am i the only guy who ask the question? Why every bet only have a seed that is <1000000??? You remember the shit that was going on with bb And the seed Story! Hold the Coins!!!! All the client seeds are dynamic and random which have been produced by the app itself (bubblebit). They were designed by the app to be 6 digits long. I have suggested earlier in the day to make the length at least 8 digits but still with the ability to be custom set. The seeds don't really affect the user's ability to cheat, but rather limits themselves to being cheated easier (if for some reason Moneypot was acting malicious against them [we are not]). confused how long should those seeds at least be? 6 7 8 9 ? and what is max number for seeds? thx It is my opinion that the random seeds should vary in length with each generation throuought the whole seed range. |
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I'm not even going to subject myself to these aquisations. I have never once cheated in anyway. I have dedicated just about every ounce of my spare time to the project and have provided the ownership with detailed information about my identity.
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Lol Lead dev they have his own App and Play there with the Same Strategie like Notardy? DONT LET THEM WITHDRAW!!! I m to tired atm to Check all. But this smells more and more fishy to me sorry to say!
So playing 1.5x makes me NotTardy? |
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As a "veteran" Player from the new moneypot for me it becomes harder and harder to think all Is correct what Is going on! I mean a new player come to Moneypot go to the App with biggest possible payout Start playing and hit the mega Jackpot. Maybe this was really luck! There Are guys out they try it since month. But ok this of course can happens. But hit another smaller Jackpot on the Same app Start to race my attation! As i say there Are guys out that want to hit 1 jp since month and have no luck. And than this Bubbles Story! This really remember me about huffelpuff https://youtu.be/uALj-u-BvOcThe first time i Watch this i have say all correct only a Lot luck! But we all Know it better now... Maybe a few will come out and say provably fair, maybe its a inside Job who knows! I would hold the Coins as Long as possible and Check all as much as i can!! You already let Notardy wd a Lot Coins. If he Play legit he can wait! I only say this becouse i like the Concept behind moneypot and like to Play there, Switch from App to App and Dont Need to wait till my Coins are Ready. But it looks like for me the end Is near!!!!! If Investors Profit will go under 100btc You will see what i mean! I want that mp will not die!!!! Love the Place the players there the games! I can ensure you we are doing the best we can to investigate all endpoints. We will keep everyone updated with the situation and any resolution that may come. For those curious, we have been in contact with NotTardy and he has been fully cooperative. Who you are and what do you have to do with the Investigation as a App owner?? I am the lead developer at MoneyPot. |
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Wtf am i the only guy who ask the question? Why every bet only have a seed that is <1000000???
Very interesting. I wonder what causes this? Just eyeballing it, it seems most of his client seeds are oddly low, definitely doesn't look evenly distributed. However, this wouldn't allow him to cheat unless MP was trying to cheat him, and he was exploiting that? (I saw that very thing happen on a shitty site a couple months back, you can find it in my post history). My guess however is just that what ever app he was playing on was not properly coded, and inconsequential to his wins or loses. (But should be fixed ASAP, as it would make the site not provably fair). Generating client seeds is very easy: https://gist.github.com/RHavar/a6511dea4d4c41aeb1ebWe have already looked into this. It appears that the seeds are randomized in that range by the app itself. |
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As a "veteran" Player from the new moneypot for me it becomes harder and harder to think all Is correct what Is going on! I mean a new player come to Moneypot go to the App with biggest possible payout Start playing and hit the mega Jackpot. Maybe this was really luck! There Are guys out they try it since month. But ok this of course can happens. But hit another smaller Jackpot on the Same app Start to race my attation! As i say there Are guys out that want to hit 1 jp since month and have no luck. And than this Bubbles Story! This really remember me about huffelpuff https://youtu.be/uALj-u-BvOcThe first time i Watch this i have say all correct only a Lot luck! But we all Know it better now... Maybe a few will come out and say provably fair, maybe its a inside Job who knows! I would hold the Coins as Long as possible and Check all as much as i can!! You already let Notardy wd a Lot Coins. If he Play legit he can wait! I only say this becouse i like the Concept behind moneypot and like to Play there, Switch from App to App and Dont Need to wait till my Coins are Ready. But it looks like for me the end Is near!!!!! If Investors Profit will go under 100btc You will see what i mean! I want that mp will not die!!!! Love the Place the players there the games! I can ensure you we are doing the best we can to investigate all endpoints. We will keep everyone updated with the situation and any resolution that may come. For those curious, we have been in contact with NotTardy and he has been fully cooperative. |
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Congratulations again to NotTardy who was firing off huge bets for a 45 minute stretch.
