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[B_UN1T]

The team wagering on the site is something that can be somewhat controlled.  If one person did it (abused their access to the servers), it would be easily recognizable by the other members and they would be forced to forfeit investment and shares in the company.  

I believe Ray was doing it mostly for testing purposes anyways.

Besides that, all of the owners are well into the negatives playing.

How would you controll if one from the Team creat a new account and come in with VPN?

All devs play on there page if its Ray at bab or Shogun at rollin and so on to test thinks of course and i would not say anythink but not like a baby whale!

I picked Ray becouse it was for me the best example and easyest to understand for all. Becouse he have the final hash and what you can do with it i think you know it.

We have always noticed that the seeds were 6 digits long at Bubblesbit.  The 'random' client seeds that change automatically on each new bet of his (unless you set it yourself) were all that length (it has since been changed).

The team wagering on the site is something that can be somewhat controlled.  If one person did it (abused their access to the servers), it would be easily recognizable by the other members and they would be forced to forfeit investment and shares in the company.  

I believe Ray was doing it mostly for testing purposes anyways.

Besides that, all of the owners are well into the negatives playing.

Are you saying that MP owners or app owners?

I think he means MP owners

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[CrazyCraig]

Ok guys. I havent reply the last 2 days becouse this is all bad PR for MP and as i say before i love MP and the Community and dont want to put more Gasoline into the fire so i stop it!

There are 2 ways no. You creat a new Thread with all the conversation about the Investigation or you keep spamming this thread, what for new players they search for a page looks really good!!!!!

I say as lead dev you should not have a App and not gamble so high you have done at your app. You should know it better the house always win (ahhh wait you are the house )
If there would be no app a few questions would be gone and never ask!

What difference does it make if I were to wager on my app vs other app owners or any other app for that matter. If you look at my stats, I have net losses just about everywhere on the board.

My app was created in a effort to add to the MP portfolio. It was my goal that another app could help increase volume at MP. It is that reason that I even offered partial ownership to the MP team.

The app isn't even finished yet. Why? Because I've been 100% focused to the development of API V2. Furthermore, my app will serve as an untitled dice variation for V2.

This is my personal feeling about it! It has a bad taste for me! If you think a bit more about it as i wrote down in the quote "The House always win"
What would you say if RHaver play at Bab? Yes of course he win he know the "outcomes" becouse he have the last Hash as Dev this only as a tip.

But sorry i dont know you as Dev.
You can ask on every chat who i m and you will get a feedback and not only at moneypot.

My last comment about all this is, why do the Investigation Team doesnt see this 6dig seed on every bet?
It takes me 5sec. to see this!


And last as final word, please App owners stop attacking each other! At the situation we/you must stay toghether and not fight against eacht other!
MP is a big family. You see the most players on all apps and everybody know each other (the players they are online every day).


Edit:

I don't work for moneypot so I can't say anything about how the serverseed / raw outcome is generated.
But we just tried running the around 960,000 bets on our app through a script that split the bets into 32 outcome ranges and they are very evenly distributed.
No group varied by more than 1.87% from the mathmatical average which is as expected from a relatively small data set.

Nice that other peoples also check thinks!!

THX VegasCasinoBits

To be perfectly honest with you I don't really gamble online. I will play on occasion to kill time. If you and others are uncomfortable with me wagering on MoneyPot, I'll forfeit any further activity outside small test wagers which I will do on occasion for QA and app testing. I do not have an issue with this, there are plenty of places to play outside of MoneyPot.

I do the best I can to ensure that MoneyPot remains productive. I have done a lot to the infrastructure that may go unnoticed. I want MoneyPot to succeed just as much as you.

I completely agree that MP is family. I have expressed that desire before. A lead on one app could easily turn into a lead on another. App owners need to embrace one another and promote the platform together. Even before this investigation, there has been feuds between various app owners.

