I miss the doc's mega thread. it was a convenient catch-all without most of the wall observer micro-minds. So where to lurk now  just be thankful you have been unplugged from a matrix of FUD and disinformation ... |
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Theymos has too much power to control discussion by himself, for someone that supposedly supports bitcoin, he sure likes centralization...
You should start your own forum to stop all this terrible forum centralisation. |
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Their data-mining revenue per scalp must have increased, or been assessed more 'valuable'  For every user they stick their probe up "for their own protection" (AML/KYC) they harvest an incredible amount of information that is like gold to the data vultures ... probably sell it straight out the back door to the spooks. Either they think BTC is overvalued by a factor of four and are cashing out. I have accounts at circle.com and CB and I much prefer Circle. I get my money and coins faster. Also, that CB pump and dump when they rolled out their exchange was totally unprofessional. They are just trying to attract more customers while at the same time rewarding customers they already have in order to gain loyalty. They expect to gain more in fees than they do giving out free bonuses in the long run. This also attracts more people to Bitcoin in general and helps motivate people to spread the word which also helps CB. Not everything is a scam people. This is just marketing. I'm amazed at the lack of understanding of this and how you people read into this in such twisted ways. It's not a lack of understanding, rather you are being naive. Hey, when you've been screwed by the gubmints and corporations every way since sunday and sold down the river for your personal financial intel ... well, yes "everything is a damn scam people". A little cynicism is healthy after all, these guys are in it for profit and gubmint wants to control your life, no conspiracy necessary. If your product satisfies a need you hardly need the 'marketing' BS layer. |
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Their data-mining revenue per scalp must have increased, or been assessed more 'valuable' For every user they stick their probe up "for their own protection" (AML/KYC) they harvest an incredible amount of information that is like gold to the data vultures ... probably sell it straight out the back door to the spooks. |
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unfortunately did not get the chance to mingle with him. can you confirm this would be the same one that used to hang here? the writing style would seem to indicate that ... and the generally lulzy tone of shitco.in  |
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OK this really looks serious. Gavin and Mike are starting the first real attack against Bitcoin and all that it stands for.
Stop XT!
actually this could be a good test to see how strong bitcoin is, if we can sustain this giant problem caused by two influent guy, then we are done, bitcoin will prove that can defeat anything even internal disputes all those problems will make bitcoin stronger yes, if bitcoin can repulse the Hearn-Andresen XT PanoptiCoin FUD panic and forking social attack we'll be in good shape for the next leg up (and hopefully well shod of those two little ratbags) |
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We are going down from 280$ to 220$ in less than 10 days because two shills want to prove their might by forking bitcoin?
The answer from community is clear now, Gavin & Mike ?
I think Gavin & Mike are quite content seeing that the uptake of XT among nodes passed 13% in just 4 days, and that two blocks have already been mined with it. That's a clear answer from the community so far. yeah, the answer from the "community" has so far mostly been FO! with your fud |
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Yes i do insult other members when its clearly their agenda is to spread BS and attack opposite sides. They werent here to see everything. To me ditching and trashing Gavin because of some conspiracy is a disgrace of this community.
ummm , I think he's disgraced himself by his actions. When the puppy pees on the rug he needs to be put outside and think about what he has done before he can rejoin the circle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHJGoZpFeM8 |
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The urgency isn't even in block size or scalability. The urgency is in fixing the goddamn decision-making process among the core devs. You think Hearn was wrong about that?
From an objective standpoint, looking at Hearn's contributions as a whole (the database change that caused the first fork, the redlisting coins proposal, and XT in particular) I think one could come to the logical conclusion that Hearn has been compromised by the NSA or some other three letter agency, likely recruited while he was still with Google. You're not answering my question. Has the decision making process broken down or not? Has their even been a joint statement among the core devs regarding this controversy been issued? No, of course not. It's fucking embarrassing. Give us a time frame on when the block size patch will be implemented. something. The beauty of Bitcoin is that we don't have to trust Hearn or Gavin or anybody. We trust the code. We trust a valid argument, no matter who makes it. Core devs need to get their shit together toot sweet. If it takes a hard fork to make that happen, so be it. they're all getting together for a talk-fest, kumbay-aaah session and maybe a group hug at the end before satisfying your demands for releasing a joint statement ... and then they'll delay some more and have another talk-fest in Hong Kong in December ... no panic, no rush, just some measured think-sessions by the thought leaders. |
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The economies of scale generally relate to power rates, and housing. Why not quality of network connectivity? Well, because of full node distribution, which may very well fall in the case of a precipitous blocksize increase. Seems like he's barking up the wrong tree in focusing on mining vs full node decentralization?