For public notice, we will be once again doing a quick investigation into the matter and will be posting a public log of the session soon. If anyone has information that would assist in the investigation, it's highly encouraged to contact us.
Congrats again NotTardy what information are you looking for? JPR its just a normal investigation that we typically conduct for large winners. |
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hello guys,..
i have problem with 2FA..
2FA on moneypot..
how i can recovery that?
Probably depends on what exactly you mean by "recover?" Im using 2FA with Extensions "Authy" on Google Chrome. Yesterday i have problem my Linux.. So im trying uninstall my Linux. And Now, I cant access my Authy.. Already contact support Authy.. Hey, PNDGoo, sending you a pm! THANKS @ranlo.. Problem Solved.. Funnily enough I faced a similar problem today. Going to need to wait for 24 hours to gain access to my Authy again. That means 24 hours without access to my accounts. This is painful! Has your issue been resolved? |
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How is that even possible? I thought MP handled all the payouts with client-side apps, so how can JPR be skimming 20% from the jackpots?
Would be pretty easy in theory. Send the bet to moneypot as attempting to win 90 BTC, but present it to the user as attempting to win a 72 BTC jackpot. If win, use the tip API to send 18 BTC to an account that collects the fee. (No idea if that's what they're doing, however) Actually it's kind of devious. A "smart" casino could make every bet with as minimal house edge as possible, (which would push investors to 3.33x kelly =/) and then use the tip API to send the money to the app. So from the gamblers perspective the house edge would still be 1%, but investors get screwed with negative expected bankroll growth and MP itself would make no commission, but the app would make a significant amount more. Ryan, this is exactly what is happing. For instance, there was a jackpot winner (NotTardy) last week. On moneypot, the win looks like 95BTC and on JPR's site it is 72 BTC. MoneyPot also shows a tip to JackPotRacer for the remaining 23 BTC. 7 BTC of that was rained to the users on his site, but thats still a huge net profit of 16 BTC. |
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Does JPR or any app owner know the outcome before hand. No.
To expand on this a little, app owners are paid win or lose, so they have no benefit in forcing a player to lose, even if they were able to do so. I would also add that a players who busts his whole roll doesn't wager anymore ( therefore no profit for app owner) meanwhile a winnig one will likely keep on betting or will likely come back to the site in the future. So if an app owner would be able to cheat the system he should force his player to win instead imo. In jpr's case he wants someone to win the jackpot as he takes a portion before it's awarded to the player. I believe he uses this for commission |
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@CrazyCraig
Please be so kind and explain to me what exactly happens when I hit the bet button. Especially what role the cookie plays in this process and how it is related to my bet outcome.
Thank you in advance !
Great question! It depends on what API implementation the app owner has decided to implement. Implicit vs Confidential. You can learn more about the two here, but in a nut shell, implicit is when a browser interacts directly with an mp and confidential, when a serverside resource communicates directly with an MP app. When the button is pressed the bet is passed through one of the described channels to MP's server and back to the client / service. Regarding cookies, it depends on the app owners implementation. They could be using them for session storage, authentication etc. MP doesn't explicitly handle cookies. All cookies are managed by the app owner. Thanks for the answer. So bit-exo for example uses confidential through their chatserver and jpr uses the implicit version correct ? But let's get back to the cookie. I could imagine it would be possible to generate a hasherror with an old/false or whatever cookie. But that does not influent the outcome in any way. With other words, it's not possible at all to make someone win or lose with a cookie. Cookies are just to give your browser access to your account and with that the access to interact with the mp api and do bets for example right ? I'm not an expert with that, but thats how I understood it. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Again, it depends on the app owners implementation. But if the app owner is storing hashes in a cookie, yes another session would interrupt this as previously described. Could one win or lose based on this. Yes. As the hash changes, so does the roll. Does JPR or any app owner know the outcome before hand. No. |
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@CrazyCraig
Please be so kind and explain to me what exactly happens when I hit the bet button. Especially what role the cookie plays in this process and how it is related to my bet outcome.
Thank you in advance !
Great question! It depends on what API implementation the app owner has decided to implement. Implicit vs Confidential. You can learn more about the two here, but in a nut shell, implicit is when a browser interacts directly with an mp and confidential, when a serverside resource communicates directly with an MP app. When the button is pressed the bet is passed through one of the described channels to MP's server and back to the client / service. Regarding cookies, it depends on the app owners implementation. They could be using them for session storage, authentication etc. MP doesn't explicitly handle cookies. All cookies are managed by the app owner. |
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we are a MP app and you are MP head dev
did we cheat our customers we this cookie issue? was eric cheated by us and we prevented him to win on our app?
Correct, I am MP's dev. You will have to investigate your own issue. |
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