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[B_UN1T]

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Lets stop this now i have already say sorry that i dont know who you are but now i know better!
And i also say it have a bad teste for ME this is all. If you win or lose I do not care i m no investor no app owner only a player.

And as i say a few times now, i only had post thinks becouse i love MP and want to help you!

This hole investigation now takes time you need to finish V2! This is something that need to be out as soon as possible! Maybe you read it about betking?


AND AGAIN!!! Stop all this conversation on the main MP THREAD please!! This thread must be for PR. But if you check the last 50 pages most of the time its drama

EDIT:
Be happy that i name a few thinks and bring the attention from outside that was maybe needed. Yes of course there will be now questions over questions but if all is correct, the hole community will trust MP after that!

[CrazyCraig]

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Lets stop this now i have already say sorry that i dont know who you are but now i know better!
And i also say it have a bad teste for ME this is all. If you win or lose I do not care i m no investor no app owner only a player.

And as i say a few times now, i only had post thinks becouse i love MP and want to help you!

This hole investigation now takes time you need to finish V2! This is somethink that need to be out as soon as possible! Maybe you read it about betking?


AND AGAIN!!! Stop all this conversation on the main MP THREAD please!! This thread must be for PR. But if you check the last 50 pages most of the time its drama

We are both on the same page. Onwards!!

[B_UN1T]

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Lets stop this now i have already say sorry that i dont know who you are but now i know better!
And i also say it have a bad teste for ME this is all. If you win or lose I do not care i m no investor no app owner only a player.

And as i say a few times now, i only had post thinks becouse i love MP and want to help you!

This hole investigation now takes time you need to finish V2! This is somethink that need to be out as soon as possible! Maybe you read it about betking?


AND AGAIN!!! Stop all this conversation on the main MP THREAD please!! This thread must be for PR. But if you check the last 50 pages most of the time its drama

We are both on the same page. Onwards!!

Where is the like button 

[Lanzador]

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Lets stop this now i have already say sorry that i dont know who you are but now i know better!
And i also say it have a bad teste for ME this is all. If you win or lose I do not care i m no investor no app owner only a player.

And as i say a few times now, i only had post thinks becouse i love MP and want to help you!

This hole investigation now takes time you need to finish V2! This is somethink that need to be out as soon as possible! Maybe you read it about betking?


AND AGAIN!!! Stop all this conversation on the main MP THREAD please!! This thread must be for PR. But if you check the last 50 pages most of the time its drama

We are both on the same page. Onwards!!

Where is the like button 

Well, now that we're all friends again - was there any closure on the investigation?

[3x1t]

I don't work for moneypot so I can't say anything about how the serverseed / raw outcome is generated.
But we just tried running the around 960,000 bets on our app through a script that split the bets into 32 outcome ranges and they are very evenly distributed.
No group varied by more than 1.87% from the mathmatical average which is as expected from a relatively small data set.