You can run a node for next to nothing!! Hell I could do it myself on a $400 desktop PC and an extra $20/month in to increase my bandwidth. This extra cost is trivial. Yes, some will shut down at the margins, but many more will start up as adoption increases. How low does the node/wallet ratio have to drop before it becomes a problem? a factor of ten or greater. A worry about a marginal decrease is simple fearmongering. You're again making the perfect the enemy of the good. Grow the fuck up. It's like doctors at at operating table arguing about what pattern of sutures they're going to stitch the patient up with. Meanwhile, the patient is losing blood. Scale or die. stop with the FUD and sloganeering ... bitcoin can scale just fine without the induced faux panic and manufactured fork missile crises circus (as much fun as the drama is). |
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ummm, merely an attempted coup at this stage ... and pretty pathetically transparent power grab dressed up as "helping all the things". |
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Why does Hearn want to cram huge controversial poison-pill commits into XT along with the popular blocksize commit of Gavin's is the real question.
It's like those politicians cramming all the surveillance shit in the "Schumer Bill For The Protection of Widows Orphans and Kiddies."
Again point to it. It is impossible to show that something doesn't exist since there is nowhere to point to that shows that. But if you show me where you think it is I can show you why you are wrong... To this point none did that. He has at least 3 major commits in XT that have been refused from Core that have nothing to do with blocksize. I don't even need to point to any of them because this is well known. |
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It's disturbing how Gavin is not posting to the community at all, he's doing all this in silence.
He probably can't even look his own image in the mirror straight in the eyes... All this would not have been possible if he would have had to defend his proposal in front of community in direct conversation. Honestly, I've had a mild feeling for some time that Gavin just wants out, and even has perhaps tried to subtly warn people about this stuff. I don't get the sense that he is anywhere near the driver's seat. I'm inclined to wonder if he is more like a guy bound up and stuffed into the trunk. Interesting take on it. Maybe lobbing that code into Hearn's repo was like Gavin's warrant canary ? I mean who could possibly think he would do such a thing without being compromised? Ergo he's compromised and it is his way of telling us without breaking the law. |
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Why does Hearn want to cram huge controversial poison-pill commits into XT along with the popular blocksize commit of Gavin's is the real question.
It's like those politicians cramming all the surveillance shit in the "Schumer Bill For The Protection of Widows Orphans and Kiddies."
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Wha Happened....to the original thread?
theymos via BadBear locked the thread purportedly for being "off topic". really it was b/c we were talking about XT. note how this thread is similarly off topic in that no one talks about gold for the most part. it's all about pushing the Core agenda and the mods don't have any problem with that. Le Bron James got benched? ... or an ungracious retirement, the butthurt rage quit is about all that's left from this trick pony methinks. |
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many don't understand that the new code in XT will be active only if 75% of the network actually runs it
And many don't understand that the 75% is not of the network but of the mining pools. And this can be easily manipulated! Anyway, XT altcoin fork is dead now. Block size debate was just a cover up now revealing hidden agenda to introduce among bitcoin users the XT client that is simply an IP logger and blacklist aggregator! Well, I said this few years ago, Bitcoin is not BitTorrent, bitcoin is a financial instrument and will be heavily regulated, you can try to fight it now, but whether you like it or not, these things will eventually happen... or Bitcoin transactions will be deemed illegal and businesses will be forbidden from using it, and there the mass adoption dream vanishes in front of your eyes. just another clueless shill for tyranny. |
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Are NSA XT altcoin supporters happy now? Not yet? Crash was not so big as expected?
now that the covert surveillance agenda of XT has been laid bare, heck shall we just go ahead and call it espionage in the probability that these guys actually work for lawful governments? Maybe LE enticing people to run spyware is entrapment even if it is open source? Is this really all that makes sense to you? Getting really boring reading accumulated delusions, of peeps who have lost their way. So fuckin what, that they might work for govs. So fuckin what? pretty sure they are not allowed to push spyware that intentionally allows interception of end-to-end communications between private parties ... even if they think they are above the law https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0 |
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Are NSA XT altcoin supporters happy now? Not yet? Crash was not so big as expected?
now that the covert surveillance agenda of XT has been laid bare, heck shall we just go ahead and call it espionage in the probability that these guys actually work for lawful governments? Maybe LE enticing people to run spyware is entrapment even if it is open source? |
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