Script result:
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0 - 134217727: 30058 ~ diff: -0.05%
134217728 - 268435455: 30044 ~ diff: -0.09%
268435456 - 402653183: 29522 ~ diff: -1.83%
402653184 - 536870911: 29774 ~ diff: -0.99%
536870912 - 671088639: 30154 ~ diff: 0.27%
671088640 - 805306367: 30123 ~ diff: 0.17%
805306368 - 939524095: 30170 ~ diff: 0.33%
939524096 - 1073741823: 30325 ~ diff: 0.84%
1073741824 - 1207959551: 30224 ~ diff: 0.51%
1207959552 - 1342177279: 30242 ~ diff: 0.57%
1342177280 - 1476395007: 29974 ~ diff: -0.33%
1476395008 - 1610612735: 30362 ~ diff: 0.96%
1610612736 - 1744830463: 29945 ~ diff: -0.42%
1744830464 - 1879048191: 29989 ~ diff: -0.28%
1879048192 - 2013265919: 29713 ~ diff: -1.19%
2013265920 - 2147483647: 30209 ~ diff: 0.46%
2147483648 - 2281701375: 29710 ~ diff: -1.20%
2281701376 - 2415919103: 29814 ~ diff: -0.86%
2415919104 - 2550136831: 29890 ~ diff: -0.61%
2550136832 - 2684354559: 30105 ~ diff: 0.11%
2684354560 - 2818572287: 30226 ~ diff: 0.51%
2818572288 - 2952790015: 29983 ~ diff: -0.30%
2952790016 - 3087007743: 30055 ~ diff: -0.06%
3087007744 - 3221225471: 30321 ~ diff: 0.83%
3221225472 - 3355443199: 30116 ~ diff: 0.15%
3355443200 - 3489660927: 30264 ~ diff: 0.64%
3489660928 - 3623878655: 29791 ~ diff: -0.93%
3623878656 - 3758096383: 30118 ~ diff: 0.15%
3758096384 - 3892314111: 30455 ~ diff: 1.27%
3892314112 - 4026531839: 29983 ~ diff: -0.30%
4026531840 - 4160749567: 30306 ~ diff: 0.78%
4160749568 - 4294967295: 30353 ~ diff: 0.93%
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High: 1.27% / Low: -1.83%

I have a table with about 13m bets and I know that the outcomes are pretty evenly distributed. That's not the reason why I am asking tho.
I asked because 1. it's always interesting for me to hear how something works and where it fails.
And more importantly 2. I'm trying to find a point where someone could abuse/exploit something.

But if mp thinks that others have no right to know how something works and/or do not want others to help (even if unasked) then this is fine as well.
Just imo it would be fair if the gamblers would have the chance to understand how the house creates their seeds as well, well knowing most wont care at all.

At the end I thought the more people would know about something, the more likely it would be that one of them has an idea where to find a weak point.
But telling I would be a shillaccount of JPR is pretty much nonsense and not answering at all shows either desinterest or being unable to answer ?
Don't get me wrong, my intention isnt to offend anybody here, neither to sort MPinterna between appowners and dev/mpowners.

[3x1t]

Ok guys. I havent reply the last 2 days becouse this is all bad PR for MP and as i say before i love MP and the Community and dont want to put more Gasoline into the fire so i stop it!

There are 2 ways no. You creat a new Thread with all the conversation about the Investigation or you keep spamming this thread, what for new players they search for a page looks really good!!!!!

I say as lead dev you should not have a App and not gamble so high you have done at your app. You should know it better the house always win (ahhh wait you are the house )
If there would be no app a few questions would be gone and never ask!

What difference does it make if I were to wager on my app vs other app owners or any other app for that matter. If you look at my stats, I have net losses just about everywhere on the board.

My app was created in a effort to add to the MP portfolio. It was my goal that another app could help increase volume at MP. It is that reason that I even offered partial ownership to the MP team.

The app isn't even finished yet. Why? Because I've been 100% focused to the development of API V2. Furthermore, my app will serve as an untitled dice variation for V2.

This is my personal feeling about it! It has a bad taste for me! If you think a bit more about it as i wrote down in the quote "The House always win"
What would you say if RHaver play at Bab? Yes of course he win he know the "outcomes" becouse he have the last Hash as Dev this only as a tip.

But sorry i dont know you as Dev.
You can ask on every chat who i m and you will get a feedback and not only at moneypot.

My last comment about all this is, why do the Investigation Team doesnt see this 6dig seed on every bet?
It takes me 5sec. to see this!


And last as final word, please App owners stop attacking each other! At the situation we/you must stay toghether and not fight against eacht other!
MP is a big family. You see the most players on all apps and everybody know each other (the players they are online every day).


Edit:

I don't work for moneypot so I can't say anything about how the serverseed / raw outcome is generated.
But we just tried running the around 960,000 bets on our app through a script that split the bets into 32 outcome ranges and they are very evenly distributed.
No group varied by more than 1.87% from the mathmatical average which is as expected from a relatively small data set.

Nice that other peoples also check thinks!!

THX VegasCasinoBits

To be perfectly honest with you I don't really gamble online. I will play on occasion to kill time. If you and others are uncomfortable with me wagering on MoneyPot, I'll forfeit any further activity outside small test wagers which I will do on occasion for QA and app testing. I do not have an issue with this, there are plenty of places to play outside of MoneyPot.

I do the best I can to ensure that MoneyPot remains productive. I have done a lot to the infrastructure that may go unnoticed. I want MoneyPot to succeed just as much as you.

I completely agree that MP is family. I have expressed that desire before. A lead on one app could easily turn into a lead on another. App owners need to embrace one another and promote the platform together. Even before this investigation, there has been feuds between various app owners.

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The question is would you invest on a site, where you see the dev playing, well knowing that he could always take some coins from you and you would have no way to prove it ?
It's one thing to know about the possibility, but another to see it happening.

Trust is the most highly valued good you can offer, so you should do everything to keep it as high/good as possible.

Besides that, I dont see a reason why you shouldnd be allowed to have your own app.
Maybe if you would show only your app as featured or something in that direction, it would be another story.

[ranlo]

Ok guys. I havent reply the last 2 days becouse this is all bad PR for MP and as i say before i love MP and the Community and dont want to put more Gasoline into the fire so i stop it!

There are 2 ways no. You creat a new Thread with all the conversation about the Investigation or you keep spamming this thread, what for new players they search for a page looks really good!!!!!

I say as lead dev you should not have a App and not gamble so high you have done at your app. You should know it better the house always win (ahhh wait you are the house )
If there would be no app a few questions would be gone and never ask!

What difference does it make if I were to wager on my app vs other app owners or any other app for that matter. If you look at my stats, I have net losses just about everywhere on the board.

My app was created in a effort to add to the MP portfolio. It was my goal that another app could help increase volume at MP. It is that reason that I even offered partial ownership to the MP team.

The app isn't even finished yet. Why? Because I've been 100% focused to the development of API V2. Furthermore, my app will serve as an untitled dice variation for V2.

This is my personal feeling about it! It has a bad taste for me! If you think a bit more about it as i wrote down in the quote "The House always win"
What would you say if RHaver play at Bab? Yes of course he win he know the "outcomes" becouse he have the last Hash as Dev this only as a tip.

But sorry i dont know you as Dev.
You can ask on every chat who i m and you will get a feedback and not only at moneypot.

My last comment about all this is, why do the Investigation Team doesnt see this 6dig seed on every bet?
It takes me 5sec. to see this!


And last as final word, please App owners stop attacking each other! At the situation we/you must stay toghether and not fight against eacht other!
MP is a big family. You see the most players on all apps and everybody know each other (the players they are online every day).


Edit:

I don't work for moneypot so I can't say anything about how the serverseed / raw outcome is generated.
But we just tried running the around 960,000 bets on our app through a script that split the bets into 32 outcome ranges and they are very evenly distributed.
No group varied by more than 1.87% from the mathmatical average which is as expected from a relatively small data set.

Nice that other peoples also check thinks!!

THX VegasCasinoBits

To be perfectly honest with you I don't really gamble online. I will play on occasion to kill time. If you and others are uncomfortable with me wagering on MoneyPot, I'll forfeit any further activity outside small test wagers which I will do on occasion for QA and app testing. I do not have an issue with this, there are plenty of places to play outside of MoneyPot.

I do the best I can to ensure that MoneyPot remains productive. I have done a lot to the infrastructure that may go unnoticed. I want MoneyPot to succeed just as much as you.

I completely agree that MP is family. I have expressed that desire before. A lead on one app could easily turn into a lead on another. App owners need to embrace one another and promote the platform together. Even before this investigation, there has been feuds between various app owners.

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The question is would you invest on a site, where you see the dev playing, well knowing that he could always take some coins from you and you would have no way to prove it ?
It's one thing to know about the possibility, but another to see it happening.

Trust is the most highly valued good you can offer, so you should do everything to keep it as high/good as possible.

Besides that, I dont see a reason why you shouldnd be allowed to have your own app.
Maybe if you would show only your app as featured or something in that direction, it would be another story.

On that same line of thinking, the bankroll could also be manually decreased and you would have no proof, either. You either trust site owners or you don't. And this goes for every betting site.

[AcoinL.L.C]

To answer the question regarding the investigation, NotTardy's wins appear to be legitimate. Just a rough month between NotTardy, Molloype and others hitting it big, but such is variance.

[WEBcreator]

Atleast they are honest that they play on MP and use the same alias. Would you guys rather that they hide it from you guys that they were playing on the site? I do know some other crowdfunded site's operator does that

[RHavar]

What would you say if RHaver play at Bab? Yes of course he win he know the "outcomes" becouse he have the last Hash as Dev this only as a tip.

The reason I don't play at BaB is not because I can look up the outcomes, it's because I'm 100% of the bankroll. That means no matter how much I lose or win, I will lose or win exactly 0. This would serve no purpose other than to inflate stats (and mess with the bonus pool), so I consider it improper.


However, in MP's position I don't see anything wrong with them gambling on the site, as the wins and loses would be real and serve more than stats-inflation purposes.  The truth is, if they were going to cheat they would just cheat (and use different accounts).

I actually remember once on JD dooglus gambling, but (my memory might be wrong on this) to reassure investors he told everyone exactly how he's going to gamble (a bet low, martingale sequence until he got to X or busted Y?) and got users to call out the digits in chat he would use as his client seed. (or something like that). It's not the most robust way to do it, but I don't recall anyone had any issues with it.

[3x1t]

Atleast they are honest that they play on MP and use the same alias. Would you guys rather that they hide it from you guys that they were playing on the site? I do know some other crowdfunded site's operator does that

Thats true, even tho nobody knows if they have more accounts where they are up.
But the first barrier is broken, because everyone can see they play so the idea they could have other accounts is coming closer.

But after all this is not my problem/biz, so I'm fine with if you guys see and or handle that different.
I'd still like to know how the seeds/salts are generated. In case you need some time to consider/answer that, or maybe want to tell that private that would be fine as well.

[CrazyCraig]

Atleast they are honest that they play on MP and use the same alias. Would you guys rather that they hide it from you guys that they were playing on the site? I do know some other crowdfunded site's operator does that

Thats true, even tho nobody knows if they have more accounts where they are up.
But the first barrier is broken, because everyone can see they play so the idea they could have other accounts is coming closer.

But after all this is not my problem/biz, so I'm fine with if you guys see and or handle that different.
I'd still like to know how the seeds/salts are generated. In case you need some time to consider/answer that, or maybe want to tell that private that would be fine as well.

This has been explained to you, JPR, no less than 100 times the last week through various outlets (including this thread) by numerous people. I may sound rude, but re-read the last 100 pages of this thread. Im sure its in there.

Edit: For those not JPR:

The server seed is pseudo randomly generated between 2^32 and is stored / accessed as a hash via the api and db.

The bet output is the result of (server seed ~ client seed).

[3x1t]

Atleast they are honest that they play on MP and use the same alias. Would you guys rather that they hide it from you guys that they were playing on the site? I do know some other crowdfunded site's operator does that

Thats true, even tho nobody knows if they have more accounts where they are up.
But the first barrier is broken, because everyone can see they play so the idea they could have other accounts is coming closer.

But after all this is not my problem/biz, so I'm fine with if you guys see and or handle that different.
I'd still like to know how the seeds/salts are generated. In case you need some time to consider/answer that, or maybe want to tell that private that would be fine as well.

This has been explained to you, JPR, no less than 100 times the last week through various outlets (including this thread) by numerous people. I may sound rude, but re-read the last 100 pages of this thread. Im sure its in there.

Are you stoned or something ? I'm not JPR, get that into your head.
But I see now what kind of guy your are. So in case nottardy was cheating, it most likely is you.

When uni left mp, I said the new dev is a scammer until opposite is proven.
Thanks for making me remember that.
I just hope mpowners are smart enough to ask themself if they trust and know you good enough, to give you full access to all their, as well as Investor and Userfunds.

Besides that, you might have no clue about customer service and how to speak to them. But then it would be probably be smarter if you let others speak for you.

[3x1t]

Read my quote, which actually shows the answer he gave me before he edited it.
Btw. he didnt answer my questions at all. It doesnt even make sense what he said...

I already said that when dexon linked the mpsite where it is explained.
This doesnt say what PRNG you are using.

Besides that I was mainly asking this to get my own picture if there was something malicious or not, because you clearly seemed to have problems doing that.

Well I hope for you in few months you wont regret to not have listend to me.
There have been sites scammed by their devs before, and it wasnt made public because the owners was too ashamed of trusting some dev they dont even know.

He's proving once again, that he doesnt even read what people tell/ask him.
Not sure if he's simply too arrogant or just not able to do so.

[CrazyCraig]

Read my quote, which actually shows the answer he gave me before he edited it.
Btw. he didnt answer my questions at all. It doesnt even make sense what he said...

I already said that when dexon linked the mpsite where it is explained.
This doesnt say what PRNG you are using.

Besides that I was mainly asking this to get my own picture if there was something malicious or not, because you clearly seemed to have problems doing that.

Well I hope for you in few months you wont regret to not have listend to me.
There have been sites scammed by their devs before, and it wasnt made public because the owners was too ashamed of trusting some dev they dont even know.

He's proving once again, that he doesnt even read what people tell/ask him.
Not sure if he's simply too arrogant or just not able to do so.

Regardless if your JPR not, I do apologize for coming off brash. Over the past few days I've been attacked and accused of being NotTardy. I have answered every question with complete transparency. I am not cheating MoneyPot in anyway.

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Both the client seed are sever seed share the same range, (2^32). The output is the result of the client seed and sever seed modulus of each other.

A server seed is generated after every wager and directly returned in a hash form to the API. The server seed is stored in the db with its hashed value and salt so that we can ensure seed integrity.

I wish I could offer up the exact logic that we use, but I wish to keep that private in the event of any security holes. I will say the seed is randomly generated in the full range with a PRNG.

It is my goal for MP to do good. If it were to, I would make more in the long run than a few bitcoins here and there. Cheaters  eventually get caught, and with all the scrutiny with bitcoin and the government, it's not worth it to me. As Dodge has explained I work as a team lead in a very large company. I would never put my security clearance at risk.

[3x1t]

Nice to see you are not learning resistant. I apologize for my wild accusations which was my answer on yours

Ok then I wish you good luck investigating, I highly recommend you to ask dooglus to take a quick look at it.
That saves you a lot of time and you can be sure that there's most likely nothing to be found.

Even tho it's a bit unfair to not tell your algo, while you can see which one the users use or not use.
I think other sites have written in their faq how the serverseed is chosen/generated. But I'm not going to ask again and again about something that doesnt hurt me at all, but takes a lot of my time.

Anyways thanks for clearing that up doge and good luck with your project.

[Sora Aoi]

Hi MoneyPot,

I am one of your biggest investors.

You haven't replied to my recent e-mails. Is your e-mail support working alright at the moment? Please e-mail me back ASAP.

Thank you.

[B_UN1T]

Hey guys lets talk about somethink different for the moment.

The yolo dice App promote a promotion on there chat.
https://www.moneypot.com/apps/689-yolo

http://imgur.com/a/AmXGa

They dont have a own thread here so i come to the MP thread and ask.

I only want to be sure admins pay me the price if i get the 100btc wagerd at there app.